Most Generation PRNG Help / Information - Page 1486

**voodoo pimp** · Mar 2nd, 2012, 11:57:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Magiphart

Ok, how do I attach an image that is not a url? So I need to get a synchronizer. Not too hard.

Upload it to an image hosting site, then use the URL from there.

Magiphart · Mar 3rd, 2012, 12:15:37 AM

...

Does that answer questions?

Misdreavus · Mar 3rd, 2012, 12:15:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Princess of Johto

I would bring 2 Chatots and flip between them to advance the frame just because I like to have control over the frames. You could use the NPCs but it seems like more of a hassle Imo. But I would never aim for a frame that high, so Idk if NPCs would be faster. But I think Chatters are the fastest, most consistent way.

It's the earliest I could find a 31/HP_E/30/31/31/31 Modest (HP Ice 70) spread.

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Originally Posted by Fat Zari

If this is in SS, there shouldn't be any NPCs on zapdos's route, so chatters would probably be the best way after finding your frame with phone/radio.

I know there aren't any on the Power Plant route, but I was referring to the route leading up to it (Route 9). I saw at least 1 wandering NPC there.

I'll probably just stick with Chatters. Thanks for the advice.

Princess of Johto · Mar 3rd, 2012, 12:18:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Misdreavus

It's the earliest I could find a 31/HP_E/30/31/31/31 Modest (HP Ice 70) spread.

What did you have your delay range as when you searched? Sometimes if you search with a wider delay range you'll find the same spread and seed with a lower frame and higher delay.

Exploits · Mar 3rd, 2012, 12:29:47 AM

Wouldn't the radio station that advances 13-14 be much quicker? You can go from the middle to the station back and forth pretty quickly.

RockinX · Mar 3rd, 2012, 12:42:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Exploits

Wouldn't the radio station that advances 13-14 be much quicker? You can go from the middle to the station back and forth pretty quickly.

The problem with that is that radio advancements are not available every hour of the day.

But I do agree that it's easier and faster with the radio, so I'd go with that.

Misdreavus · Mar 3rd, 2012, 12:58:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Princess of Johto

What did you have your delay range as when you searched? Sometimes if you search with a wider delay range you'll find the same spread and seed with a lower frame and higher delay.

479 (my absolute minimum during calibration) to 3000. I had a total brainfart though, as Zapdos is Method K, not Method 1. Even with Method K, the lowest frame is 542 (using Synchronize).

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Originally Posted by Fat Exploits

Wouldn't the radio station that advances 13-14 be much quicker? You can go from the middle to the station back and forth pretty quickly.

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Originally Posted by Fat RockinX

The problem with that is that radio advancements are not available every hour of the day.

But I do agree that it's easier and faster with the radio, so I'd go with that.

According to this, the station that you must be referring to (Pokémon Talk) is inconsistent, and the only reliable ones are Pokémon Search Party (+1) and Serial Radio Drama (+1). If I have to stick with a one-at-a-time advancement, I think 2 Chatot would be faster than the radio, and it's also harder to lose count with Chatot since differences on their status screens (genders, levels, etc.) can help you keep track of whether your current count is odd or even.

Or are you suggesting that I tune to Pokémon Talk several times (assuming it's available) and then check my frame?

Zoap · Mar 3rd, 2012, 1:05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat RockinX

I flipped the coins and when comparing the sequence, the ones RNG Reporter showed didn't match the seed that I determined by catching the pokémon. In the case of Rotom, it's level 15, so in order to determine the seed I would have needed to level it up, and I don't have Rare Candies in that save because I went through the game as fast as I could just to be able to catch the legendaries exclusive to Diamond.

So did you catch a different pokemon besides rotom(and determined the seed that way?). I'm still really confused as all I ever do(in non NPC areas) is flip coins and see if I hit my delay. If I did then I advance to the necessary frame. I dunno what all this catch a pokemon to confirm your seed nonsense is, but maybe I'm misunderstanding.

If you know that you hit your delay(via coin flip confirmation) then it shouldn't be too hard to find out whether you got the right rotom(regardless of level 15) with nature, IV calculators and characteristic.

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Originally Posted by Fat Misdreavus

Oh, okay... I didn't know that (never RNG'd in Sandstorm).

I'm going after a Zapdos in SS on frame 551. What's the best way to advance the frame that far? Should I just use Chatters? Should I linger for awhile on the route before the Power Plant, let the NPCs there advance the frame, go up to Zapdos, find my frame with the phone or radio, and advance it the rest of the way?

As Rockin X said, radio is definitely the fastest way(though you may have to wait for it to come on), other than that chatots are clear second. If you use the radio just remember that 13-14 so do 38 click and drags to the middle(this will put you between frame 494-532)+9 elm calls to confirm you hit your delay = 503-541 putting you in a comfortable place to use elm to locate your frame from there.

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Originally Posted by Fat Magiphart

I'm trying to get a flawless ditto. I clicked on time finder chose capture, set the year to 2012 set the minimum delay to 609 and maximum to 1200 chose method j set nature as timid (no synchronizer) set all IVS to 31 and checked the shiny only box, put ID: 13339 SID: 16434, and clicked generate. So far it has searched through < 1.1 × 10^7 frames and hasn't found anything. Is this expected? Will it find it eventually? Did I set my demands to high? Did I mess up?

