Most Generation PRNG Help / Information - Page 1351

riddlinkid · Mar 20th, 2011, 3:54:09 AM

Do you have roamers out? Because 20 flips will get you frame 41 when you pick up. It's the even frames you can't easily hit, not odd.

Cefiro · Mar 20th, 2011, 4:13:30 AM

When I said to advance to 41 I meant 43, my bad, and I am factoring in my roamer (there's one).

So as to the question being asked, is trying to advance frames via NPC as unreliable as it sounds? Should I just do 57 page flips with a delay I can't hit too well vs. doing 20 page flips and trying to get the NPC to cooperate on a delay I can hit well?

(The fact that I can only select 99 years affects which delay I can actually choose, so no, I can't change it that way.)

Thanks much.

riddlinkid · Mar 20th, 2011, 4:25:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Cefiro

When I said to advance to 41 I meant 43, my bad, and I am factoring in my roamer (there's one).

So as to the question being asked, is trying to advance frames via NPC as unreliable as it sounds? Should I just do 57 page flips with a delay I can't hit too well vs. doing 20 page flips and trying to get the NPC to cooperate on a delay I can hit well?

(The fact that I can only select 99 years affects which delay I can actually choose, so no, I can't change it that way.)

Thanks much.

From personal experience, it's not overly difficult to have an NPC get the correct 1 frame advance. You basically need them to do a single 90 degree turn. However, anything other than that will advance 2 frames, and sometimes the frame advances twice even if they don't move. If you hit the delay, but the NPC makes the wrong movement, try re-saving and they should move differently the next time you hit it. I guess from what you're saying it might be difficult for you either way...

Cefiro · Mar 20th, 2011, 4:31:21 AM

Thanks, I'll try to see how much the NPC hates me then. I can always go back to the other method I guess.

Or maybe I should just go ahead and capture my roamer. I don't really care about Mesprit, not a fan of the three, so I'll just not RNG it. Maybe there won't even be any future events for 4th gen, so I won't even have to RNG Wondercards and won't have to worry about having my preferred frame be even in the future.

Thanks a lot.

alih92 · Mar 20th, 2011, 8:57:46 AM

Any tips on Emerald RNG?
I'm doing a nuzlocke challenge and want a shiny starter :D.
My lowest Shiny frame is 903 - 15.05 seconds, I'm using VBA as it allows time speed up.

Mikey229 · Mar 21st, 2011, 12:15:04 AM

Sigh, I really want to try this method in order to get a decent Rufflet. Can anyone really dumb it down for me?

riddlinkid · Mar 21st, 2011, 12:38:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Mikey229

Sigh, I really want to try this method in order to get a decent Rufflet. Can anyone really dumb it down for me?

You need the Gen 5 thread for that.

Espeon92 · Mar 21st, 2011, 12:22:36 PM

T have a question, the starting frame of Lugia it's 1 ?

(sorry for my (very) bad english)

Troggy · Mar 21st, 2011, 12:38:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Espeon92

T have a question, the starting frame of Lugia it's 1 ?

(sorry for my (very) bad english)

Yep.

Espeon92 · Mar 21st, 2011, 12:44:06 PM

Ok thank you

SlaveOfTheMoon · Mar 21st, 2011, 5:53:07 PM

Just some simple questions.
First off, I am HGSS breeding. I do know my SID.

Out of all the tutorials i have read/watched there are still 2 questions bugging me.

1) I want to breed my perfect IV/ability/nature pokemon and decided to practive using my favorite pokemon, houndoom. From what I have gathered I need to go to time finder first, then 4th gen shiny egg. I put in the nature and whatnot I want, however the problem is that I don't want a shiny egg. Personally, I would rather just RNG my ability and nature into an egg, save, then RNG the IVs without any shinyness. Am i missing a tab or something?

2) I just want to confirm that I know what I am doing with pikatimer, since so far every guide I have read has been pretty vague on it.
- change the DS time to be the minute before RNG reporter tells me (so if RNG reporter wants 00:52:50 then I set the DS time to 00:52:00
- Start pikatimer and save the time change at the same time.
- Turn the DS back on and start my game.
- Soft reset whent eh first timer hits 0
- Press continue when the second timer hits 0
Is this correct? Again, may sound stupid, but I am just confirming.

Other than that, I pretty much know everything in theory and am just trying to apply it.

riddlinkid · Mar 21st, 2011, 7:24:39 PM

1) Just enter some numbers that aren't your SID. Or find your egg the normal way, then just RNG it for IVs. Or make it shiny, and trade it to a different game and hatch it there normally.
2) I only use emloop, but that sounds about right.

