Soft-Resetting in Emerald Research Project

[mikeeeey]

Originally Posted by Fat MrSableye

Yes it has:


Wow, I have to worst luck. I just hit the spread I wanted... it was female... and it didn't inherit the correct nature... so I can't breed with it... *sigh*

Hahaaaa didn't even notice it, thanks for showing me.

[Mr. Sableye]

Is there a relationship between frames and match calls?
Everytime I do one of my spreads, a few seconds later I get a call...

UPDATE: Finally hit one of my spreads, female, WITH the right nature. :)

[General Tso]

Hi, I'm kinda new to this whole SR, broken RNG thing

Are those frames independent of parent IV's?

Also, those numbers are in seconds right? 1800 S = 30 minutes?

[Lightsabre]

no. there's 60 frames per second. Those frames give specific IVs at first, then they overide specific IVs with a specific parent IV. so what is at first glance a nasty useless spread, can turn into a really nice spread if the right IVs pass from the parents

[Mr. Sableye]

Originally Posted by Fat General Tso

Hi, I'm kinda new to this whole SR, broken RNG thing

Are those frames independent of parent IV's?

Also, those numbers are in seconds right? 1800 S = 30 minutes?

The frames are independant of the parent's IVs, but the IV's are dependant on the parent's IVs.

Well, let's answer your second question first. 1800S means 1800 Frames Split, meaning it's a whole different spread for 1800 (we don't know exactly what makes a spread split or not). Each frame is equal to 1/60th of a second, so if you had a spread that was 60 frames, it would be 1 second.

Now, let's say you find the spread 600 Frames: 29-B-10-A-19-7. Since one frame is 1/60ths of a second, you would have to soft reset and wait 10 seconds. As for IVs go, if you hit the spread, no matter what your parent's IVs, your Pokemon would have 29 attack, 10 defense, 19 special defence and 7 speed IVs.

The B's and A's represent the inherited IVs from the parents.
For example: If parent A (the first Pokemon placed in daycare) had 12 special attack, the offspring would also have 12 special attack. If parent B (the second Pokemon placed in daycare) had 3 attack, the offspring would also have 3 attack.

I hope that answered any questions that you had. It's really simple once you get the hang of it. Learn to use emloop, it's your friend. (http://pokem.client.jp/emloop.htm) It's in Japanese, so you'll have to play around with it.

[General Tso]

Originally Posted by Fat MrSableye

The frames are independant of the parent's IVs, but the IV's are dependant on the parent's IVs.

Well, let's answer your second question first. 1800S means 1800 Frames Split, meaning it's a whole different spread for 1800 (we don't know exactly what makes a spread split or not). Each frame is equal to 1/60th of a second, so if you had a spread that was 60 frames, it would be 1 second.

Now, let's say you find the spread 600 Frames: 29-B-10-A-19-7. Since one frame is 1/60ths of a second, you would have to soft reset and wait 10 seconds. As for IVs go, if you hit the spread, no matter what your parent's IVs, your Pokemon would have 29 attack, 10 defense, 19 special defence and 7 speed IVs.

The B's and A's represent the inherited IVs from the parents.
For example: If parent A (the first Pokemon placed in daycare) had 12 special attack, the offspring would also have 12 special attack. If parent B (the second Pokemon placed in daycare) had 3 attack, the offspring would also have 3 attack.

I hope that answered any questions that you had. It's really simple once you get the hang of it. Learn to use emloop, it's your friend. (http://pokem.client.jp/emloop.htm) It's in Japanese, so you'll have to play around with it.

Sounds reasonable, maybe I'll try this later on, thanks!

Also, do offset/delay have anything to do with Emerald breeding or is that just Platinum?

[Lightsabre]

that's just Platinum. Well Mr. Sablye, you've learned ;D

[Mr. Sableye]

Originally Posted by Fat Lightsabre

Well Mr. Sablye, you've learned ;D

Haha, thanks.

I'm the type of guy who is REALLY confused by things at first, but once I get the hang of it, I get really good at it. :P

EDIT: Oh, and does anyone know if anyone has made a decent guide to Emloop on Smogon yet? I wouldn't mind whipping one up, since it took me a while to figure it out, I don't want anyone else to have to suffer through it.

