Most Generation PRNG Help / Information - Page 12

***mingot***** · Mar 29th, 2009, 2:43:11 PM

@ Jonny

advanced by only one frame and caught a new (different) zapdos.

Of course you did. You advanced a frame. You caught the next pokemon.

Calcpid gives you the seed for 6 calls past the initial RNG call for the monster (remember your list is backwards since it's inverse calls) and mine gives you the number to actually feed in and regenerate the same monster.

Seriously, can we quit discussing this? It's pointless. The "monster seed" is not useful for anything and I've already got accurtate initial seeding worked out, soooo....

@ Artemis --

Right now the functionality is really only useful for figuring out what your initial seed was which won't help you catch legends. And we're really not at a place where we know how to reliably do that yet, sooo...

Wiil · Mar 29th, 2009, 2:49:22 PM

So we don't know how to SR legends yet with this method? Well, is there any info going towards it yet? If there is, I can try to do some testing on what we have now.

Also, does that mean that I can't use the things I just found yet? Because that really sucks. That would make an epic Gira-O.

LightningFusion · Mar 29th, 2009, 3:16:15 PM

Thanks for making such a nice guide mingot.

Artemis - you could try getting the Gira-O but you might fail.

thetorsoboy · Mar 29th, 2009, 3:19:31 PM

Okay, testing egg PID generation.

Approximate Starting Time: March 29th, 2009. 12:44.
ID: 18491
SID: 14708

Wild Pokemon Caught: Staravia
Nature: Gentle
IVs: 16/27/4/23/8/21
PID: D505F181

Initial Seed: 8D0C026A

Egg Obtained without doing anything. No Poketech changes, nothing, just obtaining it. (AKA: Coin Tosses: 0) And, yes, egg was generated after I reset the game, so with the inital seed listed above.

Nature: Timid
IVs: 17/19/27/20/31/0
PID: B34930B4

After one coin toss, then getting another egg: (AKA: Coin Tosses: 1)

Nature: Hardy
IVs: 11/14/21/31/31/15
PID: 7E7A52AF

Another Coin Toss, then getting egg: (AKA: Coin Tosses: 2)

Nature: Naughty
IVs: 5/31/7/7/8/25
PID: 6BD2827

And of course, all PIDs were checked after I was done with Pokesav. All this was done in one reset.

As for parents, it was a random Magikarp and Ben's ditto holding nothing.

LightningFusion · Mar 29th, 2009, 3:21:05 PM

To answer someones question earlier, everstone still works. I'm not sure if it affects you getting a shiny or not.

Has anyone else successfully gotten a shiny?

Pink · Mar 29th, 2009, 3:22:34 PM

Can you set the shinyness, and every egg after that is shiny? Or does it only work once?

And if anyone knows the Fast Hatch code for Plat, I can't find it. It just won't work for me. PM me to help please?

***mingot***** · Mar 29th, 2009, 3:24:54 PM

Awesome awesome torso (who cant get calcpid.exe to give him "the list") ...

00009‰ñ–Ú,7E7A52AF,‚ª‚ñ‚Î‚è‚â,2,175

00011‰ñ–Ú,06BD2827,‚â‚ñ‚¿‚á ,2,039

Those are your two results, right there.

Why they start at 9, I am not sure yet.

LightningFusion · Mar 29th, 2009, 3:25:05 PM

Hey pink, the code I found for it doesn't work either so pm me when you find one too.

I have 642 for torso's first shiny pokemon.

thetorsoboy · Mar 29th, 2009, 3:28:59 PM

Could someone upload the Calcpid.exe thing and rehost it or something? It doesn't work for me.

I'd like to do more testing, but I need it to work. Doing more tests now.

***mingot***** · Mar 29th, 2009, 3:37:37 PM

Torso, try opening the zip folder via windows (right click zip file) and "explore". and then copy it ALL out into a folder.

I think you didnt create folders and it cant create its text files.

thetorsoboy · Mar 29th, 2009, 3:41:43 PM

Okay, thanks. But that made it so I lost all the data I just typed in, dammit.

