CAP 5 - Final Product - Page 3

ParadOxymoron · Nov 8th, 2008, 11:01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat MetalGarX

Lithos Shot

Meh, I dunno

Other than that move's name, this is my fav CAPmon so far!

Oh, that actually sounds really cool! :)

Other than Brimstone losing, this is definitely my second-favorite CAP (behind Fidgit, who will probably always be one of my favorites since he's the one who I joined on).

bullfrogegg8 · Nov 8th, 2008, 11:30:05 AM

Paleo Wave
I think this is a pretty good name

**Mario With Lasers** · Nov 8th, 2008, 11:54:17 AM

Primal Wave

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Originally Posted by Fat ParadOxymoron

Other than Brimstone losing, this is definitely my second-favorite CAP (behind Fidgit).

Agreed. I'm here since Syclant (even though I'm not ALWAYS contibuting, and I have lost the whole Pyroak project), but Stratagem and Fidgit seems to be the most pokémonish of all the CAP pokémon we have until now. I can picture them being in 5th Gen perfectly. Of course Revenankh, Syclant and Pyroak could be also, but not THAT perfectly.

Dracul · Nov 8th, 2008, 12:51:57 PM

What about Petra Beam? Stratagem's not a fossil pokemon, so Ancient sounds a bit mismatched. Petra means rock in Latin, so it's pretty meaningful too.

Infiltrator · Nov 8th, 2008, 1:15:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Dracul

What about Petra Beam? Stratagem's not a fossil pokemon, so Ancient sounds a bit mismatched. Petra means rock in Latin, so it's pretty meaningful too.

It doesn't have to be a fossil to have an attack named ancient
look Zappy gets Ancient power toge and lots more ....

sub.torterra · Nov 8th, 2008, 1:27:23 PM

Meteor Beam

ChronoSquare · Nov 8th, 2008, 2:15:36 PM

I like the ring of the Paleo moves, and personally like Paleo Blast over Paleo Wave, but I think if Wave is what the people want then that's fine too. (to throwback pulse, I think we've got enough pulses...)

Wichu · Nov 8th, 2008, 6:16:23 PM

Paleo Wave[/bandwagon]
Anyway, the project went pretty smoothly. The one thing I dislike is the art; it looks rather unnatural. But I can live with that :P
And I know it's not the right place, but I think it's fine without pre-evolutions.

sanjay120 · Nov 8th, 2008, 6:22:33 PM

Comet Flare sounds the best to me.

X-Trader · Nov 8th, 2008, 7:24:13 PM

Supporting Comet Flare

Yamaha · Nov 8th, 2008, 7:28:01 PM

Diamond Core sounds scary and attacks like no other..

tennisace · Nov 8th, 2008, 7:30:52 PM

K Paleo Wave won pretty much overwhelmingly. So we'll use that.

I have to say, I'm very pleased with how this turned out. Also, grats to Bass for getting mods here =)

Not Scicky · Nov 8th, 2008, 9:00:20 PM

I have to say, this has probably been my least favorite CAP in terms of how the polls went, but I also think it may be our biggest success yet, tennis, you did a great job as TL.

X-Act · Nov 9th, 2008, 5:28:34 AM

tennisace said that Paleo Wave is the name that's going to be used instead of Ancient Beam. So if you're going to post in this thread, post only to talk about the final product.

zarator · Nov 9th, 2008, 1:32:48 PM

Well, if I should say Stratagem is interesting, even if I prefer Fidgit by far. This bias comes only down to versatility: after all, I can see Stratagem able to run no more than 2 or maybe 3 sets with significant variants, while Fidgit is much more fun to use because you can adapt him to what best suits you teams, your desires, maybe even your mood^^ agan, this is my opinion.

From a more objective point of view, im pretty interested in seeing how well this thing will face the main counters/walls like Heatran, Zapdos, Celebi and Togekiss. On paper it seems to have some good selling points, but I fear that, like Syclant, the sheer might of Steel powerhouses (Metagross, Heatran, Scizor) will hamper it badly.

Anyway, its too early to say anything concrete, I think

Not Scicky · Nov 9th, 2008, 2:50:55 PM

erm, syclant doesn't care about any steels except Scizor :S

Bronzong too, but still, syclant is near broken as it is, I wouldn't say steels are hampering him.

zarator · Nov 9th, 2008, 3:03:34 PM

I never tested Syclant, but i thought Metagross could get the upper hand against him if it carries Bullet Punch, and Lucario the same. Ok, they are not counters, but all of them can stop Syclant easily. I think.

Bass · Nov 9th, 2008, 3:12:53 PM

Guys, let's keep the discussion about Stratagem, not Syclant.

cyberzero · Nov 9th, 2008, 4:41:15 PM

I feel like playing some theorymon. Possible counters for this thing would be anything with Bullet Punch (Scizor, Metagross and Lucario are the most likely), other base 130 speed Pokemon such as Aerodactyl, Electrode with a super effective Hidden Power (?) and Trick Room. But that's all I can think of. Anyone else?

tennisace · Nov 9th, 2008, 4:51:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat cyberzero

I feel like playing some theorymon. Possible counters for this thing would be anything with Bullet Punch (Scizor, Metagross and Lucario are the most likely), other base 130 speed Pokemon such as Aerodactyl, Electrode with a super effective Hidden Power (?) and Trick Room. But that's all I can think of. Anyone else?

How about the obvious Bulky Waters? Or Bulky Grounds/Rocks I.E. TTar/Hippowdon?

hinode · Nov 9th, 2008, 5:11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat cyberzero

I feel like playing some theorymon. Possible counters for this thing would be anything with Bullet Punch (Scizor, Metagross and Lucario are the most likely), other base 130 speed Pokemon such as Aerodactyl, Electrode with a super effective Hidden Power (?) and Trick Room. But that's all I can think of. Anyone else?

