Most Generation PRNG Help / Information

[mattj]

Originally Posted by Fat Zog

So has the FR/LG abuse information been posted or what?

It's been ages now and I haven't seen anything about the method anywhere. Just people on trade threads apparently trading results of it.

I've been wondering about that myself. :/

[PClaire]

Originally Posted by Fat riddlinkid

Maybe you need to check your ID/SID...if it's the right nature every time but not shiny that's most likely it. I've made that mistake before, just double/triple check it.

I thought the same too, but after I re-checked it a couple times I have to conclude that if that method always works 100% of the time, then my SID must be correct. (confirmed with a Shiny Golem caught in same game pak, using Metalkid's IV Calc every level from 51-69, with verified HP type[Psychic], and going through the math posted in mingot's Deducing page).
I plan on doing an IV battle in a few minutes with a friend to check the IVs again, but the only way that would do me any good was if Metalkid's IV Calc was wrong, and I sincerely doubt that being a possibility.

I'm really wishing I had another Shiny from this pak, in case I happen to have run into some glitch in the programming(I trust you guys a little more than GameFreak :P). I managed to grab a japanese ditto though, so at least I'll fail faster the next couple times(I know to switch it to International, yep).


One question though. In the RNG Reporter, it tells me X amount of times to "jump" the happiness checker, and then X amount of times to flip the coin. BUT ALSO, on the bottom under the chart of pokemon generated, it says "Coin Flips for Seed: " followed by H's and T's. Do I need to flip the coin an additional 10 times after the jumps+coinflips? (It still doesn't make sense, since I'm always getting the correct Nature, but maybe I'm just a little daft, and by some fluke it was trying to trick me into thinking I was doing it right?)

(gamer22, thanks, but, as little as I trust microsoft, it doesn't warn me about running RNGr, but it warns me not to run ShinyFinder, and I just haven't known you guys long enough yet ^_^;;; )

[riddlinkid]

Originally Posted by Fat PClaire

I thought the same too, but after I re-checked it a couple times I have to conclude that if that method always works 100% of the time, then my SID must be correct. (confirmed with a Shiny Golem caught in same game pak, using Metalkid's IV Calc every level from 51-69, with verified HP type[Psychic], and going through the math posted in mingot's Deducing page).
I plan on doing an IV battle in a few minutes with a friend to check the IVs again, but the only way that would do me any good was if Metalkid's IV Calc was wrong, and I sincerely doubt that being a possibility.

I'm really wishing I had another Shiny from this pak, in case I happen to have run into some glitch in the programming(I trust you guys a little more than GameFreak :P). I managed to grab a japanese ditto though, so at least I'll fail faster the next couple times(I know to switch it to International, yep).


One question though. In the RNG Reporter, it tells me X amount of times to "jump" the happiness checker, and then X amount of times to flip the coin. BUT ALSO, on the bottom under the chart of pokemon generated, it says "Coin Flips for Seed: " followed by H's and T's. Do I need to flip the coin an additional 10 times after the jumps+coinflips? (It still doesn't make sense, since I'm always getting the correct Nature, but maybe I'm just a little daft, and by some fluke it was trying to trick me into thinking I was doing it right?)

(gamer22, thanks, but, as little as I trust microsoft, it doesn't warn me about running RNGr, but it warns me not to run ShinyFinder, and I just haven't known you guys long enough yet ^_^;;; )

Coin flips for seed is just a way to verify that you hit your seed. You don't need to worry about that for what you're doing, you don't need to do any more coin flips than it tells you.

[PClaire]

Originally Posted by Fat riddlinkid

Coin flips for seed is just a way to verify that you hit your seed. You don't need to worry about that for what you're doing, you don't need to do any more coin flips than it tells you.

Damn... I've been doing that part right all along then. :(

(edit: weird.... I just failed again, and not only was it the wrong nature, but the only reasonable way I could've hit the resulting Nature is by accidentally jumping one time too many, and flipping one time too few.... but it was only 6 flips, so it still seems ridiculous, as I know I can count to 6. :/ Alright, I'm definitely stumped....)

[riddlinkid]

Originally Posted by Fat PClaire

Damn... I've been doing that part right all along then. :(

Believe it or not, the one time I messed up it was my ID, not my SID. It only had like two different numbers in it and I mixed them up and never even thought to re-check it.