SlaveOfTheMoon · Mar 21st, 2011, 7:52:57 PM

Oh, so my SID is optional for this part of the RNG process? That's news to me, thanks. I'll just smash my face against the keyboard and be on my merry way. :)

riddlinkid · Mar 21st, 2011, 8:01:23 PM

Haha. Yeah, you only need to have your SID if you want to breed a shiny. Otherwise, it isn't necessary.

Exploits · Mar 21st, 2011, 8:04:17 PM

If you don't want it to be shiny then you don't need to enter your real SID. You would just enter random numbers.

SlaveOfTheMoon · Mar 21st, 2011, 8:30:56 PM

Okay, so then to make sure i am doing this right:
- Go to time finder
- 4th Gen Shiny egg
- SID not needed here, random number
- Put in ability, nature, and gender criteria
- Checkmark the HSS shiny egg box
- Generate
- Find something with the lowest frame (preferably 1, correct?)
- Copy seed to clipboard

- go to seed to time finder
- Paste seed
- Click the HGSS option
- Check the box for seconds and put in 50
- generate
- Choose anything below that I want?
- generate
- Choose anything I want from the below box?

As you can see, near the end I seem to be getting a tad lost.

Ophiuchus · Mar 21st, 2011, 8:41:32 PM

Hello. I'm having a problem trying to RNG abuse the roamers using the Elite Four method. I'm starting with Raikou, fainting it while Latios and Entei roam free so I can check my seed using the roamer method. I've hit my seed (7817080E) 4 times and advanced the frame what I thought was the right amount (since the frame I want is 20 I advance to frame 17 using the radio method, and according to what I believe the guide is telling me Raikou should spawn with the IVs and nature of the 3rd frame from 17, or frame 20, due to Entei and Latios roaming). However, every time I've done this the Raikou's nature and IVs have matched those belonging to frames 19 or 21 (I tried to stop after frame 16 once, and my result was frame 19. All three other tries have resulted in it having frame 21's spread). Before I waste any more time going through the Elite Four just to miss my frame by 1 again, can anyone pinpoint what I'm doing wrong?

EDIT: After further searching through this topic, it seems as though I should be advancing the frame to 19, then talking to Lance. This still doesn't explain why the Raikou has had the nature and IVs for frames that are 1 above the frame I'm trying to hit, though, when they should be lower than the frame I'm aiming for according to this new information.

memy02 · Mar 21st, 2011, 10:58:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat SlaveOfTheMoon

Okay, so then to make sure i am doing this right:
- Go to time finder
- 4th Gen Shiny egg
- SID not needed here, random number
- Put in ability, nature, and gender criteria
- Checkmark the HSS shiny egg box
- Generate
- Find something with the lowest frame (preferably 1, correct?)
- Copy seed to clipboard

- go to seed to time finder
- Paste seed
- Click the HGSS option
- Check the box for seconds and put in 50
- generate
- Choose anything below that I want?
- generate
- Choose anything I want from the below box?

As you can see, near the end I seem to be getting a tad lost.

So far correct, the second list of seeds you generate are the seeds of adjacent delays, this will let you check what delay you hit if you miss your delay. The point of this is to find a trend in missing your delay so you can adjust your time to hit your delay. Set your ds date/clock to the time for your target seed and start the ds clock at the same time as your timer. Once you hit your seed drop off your parents and generate an egg then save in front of the man just before picking up the egg. take the egg and hatch it to confirm the gender, nature, and ability and then turn the game off without saving. Now you need to RNG and hit a second seed to fix the IV of the egg you are about to pick up this time using time finder-> egg IV instead of shiny egg. copy your seed to the seed to time and try to hit the seed and the frame.

SlaveOfTheMoon · Mar 21st, 2011, 11:33:49 PM

OH, I see. i was aiming for those adjacent seeds, which would explain my high failure rate. Though good news i guess is that I was actually hitting those seeds some of the time, so at least I am confident that I have the ability to pull this off.

Will the NPCs moving around goldenrod mess up my egg after i deposit? Or are the nature, etc. generate before the egg is conceived, therefore causing me to not have to worry about NPC movements?

riddlinkid · Mar 21st, 2011, 11:38:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat SlaveOfTheMoon

OH, I see. i was aiming for those adjacent seeds, which would explain my high failure rate. Though good news i guess is that I was actually hitting those seeds some of the time, so at least I am confident that I have the ability to pull this off.

