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barone13 · Feb 1st, 2012, 9:28:45 AM

Does anyone have any information about RNG abusing the Jirachi disk for gamecube and ruby sapphire?

Hozu · Feb 1st, 2012, 9:53:39 AM

Impossible.

Zoap · Feb 1st, 2012, 1:17:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Abra Kapocus

Okay.

So after numerous RNG successes in HG, I am now trying the same in Platinum. I lucked out with a frame 4 seed with a delay of 2083 (or 2084) for Heatran. I saved the game in such a way that the journal wouldn't pop up as I start my file. Typically, I miss my seed (quite a few times), and attempt to find out what I actually hit.

The big problem here is that many, many times I have tried this, both with even and odd delays, and every time it says my result was not found. Now I know for a fact that I wasn't that far off. What am I doing wrong? I hope that maybe I just slipped up while I was recording the flips.

[edit] I happen to know for a fact that I'm hitting odd delays, but for some reason all but maybe two of my results have come up empty, which is how I found out. I even gave the delays + and - 20. It also probably didn't help that I set my calibrated delay in EonTimer to 600. I'll try 400, see if that makes any difference.

[edit2] Nope.

Ok from now on give us the seed and the flips you are actually getting. My calibrated delay for DPPt is 604-606, so most likely your delay was way off. Expand the +/- to 99 and input your flips then.

Abra Kapocus · Feb 1st, 2012, 3:09:34 PM

I have no idea how it could be that far off, but okay. I'll give it a try soon.

The flips I'm supposed to be getting, just for reference, are H, H, H, H, H, H, T, T, T, T.

Already starting to miss how much more streamlined RNG'ing is for HG/SS.

[edit] All right, I tried it once more, and hit a delay of 2073 with the results H, H, H, H, T, H, T, H, T, T. After making the adjustment in EonTimer and going through it again these are my results: T, H, T, T, H, T, T, H, T, H with a delay of 2130. So I'm pretty sure now that all of those times I simply screwed up the recording of my flips somewhere. Either way, I have no idea how I could possibly be this far off.

[edit2] Just recalibrated. Hit a delay of 2040, T,T,H,H,H,T,T,T,H,H. Wow. Simply amazing how far off you can be in this game. At least I'm within the same second.

Zoap · Feb 1st, 2012, 5:56:34 PM

Yea DPPt seems, at least for me more static when it come to hitting delays then HGSS. Just keep entering in the delay you hit and you'll get it eventually(this is also why I only breed/capture on HG now unless I absolutely have to).

Nightmare · Feb 1st, 2012, 6:02:59 PM

Question:

I just pulled up a Shiny Seed for Lugia

Now the big question is, the phone doesn't work in Lugia's actual cave. :( (lovely)

I'd have to go back into the cave, walk some steps, then Surf.

Are there any sneaky RNG advances I need to know of doing this, like going in the door, and surfing?

-James

Abra Kapocus · Feb 1st, 2012, 6:06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Zoap

Yea DPPt seems, at least for me more static when it come to hitting delays then HGSS. Just keep entering in the delay you hit and you'll get it eventually(this is also why I only breed/capture on HG now unless I absolutely have to).

Well, I need Heatran, Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, and some wondercard pokes so I really need to get used to this. I'm glad my first attempt requires only a 3 frame advancement before I talk to him on the 4th, so I don't need any special preparation for journal flips. I just need to walk out of the area, turn in any two directions, then go back in to BATTORU!

@Nightmare: Just make your calls in the room right before him. Far as I know, going in there and using surf doesn't advance the frame, but, of course, engaging in battle with Lugia does (by 1).

Zenotwapal · Feb 1st, 2012, 7:33:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Nightmare

Question:

I just pulled up a Shiny Seed for Lugia

Now the big question is, the phone doesn't work in Lugia's actual cave. :( (lovely)

I'd have to go back into the cave, walk some steps, then Surf.

Are there any sneaky RNG advances I need to know of doing this, like going in the door, and surfing?

-James

If you stand right outside lugias cave you can use the pokegear.

Tolan · Feb 1st, 2012, 7:39:57 PM

Need help on Ruby starters.
I hit my target, got wrong spread, but when I plugged it into RNG Reporter 9.94 alpha, methods 1, 2, and 4 all yielded no results.

Target Spread: 31/30/31/24/30/0 (Brave)
Target Frame: 303092
Spread Received: 27/9/8/13/15/1 (Bashful)

Any help?