[Harlequin Boy]

I'm just about to start SRing in Emerald, so I've been reading through...

Mr. Sableye, If you need help with Emloop, I can read some japanese, so I may be able to help if you make a guide.

ポケモン エメタイマー
PoKeMoN EMeTaIMa-
Pokemon Emtimer


EDIT: Thanks Replay ^^

[wooooood]

ok so I've been reading this over and over again, trying to make sense of it, and I think I have the gist of it but I'm still slightly confused. I'm going for an adamant tyranitar, 31/31/x/x/x/31. Obviously I'd want the best possible values for the x's.
I have the dittos for chain breeding, and I've already got the flawless HP larvitar and flawless att ditto currently in the daycare.... I know it's a little vague... but, well, what do I do from here? heh

EDIT I read up on the comments and I see why I was confused; I thought every spread written had already been studied, including which parent passes what IVs, and I assumed I just couldn't find this information. Then I realized this is still largely a work in progress and salute those of you who dedicate your time to this project. I myself would help had I the time and patience (and skill).

[Ozzie23]

So in that box with all the spreads, when it lists a bunch of spreads, the blue text below it is what's passed? How do we know which parent passes what?

[Gigaman.EXE]

I'm so confused...the list didn't work for me. I had this:
(I used HP/A/D/SA/SD/S)

Father:
Larvitar:
8/4/31/0/21/29

Mother:
Ditto:
17/19/14/3/24/20

Child:
Larvitar:
28/19/21/0/1/29

I was trying to breed a larvitar with a speed IV of 30 for later breeding of a nearly perfect tyranitar. So I picked frame 1074S and 1075 for the eggs. Those frames should be the following:
1074S: IVs: 27 / 4 / 21 / 18 / 6 / 30
1075: IVs: 0 / 19 / 1 / 18 / 6 / 30
(Attack and Special Defense pass. Unsure or whether HP or Defense passes)
This way, I thought the egg would have a speed IV of 30 because that one wouldn't be changed due to inheritance. Then I used emloop and timed everything out and got a child larvitar with the IVs mentioned earlier. But it looks like attack, special attack, and speed were passed. But those are nearly 4 seconds off from 1074S, which is 17.89 seconds. I thought this to be peculiar.

So I looked at the list in the first post. According to that, the frame where attack, special attack, and speed were inherited are:
875S: IVs: 0 / 20 / 12 / 25 / 12 / 7
876: IVs: 25 / 20 / 7 / 25 / 12 / 7
876S: IVs: 25 / 20 / 7 / 13 / 25 / 1
877: IVs: 7 / 25 / 12 / 13 / 25 / 1
877S: IVs: 7 / 25 / 12 / 5 / 14 / 7
878: IVs: 1 / 13 / 25 / 5 / 14 / 7
878S: IVs: 1 / 13 / 25 / 23 / 1 / 13
879: IVs: 7 / 5 / 14 / 23 / 1 / 13
879S: IVs: 7 / 5 / 14 / 9 / 7 / 9
880: IVs: 13 / 23 / 1 / 9 / 7 / 9
880S: IVs: 13 / 23 / 1 / 7 / 9 / 5
881: IVs: 9 / 9 / 7 / 7 / 9 / 5
881S: IVs: 9 / 9 / 7 / 12 / 12 / 22
882: IVs: 5 / 7 / 9 / 12 / 12 / 22
882S: IVs: 5 / 7 / 9 / 11 / 26 / 15
883: IVs: 22 / 12 / 12 / 11 / 26 / 15
883S: IVs: 22 / 12 / 12 / 16 / 2 / 17
884: IVs: 15 / 11 / 26 / 16 / 2 / 17
884S: IVs: 15 / 11 / 26 / 4 / 27 / 27
885: IVs: 17 / 16 / 2 / 4 / 27 / 27
885S: IVs: 17 / 16 / 2 / 17 / 18 / 11
886: IVs: 27 / 4 / 27 / 17 / 18 / 11
886S: IVs: 27 / 4 / 27 / 29 / 25 / 11
887: IVs: 11 / 17 / 18 / 29 / 25 / 11
887S: IVs: 11 / 17 / 18 / 21 / 18 / 6
888: IVs: 11 / 29 / 25 / 21 / 18 / 6
888S: IVs: 11 / 29 / 25 / 2 / 11 / 0
889: IVs: 6 / 21 / 18 / 2 / 11 / 0
889S: IVs: 6 / 21 / 18 / 8 / 2 / 3
890: IVs: 0 / 2 / 11 / 8 / 2 / 3
890S: IVs: 0 / 2 / 11 / 5 / 20 / 16
891: IVs: 3 / 8 / 2 / 5 / 20 / 16
891S: IVs: 3 / 8 / 2 / 9 / 28 / 20
892: IVs: 16 / 5 / 20 / 9 / 28 / 20
892S: IVs: 16 / 5 / 20 / 14 / 15 / 24
893: IVs: 20 / 9 / 28 / 14 / 15 / 24
Inherited IVs: Attack, SpAttack, and Speed
But I could not find the baby larvitar's IVs of HP 28, defense 21, and special defense 1 anywhere there. I assumed the line that says the inheritance is supposed to be under the groups of IVs where it occurs. But I check the groups of IVs under that line just in case. I could not find the spread there either. So what happened? Why can't the spread I got be found? Why is the group I got (attack, special attack, speed) nowhere near the one I was aiming for? (nearly 4 seconds off). I used emloop and metalkid's IV calculator for everything. Finally, could someone explain to me how to use the breeding part of the emloop calculators?