Kharozz · Nov 9th, 2008, 5:15:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat tennisace0227

How about the obvious Bulky Waters? Or Bulky Grounds/Rocks I.E. TTar/Hippowdon?

Adding more, I think a Starmie could take it down, possibly a Weavile and also a Venusaur. Trick Room and Mach Punch users too.

Bass · Nov 9th, 2008, 5:20:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Kharozz

Adding more, I think a Starmie could take it down, possibly a Weavile and also a Venusaur. Trick Room and Mach Punch users too.

How exactly are the aforementioned pokemon counters? Did you even look at the complete movepool and stat spread in the OP? If you did, then you would realize that Stratagem can hit the pokemon you mentioned for super-effective damage, not to mention outspeed them.

eric the espeon · Nov 9th, 2008, 5:21:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Kharozz

Adding more, I think a Starmie could take it down, possibly a Weavile and also a Venusaur. Trick Room and Mach Punch users too.

I would be shocked if this could not 2KO Starmie and Venu (Flamethrower) and 1KO Weavile.
It also outspeeds all of them baring a scarf.

But Vaporeon/Milotic sound like decent switches as well as some Snorlax.
I wonder if Rev can take it down?

Bass · Nov 9th, 2008, 5:26:30 PM

Revenankth and Snorlax are both solid counters as they can take even Super Effective hits from Stratagem pretty well and hit him hard with Hammer Arm and Earthquake, respectively.

Nov 8th, 2008, 11:30:05 AM	#52
bullfrogegg8 Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 158 Roastin' my shiny 0/0/0/0/31/0 modest magikarp	Paleo Wave I think this is a pretty good name __________________ locopoke: keep your damn panties on

Nov 8th, 2008, 12:51:57 PM	#54
Dracul Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 61	What about Petra Beam? Stratagem's not a fossil pokemon, so Ancient sounds a bit mismatched. Petra means rock in Latin, so it's pretty meaningful too. __________________

Nov 8th, 2008, 6:16:23 PM	#58
Wichu ACUPRESSURE Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 1,508 Cambridge, England	Paleo Wave[/bandwagon] Anyway, the project went pretty smoothly. The one thing I dislike is the art; it looks rather unnatural. But I can live with that :P And I know it's not the right place, but I think it's fine without pre-evolutions. __________________

Nov 8th, 2008, 7:30:52 PM	#62
tennisace RIDE OR DIE MOTHERFUCKERS ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 5,236	K Paleo Wave won pretty much overwhelmingly. So we'll use that. I have to say, I'm very pleased with how this turned out. Also, grats to Bass for getting mods here =) __________________ ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ

Nov 8th, 2008, 9:00:20 PM	#63
Not Scicky Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,311 Bland Juicer	I have to say, this has probably been my least favorite CAP in terms of how the polls went, but I also think it may be our biggest success yet, tennis, you did a great job as TL. __________________ And I was gone. Last edited by Bass; Nov 9th, 2008 at 9:54:48 AM.

Nov 8th, 2008, 1:27:23 PM	#56
sub.torterra Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 18 Calgary, AB. (MT).	Meteor Beam

Nov 8th, 2008, 7:24:13 PM	#60
X-Trader Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,991	Supporting Comet Flare

Nov 8th, 2008, 7:28:01 PM	#61
Yamaha Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 166	Diamond Core sounds scary and attacks like no other..

Nov 9th, 2008, 5:28:34 AM	#64
X-Act np: Biffy Clyro - Shock Shock Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 4,679 Malta	tennisace said that Paleo Wave is the name that's going to be used instead of Ancient Beam. So if you're going to post in this thread, post only to talk about the final product. __________________ http://users.smogon.com/X-Act For all your Pokemon needs (and more!) including: the Defensive EVs applet, the Probabilities of Breeding IVs in Pokemon applet, and the Ratings of Pokemon Base Stats applet (now Version 2.0!). And also the IV to PID applet!

Nov 9th, 2008, 1:32:48 PM	#65
zarator Don't cry, little one Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 3,452 Italy	Well, if I should say Stratagem is interesting, even if I prefer Fidgit by far. This bias comes only down to versatility: after all, I can see Stratagem able to run no more than 2 or maybe 3 sets with significant variants, while Fidgit is much more fun to use because you can adapt him to what best suits you teams, your desires, maybe even your mood^^ agan, this is my opinion. From a more objective point of view, im pretty interested in seeing how well this thing will face the main counters/walls like Heatran, Zapdos, Celebi and Togekiss. On paper it seems to have some good selling points, but I fear that, like Syclant, the sheer might of Steel powerhouses (Metagross, Heatran, Scizor) will hamper it badly. Anyway, its too early to say anything concrete, I think

Nov 9th, 2008, 2:50:55 PM	#66
Not Scicky Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,311 Bland Juicer	erm, syclant doesn't care about any steels except Scizor :S Bronzong too, but still, syclant is near broken as it is, I wouldn't say steels are hampering him. __________________ And I was gone.

Nov 9th, 2008, 3:03:34 PM	#67
zarator Don't cry, little one Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 3,452 Italy	I never tested Syclant, but i thought Metagross could get the upper hand against him if it carries Bullet Punch, and Lucario the same. Ok, they are not counters, but all of them can stop Syclant easily. I think.

Nov 9th, 2008, 3:12:53 PM	#68
Bass I'm...feeling...faint... Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,227	Guys, let's keep the discussion about Stratagem, not Syclant.

Nov 9th, 2008, 5:26:30 PM	#75
Bass I'm...feeling...faint... Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,227	Revenankth and Snorlax are both solid counters as they can take even Super Effective hits from Stratagem pretty well and hit him hard with Hammer Arm and Earthquake, respectively.