Abra Kapocus · Feb 1st, 2012, 7:42:18 PM

Just never ends. I found that suddenly, for some reason, I was hitting even delays, because twice in a row I hit 2084 when my target was 2083. So then when I switched to a delay of 2084, I tried it again and hit 2083! I don't know what this game's deal is, but it's kinda pissing me off. It shouldn't be able to switch between even and odd delays on a whim, especially when hitting either or becomes mutually exclusive.

DarkChaos (HCZ) · Feb 1st, 2012, 7:47:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Tolan

Need help on Ruby starters.
I hit my target, got wrong spread, but when I plugged it into RNG Reporter 9.94 alpha, methods 1, 2, and 4 all yielded no results.

Target Spread: 31/30/31/24/30/0 (Brave)
Target Frame: 303092
Spread Received: 27/9/8/13/15/1 (Bashful)

Any help?

Cart or rom?

If cart is it dead battery, because I see the seed in 9.93 and the frame you hit is not even in 5m of available spread with seed 5a0.

Tolan · Feb 1st, 2012, 7:49:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat DarkChaos (HCZ)

Cart or rom?

If cart is it dead battery, because I see the seed in 9.93 and the frame you hit is not even in 5m of available spread with seed 5a0.

Rom, dead battery. Running turbo speed, so 5 minutes = less then a minute.

i1338 · Feb 1st, 2012, 7:56:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Nightmare

Question:

I just pulled up a Shiny Seed for Lugia

Now the big question is, the phone doesn't work in Lugia's actual cave. :( (lovely)

I'd have to go back into the cave, walk some steps, then Surf.

Are there any sneaky RNG advances I need to know of doing this, like going in the door, and surfing?

-James

No, there are no sneaky RNG advances unless you trigger the 128 steps, which likely won't happen. You can stand right outside the door and advance the frame normally, then walk in/surf/talk to Lugia.

DarkChaos (HCZ) · Feb 1st, 2012, 7:56:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Tolan

Rom, dead battery. Running turbo speed, so 5 minutes = less then a minute.

Maybe Hozu and GB will be able to help in this case.
Sorry but I only rng on retail
But there really should not be problem?

Edit emu might be causing something to happen, that frame you hit is not even in 50mil in all methods

@above
frame may/not advance by 1 when entering lugia cave. I think it varied on my hg/ss

cantab · Feb 1st, 2012, 8:33:17 PM

What does "Encounter Slot" mean in RNG Reporter, and what should it be for RNGing Lugia in SoulSilver?

**voodoo pimp** · Feb 1st, 2012, 8:34:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat cantab

What does "Encounter Slot" mean in RNG Reporter, and what should it be for RNGing Lugia in SoulSilver?

Encounter slots determine what Pokémon you encounter in a wild battle, they don't matter at all for Lugia.

i1338 · Feb 1st, 2012, 8:36:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat cantab

What does "Encounter Slot" mean in RNG Reporter, and what should it be for RNGing Lugia in SoulSilver?

This should help. The encounter slot of a frame determines which wild Pokemon will appear in each area when Sweet Scenting.

Simply put, it doesn't matter at all for stationary or gift Pokemon.

edit: fffffffuuuuuuuuuuuu

Nightmare · Feb 1st, 2012, 9:10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat i1338

No, there are no sneaky RNG advances unless you trigger the 128 steps, which likely won't happen. You can stand right outside the door and advance the frame normally, then walk in/surf/talk to Lugia.

Just got it.

Thanks.

I really got to get better at hitting my delays: Once a half hour won't cut it.

-James

cantab · Feb 1st, 2012, 10:17:26 PM

Can Raikou and Entei both be on the same route? I'm using them to check if I hit my delay (can't use Elm's dialogue because I'm trying to RNG Lugia on the first encounter), and for my seed they should both be on Route 46.

DarkChaos (HCZ) · Feb 1st, 2012, 10:28:24 PM

yes

cantab · Feb 2nd, 2012, 12:24:22 AM

Alright! Got my Lugia, Timid 30/15/30/31/31/31. Seed of c5150212, date of 2033-05-25, target time 21:59:13, delay of 497, and a great super-low frame of 16.

Thanks for the advice voodoo, i1338, and DarkChaos.

Shinyshuppet1 · Feb 2nd, 2012, 5:49:48 PM

Hello everyone.
I still have problems on platinum RNG abuse on hitting delays for legends.
The problem is that I can't hit my wanted sec.
For example, I hit the time 13:38:50, when I'm supposed to hit the time 13:38:55.
I do hit the right delay or near sometimes but the problem is the second.
Does anyone knows how to fix this please?