Will the NPCs moving around goldenrod mess up my egg after i deposit? Or are the nature, etc. generate before the egg is conceived, therefore causing me to not have to worry about NPC movements?

NPCs will only factor in if you are RNGing for IVs.

Exploits · Mar 22nd, 2011, 1:15:17 AM

How do I find out what PID contains a specific shiny spread?

memy02 · Mar 22nd, 2011, 7:19:51 AM

I am solid with hatching flawless shiny eggs, but I am having some trouble with getting a flawless wonder card deoxys. I am playing SS and using the Cerulean city because there are no moving NPC's and I am using seed 52140289 with a target frame of 116. I have a target time of 20:58:50 so that by the time I make 10 elm calls to confirm my seed the time will be 21:00 allowing me to advance the frame with the pokemon search party radio station. I move the tuner from the bottom slight right up just enough to trigger the station then back down 105 times so that picking up deoxys will be the final frame. The problem is that when I pick up deoxys the first three IV's are 31 but the rest are not. I have received this result three times now so I know I am hitting my seed and I can correctly count my frames, I just need to find out what kind of adjustment I need to make to my frame advancement to hit 116. All roaming pokemon have been captured and I have two wonder cards lined up after deoxys if that makes a difference. Alternatively if someone can tell me how to check what frame I am on when I pick up the deoxys I can try to figure out my frame correction.

Zoap · Mar 22nd, 2011, 8:08:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat memy02

I am solid with hatching flawless shiny eggs, but I am having some trouble with getting a flawless wonder card deoxys. I am playing SS and using the Cerulean city because there are no moving NPC's and I am using seed 52140289 with a target frame of 116. I have a target time of 20:58:50 so that by the time I make 10 elm calls to confirm my seed the time will be 21:00 allowing me to advance the frame with the pokemon search party radio station. I move the tuner from the bottom slight right up just enough to trigger the station then back down 105 times so that picking up deoxys will be the final frame. The problem is that when I pick up deoxys the first three IV's are 31 but the rest are not. I have received this result three times now so I know I am hitting my seed and I can correctly count my frames, I just need to find out what kind of adjustment I need to make to my frame advancement to hit 116. All roaming pokemon have been captured and I have two wonder cards lined up after deoxys if that makes a difference. Alternatively if someone can tell me how to check what frame I am on when I pick up the deoxys I can try to figure out my frame correction.

You're hitting frame 117(115 method 1) which means that you are doing one too many frames. I've never used the radio to advance frames but all your numbers add up 1(for delivery man)+10 Elm Calls+105 Pokemon Search Party gives the 116.

I have 2 suggestions and you can use whichever is easier for you.

First assuming you use a timer and don't have issues with high delay, since your frame is so high I recommend switching to this seed:7B100958, which yields a frame of 26 and delay of 2381. While the delay is much higher if your as consistent as you sound, it should be no problem to hit and only having to do 13 Joey calls and 10 Elm Calls is pretty quick.

Second if high delay bothers you or you don't like the high waiting time, then you can simply cut 1 Elm call or Pokemon Search Party from your frame advancement. If you consistently hit the 117 mark, then doing one of the above should yield 116.

And if you ever need to find what frame you hit for any seed, the main window of RNG Reporter allows you to do so. Simply post the seed you hit, and the IV range that your Wondercard gave(in your example top 3 stats were 31), though remember that when searching Method 1 to add 2 frames to whatever results you get(or you can just change it to Wondercard IVs).

This is the spread you were hitting btw:
31/31/31/10/4/24

Newts · Mar 22nd, 2011, 8:11:14 AM

@memy02 Are the IVs 31 / 31 / 31 / 10 / 04 / 24 ?

If so you are hitting frame 117, you are doing everything right except you are advancing one frame too many.

memy02 · Mar 22nd, 2011, 9:19:53 AM

Thank you for your help, I reduced the radio pings by 1 and successfully got a flawless modest deoxys. I am still a little confused by using the main page of RNG reporter, I ran the seed and the three 31's and found the two frames 114 and 115, now what confuses me is the time and nature columns as the time is nothing near what I had, and the nature is correct but I thought it was random/unknown how to control. So is the time column meaningless for wonder card (and if so what is it for?) and was it just chance that I got the same nature as was in the column?

