(Gen 3) Rmt (OU)

mepku · Dec 28th, 2008, 9:10:15 PM

Hey guys, Rate my team please give me tips etc,
Im new here so please be nice =)

Raikou @ Starf Berry
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Crunch
- Endure
- Thunderbolt

Gyarados (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 20 HP / 252 Atk / 236 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Dragon Dance
- Earthquake
- Hidden Power [Rock]
- Taunt

Vaporeon (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Water Absorb
EVs: 132 HP / 252 Def / 64 SAtk / 62 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Roar
- Surf
- Ice Beam
- Wish

Dugtrio (M) @ Choice Band
Trait: Arena Trap
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 188 Spd / 64 SDef
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Aerial Ace
- Earthquake
- Hidden Power [Bug]
- Rock Slide

Gengar (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 252 Atk / 6 Def / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Explosion
- Focus Punch
- Hypnosis
- Shadow Ball

Alakazam (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Synchronize
EVs: 84 HP / 172 Def / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Fire Punch
- Hidden Power [Water]
- Psychic

So please help me , I think my evs are bad but would like to know you opinions

ABC-Trainer · Dec 28th, 2008, 9:34:56 PM

This is a good team and I don't know how you could improve it :/

Iggeh · Dec 28th, 2008, 9:41:45 PM

Yes Starf Berry in action! Though really, Raikou should be saved until lategame when you know all his counters are gone or weakend. Also, Hidden Power Grass should go over Crunch, since Swampert is a threat to your team.

Gyarados looks good. Though as a general tip, Pokemon with Leftovers should have their HP divisible by 16 (272, 288, 304, 320, 336, 352, etc. etc.) for maximum recovery. Also consider giving it Rain Dance so Raikou doesn't get screwed over by Sandstorm.

Vaporeon needs its Defense maxed out, with a Bold nature. Don't bother with SDef; special attackers aren't nearly as much a threat to your team as physical attackers. I would replace Toxic with Ice Beam, as Dragons are much more of a threat to your team than Bulky Waters.

Adamant nature on Duggy to 2HKO 0 HP EVs Blissey and OHKO Tyranitar. Plus it helps on Metagross, but still misses the OHKO. Move 64 speed EVs into SDef to survive Jolteon/Raikou Hidden Powers... something like that.

I would go Choice Band with that Gengar set. Without it, Blissey and Snorlax will shrug off your Focus Punch even if you manage to hit them, and Shadow Ball is pretty useless.

Consider changing your Alakazam to a TrickBander, as it'll cripple special walls and let Raikou sweep much easier. I'm thinking Trick/Focus Punch/Psychic/Thunderpunch

mepku · Dec 28th, 2008, 10:17:50 PM

I changed some of the evs And stuff now is it still bad , I updated the list so Please tell me more ,

And I very rarely Keep raikou in at the beggining.

Still need a bit of help but my gengar works fine and i would never change him

Solidus · Dec 29th, 2008, 2:43:36 AM

On Raikou, use Substitute over Endure, and like Iggeh said, Hidden Power Grass over Crunch. Starf Berry is unreliable, as it could possibly boost unused Attack. If you're using it in the hopes that it might boost Special Attack, use Petaya Berry instead, because a Starf Berry only has a 20% chance of raising Special Attack in a pinch. I really recommend Leftovers though.

Adamant Dugtrio is fine, but if you give it at least 228 Speed EV's, you'll be able to safely switch in on a max Speed Jolly Tyranitar after it Dragon Dances once. You won't outspeed max Speed Timid Raikou with those EV's though.

No matter how many Defense EV's you give Alakazam, it's still going to be very fragile. Just max out Special Attack on Alakazam and give the remaining 4 EV's to HP. Also, I'm assuming Hidden Power Water is so you can hurt Tyranitar and Houndoom.

Lutra · Dec 29th, 2008, 7:04:50 AM

It's your lucky day today, you are getting a rate from yours truly.

First, Raikou. Starf Berry though nice in theory, is generally inferior to even Leftovers. If you think about it, Leftovers allows you to recover 1/16 of your hp. Those 1/16s will build up and lead to recovery after several calm minds, and thus you are able to get more calm minds in to boost your insane attack because you haven't fainted against a celebi or something. And honestly, most offensive physical threats that'll take Raikou down will not be able to withstand many calm minds, Lax probably being the exception. Endure needs to go on Raikou. You're a fast pokemon anyway, so it is preferable just to substitute down to activate the berry - but it's gone anyway. I believe you need roar for opposing calm minders, don't you, like other Raikou. So roar on that spot. Definitely keep Thunderbolt. Crunch is good on rare occasions but it is totally inferior to HP grass in this instance. Evs - just stick to 40 HP / 252 SAtk / 216 Spe. Outspeeds Timid Gengar.