And, that didn't work either, which is fucking pissing me off.

LightningFusion · Mar 29th, 2009, 3:41:49 PM

I believe you can't use everstone when getting a shiny egg. I have tried 3 times and all have failed.

Syberia · Mar 29th, 2009, 3:44:53 PM

Everstone will artificially advance the RNG to the next spread with the desired nature, so I can see it messing with things. Does it mess with shiny eggs even when the nature of the PID would be the same as the nature of the mother holding the Everstone?

thetorsoboy · Mar 29th, 2009, 3:48:14 PM

Well, the Everstone does two things:

1) Calls the RNG for the 50% chance.
2) Then changes to a different spread if that works.

So it could mess with it twice. *shrug*

Pink · Mar 29th, 2009, 3:51:25 PM

It doesn't like my seed... I put it in and get an error.

"730C026D" ????????????????

Am I doing something wrong?

LightningFusion · Mar 29th, 2009, 3:51:59 PM

Syberia- not sure if the pid would result in the right nature + everstone for it because I never checked. I may have found the fast hatch and fast egg code.

Pink - you need to have 0x(Seed)

Pink · Mar 29th, 2009, 3:54:46 PM

Thanks! It worked now.

00492‰ñ–Ú,D8C2B24E,‚¹‚Á‚©‚¿ ,1,078,š
10383‰ñ–Ú,EB5281DF,‚Ì‚¤‚Ä‚ñ‚«,2,223,š
15267‰ñ–Ú,4F1D2594,‚¢‚¶‚Á‚Ï‚è,1,148,š
27692‰ñ–Ú,EDF98776,‚Ì‚¤‚Ä‚ñ‚«,1,118,š

I'm guessing I should do the 492 one?

thetorsoboy · Mar 29th, 2009, 3:55:12 PM

Thanks a bunch, Lightning. That solves my problem, too! :D

LightningFusion · Mar 29th, 2009, 3:55:13 PM

Yeah, you are lucky too. All of mine have been 1500+.

Pink · Mar 29th, 2009, 3:56:10 PM

492 is the frame, right? If it is, it's divisible by 12, which is nice xD

LightningFusion · Mar 29th, 2009, 3:58:08 PM

Yes. So you have to go from app 5 to 6 then double tap 40 times.

thetorsoboy · Mar 29th, 2009, 4:00:14 PM

Anyways, second test.

Approximate Starting Time: March 29th, 2009. 13:25.

Wild Pokemon Caught: Bibarel
Nature: Mild
IVs: 31/27/823/29/16
PID: 7425CA42

Egg obtained, nothing else done but catching the Bibarel:

Nature: Serious
IVs: 1/31/023/8/18
PID: 592ADFBC

And when I look in the list for it:

00001‰ñ–Ú,592ADFBC,‚Ü‚¶‚ß ,1,188

Conclusion: Egg count does indeed start at one... I suppose that something I did in the first test advanced the RNG by 9, but I'm not sure what that was.

LightningFusion · Mar 29th, 2009, 4:03:18 PM

Maybe you had 4 pokemon in party and went to app 6 (+8 from 1 to get 9).

Pink · Mar 29th, 2009, 4:10:23 PM

00001‰ñ–Ú,A1E29DE5,‚í‚ñ‚Ï‚* ,2,229
00002‰ñ–Ú,FF419F62,‚È‚Ü‚¢‚« ,1,098
00003‰ñ–Ú,67106A97,‚¹‚Á‚©‚¿ ,2,151
00004‰ñ–Ú,F7551367,‚â‚ñ‚¿‚á ,2,103
00005‰ñ–Ú,FDD81320,‚¨‚¾‚â‚© ,1,032
00006‰ñ–Ú,184B2744,‚¹‚Á‚©‚¿ ,1,068
00007‰ñ–Ú,F0CA6942,‚í‚ñ‚Ï‚* ,1,066
00008‰ñ–Ú,3F9C117E,‚ä‚¤‚©‚ñ ,1,126
00009‰ñ–Ú,41B9B8DB,‚µ‚ñ‚¿‚å‚¤,2,219
00010‰ñ–Ú,33C840CE,‚·‚È‚¨ ,1,206

It goes from one up.

