Smogon Shoddy Server Statistics - August 2008 - Page 3

Sudo · Sep 6th, 2008, 10:45:25 AM

So if one month's statistics weren't good enough to determine the differences between the two metagames, why are we having the vote now? Wouldn't it be premature?

X-Act · Sep 6th, 2008, 10:52:10 AM

Here is a graph comparing the Standard ladder usages and the Suspect ladder usages of their first 60 Pokemon:

Note how the blue graph (Standard) is always below the green graph (Suspect) from Pokemon #2 to Pokemon #27. Note in particular the graphs from Pokemon #2 to #7 and from Pokemon #12 to #27. This is the reason why the Suspect ladder usages reach 75% before those of the Standard ladder.

**Elevator Music** · Sep 6th, 2008, 11:17:09 AM

I'm not sure if this has already been noted, but since Deoxys-E was on the suspect ladder for awhile ( 54 | Deoxys-e | 1438 ), that does slightly skew the statistics, correct?

EDIT- Not that it drastically changes what makes OU or anything, but I figured it was worth pointing out.

Age of Kings · Sep 6th, 2008, 11:24:38 AM

Big surprise for Claydol being #1 in UU (or maybe not because of Aero).

And a lot of things were pushed out of the top 75%, like Grumpig. Very, very odd.

EDIT;; Also noticing that Hippo is down in the standard ladder....I'm going to hate that thing if it goes BL.

bolt. · Sep 6th, 2008, 12:00:46 PM

I think that people need to get used to this new metagame instead of trying to find pokemon to fill garchomps shoes. People will always look for the strongest pokemon, and if it isn't there, they will look for the next best thing. As of now the next best thing is salamence, as you can see from the statistics. I think that people will eventually find ways to fit garchomp the one time counters back into the metagame, but in a different way.

That being said, I don't think it is right to judge garchomp's impact after one month. The metagame needs more time to adjust fro overcentralized to every pokemon finding a new role.

I think porygon-2 usage will go down really fast, and I am pretty sure it already has. If there were weekly statistics I am almost positive it would show a lot of p2 usage at the beginning of the suspect ladder and a little less at towards the end of the month.

SithLord · Sep 6th, 2008, 1:27:54 PM

Anyone notice how Electrode is at #22 in Suspect test leads? With the removal of Deoxys-E, it can now claim for fastest Taunt in the metagame...combined with Thunder Wave/Rain Dance/Light Screen support and Explosion it can make a decent niche for itself.

I'm also noticing how Yache Berry is the item of choice on 46% of Garchomps...that's a huge jump compared to the 39% or so Yache Chomps in the last month.

Kagster123 · Sep 6th, 2008, 4:30:40 PM

Is the tier list update next month going to use the Standard or Suspect statistics?

Kristoph · Sep 6th, 2008, 4:44:01 PM

We can't go by the Suspect statistics because Deoxys-S will still be OU even if Garchomp is put into Ubers.

Kagster123 · Sep 6th, 2008, 4:52:24 PM

K thanks. I already cant wait for next months tier list update because we're ready to finally see some new faces in OU.

Sep 6th, 2008, 10:45:25 AM	#51
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Sep 6th, 2008, 10:52:10 AM	#52
X-Act np: Biffy Clyro - Shock Shock Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 4,679 Malta	Here is a graph comparing the Standard ladder usages and the Suspect ladder usages of their first 60 Pokemon: Note how the blue graph (Standard) is always below the green graph (Suspect) from Pokemon #2 to Pokemon #27. Note in particular the graphs from Pokemon #2 to #7 and from Pokemon #12 to #27. This is the reason why the Suspect ladder usages reach 75% before those of the Standard ladder. __________________ http://users.smogon.com/X-Act For all your Pokemon needs (and more!) including: the Defensive EVs applet, the Probabilities of Breeding IVs in Pokemon applet, and the Ratings of Pokemon Base Stats applet (now Version 2.0!). And also the IV to PID applet!

Sep 6th, 2008, 11:17:09 AM	#53
Elevator Music there is actually no underscore in my name Moderator Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 5,485	I'm not sure if this has already been noted, but since Deoxys-E was on the suspect ladder for awhile ( 54 \| Deoxys-e \| 1438 ), that does slightly skew the statistics, correct? EDIT- Not that it drastically changes what makes OU or anything, but I figured it was worth pointing out. __________________ Last edited by Elevator Music; Sep 6th, 2008 at 11:52:25 AM.

Sep 6th, 2008, 11:24:38 AM	#54
Age of Kings Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,303 Between the Devil and the Deep Blue Sea	Big surprise for Claydol being #1 in UU (or maybe not because of Aero). And a lot of things were pushed out of the top 75%, like Grumpig. Very, very odd. EDIT;; Also noticing that Hippo is down in the standard ladder....I'm going to hate that thing if it goes BL. __________________ Black FC: 3396 3071 2727 mein crap, don't post please Last edited by Age of Kings; Sep 6th, 2008 at 11:30:01 AM.

Sep 6th, 2008, 12:00:46 PM	#55
bolt. Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 155 Lesotho	I think that people need to get used to this new metagame instead of trying to find pokemon to fill garchomps shoes. People will always look for the strongest pokemon, and if it isn't there, they will look for the next best thing. As of now the next best thing is salamence, as you can see from the statistics. I think that people will eventually find ways to fit garchomp the one time counters back into the metagame, but in a different way. That being said, I don't think it is right to judge garchomp's impact after one month. The metagame needs more time to adjust fro overcentralized to every pokemon finding a new role. I think porygon-2 usage will go down really fast, and I am pretty sure it already has. If there were weekly statistics I am almost positive it would show a lot of p2 usage at the beginning of the suspect ladder and a little less at towards the end of the month. __________________ Shoddy name: Bolt. Best Smogon shoddy server rank: 9

Sep 6th, 2008, 1:27:54 PM	#56
SithLord Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 162	Anyone notice how Electrode is at #22 in Suspect test leads? With the removal of Deoxys-E, it can now claim for fastest Taunt in the metagame...combined with Thunder Wave/Rain Dance/Light Screen support and Explosion it can make a decent niche for itself. I'm also noticing how Yache Berry is the item of choice on 46% of Garchomps...that's a huge jump compared to the 39% or so Yache Chomps in the last month. Last edited by SithLord; Sep 6th, 2008 at 1:35:29 PM.

Sep 6th, 2008, 4:30:40 PM	#57
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Sep 6th, 2008, 4:44:01 PM	#58
Kristoph Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 1,710	We can't go by the Suspect statistics because Deoxys-S will still be OU even if Garchomp is put into Ubers. __________________ Analyzing battle data for luck factors...

Sep 6th, 2008, 4:52:24 PM	#59
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