Platinum/HG/SS Battle Frontier and DP Battle Tower Records - Page 55

pikachu25 · Oct 29th, 2009, 6:14:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Fall

Here ya go!

Thank you very much!

I'm getting ready to RNG a Registeel, and I already have a Latias and Garchomp, so I can easily use this to get into practice, then I am making my own team. What strategies are the most successful in the tower?

M BLADE · Oct 29th, 2009, 7:16:47 PM

Has anyone tried Lapras?
Shell Armor prevents those CH that infests Battle Frontier... and she's damn bulky from the special side. Curse Lapras would make a nice poke for Battle Frontier, right?
Aside from OHKO moves and Double Team, of course.

I still can't play Battle Frontier... oh snap.

Bozo · Oct 29th, 2009, 8:49:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Llewellyn

Also, Bozo, I am impressed. I don't think too many others are going to challenge even 200. You seem to have cracked the Castle. And I've done similar calculations for Salamence, it's almost as broken as Tyranitar is. Basically, as I'm sure you know, Salamence will get at least one kill a match, and intimidate is so useful. It's why I briefly thought of Salamence/Gyarados/Metagross. But that team gets fucked by electric, and most electrics have an annoying habbit of being faster lol. Now that I think of it, Salamence/gyarados/TTar seems nice. Team Dragon Dance.

i guess it kind of is cracked. but if you have a reliable team, you can grab CP when they are available, and then use them when required (lower levels of OHKO'ers etc). i mean i can even lower the level of choice scarf rampardos so that salamence outspeeds it. in fact, since you know the opponents 3 pokes, you can decide to sacrifice things you might not normally do. eg let rampardos kill blissey (he always dies from recoil since his hp is less than half blissey's max) if you know your other team members can take the remaining guy....

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Originally Posted by Fat Llewellyn

But that's another story, after my 2 millionth try at the hax factory. My friend used to call the emerald factory "the fiend factory". I'm sure most of you have realised that as your streak increases, the ratio of pokemon higher up the list increases. That's why i want to speak to mystic so much, I want to know whether that ratio continues after battle 49. i.e. @#56, does the choice generally conprise of pokemon seemingly lower down the list, in comparison to #240 or whatever. I wouldn't be surprised if it did, Game freak have a thing for putting legendaries first (I don't see it as coincedence that Palmer uses the #950 Regigigas in D/P, with the #949 and #948 Cress + Heatran). I seriously suspect that, and I believe that if I'm right, the factory will actually get (relatively)_easier_ for the very high streaks, when there is less "random percentages". Maybe that's part of what Xel was going on about %C. Maybe it's completely random after #49, like the tower is. Needless to say, if i ever get past #49, I intend to futher this theory. The key word there being "if".

i feel for anyone seriously trying to do the factory.....

in emerald i had read that the more you swap the more high powered pokemon you can use. however, i found out that while this was true, it also meant the opponent also had access to these pokemon. so, when i finally made it through to 42, i swapped as sparingly as possible, and did level 50, so i never had to face anything seriously tough. it worked there, and if i ever try the platinum BF again, i'll probably adopt a similar strategy.

something that makes platinum a bit easier though is that they tell you two of the opponents next pokes. in emerald they just said "tendency to use grass type" etc. in fact i remember one occasion they said the "no real preferences" line, and the opponent actually had 3 ground/water types lol...... (if there was a tie for most pokes of a particular type, it said no preference.)

good luck llewellyn - if you're persistent i think you will get it!

@mblade - its not a bad idea, but setting up on its own might be a bit risky. after curses, its speed is extremely low, and a high powered special attacker could make minced meat of it. there is ice shard, but thats not always going to help. your other pokes would have to be able to switch in on quite a few attacks - things like modest lucario are really going to hurt it.

that said, i remember a really annoying lapras i used to face in the upper levels of the d/p wifi battle tower. i think it had curse, ice shard, sheer cold, ???. it was EV'd so that my gengar could not 2HKO it. so it did rather well against my team. so that guy must have had some success with it to get that far.

