Most Generation PRNG Help / Information

[Sixfortyfive]

I'm trying to catch flawless Dittos in the Trophy Garden on Platinum version. From searching this thread, I have found that the relevant daily encounter slots are 6 (today) and 7 (yesterday). Ditto was yesterday's Pokemon of the day for me, and now I am soft-resetting to try and get Ditto to be today's Pokemon as well so that I have more possible frames to use.

However, I've been soft-resetting for several hours at this point, and not once has Backlot said that Ditto is in his garden. Is it impossible to get Ditto two days in a row or is this just bad luck?

[Newts]

Originally Posted by Fat Sixfortyfive

I'm trying to catch flawless Dittos in the Trophy Garden on Platinum version. From searching this thread, I have found that the relevant daily encounter slots are 6 (today) and 7 (yesterday). Ditto was yesterday's Pokemon of the day for me, and now I am soft-resetting to try and get Ditto to be today's Pokemon as well so that I have more possible frames to use.

However, I've been soft-resetting for several hours at this point, and not once has Backlot said that Ditto is in his garden. Is it impossible to get Ditto two days in a row or is this just bad luck?

If you take a look at the start of my trade thread you will see a whole bunch of dittos with varying natures and Flawless Hidden Power IVs. Every last one of them were caught using encounter slot 7. So thats an option if you cannot get both 6 and 7 cranking. Whether or not its possible I cannot answer though.

[imapedarsag]

Can an expert read my post here and then tell me if "wondercard" rng really exists or in fact is just Method 1?

[Newts]

Originally Posted by Fat imapedarsag

Can an expert read my post here and then tell me if "wondercard" rng really exists or in fact is just Method 1?

Wondercard PIDs are generated using Method 1 + 2 frames. That is all explained in the OP

I can verify resetting using the same seed, same time, same frame number multiple times and each time getting the same IVs with a random nature. For example I have been resetting for this Jirachi and have so far gotten Adamant, Hardy, Naive, Modest, and Quirky

 
848045179F 50c8d32a (JOLLY, ability 0) 31/31/31/29/31/0 (Seed: 0403086d Frame: 4) HP ICE 54

Its method 1 Frame 1
And I'm recieving Frame 3 by having the journal pop up automatically and collecting it before the NPC moves

Still waiting on Brave =/

[imapedarsag]

ok then, new question, how come in the OP it says the PID is not discoverable, but in fact it easily is. it's just the PID of the method 1 you're adding 2 to.

EDIT: i do 56 flips, with one wandering pokemon, before any NPC moves and I get Frame 114 in Method 1 or Frame 116 in Wondercard. this makes sense doesn't it?

[Newts]

Originally Posted by Fat imapedarsag

ok then, new question, how come in the OP it says the PID is not discoverable, but in fact it easily is. it's just the PID of the method 1 you're adding 2 to.

EDIT: i do 56 flips, with one wandering pokemon, before any NPC moves and I get Frame 114 in Method 1 or Frame 116 in Wondercard. this makes sense doesn't it?

The IVs are set using the typical Method 1 PID, but being a wondercard its own PID is different. If you have the ability to convert your poke into a file, or can open your sav into that evil P program you will be able to see that even though you have the IVs of your Method 1 frame, your PID will be completely different.

EDIT ummm 56*2+1 = 113.... you should be collecting it on 116

EDIT 2: woops missed the monster frame, its 114, but you should still be collecting it after 57 flips

[imapedarsag]

so then why are the natures coming out to be the same as the ones in Method 1 for me, like wondercard Frame 116 has the nature AND ivs of Method 1 Frame 114

EDIT 56*2+1+1+2
flips*2+wandering+monster frame+2 to make it wondercard iv

i checked it, i hit the correct frame using this

[Newts]

No no no your getting mixed up there =/ the game doesn't add 2, you need to advance 2 more than the method 1 frame..... Thats like saying I'll get to frame 114 and get the method J poke on frame 93

Are you 100% sure that 56 flips with 1 roamer gets you flawless? You should be getting 18 27 27 10 30 2

EDIT I'll send you a PM, don't wanna ask you something that will have you violate the rules

[imapedarsag]

my whole point is that it worked, i did 56 flips and it worked. i got the nature and IV's of Method 1 frame 114. im completely agreeing with you, im just asking how on earth this could have happened?(im positive there were no NPC movements.)

[Pickle Inspector]

I had a quick question: Does the soot on stark mountain count as "weather"?

[Shananiganeer]

I was looking through X-Act's article on PID info, and I was wondering if I was understanding it correctly, or if there was a mistake. The numbers listed as benchmarks for gender determination don't return the correct percentages. Assuming it's right the gender ratios should be 12.1% F, 25% F, 49.6% F, and 74.6% F.

