Most Generation PRNG Help / Information

[Pickle Inspector]

When you are doing the happiness checker double taps, if you tap the empty space once, but the pokemon don't jump, does that effect the IRNG at all?

Also, does the soot at stark mountain count as "weather"?

[Shananiganeer]

If the pokemon do not jump, then the IRNG is not advanced. I'm fairly sure that the game uses each call of the IRNG to generate velocities along the x and y axis resulting in the direction each pokemon moves(thus 2 calls per pokemon).

Idk bout the soot. It's not tough to test though. Go there, hit any seed you can verify with flips, wait a bit, sweet scent, and see if the pokemon came from frame 2(soot isn't weather) or higher(soot is weather).

[COKTAL]

Or you could just use Sweet Scent. If I remeber correctly, sweet scent won't work in weather like the Sandstorm. But I've got no idea for sure.

[Shananiganeer]

True enough. Load up your game, wait a bit and then sweet scent. Same deal about the frame.

[Sixfortyfive]

Has anybody compiled a list of seeds that produce perfect IV spreads (for captured Pokemon specifically)? The spreadsheets at the bottom of this page have a fairly large list of spreads, but few of them have all 31s. After glancing over the Excel sheets and adding in a couple that I found myself, these are all I've got:

PID 7942EF72, TIMID, ABILITY 0, ALL 31, F/M/M/F
83010273
D2140289
ED0B025A
F0070259

PID F9426F72, MODEST, ABILITY 0, ALL 31, F/M/M/F
3010273
52140289

PID 685011A9, MODEST, ABILITY 1, ALL 31, M/M/M/F
3F0B02AA

PID E85091A9, DOCILE, ABILITY 1, ALL 31, M/M/M/F
BF0B02AA

I want to try and find perfect spreads for other natures. I'm willing to search for more myself, but I don't want to repeat somebody else's work in the event that it's already been done.

[Shananiganeer]

I don't think there is a specific list, but the spreads in those spreadsheets include all of the flawless spreads. The JavaRNG tool on the first page of this thread can also pretty quickly search all spreads for specific/range of ivs and will output to a .csv.

[Sixfortyfive]

Originally Posted by Fat Shananiganeer

I don't think there is a specific list, but the spreads in those spreadsheets include all of the flawless spreads. The JavaRNG tool on the first page of this thread can also pretty quickly search all spreads for specific/range of ivs and will output to a .csv.

Ah, thanks.

So I assume that it's impossible to get absolutely perfect spreads for wild Pokemon of certain natures, and that you'd have to breed in order to guarantee all 31s?

[Shananiganeer]

Yea that's right.

[Syberia]

Originally Posted by Fat mtsilverchampion

You misunderstand. If you'd ever played on DeSmuMe using Kazo's frame finder program you'd know that frame advancements in areas with wild Pokemon are not consistent. Therefore 140 steps/turns does NOT advance the frame by 140. I thought you would have known that mattj since you claim to have RNG'd in HG/SS. Is it not stated in the HG/SS research thread that turning to or from your Pokemon advances your frame by 2? Not to mention I did that while RNG'ing the dogs and it advance by 2, 3 or even 4.

What is this frame finder program?

[locoghoul]

So, I've done some pokeradar abuse in the past. I'm gonna try to catch that #@$%T$^ Beldum again and I wanted to know if instead of catching the first poke to confirm my seed (since sandstorm messes up the coin flips) I kill it, how will that affect the frame advancement? From the pokeradar guide if you catch the first poke it says "Target frame - actual frame - 6 - number of steps / 2 = journal flips" Is that 6 from catching a pokemon??

[DjGopher]

I need to know my starting frame. I have no action replay, so I need an iv battle. Will saving to go to the wifi room mess up my frame?
(egg iv abuse)

[Showsni]

Couldn't you guesstimate the IVs based on the characteristic and a few rare candies? With maybe that Battle Frontier guy? It'd probably be enough to work out which frame you're on, anyway.

[The Giritina-man]

Well, you see, the thing is, there could be more than 1 IV that has 31 and that's where the IV battles come in.
As far as using the BF (Emerald or Pt), I don't know if it'll work or not.
BUt if you have a 100+ Rare Candies, go ahead and level up to at least 50 (20 may work) and use Metalkid's IV calculator to check out the IV's.

[Jubilee]

Originally Posted by Fat DjGopher

I need to know my starting frame. I have no action replay, so I need an iv battle. Will saving to go to the wifi room mess up my frame?
(egg iv abuse)

Yes it will advance the frame but will it matter? No because you already collected the egg... You shouldnt be saving anyways.... Because then you'll have to get a new egg and save again O_o
You are talking about finding what frame your hitting for Egg IV abuse right?

[Tooks]

The "how to hatch a shiny pokemon guid" says that it has to be a 24-hour clock,but the clock on my Ds isn't,is there anyway I can fix this?

[Lightsabre]

what are some good routes to start attempting wild RNG abuse on? i.e. what routes have nothing outside of your conrol that advances the RNG?

EDIT: thanks steveebomb

[Dan Dan]

When I didn't have an AR, I used the Day Care and took the 'mon out every other level, entering the stats as I went. You can usually get an idea of what frame you are on by about lvl 10, if you use Metalkid's Calculator and enter all the stats as you level up. Be careful not to lose any egg moves though!

[Jubilee]

Originally Posted by Fat Lightsabre

what are some good routes to start attempting wild RNG abuse on? i.e. what routes have nothing outside of your conrol that advances the RNG?

Theres plenty of places, and even if there are NPC's in the area you can stop some of them with the VS.Seeker so they wont advance the frame :)
Theres Fuego Ironworks, Pokemon League, Old Chateu (lol ghastly only), some parts of Mt.Coronet Caves

[COKTAL]

Originally Posted by Fat Lightsabre

what are some good routes to start attempting wild RNG abuse on? i.e. what routes have nothing outside of your conrol that advances the RNG?

EDIT: thanks steveebomb

Adding to what Stevee said, Valley Windworks has no NPCs or trainers you have to battle, so you just have to hit your delay and frame :)

[DjGopher]

Ok guys sorry for all the questions but this is the last. I'm not able to get my journal to say I had a battle. Any suggestions? (yes I've done a battle, killed it every time, saved afterwards.)

[ΩDonut]

Originally Posted by Fat DjGopher

Ok guys sorry for all the questions but this is the last. I'm not able to get my journal to say I had a battle. Any suggestions? (yes I've done a battle, killed it every time, saved afterwards.)

Just keep trying. Do several battles at a time before saving.

Also, try capturing something. That seems to have a greater chance of success.

[Tooks]

Originally Posted by Fat Mat Exe

The "How to hatch a shiny pokemon guide" says that it has to be a 24-hour clock,but the clock on my Ds isn't,is there anyway I can fix this?

May sound like a noobish question but..

[The Giritina-man]

"OH great masters of RNG, I beseech thee. Is a spead of 10/31/31/31/31/31 possible for a Kingdra, nature being Jolly/Adamant?"

[Rysta]

Originally Posted by Fat The Giritina-man

"OH great masters of RNG, I beseech thee. Is a spead of 10/31/31/31/31/31 possible for a Kingdra, nature being Jolly/Adamant?"

Adamant is, Jolly isn't. According to the IV/PID thing. Adamant is on seed F012099D.

[pikachu25]

Originally Posted by Fat The Giritina-man

"OH great masters of RNG, I beseech thee. Is a spead of 10/31/31/31/31/31 possible for a Kingdra, nature being Jolly/Adamant?"

If you breed it though, any spread is possible.