[mingot**]

Originally Posted by Fat PClaire

I plan on doing an IV battle in a few minutes with a friend to check the IVs again, but the only way that would do me any good was if Metalkid's IV Calc was wrong, and I sincerely doubt that being a possibility.

I found a bug in it last month :P

(gamer22, thanks, but, as little as I trust microsoft, it doesn't warn me about running RNGr, but it warns me not to run ShinyFinder, and I just haven't known you guys long enough yet ^_^;;; )

ShinyFinder is not malware, but the author actually built the functionality of ShinyFinder directly into RNG Reporter, so there is really not much of a need to use it anymore.

Seriously, You probably do have the ID/SID either wrong or incorrectly typed. I have went ahead and added some troubleshooting tips to the article that will be going on site, so here is a link to a mock up of the final page.

all the way at the bottom.

http://users.smogon.com/mingot/temp/rngdppt/dppt_rng_1

[43R0D4CTYL]

Hey guys, I´ve got another question:
What is the frame number of giratina in platinum in the torn world? I tried to catch one after hitting the right delays, but 2 times it was wrong so maybe i took the wrong frame.

[LightningFusion]

Originally Posted by Fat 43R0D4CTYL

Hey guys, I´ve got another question:
What is the frame number of giratina in platinum in the torn world? I tried to catch one after hitting the right delays, but 2 times it was wrong so maybe i took the wrong frame.

According to many people and the OP the frame number is 12. But some people have been experiencing an additional 11 frames being advance the first time the open the journal. If you seem to keep going over by 11, that is probably why. If you got it wrong twice, and you did the correct number of journal flips, you should be able to find out what frame you got and how much over you were.

[sasuke-kun19]

Originally Posted by Fat LightningFusion

According to many people and the OP the frame number is 12. But some people have been experiencing an additional 11 frames being advance the first time the open the journal. If you seem to keep going over by 11, that is probably why. If you got it wrong twice, and you did the correct number of journal flips, you should be able to find out what frame you got and how much over you were.

i can confirme... I was looking for a flawless bold giratina, but I always missed the frame of 11! knowing that, I finally hit my frame!

[43R0D4CTYL]

Sry that I didn´t understand you (not English, sry).
My Giratina´s Target frame is 18. I expected 2 times 12 as starting frame and flipped the journal 3 times to reach that 18. But both times I got the wrong giratina. So what will I have to do according to your advice?

[Dan Dan]

Find out what frame the Giratina you did catch is on, and work back from there as to how many flips you really need to do.

[43R0D4CTYL]

And how can i find out what frame giratina is on (and does it have to be the exactly same giratina I´m going to catch to check that or can I do it with any)?

[LightningFusion]

Originally Posted by Fat 43R0D4CTYL

And how can i find out what frame giratina is on (and does it have to be the exactly same giratina I´m going to catch to check that or can I do it with any)?

You get on your seed, you do what you think is the correct amount of journal flips (3) and catch giratina. Then, in RNG reporter, hit generate for method J for the list of frames you can get. Find out where the giratina you caught ends up on which frame.

[43R0D4CTYL]

Ok, i cought my giratina again. So the next thing on rng reprter I did, is first changed the "method" tab to "method j". Then i simply clicked "generate". So there was a list and I wrote down that data on frame 18, is that correct? But there was listed a different nature, different IVs and a different hp. What does that mean now?

[Haile Selassie]

Reposting:

think I'm not quite done yet with the info needed.

Is a seed picked when I talk to say Mewtwo? He will say "Mew!" or something like that. Or when I actually press A afterwards and the battle is started?

Also, when I've got this seed, I enter it in the main menu, right? So, I search for a spread, when I find one, do I need to add up/take down a certain amount of numbers to get the time I need to wait, or I take the time listed?

Because I tried it, but the spread I got was for a nine minute wait, I only had a 4.45 minute wait. I don't see how I could've add 5 more minutes.

I think I did something wrong when I checked the seed, but I do not know what :/

[Negator]

Originally Posted by Fat Haile Selassie

Reposting:

think I'm not quite done yet with the info needed.

Is a seed picked when I talk to say Mewtwo? He will say "Mew!" or something like that. Or when I actually press A afterwards and the battle is started?

Also, when I've got this seed, I enter it in the main menu, right? So, I search for a spread, when I find one, do I need to add up/take down a certain amount of numbers to get the time I need to wait, or I take the time listed?

