Most Generation PRNG Help / Information - Page 14

thetorsoboy · Mar 29th, 2009, 5:20:12 PM

Well, yeah... Of course that's possible. Because there's an infinite number of Wild Pokemon that you can catch that all correspond to the same seed.

***mingot***** · Mar 29th, 2009, 5:21:38 PM

Well, you can get multiple monster seeds, thats normal. One is correct and the rest are not. By going to the 2nd one with the better looking initial seed you did the right thing. You ARE using the initial seed and not the monster seed right?

On another note, I wanted to actually have a go at this, but decided just to hit frame 200 instead of a shiny.

Here is my exact sequence of events --

Get in position on grass with 5 pokemon in party.
Move poketech to app before friendship.
Save

Reset
Scent
Catch Pokemon
Check IVs
Enter into RNGRepoter
Get Initial Seed
Feed into calcpid.

Switch to Happiness Checker

Double click 15 times (200 / 12 = 16 --- 16 - 1 = 15)

Switch to Coin Toss

Click Coin toss application 7 times ( 200 / 12 = remainder 8 ---- 8 - 1 = 7)

Switch away from coin toss application.

Deposit Caught pokemon.

Ride bike for egg.
Collect egg
Save
check PID in pokesav

compare to list from calcpid

...

Ended up at 200 on the nose, no issue no problem no fuss.

Pink · Mar 29th, 2009, 5:25:36 PM

Mingot, can you try to get a shiny spread with no remainder and do it, then check the PID in Pokesav to see if there's something else going on with a no remainder seed?

thetorsoboy · Mar 29th, 2009, 5:25:52 PM

Wait, does switching to the Coin Toss advance the RNG by one? (Because you subtracted one)

LightningFusion · Mar 29th, 2009, 5:26:31 PM

Finally got a shiny scyther. Didn't save because the PID had quiet as a nature. I don't use sweet scent by the way.

You subtract one because that makes it go to the seed you want. Not because of coin flip app.

***mingot***** · Mar 29th, 2009, 5:28:15 PM

@ Lightning - You just run in the grass, I take it? Should not matter to be honest, I can still find your initial seed
;)

Also, you can check the nature before you bother with it.

Take the pid and divide it by 24.

Remainder determines nature. Check xacts pid guide linked in the OP for the list of remainder information for nature.

@ Torso - No ... But consider that if I want to hit 200 I have to stop at 199 before getting my egg which will be 200.

thetorsoboy · Mar 29th, 2009, 5:29:26 PM

I still don't get it. D:

EDIT: I get it, because getting the egg advances it by one right? If not, you just need to end up at one "frame" before the target, gotcha.

***mingot***** · Mar 29th, 2009, 5:31:57 PM

Ok, torso.

There are 200 M&Ms in a bowl.

You want to take the last one.

You're going to let your little cousins have some, though. How many can you let them take to make sure you get the last one?

199.

If you want to hit the 200th seed you have to advance from 1 to 199.

12 (initial advancement when changing to happiness app) + 12*15 + 7 = 199.

200th is the egg get.

thetorsoboy · Mar 29th, 2009, 5:33:09 PM

Yeah, gotcha. Now I can get shiny eggs no problem. Just need to wait for the next version of your RNG Reporter, then I'll have at some competitive breeds, hopefully.

EDIT: Why not put that analogy in the first post? It helped. :P

Pink · Mar 29th, 2009, 5:33:55 PM

I feel like the remainder of 0 is making it so I can't get a shiny >.> All 3 of mine had remainder 0, and they all weren't shiny. I don't think i screwed up THAT badly.

***mingot***** · Mar 29th, 2009, 5:34:43 PM

@ Torso

What do you need to wait for? We don't know how to manipulate the IVs yet, so just knowing the sequence is not going to help you actually get anything good.

What I would do, if I wanted something awesome today, would be to breed flawless parents in emerald and then soft reset for a shiny egg that is close and of the correct nature, lock the egg, and go to town soft resetting like the days of old.

@ Pink

It *IS* the remainder fucking you up, actually.

When you have no remainder, deduct one happiness check and do 11 coin flips.

thetorsoboy · Mar 29th, 2009, 5:37:01 PM

That's what I plan to do, but I'll just use parents I already have, since I hate breeding in Emerald. :P

And, about Everstone, I do believe it just advances to the next spread of that nature, which is pointless. Because if you don't get the 50% chance, there goes your seed because you have to reset. And getting exact spreads is really easy with Platinum.

Which is a God send, considering the fact that you can get really amazing Dittos with shitty natures.

