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Shoddybattle statistics provide both weighted and unweighted usages of Pokemon. Since the weighted usage of a Pokemon is simply the sum of the ladder rankings of the players using it at that time, then we can calculate the average player ladder ranking for each Pokemon as follows:
Average Player Ladder Ranking = Weighted Usage / Unweighted Usage This can tell us which Pokemon are used by the best players. I decided to do this for the top 250 Pokemon in the weighted list. I then found the average and standard deviation ranking for these 250 Pokemon. Those Pokemon that are above the mean+standard deviation were then considered to be used by 'expert' players. Those Pokemon that are below the mean-standard deviation were considered to be used by 'novice' players. All the others (being within one standard deviation from the mean) were deemed to be used by 'normal' players. Here are, then, the Pokemon used by the 'expert' players, and their ranking in May's weighted list: Code:
# Pokemon Average Player Rating -------------------------------------- 46 Wobbuffet 1357.195234 13 Celebi 1354.885924 20 Zapdos 1332.453283 69 Mesprit 1330.872288 8 Heatran 1327.69591 43 Roserade 1324.902768 68 Shaymin 1318.228349 26 Suicune 1310.31188 5 Tyranitar 1309.461581 25 Magnezone 1307.620508 37 Deoxys-S 1306.65134 6 Bronzong 1299.188471 19 Heracross 1299.035911 22 Azelf 1293.356838 1 Garchomp 1293.01291 28 Jirachi 1291.013242 14 Gliscor 1290.837871 4 Gyarados 1290.809299 85 Walrein 1288.95022 41 Mamoswine 1285.562532 12 Starmie 1276.957552 23 Cresselia 1276.578109 36 Tentacruel 1273.46372 11 Metagross 1272.099143 86 Moltres 1269.505804 27 Machamp 1267.65269 49 Abomasnow 1265.015125 154 Skuntank 1264.743676 67 Uxie 1264.036991 34 Hippowdon 1263.70761 7 Lucario 1263.495902 42 Dugtrio 1263.395664 21 Vaporeon 1262.825089 48 Spiritomb 1258.000472 2 Gengar 1257.158098 10 Salamence 1253.657336 3 Blissey 1253.070887 15 Swampert 1252.995923 139 Nidoqueen 1251.542515 29 Breloom 1248.96794 16 Skarmory 1248.575719 18 Forretress 1248.102821 Code:
# Pokemon Average Player Rating -------------------------------------- 81 Porygon2 1242.6028 35 Scizor 1241.728662 96 Jumpluff 1241.412674 54 Mismagius 1239.275428 9 Infernape 1239.006717 61 Slowbro 1232.74 24 Togekiss 1231.975919 78 Raikou 1230.705657 33 Yanmega 1230.54624 53 Empoleon 1230.094602 106 Kabutops 1228.758886 32 Snorlax 1225.524651 121 Regirock 1222.068589 39 Milotic 1220.202825 238 Phanpy 1217.5 17 Weavile 1214.784937 74 Hitmontop 1213.858407 51 Kingdra 1213.728823 70 Staraptor 1212.975024 120 Gastrodon 1212.836672 38 Jolteon 1211.941711 102 Rotom 1211.731164 141 Torkoal 1210.938895 103 Registeel 1210.841805 45 Donphan 1210.682514 57 Weezing 1208.719339 72 Cradily 1206.512776 93 Hariyama 1204.686803 142 Linoone 1203.860382 65 Steelix 1203.782772 50 Gallade 1203.663296 104 Miltank 1203.607184 58 Froslass 1202.443403 245 Tangela 1200.827586 111 Lanturn 1199.774319 92 Azumarill 1198.445727 63 Smeargle 1197.380235 125 Electrode 1197.096718 94 Cloyster 1197.094995 30 Dusknoir 1196.824439 62 Tangrowth 1196.661039 76 Shuckle 1195.713312 130 Poliwrath 1195.628024 210 Ditto 1192.482014 144 Omastar 1192.179707 140 Tauros 1188.171982 59 Crobat 1185.166705 84 Medicham 1184.204279 126 Slaking 1183.775439 175 Dodrio 1182.819588 87 Regice 1182.719549 88 Claydol 1180.979618 79 Floatzel 1180.14428 95 Honchkrow 1179.824666 171 Camerupt 1179.388753 44 Dragonite 1178.413881 129 Qwilfish 1177.133136 77 Drapion 1176.616187 100 Ursaring 1175.091714 162 Butterfree 1174.003552 199 Stantler 1172.043478 134 Venomoth 1171.84839 60 Rhyperior 1171.574608 98 Toxicroak 1171.148014 64 Sceptile 1170.484907 161 Probopass 1169.687609 82 Clefable 1169.234206 178 Lunatone 1167.735376 128 Cacturne 1164 146 Lopunny 1161.961741 105 Glaceon 1161.129588 132 Jynx 1159.761523 97 Lapras 1159.489806 75 