Bozo · Oct 30th, 2009, 12:53:45 AM

also i had meant to mention i came up against a pokemon that is not on the list. this was somewhere between 300-400 in the battle castle. it was an adamant clefable (with a trainer who had weaker pokes), although i didnt write down its details - should have got stats/item/moves for ya, so sorry about that. but yeah, it had meteor mash, zen headbutt, and i think return, but i dont remember 4th move or its item.

also, the list seems to have razor claw and razor fang switched around in pretty much every case.

***Jumpman16***** · Oct 30th, 2009, 9:28:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Bozo

also, the list seems to have razor claw and razor fang switched around in pretty much every case.

okay what? here is my edit note from that post:

Last edited by Jumpman16; Jun 6th, 2009 at 12:11:55 PM. Reason: swapped razor claw for razor fang

peterko told me that the items were swapped then and i changed them. the way they are currently makes the most sense, with the fastest pokemon having the flinch item and high-ch move pokemon having the ch item

if you printed out a version before june 6 use this one:

http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpos...2&postcount=22

anyway good job on the battle castle, breaking 400 with a straight up team anywhere is seriously impressive (and would probably be more impressive in the castle than the arcade, depending how "impressive" one perceives great reaction time). it's a shame the castle isn't as romantic as the tower because there's much more management and skill in the castle

and yes, good luck to everyone playing the factory. i will again underline why i made such an epic post about my gold symbol because i *knew* what was in store for me if i were to lose at battle 49. in emerald (where the gold symbol is at 42), i lost from battle 29-42 at least 15 times or something dumb like that (including two losses at 42, lol). i don't think i lost once from 36-49 in plat, so yeah

kingbattlus · Oct 30th, 2009, 2:47:27 PM

i think i'm going to branch away from trick teams on this next attempt and try something new for me... while it isn't completely unheard of, it is something that not many people have tried using so i'm going to give it a go. hopefully i can make it past 67 lol still doing quite a bit of theory-testing, which is ultimiately useless if the user sucks, but being optimistic!!!

it sucks that DP has such a higher low cut-off than plat... works cut out for me i guess

EDIT: no posts in nearly a day, wow. well last night I lost in the first match after palmer 2 with my new team, but i will fault it to a lack of experience with the team and the computer being insanely haxy. I should have won, I really should have, but paralysis and the computer pitting two electrics in there really boded poorly for my team. back with a vengenance today hopefully though!

Bozo · Nov 1st, 2009, 10:45:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Jumpman16

okay what? here is my edit note from that post:

Last edited by Jumpman16; Jun 6th, 2009 at 12:11:55 PM. Reason: swapped razor claw for razor fang

peterko told me that the items were swapped then and i changed them. the way they are currently makes the most sense, with the fastest pokemon having the flinch item and high-ch move pokemon having the ch item

if you printed out a version before june 6 use this one:

http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpos...2&postcount=22

i'm pretty sure i had the right list. i checked my list with the one the first page links to. also, neutral natures seem to be "wrong" (not that it matters) - eg i'll see a poke in the castle has hardy nature, and then look it up in the list and it'll say quirky. (those natures from memory, might be wrong, but you know what i mean)

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Originally Posted by Fat Jumpman16

anyway good job on the battle castle, breaking 400 with a straight up team anywhere is seriously impressive (and would probably be more impressive in the castle than the arcade, depending how "impressive" one perceives great reaction time). it's a shame the castle isn't as romantic as the tower because there's much more management and skill in the castle

thanks :) but yeah, i think you just have to know how to manage your CP. ive gone beyond 500 now (including breaking the record of 444 from that other website). still going strong with 900-1000 CP.

i did get a gold symbol on the arcade, but didnt bother posting the streak - i think it was something smallish like 51 with salamence+blissey+??. and yeah, i pretty much just tried to click on something that would make the battle easy. i think you see the opponents pokes, right? so if they have physical attackers try and burn them, etc. might give it another try. i think when i lost i clicked on a symbol i hadnt seen before, and it made the thing go randomly, so i couldnt manipulate the gameboard for the next game.