EDIT: No shiny! >:O grrrr. Should I start over by catching a pokemon?

thetorsoboy · Mar 29th, 2009, 4:12:15 PM

Yeah, Mingot and I concluded that. So, a lot of things advance the RNG, it seems, so saving with the Friendship checker app open is a good way to start. That or the Coin Toss, depending how far away the spread is.

Mar 29th, 2009, 2:43:11 PM	#276
*mingot* free agent Administrator** Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 3,045	@ Jonny advanced by only one frame and caught a new (different) zapdos. Of course you did. You advanced a frame. You caught the next pokemon. Calcpid gives you the seed for 6 calls past the initial RNG call for the monster (remember your list is backwards since it's inverse calls) and mine gives you the number to actually feed in and regenerate the same monster. Seriously, can we quit discussing this? It's pointless. The "monster seed" is not useful for anything and I've already got accurtate initial seeding worked out, soooo.... @ Artemis -- Right now the functionality is really only useful for figuring out what your initial seed was which won't help you catch legends. And we're really not at a place where we know how to reliably do that yet, sooo... __________________ Check out the new In-Game section! RNG Reporter/RNG Help Thread (Discuss) RNG Research Thread

Mar 29th, 2009, 2:49:22 PM	#277
Wiil Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 444 North Carolina	So we don't know how to SR legends yet with this method? Well, is there any info going towards it yet? If there is, I can try to do some testing on what we have now. Also, does that mean that I can't use the things I just found yet? Because that really sucks. That would make an epic Gira-O. __________________ BEST SR TO DATE: Jolly #492 TRU Shaymin: 29 / 31 / 28 / x / 31 / 31 - Now a physical SubSeed Shaymin Previously known as Artemis Fowl

Mar 29th, 2009, 3:16:15 PM	#278
LightningFusion Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,781 Michigan	Thanks for making such a nice guide mingot. Artemis - you could try getting the Gira-O but you might fail. __________________ Diamond Name: Fus!on FC: 2321 1627 1150 Nookington's

Mar 29th, 2009, 3:19:31 PM	#279
thetorsoboy Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 2,301	Okay, testing egg PID generation. Approximate Starting Time: March 29th, 2009. 12:44. ID: 18491 SID: 14708 Wild Pokemon Caught: Staravia Nature: Gentle IVs: 16/27/4/23/8/21 PID: D505F181 Initial Seed: 8D0C026A Egg Obtained without doing anything. No Poketech changes, nothing, just obtaining it. (AKA: Coin Tosses: 0) And, yes, egg was generated after I reset the game, so with the inital seed listed above. Nature: Timid IVs: 17/19/27/20/31/0 PID: B34930B4 After one coin toss, then getting another egg: (AKA: Coin Tosses: 1) Nature: Hardy IVs: 11/14/21/31/31/15 PID: 7E7A52AF Another Coin Toss, then getting egg: (AKA: Coin Tosses: 2) Nature: Naughty IVs: 5/31/7/7/8/25 PID: 6BD2827 And of course, all PIDs were checked after I was done with Pokesav. All this was done in one reset. As for parents, it was a random Magikarp and Ben's ditto holding nothing. __________________ Coming back with a vengeance. 2013.

Mar 29th, 2009, 3:21:05 PM	#280
LightningFusion Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,781 Michigan	To answer someones question earlier, everstone still works. I'm not sure if it affects you getting a shiny or not. Has anyone else successfully gotten a shiny? __________________ Diamond Name: Fus!on FC: 2321 1627 1150 Nookington's

Mar 29th, 2009, 3:22:34 PM	#281
Pink Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,576 UMass Amherst	Can you set the shinyness, and every egg after that is shiny? Or does it only work once? And if anyone knows the Fast Hatch code for Plat, I can't find it. It just won't work for me. PM me to help please? __________________ Name: Pink FC: 3179 2610 3046 Pink's shoppe Now trading through PM. Win my thread! Amazing avatar by Headpunch!