[mingot**]

When there are inheritance listed under a spread it is not for a group, but for that one single spread. The others where there is nothing were unknown at the time.

emloop can show you inheritance, though, and there is a guide in this forum so check that out.

additionally rng reporter can also show the inheritance for all spreads, there is a link to that in the emerald prng thread.

Good luck.

[Gigaman.EXE]

Originally Posted by Fat mingot

When there are inheritance listed under a spread it is not for a group, but for that one single spread. The others where there is nothing were unknown at the time.

emloop can show you inheritance, though, and there is a guide in this forum so check that out.

additionally rng reporter can also show the inheritance for all spreads, there is a link to that in the emerald prng thread.

Good luck.

It all makes sense now. Thanks, I appreciate it.

[Ricola]

I don't know if i understood this xD
so if i want this spread 1100: IVs: 28 / 30 / 21 / 0 / 27 / 27 i must wait about 18.333 seconds?
Defense, Speed, and Special Defense passed
and if both parents have this IVs x/x/31/x/31/31
then their kid will have 28/30/31/0/31/31?

[Sparko]

hey guys, I've been trying to hit the 31/4/31/A/A/B (2391F) spread for quite a while now and in the process I've gotten its split 31/B/31/B/23/28 for at least 4 times now :/ its getting quite annoying... does anyone know why I keep getting splits now? yesterday I was nailing the spread I wanted consistently but now I'm getting only this split :/ any help would be appreciated, thanks

[wooooood]

this has been pretty inactive for some time but I had a couple questions if anyone reads this still.
1) I've noticed that there's a brief white screen in between SRing and the black start screen. Do I still start the stopwatch right away anyways?
2) Do you recommend counting up or counting down with the watch? Basically, timer or stopwatch?
3) Is this inactive because Platinum rng is just as easy to hack for IVs?

[~Eon~]

Will you guys every make a "Emerald RNG Abuse For Dummies"? Like i have no idea what you guys are talking about and i never bred for pokemon much either. Plus i dont know japanese :(

[mikeeeey]

How do I know the timing for each spread and how do I know the Slot order, the pokemon need to be in??

[rigadoog]

This may sound like a stupid question, but when you are RNG abusing for IVs in Emerald, how do you wait get your time down to your target frame, and then how do you make sure that you don't miss your target frame?

The method that I have been using is:

1. Put compatable parents in daycare
2. Ride bike until man has egg
3. Save in front of man
4. SR, hold down Start+Select+A, then start timer at the same time I press B
5. Go through "Press Start" crap, tapping A as fast as possible
6. Go through Daycare man's crap as fast as possible, until he asks if you want the egg
7. Accept egg, press A after "(Player) received the egg."
8. Wait on "Take good care of it." screen until target time, watching the stopwatch
9. Press A at target time to hit target frame.
Note: I also try to stop my timer at the exact same time that I pick up the egg to see if I landed near my target time.

