A PR session for PR

Tangerine · Jan 28th, 2009, 3:37:01 PM

Obviously, our system isn't perfect, neither is our characteristics, and many of these users who have these criticisms don't have access to PR.

Would it be a worthwhile idea to open a thread in Stark so users can critique, comment, concerns, etc about the things that we have decided in PR (Char. of Uber, Suspect Test)? I wouldn't mind running it this weekend (Saturday). Partly I'm rather irked at users bringing it up randomly in discussions and I'm curious to hear their thoughts as long as their username does not start with "Chris"

Either that or I can make an announcement in Stark telling users to send PMs and such and we can answer the critiques or consider them in some way.

Worthwhile?

**kd24** · Jan 28th, 2009, 3:58:08 PM

would users that show extreme intelligence and have an understanding / good arguements of PR and some of the topics in there be granted access? This would be a good way to drag even more people out of their hiding places and give them a reason to comment on what is happening. This would probably keep it much more civil and I am sure there are a few unrecognized users out there who deserve to go into PR so this could be their chance.

edit: i also would like to hear what non policy reviewers think of our current OoO.

david stone · Jan 28th, 2009, 4:01:49 PM

It seems to me that it would be better for people to just make a new thread for each topic they want to talk about. One big "discuss every policy issue in Pokemon" thread seems horribly disorganized.

Caelum · Jan 28th, 2009, 4:03:04 PM

Every time I've seen someone criticize a decision made in PR (outside of PR I mean) it usually ends up with various people with PR access patronizingly lecturing them. I don't want to see a thread of users complaining and then people lecturing them, that just seems pointless. I wouldn't mind this necessarily happening but I'd like to see the back-and-forth go a bit differently than it has in other threads.

If people have true concerns couldn't they also just make a thread themselves in Stark?

Edit: Also agreeing with Obi.

Edit 2: At times, those people may "deserve" to be lectured, but if that's going to be the thread it's just rather pointless. Wanted to make that clear that some people deserve it.

***Great Sage***** · Jan 28th, 2009, 5:11:05 PM

For concerns that Obi and Caelum cited, I don't think this is a good idea.

X-Act · Jan 29th, 2009, 1:57:24 AM

I tried to do this with my diversity numbers, in the sense that I tried to involve the general community instead of PR members only in its discussion.

Instead of posting it in PR, I deemed it to be better to post it in Stark and see what the general community wants to say about it. I actually got quite a few good responses, which allowed me to refine and improve them. I think it was a worthwhile experiment to conduct.

However, I'd like to tell everyone that if you expect not to get ANY criticism for whatever you do, you're disillusioned. Whatever you do, people will point out its good things and its bad things, because, hey, nothing and nobody is perfect ultimately. The only way to try to avoid criticism is not to do anything... and then people will criticise you for not doing anything!

Jan 28th, 2009, 3:37:01 PM	#1
Tangerine Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 3,132	A PR session for PR Obviously, our system isn't perfect, neither is our characteristics, and many of these users who have these criticisms don't have access to PR. Would it be a worthwhile idea to open a thread in Stark so users can critique, comment, concerns, etc about the things that we have decided in PR (Char. of Uber, Suspect Test)? I wouldn't mind running it this weekend (Saturday). Partly I'm rather irked at users bringing it up randomly in discussions and I'm curious to hear their thoughts as long as their username does not start with "Chris" Either that or I can make an announcement in Stark telling users to send PMs and such and we can answer the critiques or consider them in some way. Worthwhile?

Jan 28th, 2009, 4:01:49 PM	#3
david stone Fast-moving, smart, sexy and alarming. Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 5,152	It seems to me that it would be better for people to just make a new thread for each topic they want to talk about. One big "discuss every policy issue in Pokemon" thread seems horribly disorganized. __________________ Previously obi. Technical Machine, a Pokemon AI. "Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory. Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat." - Sun Tzu

Jan 28th, 2009, 4:03:04 PM	#4
Caelum qibz official stalker Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,656 good question	Every time I've seen someone criticize a decision made in PR (outside of PR I mean) it usually ends up with various people with PR access patronizingly lecturing them. I don't want to see a thread of users complaining and then people lecturing them, that just seems pointless. I wouldn't mind this necessarily happening but I'd like to see the back-and-forth go a bit differently than it has in other threads. If people have true concerns couldn't they also just make a thread themselves in Stark? Edit: Also agreeing with Obi. Edit 2: At times, those people may "deserve" to be lectured, but if that's going to be the thread it's just rather pointless. Wanted to make that clear that some people deserve it. Last edited by Caelum; Jan 28th, 2009 at 4:15:51 PM.

Jan 29th, 2009, 1:57:24 AM	#6
X-Act np: Biffy Clyro - Shock Shock Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 4,679 Malta	I tried to do this with my diversity numbers, in the sense that I tried to involve the general community instead of PR members only in its discussion. Instead of posting it in PR, I deemed it to be better to post it in Stark and see what the general community wants to say about it. I actually got quite a few good responses, which allowed me to refine and improve them. I think it was a worthwhile experiment to conduct. However, I'd like to tell everyone that if you expect not to get ANY criticism for whatever you do, you're disillusioned. Whatever you do, people will point out its good things and its bad things, because, hey, nothing and nobody is perfect ultimately. The only way to try to avoid criticism is not to do anything... and then people will criticise you for not doing anything! __________________ http://users.smogon.com/X-Act For all your Pokemon needs (and more!) including: the Defensive EVs applet, the Probabilities of Breeding IVs in Pokemon applet, and the Ratings of Pokemon Base Stats applet (now Version 2.0!). And also the IV to PID applet!

Jan 28th, 2009, 3:58:08 PM	#2
kd24 Surprise Mother Fucker Moderator Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 4,769 HOME	would users that show extreme intelligence and have an understanding / good arguements of PR and some of the topics in there be granted access? This would be a good way to drag even more people out of their hiding places and give them a reason to comment on what is happening. This would probably keep it much more civil and I am sure there are a few unrecognized users out there who deserve to go into PR so this could be their chance. edit: i also would like to hear what non policy reviewers think of our current OoO.

Jan 28th, 2009, 5:11:05 PM	#5
*Great Sage* Administrator** Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 5,872 Boston, MA Mentor	For concerns that Obi and Caelum cited, I don't think this is a good idea.