Mar 20th, 2011, 3:54:09 AM	#33751
riddlinkid Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 1,435 Herro prease.	Do you have roamers out? Because 20 flips will get you frame 41 when you pick up. It's the even frames you can't easily hit, not odd. __________________ Platinum FC: 4597 9039 2618 New Trade Thing

Mar 20th, 2011, 4:13:30 AM	#33752
Cefiro Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 140	When I said to advance to 41 I meant 43, my bad, and I am factoring in my roamer (there's one). So as to the question being asked, is trying to advance frames via NPC as unreliable as it sounds? Should I just do 57 page flips with a delay I can't hit too well vs. doing 20 page flips and trying to get the NPC to cooperate on a delay I can hit well? (The fact that I can only select 99 years affects which delay I can actually choose, so no, I can't change it that way.) Thanks much. __________________ Pokemon Diamond Friend Code: 1678 2454 2881

Mar 20th, 2011, 4:31:21 AM	#33754
Cefiro Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 140	Thanks, I'll try to see how much the NPC hates me then. I can always go back to the other method I guess. Or maybe I should just go ahead and capture my roamer. I don't really care about Mesprit, not a fan of the three, so I'll just not RNG it. Maybe there won't even be any future events for 4th gen, so I won't even have to RNG Wondercards and won't have to worry about having my preferred frame be even in the future. Thanks a lot. __________________ Pokemon Diamond Friend Code: 1678 2454 2881

Mar 20th, 2011, 8:57:46 AM	#33755
alih92 Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 29	Any tips on Emerald RNG? I'm doing a nuzlocke challenge and want a shiny starter :D. My lowest Shiny frame is 903 - 15.05 seconds, I'm using VBA as it allows time speed up. __________________ Don't like my avatar??? Deal with it...

Mar 21st, 2011, 5:53:07 PM	#33761
SlaveOfTheMoon Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 6	Just some simple questions. First off, I am HGSS breeding. I do know my SID. Out of all the tutorials i have read/watched there are still 2 questions bugging me. 1) I want to breed my perfect IV/ability/nature pokemon and decided to practive using my favorite pokemon, houndoom. From what I have gathered I need to go to time finder first, then 4th gen shiny egg. I put in the nature and whatnot I want, however the problem is that I don't want a shiny egg. Personally, I would rather just RNG my ability and nature into an egg, save, then RNG the IVs without any shinyness. Am i missing a tab or something? 2) I just want to confirm that I know what I am doing with pikatimer, since so far every guide I have read has been pretty vague on it. - change the DS time to be the minute before RNG reporter tells me (so if RNG reporter wants 00:52:50 then I set the DS time to 00:52:00 - Start pikatimer and save the time change at the same time. - Turn the DS back on and start my game. - Soft reset whent eh first timer hits 0 - Press continue when the second timer hits 0 Is this correct? Again, may sound stupid, but I am just confirming. Other than that, I pretty much know everything in theory and am just trying to apply it. __________________ - SOTM

Mar 21st, 2011, 12:15:04 AM	#33756
Mikey229 Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 424	Sigh, I really want to try this method in order to get a decent Rufflet. Can anyone really dumb it down for me?

Mar 21st, 2011, 12:22:36 PM	#33758
Espeon92 Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 3	T have a question, the starting frame of Lugia it's 1 ? (sorry for my (very) bad english)

Mar 21st, 2011, 12:44:06 PM	#33760
Espeon92 Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 3	Ok thank you

Mar 21st, 2011, 7:24:39 PM	#33762
riddlinkid Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 1,435 Herro prease.	1) Just enter some numbers that aren't your SID. Or find your egg the normal way, then just RNG it for IVs. Or make it shiny, and trade it to a different game and hatch it there normally. 2) I only use emloop, but that sounds about right. __________________ Platinum FC: 4597 9039 2618 New Trade Thing

Mar 21st, 2011, 7:52:57 PM	#33763
SlaveOfTheMoon Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 6	Oh, so my SID is optional for this part of the RNG process? That's news to me, thanks. I'll just smash my face against the keyboard and be on my merry way. :) __________________ - SOTM

Mar 21st, 2011, 8:01:23 PM	#33764
riddlinkid Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 1,435 Herro prease.	Haha. Yeah, you only need to have your SID if you want to breed a shiny. Otherwise, it isn't necessary. __________________ Platinum FC: 4597 9039 2618 New Trade Thing

Mar 21st, 2011, 8:04:17 PM	#33765
Exploits Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 448	If you don't want it to be shiny then you don't need to enter your real SID. You would just enter random numbers.