I have not successfully RNG abused on Emerald for IVs yet, so I think I could be doing something wrong. If this is the correct procedure, my next action would be to use parents with IVs that I know, go for a spread, and see how far off I was.

[mikeeeey]

Originally Posted by Fat rigadoog

This may sound like a stupid question, but when you are RNG abusing for IVs in Emerald, how do you wait get your time down to your target frame, and then how do you make sure that you don't miss your target frame?

The method that I have been using is:

1. Put compatable parents in daycare
2. Ride bike until man has egg
3. Save in front of man
4. SR, hold down Start+Select+A, then start timer at the same time I press B
5. Go through "Press Start" crap, tapping A as fast as possible
6. Go through Daycare man's crap as fast as possible, until he asks if you want the egg
7. Accept egg, press A after "(Player) received the egg."
8. Wait on "Take good care of it." screen until target time, watching the stopwatch
9. Press A at target time to hit target frame.
Note: I also try to stop my timer at the exact same time that I pick up the egg to see if I landed near my target time.

I have not successfully RNG abused on Emerald for IVs yet, so I think I could be doing something wrong. If this is the correct procedure, my next action would be to use parents with IVs that I know, go for a spread, and see how far off I was.

I've been doing the same thing as you.
I've had no luck either :(
I don't know what order the parents go in, which IV's pass from those orders, how to work out the timing for the spreads and it's so hard to get the exact timing you want!!
GRR!
They say it's much easier than DPPt abusing but it seems very unlikely to hit the timing that close whenever required.

[mingot**]

Originally Posted by Fat Ricola

I don't know if i understood this xD
so if i want this spread 1100: IVs: 28 / 30 / 21 / 0 / 27 / 27 i must wait about 18.333 seconds?
Defense, Speed, and Special Defense passed
and if both parents have this IVs x/x/31/x/31/31
then their kid will have 28/30/31/0/31/31?

That's right, but you should really be using a breeding list to know what parent gives what IV. Or emloop, or even better RNG Reporter.

Originally Posted by Fat Sparko

hey guys, I've been trying to hit the 31/4/31/A/A/B (2391F) spread for quite a while now and in the process I've gotten its split 31/B/31/B/23/28 for at least 4 times now :/ its getting quite annoying... does anyone know why I keep getting splits now? yesterday I was nailing the spread I wanted consistently but now I'm getting only this split :/ any help would be appreciated, thanks

Not a lot you can do. Have had this happen and it basically sucks. Try turning the game all the way off.

Originally Posted by Fat wooooood

this has been pretty inactive for some time but I had a couple questions if anyone reads this still.
1) I've noticed that there's a brief white screen in between SRing and the black start screen. Do I still start the stopwatch right away anyways?

Yes. Or no. It really does not matter much as long as you do the exact same thing EVERY time. I suggest starting the watch at the same time as you reset if you can manage it.

2) Do you recommend counting up or counting down with the watch? Basically, timer or stopwatch?

Whatever works for you. Pie or cake?

3) Is this inactive because Platinum rng is just as easy to hack for IVs?

It's not really inactive ... But this has been out a lot longer so I tend to think a lot of old timers already know how to do all of this.

Originally Posted by Fat ~Eon~

Will you guys every make a "Emerald RNG Abuse For Dummies"? Like i have no idea what you guys are talking about and i never bred for pokemon much either. Plus i dont know japanese :(

An actual set of guides for this is now underway, I'm glad to say. Arseus will be spearheading the effort and I will be helping out with some portions.

Originally Posted by Fat mikeeeey

How do I know the timing for each spread and how do I know the Slot order, the pokemon need to be in??

Use emloop or rng reporter. A = first pokemon put in daycare. B = second slot put in daycare.

Timing is generally (frame / 60), but you adjust.

Lets say you want something on frame 1200 (20 seconds) and you get the egg at 20 seconds. Check the frame. If it was 1260 then you know you want to subtract about a second. After 2 or 3 runs you should be getting within 10 to 20 of your target frame every time.