Edit: Set year to 2012

You didn't find anything because you didn't abuse your ID/SID for the shiny flawless timid spread. If you want shiny's you have to abuse your SID to do so, with your current combo timid flawless is impossible. You can however use this for a non shiny ditto:

PID: 7942EF72 (Timid, ability 0), IVs: 31/31/31/31/31/31, seed: D2140289, delay: 637 (year: 2012), method 1: 114, J (synch): 71, J (no synch): None, HP: Dark 70

Exploits · Mar 3rd, 2012, 1:12:25 AM

I always preferred the radio, but that's just me. That post says 14-18 but I believe it's outdated and it's actually 13-14. In your case, where you need 551 frames, the way I would have done it was by making 551/14 (or one less to be safer) "flips" and then making Elm calls the rest of the way. I never used Chatots at all in 4th gen. I know this is a more reckless way of doing it, but it worked for me. If you want to be more safe then definitely Chatots, but it will take much longer.

Princess of Johto · Mar 3rd, 2012, 1:21:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Misdreavus

479 (my absolute minimum during calibration) to 3000. I had a total brainfart though, as Zapdos is Method K, not Method 1. Even with Method K, the lowest frame is 542 (using Synchronize).

9C0716A5 has a frame as low as 68 and the delay is in the 5000s. Also if you don't care about the HP IV being 30 instead of 31 (still yields HP Ice 70) then there are a bunch of low frame and low delay spreads. But if you decide to use this high frame seed, that works too! Gl.

Snapback · Mar 3rd, 2012, 2:38:26 AM

Eontimer calibrates your game in 3rd Gen too, so I won't have to go through the calibration phase in the RNG Guide in the main page?

Princess of Johto · Mar 3rd, 2012, 2:47:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Snapback

Eontimer calibrates your game in 3rd Gen too, so I won't have to go through the calibration phase in the RNG Guide in the main page?

Yeah, you don't really have to do that calibration stuff. Similar to 4th gen, just enter the frame you hit in the right spot and press update and it will calibrate for you.

Snapback · Mar 3rd, 2012, 2:50:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Princess of Johto

Yeah, you don't really have to do that calibration stuff. Similar to 4th gen, just enter the frame you hit in the right spot and press update and it will calibrate for you.

Thanks, PoJ. This probably won't be my last question.

EDIT: Okay so what do I put in the Seed in the main window of the reporter? I don't see any seed or hex. All I see is the frame. I am looking at the list in the guide. I feel like I am blind.

Princess of Johto · Mar 3rd, 2012, 3:04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Snapback

Thanks, PoJ. This probably won't be my last question.

EDIT: Okay so what do I put in the Seed in the main window of the reporter? I don't see any seed or hex. All I see is the frame. I am looking at the list in the guide. I feel like I am blind.

Which game are you using? If you're using Emerald, you put nothing. The seed you hit in Emerald is always 000000000 (Idk if that's the right number of 0s :P).

If you're on RS, then you need a dead battery. With a dead battery, the seed you hit is 5A00000 (again, Idk about the 0s). You can just put in 5A0.

Snapback · Mar 3rd, 2012, 3:08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Princess of Johto

Which game are you using? If you're using Emerald, you put nothing. The seed you hit in Emerald is always 000000000 (Idk if that's the right number of 0s :P).

If you're on RS, then you need a dead battery. With a dead battery, the seed you hit is 5A00000 (again, Idk about the 0s). You can just put in 5A0.

I am using Emerald. Thanks again PoJ :P Anything I should take into consideration? Like set-up wise. I heard there is no worry about NPCs in 3rd Gen. Is that true?

Im M3 · Mar 3rd, 2012, 3:13:02 AM

Yeah. NPCs don't affect frames in Emerald.

Princess of Johto · Mar 3rd, 2012, 3:15:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Snapback

I am using Emerald. Thanks again PoJ :P Anything I should take into consideration? Like set-up wise. I heard there is no worry about NPCs in 3rd Gen. Is that true?

For the most part it's true! Iirc the only time NPCs will really mess things up is Egg PID abuse, but that's really easy to get around (you just have to stay inside the daycare).

Set-up wise... if you want to do captures, you of course need a sweet scenter. Sychros help but aren't needed. You're not going to find great IVs unless you're prepared to wait SUPER long. And you might have to wait more than once. Which is why IV breeding is better. If you want to breed without doing PID abuse, an everstone is really almost mandatory. And decent parents (you'll have to catch them but you can find spreads with at least 2 31s on fairly low frames). If you want to do egg PID absue, read Hozu's guide (it's in his sig). I think that's all. :3

Snapback · Mar 3rd, 2012, 3:15:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Im M3

Yeah. NPCs don't affect frames in Emerald.

Awesome. One last thing (I think), what do I do at the end of the first timer? Soft Reset at the menu, correct? And then the second one I am pressing A to Sweet Scent?