So it should look like this:

Raikou @ Leftovers
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 40 HP / 216 Spd / 252 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Roar
- Thunderbolt

Second, Gyarados. Move choices aren't bad, Hidden Power Rock for Zapdos doesn't seem unreasonable. All that needs is a change of ev spread then. 52 HP / 252 Atk / 204 Spe
This allows you to get 22HP recovery from Leftovers and have max attack with enough speed to outspeed Timid Duggy, Sceptile that will attempt to take chunks out of you. As you have HP Rock, 4 evs should be displaced from attack and slotted in speed.

So Gyarados should look like this:

Gyarados (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 52 HP / 248 Atk / 208 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Dragon Dance
- Earthquake
- Hidden Power [Rock]
- Taunt

Thirdly, Swampert. That's right. It will help with the huge rock weakness and is for the most part, a superior bulky water. I don't really think a wishing, ice beam, surf, haze/roar is ever a very affective set. And as Suicune can be handled in this scenario, it shouldn't be used. So I think the standard mixpert should be used in this case:

Swampert (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Torrent
EVs: 252 HP / 136 Def / 120 SAtk
Relaxed Nature (+Def, -Spd)
- Earthquake
- Ice Beam
- Protect
- Surf

Fourthly, Dugtrio. The Moveset is fine. The ev spread should be changed to this though:

228 Atk / 48 SpD / 232 Spe - This allows you to outspeed Adamant TTar and survive Jolly Raikou at the same time.

So it should look like this:

Dugtrio (M) @ Choice Band
Trait: Arena Trap
EVs: 228 Atk / 232 Spd / 48 SDef
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Aerial Ace
- Earthquake
- Hidden Power [Bug]
- Rock Slide

Fifthly, Regice. A subpunch set should fit in there nicely.

Regice @ Leftovers
Trait: Clear Body
EVs: 204 HP / 252 Atk / 52 SAtk
Brave Nature (+Atk, -Spd)
- Substitute
- Focus Punch
- Ice Beam
- Thunderbolt

Lastly, Sceptile. Endeavourtile would be a good option for wearing pokemon down.

Sceptile (M) @ Petaya Berry
Trait: Overgrow
EVs: 36 HP / 220 Spd / 252 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Endeavor
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Leaf Blade
- Substitute

You haven't got a sleep absorber but you could change Swampert to a restalker if that would be more beneficial.

Dec 28th, 2008, 9:10:15 PM	#1
mepku Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 6	Rmt (OU) Hey guys, Rate my team please give me tips etc, Im new here so please be nice =) Raikou @ Starf Berry Trait: Pressure EVs: 6 HP / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk) - Calm Mind - Crunch - Endure - Thunderbolt Gyarados (M) @ Leftovers Trait: Intimidate EVs: 20 HP / 252 Atk / 236 Spd Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk) - Dragon Dance - Earthquake - Hidden Power [Rock] - Taunt Vaporeon (M) @ Leftovers Trait: Water Absorb EVs: 132 HP / 252 Def / 64 SAtk / 62 SDef Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk) - Roar - Surf - Ice Beam - Wish Dugtrio (M) @ Choice Band Trait: Arena Trap EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 188 Spd / 64 SDef Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk) - Aerial Ace - Earthquake - Hidden Power [Bug] - Rock Slide Gengar (M) @ Leftovers Trait: Levitate EVs: 252 Atk / 6 Def / 252 Spd Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk) - Explosion - Focus Punch - Hypnosis - Shadow Ball Alakazam (M) @ Leftovers Trait: Synchronize EVs: 84 HP / 172 Def / 252 Spd Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk) - Calm Mind - Fire Punch - Hidden Power [Water] - Psychic So please help me , I think my evs are bad but would like to know you opinions Last edited by mepku; Dec 28th, 2008 at 10:15:31 PM.

