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yawg07 · Aug 10th, 2009, 2:16:01 PM

Is there a way to do this with PokéRadar pokemon? I haven't found one.
I've done a few RNG pokés now, and I was just curious.
I found a decent spread for Shiny Calm Ability 1, and want to use it on Togepi.
But in Platinum the only way I can do that with catching the Togepi is to radar it on Route 230.

Has someone found a way to reliably RNG Radar Pokémon?

LightningFusion · Aug 10th, 2009, 2:17:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat yawg07

Has someone found a way to reliably RNG Radar Pokémon?

Yes and no. A few people are still doing tests to make it more reliable, although some people have done it successfully so far.

COKTAL · Aug 10th, 2009, 2:18:03 PM

We know that it advances the frame by 15 when using it. But I'm not sure if it will guarente that the pokemon for that spread will be it. It can't hurt to try.

yawg07 · Aug 10th, 2009, 2:23:16 PM

Hmmm, so when you activate the radar, it advances frame by 15.
And walking through the grass advances 1 per step, and turning and walking is 2 advances.

Now, what exactly does 'turning and walking' mean? Is that 180 degree turn, or even the 90 degree ones?
I don't want to mess up something so simple.

I've RNG'd fishing for a Magikarp and standing in front of Azelf, I haven't done a grass one yet, so sorry for the dumb questions.

Destiny100 · Aug 10th, 2009, 2:23:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat mingot

Not sure what calculator you are using, but it definitely does not come out to 18 digits.

Ahhh... I know what I did wrong, I used Hex instead of Dec. Anyway, hopefully I'll have mastered RNG within a few days ^^. I want that shiny and good stat'd pokemon =]

LightningFusion · Aug 10th, 2009, 2:28:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat COKTAL

We know that it advances the frame by 15 when using it. But I'm not sure if it will guarente that the pokemon for that spread will be it. It can't hurt to try.

No it does not advance by 15, so please don't post about this in the future.

yawg07 · Aug 10th, 2009, 2:34:02 PM

Oh! lol well it is a good thing I haven't attempted yet.
Anything else I should know before starting? I'd be glad to report my results when I'm done.
Even though I'm a novice, I feel like I can help.

volch · Aug 10th, 2009, 2:38:44 PM

Is there any way to check the intial seed using a level 50 fixed nature Wondercard poke without using AR to check its IVs?

***mingot***** · Aug 10th, 2009, 2:46:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat volch

Is there any way to check the intial seed using a level 50 fixed nature Wondercard poke without using AR to check its IVs?

Use the adjacents finder in the seed->time dialog with coin flips to find your seed. There is no easy way to check with or without an AR when doing wondercards and it is very unlikely that I will be adding support for that.

volch · Aug 10th, 2009, 2:56:50 PM

So retrieving the Poke doesn't change the flips?

Ugh, this is annoying.

Thank you all the same.

***mingot***** · Aug 10th, 2009, 2:58:13 PM

No, it does not. Additionally, if you are not doing that many flips you could always just fly to the fight area and then catch something to get your initial seed. But really, the coin flips should be quicker and easier.

yawg07 · Aug 10th, 2009, 3:05:16 PM

When I hit my delay, should I advance the frame before using the radar, or after?
Is there a thread for radar abuse trials?

zetsuzina10 · Aug 10th, 2009, 3:06:57 PM

i maneged to get the same frame 2x in a row but when i am trying to get to the third to confirm that i am saved on that frame i can t seem to hit it
what is going on?

and i have tried it for 3x times now

LightningFusion · Aug 10th, 2009, 3:09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat yawg07

When I hit my delay, should I advance the frame before using the radar, or after?
Is there a thread for radar abuse trials?

No there is no thread, and there won't ever be. We know the basics of it already and there are only a few problems left that are occurring which you cannot help with based on your question.

yawg07 · Aug 10th, 2009, 3:16:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat LightningFusion

No there is no thread, and there won't ever be. We know the basics of it already and there are only a few problems left that are occurring which you cannot help with based on your question.

Care to fill me in? Haha, I really want this Togepi.
Okay, I can't help out, but if it isn't feasible to do this, I'd like to know before I waste any more attempts.

Alchemator · Aug 10th, 2009, 3:46:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Wichu

Yeah, that's what you need to do. Make sure your delay stays the same, though; figure out how long it takes you to press Continue after SRing, and actually reset your game that long before.

I find the easiest way to get the right seconds, without an external clock, is to find a seed with a seconds value of 19.
This is because if you change the clock, turn off the DS after the 'Settings saved' message, immediately turn it back on, and mash A, that's the time that elapses from when you changed it. It means you don't have to synchronise it with an external clock, allowing you to abuse on the move (or without a computer).