EDIT: I'm so breeding a shiny Metagross. ;)

LightningFusion · Mar 29th, 2009, 5:40:20 PM

I'm using eevees, riolu, tentacool, and scyther so whichever nature I get, one of those 4 would hopefully benefit from it.

***mingot***** · Mar 29th, 2009, 5:41:33 PM

TTar and Bagon are good canidates and can use a load of natures. TTar might be hard, though, as it has three incompatible egg moves that are required for certain natures.

Pink · Mar 29th, 2009, 5:44:34 PM

BAH! Stupid RNG advancement! thanks for clearing that up for me Mingot. Def. put that in the first post.

thetorsoboy · Mar 29th, 2009, 5:57:46 PM

So, I'm testing Everstones, to see if they either: 1) Advance the RNG to the next X spread like in Emerald. (X being the nature of the mom/ditto) or 2) Change the target spread to X.

So, if the Everstone fails, they should have a PID matching this:
396413DD
If it works, it should be the next Adamant spread, probably.

So, my three eggs:
Sassy - 00001‰ñ–Ú,396413DD,‚È‚Ü‚¢‚« ,2,221
Modest - 00002‰ñ–Ú,DE09AA13,‚Ð‚©‚¦‚ß ,2,019
Adamant - 00010‰ñ–Ú,E8DCEFED,‚¢‚¶‚Á‚Ï‚è,2,237

Conclusion - Er, hatching/recieving an egg advances the RNG by one.

Confirmed. Everstone in Platinum is the same as Emerald Synchronizing, as in, it advances the RNG to the next spread that corresponds to the Pokemon holding the Everstone's natures.

TDS · Mar 29th, 2009, 6:20:46 PM

Just a simple question do you need all the poketech apps to make it advance however you want it to?due to siwtching apps?

LightningFusion · Mar 29th, 2009, 6:21:30 PM

no, just need 6 and 16

thetorsoboy · Mar 29th, 2009, 6:21:50 PM

It only advances when you switch to the Happiness Checker. So you only need that and the Coin Toss app.

EDIT: Beaten. xP I'm going to test one more thing, then I should be set to abuse this.

TDS · Mar 29th, 2009, 6:24:18 PM

So coin toss also advances the rng?

Pink · Mar 29th, 2009, 6:25:12 PM

No it doesn't.

EDIT!
Well, yes it does. But, not when you switch to it. It advances it when you use it though.

thetorsoboy · Mar 29th, 2009, 6:27:24 PM

Yes. Basically, Happiness Checker is to advance it by bulk, and Coin Toss is to advance it just a little bit, for the last part.

LightningFusion · Mar 29th, 2009, 6:34:59 PM

I'm going for 11443 (952 taps) to get a shiny jolly lucario.

TDS · Mar 29th, 2009, 6:39:09 PM

Mmm Time for me to get shiny every natured flygon. Shame quiet is useless

Pink · Mar 29th, 2009, 6:40:21 PM

How do you guys know if it's jolly or not?

Mar 29th, 2009, 5:20:12 PM	#326
thetorsoboy Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 2,301	Well, yeah... Of course that's possible. Because there's an infinite number of Wild Pokemon that you can catch that all correspond to the same seed. __________________ Coming back with a vengeance. 2013.

Mar 29th, 2009, 5:21:38 PM	#327
*mingot* free agent Administrator** Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 3,045	Well, you can get multiple monster seeds, thats normal. One is correct and the rest are not. By going to the 2nd one with the better looking initial seed you did the right thing. You ARE using the initial seed and not the monster seed right? On another note, I wanted to actually have a go at this, but decided just to hit frame 200 instead of a shiny. Here is my exact sequence of events -- Get in position on grass with 5 pokemon in party. Move poketech to app before friendship. Save Reset Scent Catch Pokemon Check IVs Enter into RNGRepoter Get Initial Seed Feed into calcpid. Switch to Happiness Checker Double click 15 times (200 / 12 = 16 --- 16 - 1 = 15) Switch to Coin Toss Click Coin toss application 7 times ( 200 / 12 = remainder 8 ---- 8 - 1 = 7) Switch away from coin toss application. Deposit Caught pokemon. Ride bike for egg. Collect egg Save check PID in pokesav compare to list from calcpid ... Ended up at 200 on the nose, no issue no problem no fuss. __________________ Check out the new In-Game section! RNG Reporter/RNG Help Thread (Discuss) RNG Research Thread

Mar 29th, 2009, 5:25:36 PM	#328
Pink Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,576 UMass Amherst	Mingot, can you try to get a shiny spread with no remainder and do it, then check the PID in Pokesav to see if there's something else going on with a no remainder seed? __________________ Name: Pink FC: 3179 2610 3046 Pink's shoppe Now trading through PM. Win my thread! Amazing avatar by Headpunch!