Because I tried it, but the spread I got was for a nine minute wait, I only had a 4.45 minute wait. I don't see how I could've add 5 more minutes.

I think I did something wrong when I checked the seed, but I do not know what :/

what you are saying, if you did all in the right way, it's not your fault, it's because the FR/LG, RNG, while you're in a doungeon, runs faster, it runs at 120 fps instead of 60, but, notice that isn't really the game speed that's increased, it's like that you can hit only ODD or EVEN spreads, like, the game start skipping all even spreads, or all even...
Said so, you can hit only certain ODD or EVEN spreads, so, if you're using Mingot's Tool... make sure that your target Spread has and ODD Frame number, otherwise you'll skip it, since as I said, you'll hit only ODD or EVEN spread, but because mingot tool start counting them as 1 instead of 0, you want to hits ODD ones.
If your target spread is even, all you need to do is to mess up with the game menus, by saving the game, or just entering into the SAVE menu, and then closing it. This will change the kind of spreads that you can hit.
I've the suspect that any menu does that trick, so even just opening and closing, (for example) the pkm menu, should change the kind of spreads that you can hit.

[LightningFusion]

When it says "Mew!" the RNG is still running. So when you press A to get rid of this, is when it stops. Yes main menu, method 1. You use save states to do this so when you get close, you save state. What you do is load the state, run it for a minute, and then battle and capture mewtwo. Then find out what frame you got, and that is how many frames you get per minute. Then you find out your target frame and divide by the number of frames you got for the minute.

[¬Linkinø~™]

I'm in Fullmoon island and I'd like caught a Perfect Darkrai with RNG (my frame is 71 and Darkrai's Frame is 1) but now there are two roaming Pokèmon. Usually the calculate is (71-1-)/2 = 35 but now, with the two Roaming Pokèmon, how can caught Darkrai ?

[riddlinkid]

Originally Posted by Fat ¬Linkinø~™

I'm in Fullmoon island and I'd like caught a Perfect Darkrai with RNG (my frame is 71 and Darkrai's Frame is 1) but now there are two roaming Pokèmon. Usually the calculate is (71-1-)/2 = 35 but now, with the two Roaming Pokèmon, how can caught Darkrai ?

If you have two roamers, you would calculate: (71-2-1)/2 = 34 journal flips.

[BlueCookies]

Originally Posted by Fat LightningFusion

When it says "Mew!" the RNG is still running. So when you press A to get rid of this, is when it stops. Yes main menu, method 1. You use save states to do this so when you get close, you save state. What you do is load the state, run it for a minute, and then battle and capture mewtwo. Then find out what frame you got, and that is how many frames you get per minute. Then you find out your target frame and divide by the number of frames you got for the minute.

So there is no way to rng in Fr/Lg without using save states, or it just makes it easier to rng?

[LightningFusion]

Originally Posted by Fat BlueCookies

So there is no way to rng in Fr/Lg without using save states, or it just makes it easier to rng?

NeoSyrex claims he knows how it is seeded and said it "could" be done without save states, but as of now it requires save states.

[mattj]

Originally Posted by Fat LightningFusion

NeoSyrex claims he knows how it is seeded and said it "could" be done without save states, but as of now it requires save states.

So I've got all the forms of RNG from the OP down pat for Pearl and Plat, but what is a "save state"?

[LightningFusion]

Originally Posted by Fat mattj

So I've got all the forms of RNG from the OP down pat for Pearl and Plat, but what is a "save state"?

It is where you save your game during any part of it. You can do a save state during battles, after you get your seed, at any point. Cyclo and some emulators have them. Really shouldn't be talking about these I think :S

[Age of Kings]

Quick question, does the Buneary in Solaceon advance the frame?

In the OP it says things with a set movement do not advance the RNG but I've gotten different frames depending on how much it moves, if that makes any sense.

[riddlinkid]

Originally Posted by Fat Age of Kings

Quick question, does the Buneary in Solaceon advance the frame?

In the OP it says things with a set movement do not advance the RNG but I've gotten different frames depending on how much it moves, if that makes any sense.

You get different frames based on where it is because the other NPCs are moving at different times in Solaceon. You may be able to tell what frame you get when it's in a certain position, but it does not change based upon the Buneary's movements (I think).