Quote:

Wait, Wichu what exactly do you mean?
[Seed with seconds value of 19 in use]

- Change the time
- Quickly turn off and start the game
- Done?

If you could illustrate it step-by-step please. I'm that sort of not-quite-grasping-it person lol sorry

Would someone mind explaining to me exactly what he (she?) meant please?

Destiny100 · Aug 10th, 2009, 4:01:12 PM

Hmm... For some reason when I try owning the RNG downloadable version 7, it says

"Command Line option syntax error. Type Command /? for Help"

Anyone know how I can fix this?

DarkLynx · Aug 10th, 2009, 4:08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat bearsfan092

This is partially true. However, a particular seed doesn't always generate a movement. It seems to depend somewhat on the save file prior to. I tried hitting a 31/A/31/A/31/A spread three times over my vacation. I hit it twice without a hitch. The third time, I had the NPC problem. I suggest resaving then trying again, making sure you are on a frame that is a multiple of 2 under the target.

Thanks bears! I tried it and it worked (on frame 7 xD).

all4game · Aug 10th, 2009, 4:38:49 PM

I'm going for an Adamant Scyther on frame 1226. Encounter slot #6, which is a scyther. 1226 - 2 = 1224, no roaming legengs, so it's 612 taps. Once I hit my delay, I confirmed it with coin flips and made sure the guy on the left didn't move while I was flipping the coins. I did all the taps, then sweet scented, without moving. I ended up on frame 1268 with an Adamant oddish.
What did I do wrong?

Chaos669 · Aug 10th, 2009, 4:41:17 PM

Sometimes NPCs in other routes and areas affect your frame. Also, NPCs in that whole area affect your frame, not just the ones on screen (thanks for the friendly reminder that I forgot to mention Vaps :P). Maybe that was the case. I don't really see another explanation.

Vaporeon · Aug 10th, 2009, 4:41:20 PM

By taps you mean flips right? o.o
And it's not just the NPCs on your screen, it's the NPCs in the whole AREA you're in.

all4game · Aug 10th, 2009, 4:42:57 PM

Thanks. And yeah I meant journal flips. XD
I'll go check the route to see who I missed.

LightningFusion · Aug 10th, 2009, 4:48:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat all4game

I'm going for an Adamant Scyther on frame 1226. Encounter slot #6, which is a scyther. 1226 - 2 = 1224, no roaming legengs, so it's 612 taps. Once I hit my delay, I confirmed it with coin flips and made sure the guy on the left didn't move while I was flipping the coins. I did all the taps, then sweet scented, without moving. I ended up on frame 1268 with an Adamant oddish.
What did I do wrong?

You either did 1 extra journal flip or have roamers out and looked at the wrong app (someone has done this before). Also, you might have hit a different frame that was also a oddish. Like +-2 or 4 or whatever over or under and messed up on journal flips.

all4game · Aug 10th, 2009, 4:52:27 PM

Well I checked all of the frames that had the oddish's ivs, and 1268 was the only one with Oddish's encounter slot.
And I caught all of the roamers a long time ago. :[

turtwigpal · Aug 10th, 2009, 6:51:09 PM

Is there any way as of yet to make your delay lower than normal? Besides increasing the year?

Aug 10th, 2009, 2:18:03 PM	#8603
COKTAL Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 1,054 Right here.	We know that it advances the frame by 15 when using it. But I'm not sure if it will guarente that the pokemon for that spread will be it. It can't hurt to try. __________________ † I am a Christian and proud of it! Copy and paste this if you are too.† White FC: 2064-8475-0644. Heartgold FC: 2493-6336-6451.

Aug 10th, 2009, 2:38:44 PM	#8608
volch Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 127	Is there any way to check the intial seed using a level 50 fixed nature Wondercard poke without using AR to check its IVs? __________________ HG FC: 5414 3912 9876 Battle rules: OU: DT/OHKO/Sleep/SelfKO/Item('cept lefties) I'd prefer if you didn't use legal hacks, but I'd rather just play instead of being a nitpicker.

Aug 10th, 2009, 2:56:50 PM	#8610
volch Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 127	So retrieving the Poke doesn't change the flips? Ugh, this is annoying. Thank you all the same. __________________ HG FC: 5414 3912 9876 Battle rules: OU: DT/OHKO/Sleep/SelfKO/Item('cept lefties) I'd prefer if you didn't use legal hacks, but I'd rather just play instead of being a nitpicker.