Ludicolo 1158.325389 169 Vileplume 1158.244541 143 Exeggutor 1157.132319 170 Regigigas 1156.894737 123 Shedinja 1156.750567 133 Hitmonlee 1156.623872 168 Kecleon 1156.138593 118 Persian 1152.194703 209 Purugly 1150.609589 83 Gardevoir 1150.272934 40 Ninjask 1149.684258 229 Magcargo 1148.918367 127 Banette 1148.673874 147 Kangaskhan 1148.369935 190 Sableye 1147.313725 117 Drifblim 1146.327182 73 Ambipom 1145.680093 47 Porygon-Z 1143.738164 196 Yanma 1142.876238 206 Exploud 1142.037037 148 Articuno 1140.745124 66 Aerodactyl 1140.279823 116 Nidoking 1139.445286 89 Flygon 1139.444258 241 Corsola 1138.921053 151 Relicanth 1138.891365 172 Clamperl 1137.281324 202 Granbull 1137.104972 31 Electivire 1136.432464 112 Ninetales 1135.481343 193 Arbok 1135.261062 55 Umbreon 1134.835826 152 Rapidash 1134.068613 150 Zangoose 1130.762846 131 Hypno 1130.399414 219 Dewgong 1128.032258 80 Venusaur 1127.707642 181 Politoed 1127.324022 101 Swellow 1127.077504 90 Absol 1126.968314 122 Pinsir 1126.674402 176 Quagsire 1126.565432 113 Marowak 1125.890166 135 Lickilicky 1123.87714 119 Leafeon 1123.597183 197 Xatu 1122.10101 203 Parasect 1121.442623 158 Manectric 1119.110048 184 Noctowl 1118.821086 136 Scyther 1118.491753 99 Houndoom 1116.338446 180 Gorebyss 1114.887399 221 Girafarig 1112.057377 224 Castform 1110.663793 124 Espeon 1110.605457 107 Blaziken 1110.51323 174 Bibarel 1110.314286 52 Alakazam 1109.786343 149 Muk 1109.445302 177 Grumpig 1109.132275 240 Pelipper 1108.746835 110 Feraligatr 1107.551724 215 Stunky 1107.316547 108 Magmortar 1106.223691 71 Arcanine 1105.421611 153 Hitmonchan 1105.255072 212 Diglett 1105.195946 198 Magby 1104.2 137 Sandslash 1103.965874 249 Huntail 1103.666667 179 Mantine 1101.063325 195 Sudowoodo 1101.032558 56 Charizard 1100.075112 91 Blastoise 1097.92863 192 Solrock 1097.919847 138 Slowking 1097.620083 213 Drifloon 1097.61745 243 Sunflora 1093.507246 166 Armaldo 1092.763573 239 Cherrim 1091.156627 186 Shiftry 1090.05296 183 Octillery 1088.118457 200 Glalie 1086.292308 227 Seviper 1085.508621 165 Primeape 1083.747405 188 Raticate 1079.845395 109 Typhlosion 1078.606987 115 Rampardos 1075.177207 160 Mr. Mime 1074.007825 225 Dusclops 1072.391667 145 Sharpedo 1066.864212 157 Ampharos 1066.784024 114 Torterra 1064.909866 236 Trapinch 1063.922222 218 Furret 1060.037594 216 Mightyena 1058.166667 231 Vigoroth 1056.494949 233 Bellossom 1055.739583 242 Masquerain 1055.432099 182 Dunsparce 1054.390501 208 Taillow 1052.710059 Code:
# Pokemon Average Player Rating -------------------------------------- 217 Chatot 1044.846715 237 Delibird 1038.967391 250 Delcatty 1038.482759 232 Ariados 1035.510204 204 Electabuzz 1034.502674 214 Magmar 1030.38961 223 Entei 1027.095238 156 Pikachu 1024.890625 164 Aggron 1022.822764 167 Altaria 1022.53367 234 Phione 1019.515152 159 Kingler 1018.547584 244 Bonsly 1015.054795 189 Bastiodon 1008.729452 194 Chansey 1006.545082 185 Golem 1005.626437 163 Raichu 1005.421538 226 Crawdaunt 1000.904762 207 Vespiquen 985.420765 155 Meganium 984.7003995 220 Mawile 981.9785714 205 Flareon 971.8762887 201 Beedrill 971.4953704 211 Victreebel 963.5847953 191 Wailord 948.8045603 173 Golduck 946.4063745 235 Wigglytuff 944.745098 248 Tropius 940.7941176 247 Haunter 913.6944444 187 Luxray 901.2811671 222 Ledian 894.8445946 246 Mothim 880.038961 230 Rattata 853.129771 228 Pidgeot 667.2096774 Unsurprisingly, most Pokemon that are used by 'expert' players are OU. The Pokemon being used by the highest ranked players on average, interestingly, is none other than Wobbuffet, while Electivire is the Pokemon in OU with the lowest ranked players using it. The average player ranking out of that list is 1148.53, and Electivire's player ranking is even lower than this average. So is that of Porygon-Z, and Ninjask is very near this average too. These three OU Pokemon (Electivire, Ninjask and Porygon-Z) are kinda the 'noob' OU Pokemon.