Assuming that the gender ratios are in fact correct the max values for female pokemon should be 31(30 in the article), 63(same as the article), 127(126 in the article), and 191(190 in the article). Has anyone tested these numbers to see if they return male or female? I'm about to do it myself, but if it's already been done then I can save the effort.

[mingot**]

Originally Posted by Fat Shananiganeer

I was looking through X-Act's article on PID info, and I was wondering if I was understanding it correctly, or if there was a mistake. The numbers listed as benchmarks for gender determination don't return the correct percentages. Assuming it's right the gender ratios should be 12.1% F, 25% F, 49.6% F, and 74.6% F.

Assuming that the gender ratios are in fact correct the max values for female pokemon should be 31(30 in the article), 63(same as the article), 127(126 in the article), and 191(190 in the article). Has anyone tested these numbers to see if they return male or female? I'm about to do it myself, but if it's already been done then I can save the effort.

My first thought is that the article (and actually RNG Reporter, since I used the information directly from the article) are both currently incorrect. I think the numbers should be (same that you came up with):

31
63 (currently correct)
127
191

I went to bulbapedia to double check and it turns out there is a (different) error there, which confused me for a minute. Anyhow, ingame verification would be great, if you can. Once we get that straight, I will update the article on site and release an interim RNG Reporter. Sort of surprised this has not been caught yet with a "hey, I got the wrong gender!" post.

[dtruth]

Recently I finally got the hang of Rng, but the only thing I can't get is the shiny pokemon part of it. I followed the directions already with no luck so now im wondering does the Shiny Egg tab in Time Finder work just as well as the other method?

[Shananiganeer]

Well despite what I thought the article is right. Only tested 191, so it's not 100%, but this turned up male. Will test the others eventually.

PID: E9BFADBF
Seed: 1C0B026D
Frame: 349
12|10|15|11|9|12

[Misdreavus]

I tried resetting for my second fully flawless WonderCard Pokémon, and with one roamer out, got frame 27 instead of 26 (seed FB100958). I was in the Jubilife Mart, where there is only 1 wandering NPC, and I spoke to the delivery man as quickly as possible (I had the Journal come up automatically and did the flipping then). I did, however, save standing to the left of him, meaning that when I pressed A to talk to him, he turned to his right in order to face me. Did his turning advance the RNG from 26 to 27, or was it just that the lone wandering NPC moved before I initiated the conversation?

[mingot**]

Originally Posted by Fat Shananiganeer

Well despite what I thought the article is right. Only tested 191, so it's not 100%, but this turned up male. Will test the others eventually.

PID: E9BFADBF
Seed: 1C0B026D
Frame: 349
12|10|15|11|9|12

What monster?

[DjGopher]

I finally got my delay right for a PID abuse and I did my 10 verification flips and am now required 1 tap and 8 flips. That means I do flips first then taps then flip away, yes? Because last time I got to this step it came out wrong...

[Jubilee]

Originally Posted by Fat DjGopher

I finally got my delay right for a PID abuse and I did my 10 verification flips and am now required 1 tap and 8 flips. That means I do flips first then taps then flip away, yes? Because last time I got to this step it came out wrong...

Yea as long as you dont have the Happiness App showing when you continue into the game or flip to it twice and do the correct amount of taps/flips you should get it :)

[Shananiganeer]

PID: d44a3b7f
Seed: 1C0B0271
Frame: 163
12,1,7,0,13,24,2,10

Lol totally forgot bout that. Yea was the wrong ratio. Correctly tested it by catching this male(still surprised) Gyarados. Disappointing, I was thinking gender was being determined by if( PID Gender < 256*♀% ){ Gender = ♀ }.

[DjGopher]

Originally Posted by Fat Steveebomb7134

Yea as long as you dont have the Happiness App showing when you continue into the game or flip to it twice and do the correct amount of taps/flips you should get it :)

Came out wrong :D Seccond time in a row.
My date and time are set properly and I'm 100% sure I had the right flip pattern + coin flips + taps.
Maybe it's a close delay with the same tap pattern? Unlikely... but possible..
Maybe I have the wrong sid
Or maybe the rng reporter gave me the wrong information being that my computer can't instal .net framework due to administrative locks.
Any suggestions?

[Shananiganeer]

Even if you had the wrong SID the pokemon you bred would still have the correct Nature, Ability, and Gender it just wouldn't be shiny. Since it's all wrong you hit a different spread, or you have an international parent AND your SID is wrong.

[DjGopher]

is there a required amount of party pokemon? I only had 4..

[The Giritina-man]

Is there a required amount of party pokemon for WonderCard abuse?

[Shananiganeer]

No, Wonder Cards do not use the IRNG.

[Dan Dan]

Originally Posted by Fat DjGopher

is there a required amount of party pokemon? I only had 4..

You need 6 in your party when you do the Happiness Taps/Coin Flips.