Most Generation PRNG Help / Information

[Ferrouswheel]

Originally Posted by Fat SparkTEHfuze

Does it go up or down?
E.g. My current delay is 600.
Inserting the cartidge would then make it 599 or 601...?
Or none of the above? o.O

It's hard to determine, because people don't constantly hit the exact same delay, so it doesn't really matter that much.

And G-Man, I just wanted to make sure that anyone who was just starting to RNG on another platform didn't get screwed up. As I said, it was a corollary, not a correction.

[The Giritina-man]

Well, thanks for telling me in a kinder way.

And speaking of delays, it really takes practice right? What should say happen if you find a common delay and end up having a Date of say, 2222?
What would your opinion be on that? Would the popular pikatimer fix that?

[Ferrouswheel]

Originally Posted by Fat The Giritina-man

Well, thanks for telling me in a kinder way.

And speaking of delays, it really takes practice right? What should say happen if you find a common delay and end up having a Date of say, 2222?
What would your opinion be on that? Would the popular pikatimer fix that?

I never calibrated by just jamming 'A', I've used emloop since I began, and it lets me hatch/capture everything in a reasonable year, and it helps if you want to learn to RNG a ID/SID combo.

[DukeTheDevil]

Originally Posted by Fat The Giritina-man

Well, thanks for telling me in a kinder way.

And speaking of delays, it really takes practice right? What should say happen if you find a common delay and end up having a Date of say, 2222?
What would your opinion be on that? Would the popular pikatimer fix that?

the highest year you can have on a DS is 2099 and the lowest is 2000

[SparkTEHfuze]

BLARG.
Alright, I'm back with another problem, but the strangest one I've ever faced :S
So I'm using RNG Reporter to try and Method J a Pokemon.
I'm also using an AR to check IV's and catch the darn thing.
I'm at Stark Mountain area just outside the entrance and I've rebattled and defeated the Dragon Tamer, meaning he shouldn't be messing with my frame advances.
HOWEVER
Everytime I check my seed using the coin flip, it keeps telling me that there is no matchs!
I've tried several times, and I keep getting no matches.
I've checked the date at least 10 times and I've also expanded the delay range for the coin flip check to look, but still no dice.
Anyone have any ideas...?

[DukeTheDevil]

Originally Posted by Fat SparkTEHfuze

BLARG.
Alright, I'm back with another problem, but the strangest one I've ever faced :S
So I'm using RNG Reporter to try and Method J a Pokemon.
I'm also using an AR to check IV's and catch the darn thing.
I'm at Stark Mountain area just outside the entrance and I've rebattled and defeated the Dragon Tamer, meaning he shouldn't be messing with my frame advances.
HOWEVER
Everytime I check my seed using the coin flip, it keeps telling me that there is no matchs!
I've tried several times, and I keep getting no matches.
I've checked the date at least 10 times and I've also expanded the delay range for the coin flip check to look, but still no dice.
Anyone have any ideas...?

You either have your date wrong or are horrible at hitting your delay.

Why are you outside of Stark Mountain if your trying to catch a Method J? Its much better to save in front of the pokemon u wanna catch.

[SparkTEHfuze]

Originally Posted by Fat DukeTheDevil

You either have your date wrong or are horrible at hitting your delay.

Why are you outside of Stark Mountain if your trying to catch a Method J? Its much better to save in front of the pokemon u wanna catch.

The date is definitely not wrong because I've verrified it a million times.
And I'm definitely not horrible at hitting my delay, since less than 10 minutes ago it was checking my stuff just fine and I caught something :S
And you can't save in front of trying to catch a wild Pokemon >.>

[Nexus]

Originally Posted by Fat SparkTEHfuze

BLARG.
Alright, I'm back with another problem, but the strangest one I've ever faced :S
So I'm using RNG Reporter to try and Method J a Pokemon.
I'm also using an AR to check IV's and catch the darn thing.
I'm at Stark Mountain area just outside the entrance and I've rebattled and defeated the Dragon Tamer, meaning he shouldn't be messing with my frame advances.
HOWEVER
Everytime I check my seed using the coin flip, it keeps telling me that there is no matchs!
I've tried several times, and I keep getting no matches.
I've checked the date at least 10 times and I've also expanded the delay range for the coin flip check to look, but still no dice.
Anyone have any ideas...?

the coin flips don't work because the ash falling from stark mountain counts as a weather condition, and weather conditions screw around with the coin flips so you can't use the coin flips to check your seed/delay

[Jubilee]

Originally Posted by Fat SparkTEHfuze

The date is definitely not wrong because I've verrified it a million times.
And I'm definitely not horrible at hitting my delay, since less than 10 minutes ago it was checking my stuff just fine and I caught something :S
And you can't save in front of trying to catch a wild Pokemon >.>

Weather (such as the smoke in Stark Mountain) Affects the RNG and will make your coin flips off. So either abuse the Pokemon inside the cave (if it has an encounter slot)
Or I believe youll have to catch a pokemon and check its IV's and use the seed to time function to find your seed and delay
EDIT: DARN YOU NEX!

[Ferrouswheel]

Originally Posted by Fat SparkTEHfuze

The date is definitely not wrong because I've verrified it a million times.
And I'm definitely not horrible at hitting my delay, since less than 10 minutes ago it was checking my stuff just fine and I caught something :S
And you can't save in front of trying to catch a wild Pokemon >.>

What are you trying to capture? And remember that if all else fails, you could just capture something and use that to make sure that you've been landing on the right delays for the next try.