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This is a very interesting thread. Will this be repeated for June's statistics? I also find it interesting how I use the 3 highest ranked Pokemon on that list.
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154 Skuntank 1264.743676
This was the most surprising to me, what do the experts know about skuntank that the rest of us don't?
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I'll do it again for June's statistics if you wish.
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please do this again x-act, i love it! i used wobb extensively in may, so i must be good :D. this should add to the 'wobb is uber' arguments. keep in mind that lesser used pokes can look real good just because a few really good players use them. no, this should not make skuntank OU.
since i'm already at it, might as well post some thoughts on why these pokes are ranked where they are. there are lots of pokemon that i find hard to fit on a team despite their high rankings. these are: 1. infernape. LO + sandstorm just proved too much to me. don't forget SR damage either. too much damage on a fragile poke. 2. scizor. it's just too easily walled. i can see potential with niche roles but flying types just love facing scizor, especially gyara and mence due to intimidate. 3. yanmega. 50% SR damage is just no good. so many people use it with LO too. it can wear down really easily especially when the current metagame is filled with bulky sweepers. 4. weavile. bronzongs are running all over the place and gengars - something weaviles were known to trap kill, now commonly run scarves. 5. snorlax. it's just hard using normal type physical threats. skarm, zong, dusknoir... you get the picture. there are better rest talkers.
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Some surprises:
- Mesprit: it's quite useful, but I don't find a way to use it correctly. However some people have found its usefulness. - Shaymin: it's barely used, but who use it are quite strong. I only see Specs set, which have a limited movepool, so I don't understand why it's so used. - Walrein: with Walrein so high, we can find that Hail teams are used by strong people. - Skuntank: I don't understand this, sorry. - Nidoqueen: I've used it with success, because it's a good Heracross and SDLucario counter, can lay down Toxic Spikes, Stealth Rock, absorb that Toxic Spikes, and and with Roar it can PHaze quite well. - Porygon2 > PorygonZ: do you understand this?. Anyway, what are we missing about Mesprit, Shaymin and Skuntank? |
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I'm not surprised by Mesprit at all - I use it on a lot of my teams with plenty of success. Skuntank sticks out like a sore thumb to me on the list - I can "justify" the other highly ranked Pokemon; each has a niche it fills in some way or another. I'll definitely be looking into this.
Excellent work, as always, X-Act. Much appreciated. :)
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Nice work as always, X-Act. ^^
I'm not surprised about most things, really - I've always considered Ninjask and Electivire n00b-OU Pokemon, as most people who still think those are good Pokemon are n00bs anyway. Also, Wobbuffet at first place might be a good argument for it being uber... one could conclude that using Wobbuffet makes your rating increase. x3 I'm kinda wtf'ing at Mesprit being so high. o.o; |
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Mesprit has the ability to counter Gyarados, Garchomp, and Infernape, among other things. Should its high rating really be such a shock? (Okay, higher than Heatran is a little bit of a surprise...)
The real WTF is, of course, Skuntank. Heh, must be for the WTF factor. lol
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I'm guessing the deal with Skuntank is that it's pretty low on the average usage list, so being on just a couple teams that ended up moderately high in ranking would bump it up pretty high.
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Yeah. But still, Im always glad to see Skuntank ranked above Lucario.
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Well, maybe there was a high-ranking player in May who was experimenting with Skuntank.
