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View Poll Results: what should be secondary ability?
No Secondary Ability 67 37.85%
No Guard 20 11.30%
Shockproof 30 16.95%
Solid Rock / Filter 7 3.95%
Intimidate 0 0%
Special Intimidate 13 7.34%
Trace 9 5.08%
Limber 11 6.21%
Marvel Scale 13 7.34%
Guts 7 3.95%
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Old Dec 10th, 2008, 6:00:46 PM   #1
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Default CAP 6 - Part 5c - Secondary Ability Poll 1

This is our Pokémon:
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Originally Posted by Fat Concept
Name: Decentralizer
Description: A Pokemon can check a majority of the current top 5 Pokemon.
Type: Water / Fight
Ability: Unaware / ???
With a -20 to 0 Style Bias (Slightly defensive), a 0 to 20 Build Bias (slightly physical), and a Very Good (300 to 419) Stat Rating.

For the record, the current top 10 on the CAP server are:
  1. Stratagem
  2. Revenankh
  3. Fidgit
  4. Tyranitar
  5. Zapdos
  6. Syclant
  7. Blissey
  8. Heatran
  9. Scizor
  10. Pyroak

These are your options:
No Secondary Ability
No Guard

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Any attacks used by and on this Pokémon will never miss. They ignore evasion and accuracy modifiers, and will also hit through Bounce, Dig, Dive, and Fly. If a Pokémon with No Guard is using Detect or Protect, or if a No Guard Pokémon is targeting a Pokémon using Detect or Protect, moves have 100% - X% accuracy, where X is the move's normal accuracy. In other words, any moves used would hit if they usually don't, and wouldn't hit if they usually do. This takes into account accuracy and evasion, as well as the base accuracy of the move. Moves that ignore all accuracy modifiers, including OHKOs, do not have a chance to break through.
Shockproof
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Electric attacks deal 50% damage against this Pokémon. (If this wins, I will hold a side poll concerning the secondary effect of Heatproof; that is: halving burn damage.)
Solid Rock / Filter
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Whenever a move is used on this Pokémon that is super effective, the damage is decreased by 1/4.
Intimidate
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Lowers the enemy's Attack 1 stage on entering the battlefield. Affects both opponents in doubles. Activates even if gained through Trace, Skill Swap, or Role Play. When a Pokémon with this ability is first in the party, wild encounters have a lower chance of occurring.

If a Pokémon uses Intimidate, that Pokémon cannot use it again until it leaves play, even if it loses and re-gains Intimidate through Skill Swap.
Special Intimidate
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Lowers the enemy's Special Attack 1 stage on entering the battlefield. Affects both opponents in doubles. Activates even if gained through Trace, Skill Swap, or Role Play. When a Pokémon with this ability is first in the party, wild encounters have a lower chance of occurring.

If a Pokémon uses Intimidate, that Pokémon cannot use it again until it leaves play, even if it loses and re-gains Intimidate through Skill Swap.
Trace
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Upon switching in, this Pokémon copies the opponent's Ability. Trace cannot copy Multitype.
Limber
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This Pokémon is immune to being paralyzed. If a Pokémon is paralyzed, and then gains Limber, it is instantly cured of paralysis.
Marvel Scale
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This Pokémon has 50% more Defense when afflicted with burn, freeze, paralysis, poison, or sleep. Rest activates this, as well.
Guts
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When this Pokémon is affected by Burn, Paralysis, Poison, or Sleep, its Attack is increased by 50%. Guts ignores Burn's Attack drop.
Don't vote based on the name; that can always be changed.
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Old Dec 10th, 2008, 6:05:30 PM   #2
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I voted No secoundary. Unaware is plenty powerful on its own, and I would rather not see an ability that gets voted in that will just be overshadowed by this one like we have done with a few CapS in the past.

It also helps simplify the movepool polls as we dont have to think how to create a movest that adiquitly supposts both movepools. I think we got lucky with Strategem where both are equally viable but Im not sure lightning will strike twice if we do it again.
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Old Dec 10th, 2008, 6:17:47 PM   #3
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Likewise, I voted No Secondary Ability. Unaware is good enough for CaP6. Why should we give it another ability if it'll probably end up never getting used?

On a side-note I am absolutely against Shockproof. The community voted 'Water/Fight', so why don't we just accept that it won't flatten Zapdos instead of giving it a completely arbitrary ability that defies the entire concept of this CaP?