Originally Posted by Fat rigadoog

This may sound like a stupid question, but when you are RNG abusing for IVs in Emerald, how do you wait get your time down to your target frame, and then how do you make sure that you don't miss your target frame?

The method that I have been using is:

1. Put compatable parents in daycare
2. Ride bike until man has egg
3. Save in front of man
4. SR, hold down Start+Select+A, then start timer at the same time I press B
5. Go through "Press Start" crap, tapping A as fast as possible
6. Go through Daycare man's crap as fast as possible, until he asks if you want the egg
7. Accept egg, press A after "(Player) received the egg."
8. Wait on "Take good care of it." screen until target time, watching the stopwatch
9. Press A at target time to hit target frame.
Note: I also try to stop my timer at the exact same time that I pick up the egg to see if I landed near my target time.

I have not successfully RNG abused on Emerald for IVs yet, so I think I could be doing something wrong. If this is the correct procedure, my next action would be to use parents with IVs that I know, go for a spread, and see how far off I was.

Uh, that should be your first step. You're basically shooting blind if you don't actually see what you DID get....

Originally Posted by Fat mikeeeey

I've been doing the same thing as you.
I've had no luck either :(
I don't know what order the parents go in, which IV's pass from those orders, how to work out the timing for the spreads and it's so hard to get the exact timing you want!!
GRR!
They say it's much easier than DPPt abusing but it seems very unlikely to hit the timing that close whenever required.

Again, you guys are doing it all wrong.

Emerald breeding the way you are doing it like shooting hoops blindfolded and NOT at least having someone to tell you if you were off to the left, or the right, etc.

Figure out where you landed and what you actually hit and adjust from there.

Cmon, folks engage the brain.

[mikeeeey]

Originally Posted by Fat mingot

An actual set of guides for this is now underway, I'm glad to say. Arseus will be spearheading the effort and I will be helping out with some portions.


That's what I need ^^
Something detailed like your DPPt RNG thread.



Use emloop or rng reporter. A = first pokemon put in daycare. B = second slot put in daycare.

Timing is generally (frame / 60), but you adjust.

Lets say you want something on frame 1200 (20 seconds) and you get the egg at 20 seconds. Check the frame. If it was 1260 then you know you want to subtract about a second. After 2 or 3 runs you should be getting within 10 to 20 of your target frame every time.

Not sure what emloop is :/
I use RNG Reporter for DPPt abusing but I'm sure sure how to use it for emerald :(

I figured out the timing like that too and I think at that point I was doing everything right (except knowing which parent passes which IV's) but after several attempts I never got close enough to the target time.

I tried Frame 944 a lot, knowing that I needed 15.73 seconds but the closest I'd get is stuff like 15.86 or 15.67 and I know they are different frames.
I just can't seem to get it exact enough :(

Uh, that should be your first step. You're basically shooting blind if you don't actually see what you DID get....



Again, you guys are doing it all wrong.

Emerald breeding the way you are doing it like shooting hoops blindfolded and NOT at least having someone to tell you if you were off to the left, or the right, etc.

Figure out where you landed and what you actually hit and adjust from there.

Cmon, folks engage the brain.

If you're saying to check the IV's to determine which wrong frame was gotten, I've done that and nothing is similar in the frame area even in the slightest and I know I'm not doing the reseting wrong.. I'm just getting off with the timing and not knowing which parent passes what.

[mingot**]

Originally Posted by Fat mikeeeey

If you're saying to check the IV's to determine which wrong frame was gotten, I've done that and nothing is similar in the frame area even in the slightest and I know I'm not doing the reseting wrong.. I'm just getting off with the timing and not knowing which parent passes what.

Ok, then pick "Emerald Breeding" in RNG Reporter .... Instead of the DPPt options. That will show you what parent passes what and make it possible to find out what frame you got.

[rigadoog]

Originally Posted by Fat mikeeeey

If you're saying to check the IV's to determine which wrong frame was gotten, I've done that and nothing is similar in the frame area even in the slightest and I know I'm not doing the reseting wrong.. I'm just getting off with the timing and not knowing which parent passes what.

Also, if you're having trouble timing, you should definitely be using the Emloop timer, I just started using it and you wouldn't believe how much easier it makes it. Here is MrSableye's guide to Emloop in case you need help using the timer http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53886