Zoap · Feb 2nd, 2012, 7:25:57 PM

^ you have your seconds at +/- 5 don't you :(. If you're using a timer(I assume you are) then just set the +/- for seconds at 0, reason being is the coin flips are the same for a group of seconds meaning when you search your flips it just gives you the first result(50 seconds).

So good news is you've been hitting your delay with the correct seconds, bad news is because of that little hiccup, you've wasted a lot of time.

FSLAR · Feb 2nd, 2012, 9:39:05 PM

With Shiny eggs in HG/SS, if any of the parents hold an everstone, does it mess up the frames? I hit my delay and saved on the last egg (my frame is 13, and I said no to 12 of them) and the egg was not shiny.

Abra Kapocus · Feb 2nd, 2012, 9:41:51 PM

Got a question about the Sinjoh Ruins event, since I'm likely using that (coupled with multiple backup saves) to grab competitive-worthy Ubers rather than Platinum.

I've never actually gone through the event in question, but I've read about it on Bulbapedia and know that the generation method is 1. I just need to know at what moment the nature and IV's are decided (hence where to save).

Also, kind of unrelated, is the use of PokeGen to hack the Azure Flute into DPPt frowned upon here, or no? I understand that battling someone here requires that you divulge info on any and all modifications you make to your game, which are agreed on beforehand, but given the engineered scarcity of these event-mons (and the fact that Azure Flute was never released), I doubt anyone is going to argue as long as the stats are legal.

Feb 1st, 2012, 9:53:39 AM	#36727
Hozu RNGenius Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 1,190 Orre	Impossible. __________________ McGillicuddy's Bazaar - Hidden Grotto encounter RNG guide for RNG reporter - Emerald Egg PID RNG guide - Misc 3rd gen info - incl. Emerald frontier/Orre Colosseum, frame offsets - Free events If I CMT in your thread please respond in mine. If I really wanted a Pokémon that is more common than herpes, I'd get it myself from Pokécheck.

Feb 1st, 2012, 3:09:34 PM	#36729
Abra Kapocus Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 104	I have no idea how it could be that far off, but okay. I'll give it a try soon. The flips I'm supposed to be getting, just for reference, are H, H, H, H, H, H, T, T, T, T. Already starting to miss how much more streamlined RNG'ing is for HG/SS. [edit] All right, I tried it once more, and hit a delay of 2073 with the results H, H, H, H, T, H, T, H, T, T. After making the adjustment in EonTimer and going through it again these are my results: T, H, T, T, H, T, T, H, T, H with a delay of 2130. So I'm pretty sure now that all of those times I simply screwed up the recording of my flips somewhere. Either way, I have no idea how I could possibly be this far off. [edit2] Just recalibrated. Hit a delay of 2040, T,T,H,H,H,T,T,T,H,H. Wow. Simply amazing how far off you can be in this game. At least I'm within the same second. Last edited by Abra Kapocus; Feb 1st, 2012 at 5:53:28 PM.

Feb 1st, 2012, 6:02:59 PM	#36731
Nightmare Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 285 Fremont, CA	Question: I just pulled up a Shiny Seed for Lugia Now the big question is, the phone doesn't work in Lugia's actual cave. :( (lovely) I'd have to go back into the cave, walk some steps, then Surf. Are there any sneaky RNG advances I need to know of doing this, like going in the door, and surfing? -James __________________

Feb 1st, 2012, 8:33:17 PM	#36740
cantab Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 3,358 England	What does "Encounter Slot" mean in RNG Reporter, and what should it be for RNGing Lugia in SoulSilver? __________________ "If I may guess, Emboar might be an exception to the norm that the scalding liquid is expelled from the Pokémon's mouth" - Cobraroll, on Emboar learning Scald. "Nothing like a cup of tea to start off the day" - Professor Oak, EP025.

Feb 1st, 2012, 10:17:26 PM	#36744
cantab Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 3,358 England	Can Raikou and Entei both be on the same route? I'm using them to check if I hit my delay (can't use Elm's dialogue because I'm trying to RNG Lugia on the first encounter), and for my seed they should both be on Route 46. __________________ "If I may guess, Emboar might be an exception to the norm that the scalding liquid is expelled from the Pokémon's mouth" - Cobraroll, on Emboar learning Scald. "Nothing like a cup of tea to start off the day" - Professor Oak, EP025.