Mar 29th, 2009, 3:24:54 PM	#282
*mingot* free agent Administrator** Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 3,045	Awesome awesome torso (who cant get calcpid.exe to give him "the list") ... 00009‰ñ–Ú,7E7A52AF,‚ª‚ñ‚Î‚è‚â,2,175 00011‰ñ–Ú,06BD2827,‚â‚ñ‚¿‚á ,2,039 Those are your two results, right there. Why they start at 9, I am not sure yet. __________________ Check out the new In-Game section! RNG Reporter/RNG Help Thread (Discuss) RNG Research Thread

Mar 29th, 2009, 3:25:05 PM	#283
LightningFusion Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,781 Michigan	Hey pink, the code I found for it doesn't work either so pm me when you find one too. I have 642 for torso's first shiny pokemon. __________________ Diamond Name: Fus!on FC: 2321 1627 1150 Nookington's

Mar 29th, 2009, 3:28:59 PM	#284
thetorsoboy Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 2,301	Could someone upload the Calcpid.exe thing and rehost it or something? It doesn't work for me. I'd like to do more testing, but I need it to work. Doing more tests now. __________________ Coming back with a vengeance. 2013.

Mar 29th, 2009, 3:37:37 PM	#285
*mingot* free agent Administrator** Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 3,045	Torso, try opening the zip folder via windows (right click zip file) and "explore". and then copy it ALL out into a folder. I think you didnt create folders and it cant create its text files. __________________ Check out the new In-Game section! RNG Reporter/RNG Help Thread (Discuss) RNG Research Thread

Mar 29th, 2009, 3:41:43 PM	#286
thetorsoboy Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 2,301	Okay, thanks. But that made it so I lost all the data I just typed in, dammit. And, that didn't work either, which is fucking pissing me off. __________________ Coming back with a vengeance. 2013.

Mar 29th, 2009, 3:41:49 PM	#287
LightningFusion Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,781 Michigan	I believe you can't use everstone when getting a shiny egg. I have tried 3 times and all have failed. __________________ Diamond Name: Fus!on FC: 2321 1627 1150 Nookington's

Mar 29th, 2009, 3:44:53 PM	#288
Syberia Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 4,915 Irvine, CA	Everstone will artificially advance the RNG to the next spread with the desired nature, so I can see it messing with things. Does it mess with shiny eggs even when the nature of the PID would be the same as the nature of the mother holding the Everstone? __________________ Black/White Friend Code: 1721 2578 4968 My Pokemon \| Free Pokemon \| YouTube \| Wonder Cards (now with Movie Celebis for Platinum and HG/SS!)

Mar 29th, 2009, 3:48:14 PM	#289
thetorsoboy Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 2,301	Well, the Everstone does two things: 1) Calls the RNG for the 50% chance. 2) Then changes to a different spread if that works. So it could mess with it twice. shrug __________________ Coming back with a vengeance. 2013.

Mar 29th, 2009, 3:51:25 PM	#290
Pink Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,576 UMass Amherst	It doesn't like my seed... I put it in and get an error. "730C026D" ???????????????? Am I doing something wrong? __________________ Name: Pink FC: 3179 2610 3046 Pink's shoppe Now trading through PM. Win my thread! Amazing avatar by Headpunch!

Mar 29th, 2009, 3:51:59 PM	#291
LightningFusion Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,781 Michigan	Syberia- not sure if the pid would result in the right nature + everstone for it because I never checked. I may have found the fast hatch and fast egg code. Pink - you need to have 0x(Seed) __________________ Diamond Name: Fus!on FC: 2321 1627 1150 Nookington's

Mar 29th, 2009, 3:54:46 PM	#292
Pink Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,576 UMass Amherst	Thanks! It worked now. 00492‰ñ–Ú,D8C2B24E,‚¹‚Á‚©‚¿ ,1,078,š 10383‰ñ–Ú,EB5281DF,‚Ì‚¤‚Ä‚ñ‚«,2,223,š 15267‰ñ–Ú,4F1D2594,‚¢‚¶‚Á‚Ï‚è,1,148,š 27692‰ñ–Ú,EDF98776,‚Ì‚¤‚Ä‚ñ‚«,1,118,š I'm guessing I should do the 492 one? __________________ Name: Pink FC: 3179 2610 3046 Pink's shoppe Now trading through PM. Win my thread! Amazing avatar by Headpunch!

