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[Nexus]

Originally Posted by Fat teatime1008

So you can't Coin Flip in front of Mesprit or Cresselia? You said it was starting on frame 5 right? So Coin Flip is inaccurate, and you can't tell whether or not you hit your target time?

yes you can use the coin flip trick, coin flips run of the IRNG, while Cresselia's IVs/Narure are generated from a separate RNG so the fact that they start at 5 frames has no effect on coin flips.

[teatime1008]

Ok Nexus, thanks. So let's say that your target frame was 200, and we're assuming you hit your target time perfectly and have done the coin flip trick to confirm it. You would still journal flip to the 200-5 frame, and then you would press "A" in front of it, and then go out and catch it right?

[Nexus]

Originally Posted by Fat teatime1008

Ok Nexus, thanks. So let's say that your target frame was 200, and we're assuming you hit your target time perfectly and have done the coin flip trick to confirm it. You would still journal flip to the 200-5 frame, and then you would press "A" in front of it, and then go out and catch it right?

yup you got it.

[Dea]

I'm not finding the new download link of pokeRNGDP and every time I do a thread search, it returns a blank screen and if I try to refresh then I get the only 1 search each 15 seconds thing.

Help?

[COKTAL]

Originally Posted by Fat teatime1008

Ok Nexus, thanks. So let's say that your target frame was 200, and we're assuming you hit your target time perfectly and have done the coin flip trick to confirm it. You would still journal flip to the 200-5 frame, and then you would press "A" in front of it, and then go out and catch it right?

Well, that's right, but 200-5=195, which isn't evenly divisable by 2. So it's helpful to have an odd number of pokemon (1,3,5) in your party so you can walk 128 steps to advance the RNG by the number of pokemon in your party. You'll only need to do this if you need to switch the frame from odd to even or vice versa.

[Joel]

I have been consistantly hitting a 16 second delay, and upon calibration, consistantly getting Frame 8 for my hatchlings IV spread. I am now tryng for my final spread, which should be as follows...

Date: 07/03/2010
Target Time: 21:04:16
Delay: 594
Seed: 2915025C
Flips for seed: H,H,T,H,H,T,T,T,H,H
IVs are A/A/A/25/31/31

I keep messing up somewhere. I kept notes of my last few sets of coin flips. The ones in bold are the ones I needed to hit.

H,H,T,H,H,T,T,T,H,H

T,T,H,H,H,T,H,T,T,T

T,T,T,H,T,H,H,T,H,H

T,T,H,H,H,T,T,T,T,H

If I can always calibrate and hit frame 8, I'm guessing there must be something else I'm doing wrong. Any ideas as to what it might be?

[Bakus]

Your seconds are most likely accurate. If you've calibrated beforehand and is sure that your save frame is on 8 (and of course, got journal flipping right), then the only thing you're messing up on is hitting your delay of 594 - that's kinda fast too, so you'd really be mashing.

Something to note: if your save frame is 8 and the first journal flip page has caught/defeated pokemon, then your frame is 10. From what I find, first page does advance your frame - I think the guide had that it didn't. *shrugs*

For instance, the 3rd coin flip sequence you've gotten has a delay of 599. You're just missing your delay is all, XD. It's the reason RNG is so difficult (for me at least).

[CPrime]

Do you normally hit even delays or odd ones? That could be the problem, but I'm not sure.
Have you searched those coin flips in RNG Reporter?

[Joel]

Originally Posted by Fat Bakus

Your seconds are most likely accurate. If you've calibrated beforehand and is sure that your save frame is on 8 (and of course, got journal flipping right), then the only thing you're messing up on is hitting your delay of 594 - that's kinda fast too, so you'd really be mashing.

Something to note: if your save frame is 8 and the first journal flip page has caught/defeated pokemon, then your frame is 10. From what I find, first page does advance your frame - I think the guide had that it didn't. *shrugs*

I see the journal as I start my game, but it does not have a captured or defeated Poke listing on the first page, and I haven't been doing any journal flips.

Originally Posted by Fat CPrime

Do you normally hit even delays or odd ones? That could be the problem, but I'm not sure.
Have you searched those coin flips in RNG Reporter?

This is the first one I am trying from start to finish. I did try one other, but scrapped it for the one I'm doing now (completely different spieces and one different paretn Poke). The one I scrapped though would have had a frame of 4, so I'm guessing even.

And since the Time Finder isn't working on my computer (Reporter and Seed Finder work just fine though), I told someone else what my delay, and the frame of my hatchling was (8), and he gave me the info that I copied and pasted here. I don't know how to search those coin flips in the Reporter. If I did, I might be able to see if I really am just missing my frame.

[CPrime]

Unfortunately, you search flips and Elm responses in Time Finder...
You're most likely messing up on your delay in tiny bits, which would screw it up. If you could use Time Finder to find which delays you've been hitting, you could probably adjust to hit the correct one.

[Riski]

Even if Time Finder isn't working, you might also be able to use seed finder to find out what delay you are hitting. Catch a pokemon as soon as you have your egg and use the catch to check your delay. You're still trying to enter the game on a certain delay, so catching a wild poke right after you get your egg from the daycare man should tell you what delay you entered the game on, and therefore you can adjust Pikatimer or whatever method you are using to time your reset and game re-entry.

[Bakus]

Skippy: Take your seed and on RNG Reporter main window - click Seed to Time and input it there. Click the top generate button. Find your spread.