Feb 1st, 2012, 9:28:45 AM	#36726
barone13 Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 37 Somewhere in New England	Does anyone have any information about RNG abusing the Jirachi disk for gamecube and ruby sapphire?

Feb 1st, 2012, 5:56:34 PM	#36730
Zoap Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 495 Antioch	Yea DPPt seems, at least for me more static when it come to hitting delays then HGSS. Just keep entering in the delay you hit and you'll get it eventually(this is also why I only breed/capture on HG now unless I absolutely have to).

Feb 1st, 2012, 7:39:57 PM	#36734
Tolan Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 1,084	Need help on Ruby starters. I hit my target, got wrong spread, but when I plugged it into RNG Reporter 9.94 alpha, methods 1, 2, and 4 all yielded no results. Target Spread: 31/30/31/24/30/0 (Brave) Target Frame: 303092 Spread Received: 27/9/8/13/15/1 (Bashful) Any help?

Feb 1st, 2012, 7:42:18 PM	#36735
Abra Kapocus Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 104	Just never ends. I found that suddenly, for some reason, I was hitting even delays, because twice in a row I hit 2084 when my target was 2083. So then when I switched to a delay of 2084, I tried it again and hit 2083! I don't know what this game's deal is, but it's kinda pissing me off. It shouldn't be able to switch between even and odd delays on a whim, especially when hitting either or becomes mutually exclusive.

Feb 1st, 2012, 10:28:24 PM	#36745
DarkChaos (HCZ) Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 649 I cannot be banned from your house!	yes __________________ 3gen rng for pros

Feb 2nd, 2012, 12:24:22 AM	#36746
cantab Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 3,358 England	Alright! Got my Lugia, Timid 30/15/30/31/31/31. Seed of c5150212, date of 2033-05-25, target time 21:59:13, delay of 497, and a great super-low frame of 16. Thanks for the advice voodoo, i1338, and DarkChaos. __________________ "If I may guess, Emboar might be an exception to the norm that the scalding liquid is expelled from the Pokémon's mouth" - Cobraroll, on Emboar learning Scald. "Nothing like a cup of tea to start off the day" - Professor Oak, EP025.

Feb 2nd, 2012, 5:49:48 PM	#36747
Shinyshuppet1 Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 87 In a Graveyard.	Hello everyone. I still have problems on platinum RNG abuse on hitting delays for legends. The problem is that I can't hit my wanted sec. For example, I hit the time 13:38:50, when I'm supposed to hit the time 13:38:55. I do hit the right delay or near sometimes but the problem is the second. Does anyone knows how to fix this please?

Feb 2nd, 2012, 7:25:57 PM	#36748
Zoap Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 495 Antioch	^ you have your seconds at +/- 5 don't you :(. If you're using a timer(I assume you are) then just set the +/- for seconds at 0, reason being is the coin flips are the same for a group of seconds meaning when you search your flips it just gives you the first result(50 seconds). So good news is you've been hitting your delay with the correct seconds, bad news is because of that little hiccup, you've wasted a lot of time.

Feb 2nd, 2012, 9:39:05 PM	#36749
FSLAR Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 338	With Shiny eggs in HG/SS, if any of the parents hold an everstone, does it mess up the frames? I hit my delay and saved on the last egg (my frame is 13, and I said no to 12 of them) and the egg was not shiny. __________________ Winner of PokeMoshPit's 2nd KOTC Pokemon B/W Tournament YouTube Wi-Fi Battles (4th Gen) and Let's Plays Trade Thread HG FC: 3310 2042 3703 Black FC: 4040 6323 4797 If I DC in a Wi-Fi battle, it's probably my internet. It sucks like that.

Feb 2nd, 2012, 9:41:51 PM	#36750
Abra Kapocus Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 104	Got a question about the Sinjoh Ruins event, since I'm likely using that (coupled with multiple backup saves) to grab competitive-worthy Ubers rather than Platinum. I've never actually gone through the event in question, but I've read about it on Bulbapedia and know that the generation method is 1. I just need to know at what moment the nature and IV's are decided (hence where to save). Also, kind of unrelated, is the use of PokeGen to hack the Azure Flute into DPPt frowned upon here, or no? I understand that battling someone here requires that you divulge info on any and all modifications you make to your game, which are agreed on beforehand, but given the engineered scarcity of these event-mons (and the fact that Azure Flute was never released), I doubt anyone is going to argue as long as the stats are legal.