Mar 29th, 2009, 3:55:12 PM	#293
thetorsoboy Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 2,301	Thanks a bunch, Lightning. That solves my problem, too! :D __________________ Coming back with a vengeance. 2013.

Mar 29th, 2009, 3:55:13 PM	#294
LightningFusion Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,781 Michigan	Yeah, you are lucky too. All of mine have been 1500+. __________________ Diamond Name: Fus!on FC: 2321 1627 1150 Nookington's

Mar 29th, 2009, 3:56:10 PM	#295
Pink Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,576 UMass Amherst	492 is the frame, right? If it is, it's divisible by 12, which is nice xD __________________ Name: Pink FC: 3179 2610 3046 Pink's shoppe Now trading through PM. Win my thread! Amazing avatar by Headpunch!

Mar 29th, 2009, 3:58:08 PM	#296
LightningFusion Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,781 Michigan	Yes. So you have to go from app 5 to 6 then double tap 40 times. __________________ Diamond Name: Fus!on FC: 2321 1627 1150 Nookington's

Mar 29th, 2009, 4:00:14 PM	#297
thetorsoboy Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 2,301	Anyways, second test. Approximate Starting Time: March 29th, 2009. 13:25. Wild Pokemon Caught: Bibarel Nature: Mild IVs: 31/27/823/29/16 PID: 7425CA42 Egg obtained, nothing else done but catching the Bibarel: Nature: Serious IVs: 1/31/023/8/18 PID: 592ADFBC And when I look in the list for it: 00001‰ñ–Ú,592ADFBC,‚Ü‚¶‚ß ,1,188 Conclusion: Egg count does indeed start at one... I suppose that something I did in the first test advanced the RNG by 9, but I'm not sure what that was. __________________ Coming back with a vengeance. 2013.

Mar 29th, 2009, 4:03:18 PM	#298
LightningFusion Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,781 Michigan	Maybe you had 4 pokemon in party and went to app 6 (+8 from 1 to get 9). __________________ Diamond Name: Fus!on FC: 2321 1627 1150 Nookington's

Mar 29th, 2009, 4:10:23 PM	#299
Pink Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,576 UMass Amherst	00001‰ñ–Ú,A1E29DE5,‚í‚ñ‚Ï‚* ,2,229 00002‰ñ–Ú,FF419F62,‚È‚Ü‚¢‚« ,1,098 00003‰ñ–Ú,67106A97,‚¹‚Á‚©‚¿ ,2,151 00004‰ñ–Ú,F7551367,‚â‚ñ‚¿‚á ,2,103 00005‰ñ–Ú,FDD81320,‚¨‚¾‚â‚© ,1,032 00006‰ñ–Ú,184B2744,‚¹‚Á‚©‚¿ ,1,068 00007‰ñ–Ú,F0CA6942,‚í‚ñ‚Ï‚* ,1,066 00008‰ñ–Ú,3F9C117E,‚ä‚¤‚©‚ñ ,1,126 00009‰ñ–Ú,41B9B8DB,‚µ‚ñ‚¿‚å‚¤,2,219 00010‰ñ–Ú,33C840CE,‚·‚È‚¨ ,1,206 It goes from one up. EDIT: No shiny! >:O grrrr. Should I start over by catching a pokemon? __________________ Name: Pink FC: 3179 2610 3046 Pink's shoppe Now trading through PM. Win my thread! Amazing avatar by Headpunch!

Mar 29th, 2009, 4:12:15 PM	#300
thetorsoboy Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 2,301	Yeah, Mingot and I concluded that. So, a lot of things advance the RNG, it seems, so saving with the Friendship checker app open is a good way to start. That or the Coin Toss, depending how far away the spread is. __________________ Coming back with a vengeance. 2013.