Aug 10th, 2009, 2:58:13 PM	#8611
*mingot* free agent Administrator** Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 3,045	No, it does not. Additionally, if you are not doing that many flips you could always just fly to the fight area and then catch something to get your initial seed. But really, the coin flips should be quicker and easier. __________________ Check out the new In-Game section! RNG Reporter/RNG Help Thread (Discuss) RNG Research Thread

Aug 10th, 2009, 3:06:57 PM	#8613
zetsuzina10 Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 7	i maneged to get the same frame 2x in a row but when i am trying to get to the third to confirm that i am saved on that frame i can t seem to hit it what is going on? and i have tried it for 3x times now Last edited by mingot; Aug 10th, 2009 at 3:22:15 PM. Reason: merged

Aug 10th, 2009, 2:16:01 PM	#8601
yawg07 Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 113	Is there a way to do this with PokéRadar pokemon? I haven't found one. I've done a few RNG pokés now, and I was just curious. I found a decent spread for Shiny Calm Ability 1, and want to use it on Togepi. But in Platinum the only way I can do that with catching the Togepi is to radar it on Route 230. Has someone found a way to reliably RNG Radar Pokémon?

Aug 10th, 2009, 2:23:16 PM	#8604
yawg07 Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 113	Hmmm, so when you activate the radar, it advances frame by 15. And walking through the grass advances 1 per step, and turning and walking is 2 advances. Now, what exactly does 'turning and walking' mean? Is that 180 degree turn, or even the 90 degree ones? I don't want to mess up something so simple. I've RNG'd fishing for a Magikarp and standing in front of Azelf, I haven't done a grass one yet, so sorry for the dumb questions.

Aug 10th, 2009, 2:34:02 PM	#8607
yawg07 Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 113	Oh! lol well it is a good thing I haven't attempted yet. Anything else I should know before starting? I'd be glad to report my results when I'm done. Even though I'm a novice, I feel like I can help.

Aug 10th, 2009, 3:05:16 PM	#8612
yawg07 Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 113	When I hit my delay, should I advance the frame before using the radar, or after? Is there a thread for radar abuse trials?

Aug 10th, 2009, 4:01:12 PM	#8617
Destiny100 Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 785 United Kingdom	Hmm... For some reason when I try owning the RNG downloadable version 7, it says "Command Line option syntax error. Type Command /? for Help" Anyone know how I can fix this?

Aug 10th, 2009, 4:38:49 PM	#8619
all4game Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 1,126 near philly.	I'm going for an Adamant Scyther on frame 1226. Encounter slot #6, which is a scyther. 1226 - 2 = 1224, no roaming legengs, so it's 612 taps. Once I hit my delay, I confirmed it with coin flips and made sure the guy on the left didn't move while I was flipping the coins. I did all the taps, then sweet scented, without moving. I ended up on frame 1268 with an Adamant oddish. What did I do wrong? __________________ D: 4812 1718 0059 (use this most.) HG: 1591 7100 4652 (FINAL) Trade Thread Don't post.

Aug 10th, 2009, 4:41:17 PM	#8620
Chaos669 Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 1,053 In your head...	Sometimes NPCs in other routes and areas affect your frame. Also, NPCs in that whole area affect your frame, not just the ones on screen (thanks for the friendly reminder that I forgot to mention Vaps :P). Maybe that was the case. I don't really see another explanation. __________________ TRADING Pearl FC: 0302 7515 5364 OTHER Platinum FC: 1762 9814 5619 Need something? Check out Smogon Services! Blackwater Park - My Trade Thread! Check out the Smogon Weekly Spriting Contest!

Aug 10th, 2009, 4:41:20 PM	#8621
Vaporeon Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,250	By taps you mean flips right? o.o And it's not just the NPCs on your screen, it's the NPCs in the whole AREA you're in. __________________ Trade Thread ♥ Wants Pearl FC: 1848-0445-1030

Aug 10th, 2009, 4:42:57 PM	#8622
all4game Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 1,126 near philly.	Thanks. And yeah I meant journal flips. XD I'll go check the route to see who I missed. __________________ D: 4812 1718 0059 (use this most.) HG: 1591 7100 4652 (FINAL) Trade Thread Don't post.

Aug 10th, 2009, 4:52:27 PM	#8624
all4game Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 1,126 near philly.	Well I checked all of the frames that had the oddish's ivs, and 1268 was the only one with Oddish's encounter slot. And I caught all of the roamers a long time ago. :[ __________________ D: 4812 1718 0059 (use this most.) HG: 1591 7100 4652 (FINAL) Trade Thread Don't post.

Aug 10th, 2009, 6:51:09 PM	#8625
turtwigpal Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 952	Is there any way as of yet to make your delay lower than normal? Besides increasing the year? Last edited by turtwigpal; Aug 10th, 2009 at 7:00:08 PM. Reason: Said decreasing instead of increasing