Mar 21st, 2011, 8:30:56 PM	#33766
SlaveOfTheMoon Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 6	Okay, so then to make sure i am doing this right: - Go to time finder - 4th Gen Shiny egg - SID not needed here, random number - Put in ability, nature, and gender criteria - Checkmark the HSS shiny egg box - Generate - Find something with the lowest frame (preferably 1, correct?) - Copy seed to clipboard - go to seed to time finder - Paste seed - Click the HGSS option - Check the box for seconds and put in 50 - generate - Choose anything below that I want? - generate - Choose anything I want from the below box? As you can see, near the end I seem to be getting a tad lost. __________________ - SOTM

Mar 21st, 2011, 8:41:32 PM	#33767
Ophiuchus Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 6	Hello. I'm having a problem trying to RNG abuse the roamers using the Elite Four method. I'm starting with Raikou, fainting it while Latios and Entei roam free so I can check my seed using the roamer method. I've hit my seed (7817080E) 4 times and advanced the frame what I thought was the right amount (since the frame I want is 20 I advance to frame 17 using the radio method, and according to what I believe the guide is telling me Raikou should spawn with the IVs and nature of the 3rd frame from 17, or frame 20, due to Entei and Latios roaming). However, every time I've done this the Raikou's nature and IVs have matched those belonging to frames 19 or 21 (I tried to stop after frame 16 once, and my result was frame 19. All three other tries have resulted in it having frame 21's spread). Before I waste any more time going through the Elite Four just to miss my frame by 1 again, can anyone pinpoint what I'm doing wrong? EDIT: After further searching through this topic, it seems as though I should be advancing the frame to 19, then talking to Lance. This still doesn't explain why the Raikou has had the nature and IVs for frames that are 1 above the frame I'm trying to hit, though, when they should be lower than the frame I'm aiming for according to this new information. Last edited by Ophiuchus; Mar 21st, 2011 at 11:29:34 PM.

Mar 21st, 2011, 11:33:49 PM	#33769
SlaveOfTheMoon Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 6	OH, I see. i was aiming for those adjacent seeds, which would explain my high failure rate. Though good news i guess is that I was actually hitting those seeds some of the time, so at least I am confident that I have the ability to pull this off. Will the NPCs moving around goldenrod mess up my egg after i deposit? Or are the nature, etc. generate before the egg is conceived, therefore causing me to not have to worry about NPC movements? __________________ - SOTM

Mar 22nd, 2011, 1:15:17 AM	#33771
Exploits Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 448	How do I find out what PID contains a specific shiny spread?

Mar 22nd, 2011, 7:19:51 AM	#33772
memy02 Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 6	I am solid with hatching flawless shiny eggs, but I am having some trouble with getting a flawless wonder card deoxys. I am playing SS and using the Cerulean city because there are no moving NPC's and I am using seed 52140289 with a target frame of 116. I have a target time of 20:58:50 so that by the time I make 10 elm calls to confirm my seed the time will be 21:00 allowing me to advance the frame with the pokemon search party radio station. I move the tuner from the bottom slight right up just enough to trigger the station then back down 105 times so that picking up deoxys will be the final frame. The problem is that when I pick up deoxys the first three IV's are 31 but the rest are not. I have received this result three times now so I know I am hitting my seed and I can correctly count my frames, I just need to find out what kind of adjustment I need to make to my frame advancement to hit 116. All roaming pokemon have been captured and I have two wonder cards lined up after deoxys if that makes a difference. Alternatively if someone can tell me how to check what frame I am on when I pick up the deoxys I can try to figure out my frame correction.

Mar 22nd, 2011, 8:11:14 AM	#33774
Newts Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 477 Australia GMT+8	@memy02 Are the IVs 31 / 31 / 31 / 10 / 04 / 24 ? If so you are hitting frame 117, you are doing everything right except you are advancing one frame too many. __________________ My new trade thread Trade FCs: 4th gen - 2751-1623-3247 5th gen - 2365-5058-3796

Mar 22nd, 2011, 9:19:53 AM	#33775
memy02 Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 6	Thank you for your help, I reduced the radio pings by 1 and successfully got a flawless modest deoxys. I am still a little confused by using the main page of RNG reporter, I ran the seed and the three 31's and found the two frames 114 and 115, now what confuses me is the time and nature columns as the time is nothing near what I had, and the nature is correct but I thought it was random/unknown how to control. So is the time column meaningless for wonder card (and if so what is it for?) and was it just chance that I got the same nature as was in the column?