Thanks yet again PoJ :P

Princess of Johto · Mar 3rd, 2012, 3:17:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Snapback

Awesome. One last thing (I think), what do I do at the end of the first timer? Soft Reset at the menu, correct? And then the second one I am pressing A to Sweet Scent?

Yes, SR at the end of the first timer (doesn't necessarily have to be at the menu). And, yeah, at the second timer press A to sweet scent.

Snapback · Mar 3rd, 2012, 3:22:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Princess of Johto

Yes, SR at the end of the first timer (doesn't necessarily have to be at the menu). And, yeah, at the second timer press A to sweet scent.

Okay. And I start the timer as I turn my SP on? Sorry for all these questions :P

Im M3 · Mar 3rd, 2012, 3:24:56 AM

Start the timer when you have you GBA on. When first timer ends soft reset. When second timer ends sweet scent.

Snapback · Mar 3rd, 2012, 3:32:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Im M3

Start the timer when you have you GBA on. When first timer ends soft reset. When second timer ends sweet scent.

Wait so I can have the game on before I start the timer?

Princess of Johto · Mar 3rd, 2012, 3:48:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Snapback

Wait so I can have the game on before I start the timer?

Yeah. It really doesn't matter when you start the timer because in Gen 3, you don't need to set the game to a certain time.

Snapback · Mar 3rd, 2012, 4:21:25 AM

Is there a reason my Sweet Scent wouldn't work in a cave?

EDIT: I gave it a go. Went for a Brave Absol on frame 11735. I got a Serious Oddish with IVs that didn't match any frames from 11775 down. What could I be doing wrong? Not hitting the times perfectly?

Juge · Mar 3rd, 2012, 6:47:40 AM

What are you trying to capture\hatch? Im trying to catch a flawless stationary Latias (in Soul Silver) using synch nature timid

What is your target seed and frame? What is the delay of that seed? 551510dd, 10, 4306

How did you verify your seed? I tried with elm calls (I got those:kppkppppk but I always get different answers even when Im using the exact same time )

If you tried and failed, what results did you get? Latias, Bashful,
25-27, 0-2, 23-24, 30-31, 13-14, 10-12

my biggest problem here is, that the elm calls never match with the ones from the time finder, therefore I don´t know which seed/delay Im actually hitting (using pikatimer/eontimer btw). Im pretty confused, cause about 2 years ago everything worked finde when I rng`d other stationaries like zapdos and stuff =/ hopefully someone can help me :3

Juge

Mar 3rd, 2012, 12:15:37 AM	#37127
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Im M3 Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 192	Yeah. NPCs don't affect frames in Emerald. __________________ We like 'em RARE! My 3rd Gen RNG Guide If I ask CMT, please reply in my thread! My FC: 5200 6882 8217 (Black)

Mar 3rd, 2012, 3:24:56 AM	#37146
Im M3 Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 192	Start the timer when you have you GBA on. When first timer ends soft reset. When second timer ends sweet scent. __________________ We like 'em RARE! My 3rd Gen RNG Guide If I ask CMT, please reply in my thread! My FC: 5200 6882 8217 (Black)

Mar 3rd, 2012, 4:21:25 AM	#37149
Snapback Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 280	Is there a reason my Sweet Scent wouldn't work in a cave? EDIT: I gave it a go. Went for a Brave Absol on frame 11735. I got a Serious Oddish with IVs that didn't match any frames from 11775 down. What could I be doing wrong? Not hitting the times perfectly? __________________ My dollar accumulation, my only motivation Last edited by Snapback; Mar 3rd, 2012 at 4:46:01 AM.

Mar 3rd, 2012, 12:29:47 AM	#37130
Exploits Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 448	Wouldn't the radio station that advances 13-14 be much quicker? You can go from the middle to the station back and forth pretty quickly.

Mar 3rd, 2012, 1:12:25 AM	#37134
Exploits Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 448	I always preferred the radio, but that's just me. That post says 14-18 but I believe it's outdated and it's actually 13-14. In your case, where you need 551 frames, the way I would have done it was by making 551/14 (or one less to be safer) "flips" and then making Elm calls the rest of the way. I never used Chatots at all in 4th gen. I know this is a more reckless way of doing it, but it worked for me. If you want to be more safe then definitely Chatots, but it will take much longer.

Mar 3rd, 2012, 6:47:40 AM	#37150
Juge Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 3	What are you trying to capture\hatch? Im trying to catch a flawless stationary Latias (in Soul Silver) using synch nature timid What is your target seed and frame? What is the delay of that seed? 551510dd, 10, 4306 How did you verify your seed? I tried with elm calls (I got those:kppkppppk but I always get different answers even when Im using the exact same time ) If you tried and failed, what results did you get? Latias, Bashful, 25-27, 0-2, 23-24, 30-31, 13-14, 10-12 my biggest problem here is, that the elm calls never match with the ones from the time finder, therefore I don´t know which seed/delay Im actually hitting (using pikatimer/eontimer btw). Im pretty confused, cause about 2 years ago everything worked finde when I rng`d other stationaries like zapdos and stuff =/ hopefully someone can help me :3 Juge