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Old Dec 10th, 2008, 6:21:11 PM   #4
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Voted No Secondary Ability, though if we must it should be Limber or No Guard and certainly shouldn't be Shockproof for all the reasons given by tennisace in the Primary Ability thread.
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Old Dec 10th, 2008, 6:21:16 PM   #5
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I am strongly against Shockproof, let alone any of the other abilities, as Unaware is all this pokemon would need. The other abilities imho would make it a bit too strong, so I am voting no secondary ability.
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Old Dec 10th, 2008, 6:23:18 PM   #6
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voted shockproof so watermon can switch into zapdos without much fear.
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Voted no secondary, but if we had to add another, limber would be the only one I would really agree with as it helps with blissey switchins. One good ability is good enough, as said a thousand times already.
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Old Dec 10th, 2008, 6:33:41 PM   #8
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No Secondary Ability.

People need to realise that if they picked Water/Fighting, he won't (and shouldn't) be good against Zapdos.
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Old Dec 10th, 2008, 6:55:28 PM   #9
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Voted for No Guard. Unaware is an almost purely defensive ability, No Guard allows CAP6 to make better use of a Choice Band, Specs or Life orb set by allowing it to make better use of strong moves suck as Cross chop, Hydro Pump and Stone edge and allows this Pokemon to be more versatile on the whole.
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It sucks that Technician is not here, despite getting more support than several other Abilities in the discussion thread. There are no decent offensive Abilities and all the defensive Abilities are inferior to Unaware.

Therefore I shall abstain from voting.
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No... Secondary Ability

And that's final.
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Voted Limber, but really won't be disappointed if No Secondary Ability wins.
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Old Dec 10th, 2008, 7:48:39 PM   #13
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No Secondary Ability. Unaware is good enough and I don't see how Shockproof could make sense.
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Old Dec 10th, 2008, 7:53:59 PM   #14
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No Secondary Ability. Unaware is good enough and I don't see how Shockproof could make sense.
I agree with this for the most part. Shockproof shouldn't be considered, as it is eliminating an ability and the concept is to only "check" the majority not the entire top 5.
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We don't need to always give two godly abilities to every pokémon we make, and Water/Fighting will do nicely with Unaware already.

Water Veil is an ability I'd vote for, though. I should've given it more support =(
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No Guard might let CAP6 become somewhat of an offensive threat by using high powered moves such as Cross Chop, Hydro Pump and Blizzard. It gets my vote.

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Went for Trace.
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Old Dec 10th, 2008, 8:28:44 PM   #18
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No Secondary Ability.

People need to realise that if they picked Water/Fighting, he won't (and shouldn't) be good against Zapdos.
Agreed.
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We don't need to always give two godly abilities to every pokémon we make, and Water/Fighting will do nicely with Unaware already.

Water Veil is an ability I'd vote for, though. I should've given it more support =(
I agree with you on this... i mean CAP5 was Mono rock and it turned out excellent so the same might occur for mono ability.
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I agree with you on this... i mean CAP5 was Mono rock and it turned out excellent so the same might occur for mono ability.
Typing and abilities are not the same thing. Not to mention that you could still have either ability, even if two were chosen. Nobody's forcing you to pack Ability #2.

I understand the sentiment that, "Maybe it's time we tried something different and just not give it two abilities or not." I'm just not clear on why people are saying it. >.> I mean, it'd at least be nice to get reasoning on why you don't want a second ability, other than, "I was in the mood."

Supporting Trace, which could be pretty neat. It could copy the brought-up Technician off of Scizor and Strata, it could get a free switch-in on Heatran, Natural Cure its way out of Blissey-Toxic. Heck, it could steal Compound Eyes off a Syclant. While it may not be as "useful" as Unaware, I feel it could bring up a few cool possibilities with its incredible flexibility.
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No Secondary Ability.

People need to realise that if they picked Water/Fighting, he won't (and shouldn't) be good against Zapdos.
Bronzong covers it's weaknesses with Heatproof AND Levitate, having shockproof is perfectly fine imo. It isn't overpowering on Zong and shouldn't be overpowering on CAP6
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I voted No Secondary. I personally would have liked to see Water Veil on there, but it didn't make the cut. :(
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