Mar 29th, 2009, 5:25:52 PM	#329
thetorsoboy Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 2,301	Wait, does switching to the Coin Toss advance the RNG by one? (Because you subtracted one) __________________ Coming back with a vengeance. 2013.

Mar 29th, 2009, 5:26:31 PM	#330
LightningFusion Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,781 Michigan	Finally got a shiny scyther. Didn't save because the PID had quiet as a nature. I don't use sweet scent by the way. You subtract one because that makes it go to the seed you want. Not because of coin flip app. __________________ Diamond Name: Fus!on FC: 2321 1627 1150 Nookington's

Mar 29th, 2009, 5:28:15 PM	#331
*mingot* free agent Administrator** Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 3,045	@ Lightning - You just run in the grass, I take it? Should not matter to be honest, I can still find your initial seed ;) Also, you can check the nature before you bother with it. Take the pid and divide it by 24. Remainder determines nature. Check xacts pid guide linked in the OP for the list of remainder information for nature. @ Torso - No ... But consider that if I want to hit 200 I have to stop at 199 before getting my egg which will be 200. __________________ Check out the new In-Game section! RNG Reporter/RNG Help Thread (Discuss) RNG Research Thread

Mar 29th, 2009, 5:29:26 PM	#332
thetorsoboy Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 2,301	I still don't get it. D: EDIT: I get it, because getting the egg advances it by one right? If not, you just need to end up at one "frame" before the target, gotcha. __________________ Coming back with a vengeance. 2013.

Mar 29th, 2009, 5:31:57 PM	#333
*mingot* free agent Administrator** Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 3,045	Ok, torso. There are 200 M&Ms in a bowl. You want to take the last one. You're going to let your little cousins have some, though. How many can you let them take to make sure you get the last one? 199. If you want to hit the 200th seed you have to advance from 1 to 199. 12 (initial advancement when changing to happiness app) + 12*15 + 7 = 199. 200th is the egg get. __________________ Check out the new In-Game section! RNG Reporter/RNG Help Thread (Discuss) RNG Research Thread

Mar 29th, 2009, 5:33:09 PM	#334
thetorsoboy Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 2,301	Yeah, gotcha. Now I can get shiny eggs no problem. Just need to wait for the next version of your RNG Reporter, then I'll have at some competitive breeds, hopefully. EDIT: Why not put that analogy in the first post? It helped. :P __________________ Coming back with a vengeance. 2013.

Mar 29th, 2009, 5:33:55 PM	#335
Pink Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,576 UMass Amherst	I feel like the remainder of 0 is making it so I can't get a shiny >.> All 3 of mine had remainder 0, and they all weren't shiny. I don't think i screwed up THAT badly. __________________ Name: Pink FC: 3179 2610 3046 Pink's shoppe Now trading through PM. Win my thread! Amazing avatar by Headpunch!

Mar 29th, 2009, 5:34:43 PM	#336
*mingot* free agent Administrator** Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 3,045	@ Torso What do you need to wait for? We don't know how to manipulate the IVs yet, so just knowing the sequence is not going to help you actually get anything good. What I would do, if I wanted something awesome today, would be to breed flawless parents in emerald and then soft reset for a shiny egg that is close and of the correct nature, lock the egg, and go to town soft resetting like the days of old. @ Pink It IS the remainder fucking you up, actually. When you have no remainder, deduct one happiness check and do 11 coin flips. __________________ Check out the new In-Game section! RNG Reporter/RNG Help Thread (Discuss) RNG Research Thread

Mar 29th, 2009, 5:37:01 PM	#337
thetorsoboy Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 2,301	That's what I plan to do, but I'll just use parents I already have, since I hate breeding in Emerald. :P And, about Everstone, I do believe it just advances to the next spread of that nature, which is pointless. Because if you don't get the 50% chance, there goes your seed because you have to reset. And getting exact spreads is really easy with Platinum. Which is a God send, considering the fact that you can get really amazing Dittos with shitty natures. EDIT: I'm so breeding a shiny Metagross. ;) __________________ Coming back with a vengeance. 2013.