[SparkTEHfuze]

GAWD DAMN IT!
Stupid smoke >.>
Thanks guys :P
Cept now I need to sleep, so I just wasted a good... hour? o.O

[Princess Emily]

To be precise, pls tell me the frame no., presence of wandering NPCs, frame advancement availability, and Method for each of the following Pokes in HG/SS:

Raikou
Entei
Suicune
Ho-Oh
Lugia
Red Gyarados
Lati@s (non-Wi-Fi)
Lati@s (Wi-Fi)
Articuno
Zapdos
Moltres
Mewtwo
Starter Pokemon
Togepi Egg

Please tell us...

[Nexus]

Originally Posted by Fat Emily

To be precise, pls tell me the frame no., presence of wandering NPCs, frame advancement availability, and Method for each of the following Pokes in HG/SS:

Raikou Method 1 frame 1
Entei Method 1 frame 6
Suicune method K frame 1
Ho-Oh method K frame 1
Lugia method K frame 1
Red Gyarados generated like a chained shiny so unsure of method
Lati@s (non-Wi-Fi) method 1
Lati@s (Wi-Fi) unsure but most likely method K as you interact with it in the overworld
Articuno method K
Zapdos method K
Moltres method K
Mewtwo method K frame 1
Starter Pokemon method 1
Togepi Egg method 1

Please tell us...

those without frames listed someone else can probably help you with

[Princess Emily]

Is Raikou's frame always 1 and Entei always 6?
Or is the first one you'll see always have a frame of 1 and the second one always 6?

[Jubilee]

Originally Posted by Fat Emily

Is Raikou's frame always 1 and Entei always 6?
Or is the first one you'll see always have a frame of 1 and the second one always 6?

Raikou's frame is always 1 and Enteis' is always 6
They IV's/Nature are set once you release them from the tower not once you encounter them in the wild.

[Princess Emily]

Originally Posted by Fat Jubilee

Raikou's frame is always 1 and Enteis' is always 6
They IV's/Nature are set once you release them from the tower not once you encounter them in the wild.

How about Eusine and Morty?
Are they wandering NPCs?

Another question...
If you change time but not change date, does it affect growth of berries?
And how?
Does the same happed if you change date?

[Princess Emily]

I have questions...

How about Eusine and Morty?
Are they wandering NPCs?
Do they affect frame advancement for Raikou/Entei?

And...
If you change time but not change date, does it affect growth of berries?
And how?
Does the same happed if you change date?

[Ditto]

Originally Posted by Fat Emily

I have questions...

How about Eusine and Morty?
Are they wandering NPCs?
Do they affect frame advancement for Raikou/Entei?

And...
If you change time but not change date, does it affect growth of berries?
And how?
Does the same happed if you change date?

Don't double post...

They don't affect the Frame. No clue about the berries though.

[palkiaqua]

Originally Posted by Fat Jubilee

Raikou's frame is always 1 and Enteis' is always 6
They IV's/Nature are set once you release them from the tower not once you encounter them in the wild.

Ok, so at burned tower or as long as Raikou isn't caught, Entei is frame 6. But say if you capture Raikou and remove him from the overworld, but you don't catch Entei. Will Entei's frame now be 1 or will it always be 6 (if you faint Entei and respawn him that is)? In other words, are the frames for the dogs in HG/SS like the frames for the birds in platinum?

[Ditto]

Originally Posted by Fat palkiaqua

Ok, so at burned tower or as long as Raikou isn't caught, Entei is frame 6. But say if you capture Raikou and remove him from the overworld, but you don't catch Entei. Will Entei's frame now be 1 or will it always be 6 (if you faint Entei and respawn him that is)? In other words, are the frames for the dogs in HG/SS like the frames for the birds in platinum?

There IVs are set when they are freed, so it will always 1 and 6 in the Tower. However Entei's frame can be 1 if you catch Raikou and release Entei gain through the Elite 4.

[imapedarsag]

I'm hearing about how people are advancing their frames in HG/SS by use of the radio. I'm wondering how.

[Ditto]

Originally Posted by Fat imapedarsag

I'm hearing about how people are advancing their frames in HG/SS by use of the radio. I'm wondering how.

OmegaDonut has a guide a couple pages back I think. Basically turning to a station advances a certain number of frames. For example Pokemon Search Party always advances the frame by 1.

[DarkChaos (HCZ)]

http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpos...ostcount=16036

[YodaJM]

Re: Raikou and Entei

I missed my opportunity to RNG Raikou and Entei when releasing them, and I know one can RNG them by fainting them and then RNG before the Elite 4. But my question is, is it possible to faint them again after the Elite 4 and have them be released again?

I'd rather try and RNG them later once the RNG process for HGSS is a little more nailed down.

Though thanks to this thread and all the input from everyone I was able to RNG my quint-perfect Ho-oh!

[Supe]

I'm acually doing some research on the dogs post E4. The problem with RNGing them later though is that they are not reset at the burnt building. I think that the current belief is that their IV's and nature are set right when you beat Lance. It is not really known if the frame advances for the battle with Lance can be controlled.