Dec 29th, 2008, 7:04:50 AM	#6
Lutra Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 121 England	It's your lucky day today, you are getting a rate from yours truly. First, Raikou. Starf Berry though nice in theory, is generally inferior to even Leftovers. If you think about it, Leftovers allows you to recover 1/16 of your hp. Those 1/16s will build up and lead to recovery after several calm minds, and thus you are able to get more calm minds in to boost your insane attack because you haven't fainted against a celebi or something. And honestly, most offensive physical threats that'll take Raikou down will not be able to withstand many calm minds, Lax probably being the exception. Endure needs to go on Raikou. You're a fast pokemon anyway, so it is preferable just to substitute down to activate the berry - but it's gone anyway. I believe you need roar for opposing calm minders, don't you, like other Raikou. So roar on that spot. Definitely keep Thunderbolt. Crunch is good on rare occasions but it is totally inferior to HP grass in this instance. Evs - just stick to 40 HP / 252 SAtk / 216 Spe. Outspeeds Timid Gengar. So it should look like this: Raikou @ Leftovers Trait: Pressure EVs: 40 HP / 216 Spd / 252 SAtk Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk) - Calm Mind - Hidden Power [Grass] - Roar - Thunderbolt Second, Gyarados. Move choices aren't bad, Hidden Power Rock for Zapdos doesn't seem unreasonable. All that needs is a change of ev spread then. 52 HP / 252 Atk / 204 Spe This allows you to get 22HP recovery from Leftovers and have max attack with enough speed to outspeed Timid Duggy, Sceptile that will attempt to take chunks out of you. As you have HP Rock, 4 evs should be displaced from attack and slotted in speed. So Gyarados should look like this: Gyarados (M) @ Leftovers Trait: Intimidate EVs: 52 HP / 248 Atk / 208 Spd Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk) - Dragon Dance - Earthquake - Hidden Power [Rock] - Taunt Thirdly, Swampert. That's right. It will help with the huge rock weakness and is for the most part, a superior bulky water. I don't really think a wishing, ice beam, surf, haze/roar is ever a very affective set. And as Suicune can be handled in this scenario, it shouldn't be used. So I think the standard mixpert should be used in this case: Swampert (M) @ Leftovers Trait: Torrent EVs: 252 HP / 136 Def / 120 SAtk Relaxed Nature (+Def, -Spd) - Earthquake - Ice Beam - Protect - Surf Fourthly, Dugtrio. The Moveset is fine. The ev spread should be changed to this though: 228 Atk / 48 SpD / 232 Spe - This allows you to outspeed Adamant TTar and survive Jolly Raikou at the same time. So it should look like this: Dugtrio (M) @ Choice Band Trait: Arena Trap EVs: 228 Atk / 232 Spd / 48 SDef Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk) - Aerial Ace - Earthquake - Hidden Power [Bug] - Rock Slide Fifthly, Regice. A subpunch set should fit in there nicely. Regice @ Leftovers Trait: Clear Body EVs: 204 HP / 252 Atk / 52 SAtk Brave Nature (+Atk, -Spd) - Substitute - Focus Punch - Ice Beam - Thunderbolt Lastly, Sceptile. Endeavourtile would be a good option for wearing pokemon down. Sceptile (M) @ Petaya Berry Trait: Overgrow EVs: 36 HP / 220 Spd / 252 SAtk Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk) - Endeavor - Hidden Power [Fire] - Leaf Blade - Substitute You haven't got a sleep absorber but you could change Swampert to a restalker if that would be more beneficial. Last edited by Lutra; Dec 29th, 2008 at 10:51:36 AM.

Dec 28th, 2008, 9:34:56 PM	#2
ABC-Trainer Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 2,292 New Hampshire, USA	This is a good team and I don't know how you could improve it :/

Dec 28th, 2008, 9:41:45 PM	#3
Iggeh Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 87	Yes Starf Berry in action! Though really, Raikou should be saved until lategame when you know all his counters are gone or weakend. Also, Hidden Power Grass should go over Crunch, since Swampert is a threat to your team. Gyarados looks good. Though as a general tip, Pokemon with Leftovers should have their HP divisible by 16 (272, 288, 304, 320, 336, 352, etc. etc.) for maximum recovery. Also consider giving it Rain Dance so Raikou doesn't get screwed over by Sandstorm. Vaporeon needs its Defense maxed out, with a Bold nature. Don't bother with SDef; special attackers aren't nearly as much a threat to your team as physical attackers. I would replace Toxic with Ice Beam, as Dragons are much more of a threat to your team than Bulky Waters. Adamant nature on Duggy to 2HKO 0 HP EVs Blissey and OHKO Tyranitar. Plus it helps on Metagross, but still misses the OHKO. Move 64 speed EVs into SDef to survive Jolteon/Raikou Hidden Powers... something like that. I would go Choice Band with that Gengar set. Without it, Blissey and Snorlax will shrug off your Focus Punch even if you manage to hit them, and Shadow Ball is pretty useless. Consider changing your Alakazam to a TrickBander, as it'll cripple special walls and let Raikou sweep much easier. I'm thinking Trick/Focus Punch/Psychic/Thunderpunch

Dec 28th, 2008, 10:17:50 PM	#4
mepku Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 6	I changed some of the evs And stuff now is it still bad , I updated the list so Please tell me more , And I very rarely Keep raikou in at the beggining. Still need a bit of help but my gengar works fine and i would never change him

Dec 29th, 2008, 2:43:36 AM	#5
Solidus Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 507	On Raikou, use Substitute over Endure, and like Iggeh said, Hidden Power Grass over Crunch. Starf Berry is unreliable, as it could possibly boost unused Attack. If you're using it in the hopes that it might boost Special Attack, use Petaya Berry instead, because a Starf Berry only has a 20% chance of raising Special Attack in a pinch. I really recommend Leftovers though. Adamant Dugtrio is fine, but if you give it at least 228 Speed EV's, you'll be able to safely switch in on a max Speed Jolly Tyranitar after it Dragon Dances once. You won't outspeed max Speed Timid Raikou with those EV's though. No matter how many Defense EV's you give Alakazam, it's still going to be very fragile. Just max out Special Attack on Alakazam and give the remaining 4 EV's to HP. Also, I'm assuming Hidden Power Water is so you can hurt Tyranitar and Houndoom.