EDIT: These were the Pokemon used by 'experts' in April: Code:
# Pokemon Average Player Rating -------------------------------------- 191 Sunkern 1482.336957 43 Wobbuffet 1351.264452 15 Celebi 1339.323781 73 Mesprit 1330.504567 47 Deoxys-S 1329.663772 22 Zapdos 1319.160436 5 Tyranitar 1318.568092 8 Heatran 1313.558359 26 Jirachi 1311.774371 14 Gliscor 1300.457125 82 Shaymin 1296.629252 1 Garchomp 1291.060546 20 Azelf 1289.938249 4 Gyarados 1288.767375 44 Dugtrio 1287.248012 50 Roserade 1286.397905 7 Bronzong 1285.640865 32 Mamoswine 1285.632671 21 Cresselia 1284.963119 33 Magnezone 1282.471658 18 Heracross 1277.668828 9 Starmie 1277.544353 6 Lucario 1276.314371 31 Machamp 1270.386419 27 Hippowdon 1267.985191 40 Suicune 1267.741505 96 Uxie 1265.273377 88 Porygon2 1264.105828 16 Swampert 1262.550627 25 Breloom 1260.624922 51 Abomasnow 1258.722864 41 Tentacruel 1255.958439 56 Mismagius 1254.569389 13 Skarmory 1254.417011 75 Cradily 1251.752231 12 Metagross 1251.315439 24 Snorlax 1250.697852 17 Forretress 1249.755686 103 Kabutops 1248.134581 2 Gengar 1247.068385
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... sunkern...
Now that's even more weird... but nice job X-Act!
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Thanks for putting this together, X-Act. It's definitely some very interesting info.
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EDIT: I have a question. When 'weighted statistics' are calculated, what's the exact algorithm? Is it the ranking of the player when they start the match, after they finish the match, or does Shoddy keep track of the number of uses for each Pokémon on an account over the month and then multiply by the month-end ranking?
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I love this a lot, thanks X-Act. I will remind you and everyone else though (because it hasn't been posted yet), that the preponderance of alternate accounts is going to throw these numbers off an awful lot. You almost need look no farther than the top two players on the ladder right now to realize this: they are both "imperfectluck" for whatever reason.
His analajim account is #6 as well, and for a player who's voiced his goal of whoring Wobbuffet until it gets banned, you can start to realize one of the main reasons Wobbuffet is so high on this index. I honestly don't know whatever alts he has or other players have, but until we're able to pin this down, we unfortunately cannot place much stock in these stats.
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Hmmmm, I'm not sure about this. The first 5 pokemon on the list used by expert Players are Legendaries, with the exception of the Wobb, which has recently been moved down from Ubers. This seems to go against the old phrase "Those who battle without legends, don't have the skills to deal with them." Seeing as the "Experts" use the legends, then doesn't that seem to suggest that they rely on their legends, to be "experts."
The other explination is that... LOL I'm ill and i can't remember what i was going to say. Either way there was an alternative explaination. Anyway the conclusion of this small piee of writing is that bit about the legends earlier!
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Although would be nice information to see, he does list Skuntank's position on the usage chart, which is only 154 (163 on the unweighted list), which is definitely low enough for a couple high ladder players to bring up the usage ranking.
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Each usage scores the pokemon a number of points equal to its trainer's conservative estimated rating at the point when this list was compiled... I'd guess that means that it counted the players' ratings as they were in June 1st.
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Great work, X-Act.
I'm not too suprised that Wobbuffet is used the majority of the time by high-ranked players on the ladder. As such, this is easy to acknowledge once you realise that ipl has two accounts on the top ten of the Shoddy Battle ladder. On the other hand, you see, many lower-tiered players don't tend to use Wobbuffet due to their misundertanding of the Pokemon in general - believing it's not that great - or the fact that they won't use it because they simply do not like it - hatred fumed through Wobbuffet's "uberness". Don't get me wrong, though, as there are many higher-tiered players who simply do not use Wobbuffet either.
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Thanks for the work.
Interesting to find that of the 6 on my current team, 5 are in the normal category and 1 in the Expert. I definitely should play more. |
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I wasn't particularly surprised by any of this, but of course, awesome work, X-Act. Electivire as the bottom OU sounds pretty much right, though its usage seems to be dropping; I only saw 1 of them so far this month.
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I'll take the credit for the Walrein usage, as for most of May I used a hail team to great affect. It surprisingly dominated nearly everyone I played against, so I guess that's why he was so high.
Who was the one who used Sunkern again, I remember a few people were talking about it in the main chat or somewhere, I don't remember. Something makes me think it was KinglerDude, but I'm not sure. So let me get this straight, if someone ranked at the top(IPL) used Magicarp/Sunkern/Metapod/Weedle/whatever for only one match, they would all be at the top of the list because they were probably only used by him the entire month? So there would be no way to find an average becuse only oneplayer used them?
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To be totally semantic and nitpicky in order to be as clear as possible, the title of this thread would be more accurate if "players" were replaced with "accounts". I may not be thinking about this the right way either, though, and I'd appreciate it if X-Act could weigh in.
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EDIT: Wait, I think I see what you're saying. The more accounts there are, the lower everyone else's ranking is. Is that right? How is the ranking actually calculated? I suppose I should investigate before making further hypotheses. If players are actually whoring Wobbuffet in an effort to get it banned, that's very poor form. That doesn't show that Wobbuffet's powerful. It just shows that good players are using it in order to artificially raise its usage. Not cool.
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