Mar 29th, 2009, 5:40:20 PM	#338
LightningFusion Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,781 Michigan	I'm using eevees, riolu, tentacool, and scyther so whichever nature I get, one of those 4 would hopefully benefit from it. __________________ Diamond Name: Fus!on FC: 2321 1627 1150 Nookington's

Mar 29th, 2009, 5:41:33 PM	#339
*mingot* free agent Administrator** Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 3,045	TTar and Bagon are good canidates and can use a load of natures. TTar might be hard, though, as it has three incompatible egg moves that are required for certain natures. __________________ Check out the new In-Game section! RNG Reporter/RNG Help Thread (Discuss) RNG Research Thread

Mar 29th, 2009, 5:44:34 PM	#340
Pink Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,576 UMass Amherst	BAH! Stupid RNG advancement! thanks for clearing that up for me Mingot. Def. put that in the first post. __________________ Name: Pink FC: 3179 2610 3046 Pink's shoppe Now trading through PM. Win my thread! Amazing avatar by Headpunch!

Mar 29th, 2009, 5:57:46 PM	#341
thetorsoboy Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 2,301	So, I'm testing Everstones, to see if they either: 1) Advance the RNG to the next X spread like in Emerald. (X being the nature of the mom/ditto) or 2) Change the target spread to X. So, if the Everstone fails, they should have a PID matching this: 396413DD If it works, it should be the next Adamant spread, probably. So, my three eggs: Sassy - 00001‰ñ–Ú,396413DD,‚È‚Ü‚¢‚« ,2,221 Modest - 00002‰ñ–Ú,DE09AA13,‚Ð‚©‚¦‚ß ,2,019 Adamant - 00010‰ñ–Ú,E8DCEFED,‚¢‚¶‚Á‚Ï‚è,2,237 Conclusion - Er, hatching/recieving an egg advances the RNG by one. Confirmed. Everstone in Platinum is the same as Emerald Synchronizing, as in, it advances the RNG to the next spread that corresponds to the Pokemon holding the Everstone's natures. __________________ Coming back with a vengeance. 2013.

Mar 29th, 2009, 6:20:46 PM	#342
TDS Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 3,133 Where there is cheese	Just a simple question do you need all the poketech apps to make it advance however you want it to?due to siwtching apps? __________________ Top 16 Pokemon VGC Newark Regionals 2010 3rd Place Pokemon VGC Nationals 2011 17th Place Pokemon VGC Worlds 2011

Mar 29th, 2009, 6:21:30 PM	#343
LightningFusion Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,781 Michigan	no, just need 6 and 16 __________________ Diamond Name: Fus!on FC: 2321 1627 1150 Nookington's

Mar 29th, 2009, 6:21:50 PM	#344
thetorsoboy Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 2,301	It only advances when you switch to the Happiness Checker. So you only need that and the Coin Toss app. EDIT: Beaten. xP I'm going to test one more thing, then I should be set to abuse this. __________________ Coming back with a vengeance. 2013.

Mar 29th, 2009, 6:24:18 PM	#345
TDS Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 3,133 Where there is cheese	So coin toss also advances the rng? __________________ Top 16 Pokemon VGC Newark Regionals 2010 3rd Place Pokemon VGC Nationals 2011 17th Place Pokemon VGC Worlds 2011

Mar 29th, 2009, 6:25:12 PM	#346
Pink Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,576 UMass Amherst	No it doesn't. EDIT! Well, yes it does. But, not when you switch to it. It advances it when you use it though. __________________ Name: Pink FC: 3179 2610 3046 Pink's shoppe Now trading through PM. Win my thread! Amazing avatar by Headpunch!

Mar 29th, 2009, 6:27:24 PM	#347
thetorsoboy Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 2,301	Yes. Basically, Happiness Checker is to advance it by bulk, and Coin Toss is to advance it just a little bit, for the last part. __________________ Coming back with a vengeance. 2013.

Mar 29th, 2009, 6:34:59 PM	#348
LightningFusion Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,781 Michigan	I'm going for 11443 (952 taps) to get a shiny jolly lucario. __________________ Diamond Name: Fus!on FC: 2321 1627 1150 Nookington's

Mar 29th, 2009, 6:39:09 PM	#349
TDS Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 3,133 Where there is cheese	Mmm Time for me to get shiny every natured flygon. Shame quiet is useless __________________ Top 16 Pokemon VGC Newark Regionals 2010 3rd Place Pokemon VGC Nationals 2011 17th Place Pokemon VGC Worlds 2011

Mar 29th, 2009, 6:40:21 PM	#350
Pink Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,576 UMass Amherst	How do you guys know if it's jolly or not? __________________ Name: Pink FC: 3179 2610 3046 Pink's shoppe Now trading through PM. Win my thread! Amazing avatar by Headpunch!