Put in your seconds value and change the seconds value (min/max) to 0 (since it's most likely you're hitting 16seconds). You can change your frame for as much as you want...but normally I do 25. Click the second generate button ^^

[Zari]

I'm trying to RNG abuse a pokeradar togepi. How many frames does the game advance for encountering the wrong pokemon + fleeing? is it still 6? thanks in advance :)

EDIT: NVM, it doesn't matter since you check the actual frame, my bad :/

[» Sasuke Uchiha]

I can't find a flawless/shiny (jolly) spread, in the DPPt capture.. but there is one?

[Joel]

Originally Posted by Fat Bakus

Skippy: Take your seed and on RNG Reporter main window - click Seed to Time and input it there. Click the top generate button. Find your spread.

Put in your seconds value and change the seconds value (min/max) to 0 (since it's most likely you're hitting 16seconds). You can change your frame for as much as you want...but normally I do 25. Click the second generate button ^^

Since Bakus isn't online at the moment, can someone else let me know what the bolded part of the quote means, please?

[Christian]

Is it possible to RNG the shuckle from Kirk in Cianwood City? If yes, what method is it? And what starting frame?

[COKTAL]

I think that Bakus meant to say delay, for the part at the bottom of the seed to time finder.

@Christian: I would assume so, since it is a gift pokemon (iirc, since I haven't gotten that shuckle since G/S/C years ago). It should be Method 1, but idk the frame. You could test it really quickly if you wanted.

[Joel]

Originally Posted by Fat COKTAL

I think that Bakus meant to say delay, for the part at the bottom of the seed to time finder.

And if I hit the correct frame, I will still hit my target IV Spread of 31/31/31/*/31/31, right?

[Christian]

Originally Posted by Fat COKTAL

I think that Bakus meant to say delay, for the part at the bottom of the seed to time finder.

@Christian: I would assume so, since it is a gift pokemon (iirc, since I haven't gotten that shuckle since G/S/C years ago). It should be Method 1, but idk the frame. You could test it really quickly if you wanted.

I will try to test this myself :o It only comes with a relaxed nature so I guess it'll be something like 31/31/31/x/31/0 for TR

[COKTAL]

Originally Posted by Fat Skippy the Great

And if I hit the correct frame, I will still hit my target IV Spread of 31/31/31/*/31/31, right?

Yeah, if your target frame will give you those IVs. If you're doing this in DPPt, you'll want to make sure the journal pops up when you enter the game, and get the egg before verifying if you hit your delay. If not, it won't work. Good luck with your abuse :D

[Sixfortyfive]

Originally Posted by Fat Christian

Is it possible to RNG the shuckle from Kirk in Cianwood City? If yes, what method is it? And what starting frame?

I bet it's either Method 1 or the Wondercard method. This Shuckle is always Relaxed, and fixed-nature Pokemon are sometimes generated with the Wondercard method.

[Christian]

Originally Posted by Fat Sixfortyfive

I bet it's either Method 1 or the Wondercard method. This Shuckle is always Relaxed, and fixed-nature Pokemon are sometimes generated with the Wondercard method.

Too bad the IVs are fixed as well :P
I just tried this myself, and with different delays I always got 15/20/15/20/20/20 lol

[Dea]

Originally Posted by Fat Skippy the Great

And if I hit the correct frame, I will still hit my target IV Spread of 31/31/31/*/31/31, right?

To achieve a particular IV spread, you need to be on the right seed and on the right frame. To be on the right seed, you need the right date, time and delay. Use the Time Finder - Egg IVs to search for your IV spread; date and time don't really matter here, just the delay range. Once you find a spread you like, right click it and copy seed to clipboard. On RNGreporter's main window, paste the seed on the appropriate place, chose Breeding (DPPt) as the method and Generate it. Now, click Seed to Time. The seed hex should be the one you just generated. Check the seconds box, and input your favorite seconds, select DPPt and click on the Generate on the top right corner of this second window. There you will have a list of all the dates and times the seed happens for the seconds you stipulated. Chose your favorite one by clicking on it so it's selected as for a delay range and a seconds range and click on the Generate beside the Search Flips. This will create a list of results that includes your seed AND the seeds you can land on by getting the delay/seconds wrong by a small amount. Input the date and time you chose in the upper half of this secondary window on your DS and on PikaTimer and do the load/SR thing to try and reach your desired seed. When you enter the game, advance your frames (if necessary) and get the egg. On the secondary window, click Search Flips and a third window will open. Do the 10 coin flips, register the results there and then click OK. RNG reporter will search the adjacent results you generated earlier and will select/highlight the result that matches the coin flips you got. If the seconds and delay were the ones you were aiming for then congrats, now all you have to do is see if you got the frame right too. If the seconds or the delay were not the ones you wanted, the adjust PikaTimer accordingly and try again.

[Zari]

If I'm trying to pokeradar abuse, when I capture the first mon to start the chain and check the frame I'm on, do I use the method 1 or the method J frame column in RNG reporter?

Edit: thanks nexus; that was fast! :)

[Nexus]

Originally Posted by Fat Zari

If I'm trying to pokeradar abuse, when I capture the first mon to start the chain and check the frame I'm on, do I use the method 1 or the method J frame column in RNG reporter?

actual frame, also known as method 1 frame.