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Originally Posted by Fat Jumpman16

and yes, good luck to everyone playing the factory. i will again underline why i made such an epic post about my gold symbol because i *knew* what was in store for me if i were to lose at battle 49. in emerald (where the gold symbol is at 42), i lost from battle 29-42 at least 15 times or something dumb like that (including two losses at 42, lol). i don't think i lost once from 36-49 in plat, so yeah

likewise. i spent close to 200 hours on emerald factory. i tried heaps of times with open level, and with lots of switches. but in the end the strategy i found worked best was level 50 with very few switches. it kept your pokes AND THE OPPONENTS much easier. lol i remember if you got the cloyster with toxic and double team, you were virtually guaranteed 7 wins mmmmmmmm.......

Phiddlesticks · Nov 2nd, 2009, 1:54:51 AM

Destiny100 · Nov 2nd, 2009, 4:30:24 AM

I've been experimenting with in the Arcade with Starmie + Garchomp + Metagross
I was doing really well... Picking only the options I knew, then the board went to "random." I ended up switching teams with my opponent >_>, I lost. Lol. So annoying =[

Diana · Nov 2nd, 2009, 9:16:23 AM

I've been trying the factory in between Tower runs and it's every bit as evil as ever. I did get this for a while at battle 8:

578 | Tentacruel | Calm | Black Sludge | Toxic | Giga Drain | Attract | Confuse Ray | HP/SpD

This is awesome because the AI won't switch, so you can Confuse Ray+Toxic+sometimes Attract on most things. Always fun to stall out Double Team Blissey.

Had fun with one other defensive Pokemon as well around the same time:

598 | Dusknoir | Careful | Leftovers | Curse | Pain Split | Confuse Ray | Attract | Def/SpD

Curse/Pain Split a Venusaur and Lapras to death, which was interesting. Hopefully this luck lasts for a while longer, I still worry about Thornton.

Edit (11:20 AM): Okay now that I clicked the right button I can post this in the right spot. >>; Anyway, I just went up against Thorton who got the Overheat/Air Slash/Ancientpower/Ominous Wind Moltres, and I switched out to Altaria, easily surviving the Overheat. next turn I dragon dance, but it Ancientpowers first, though I survive. Of course, it predictably gets the boost, making sure I couldn't even hit it before it attacked again. My Nidoking and Metagross didn't even have a shot against it either. So I lost that, I'll give it another shot now.

Edit 2 (12PM): I have to post this because early on I found a surprisingly good Pokemon after thinking I had a terrible group. Here it is:

431 | Bronzong | Impish | King's Rock | Extrasensory | Iron Head | Rock Slide | Trick Room | Def/SpD

Looks like it's trying to be offensive with a defensive spread but this thing has been wrecking opponents early. It's worth a shot unless you have a really deep pool of good Pokemon or have a really good team already. I'll update if I can later about any good Pokemon if I get past 14 again this time, let's hope 21 doesn't hold an overpowered Thornton again, I'd love to have a shot there.

Diana · Nov 2nd, 2009, 12:26:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Llewellyn

I'm not exacterly the premier veteran on the factory. But battles 1-14 you may as well use full on offense. Toxic stall works, but I don't see the point of having 13 turn battles at #1 or #8. After 15, the streak gets a bit more serious, escpecially against Thorton, who is the biggest cheat ever (uses higher numbered pokemon, which aren't availble at #15-21. Also let it be known that Dragons and Steels are amazing, because the factory's ingame "metagame" is much more varied than OU, and with less pescific conters to other threats. (an example of this is the SD garchomp and DM latios, who beat like 98% of everything. In level 50, it is better to go with synergy, but at level 100, stats and movesets are more important.

There's usually a problem between 8-14 with that though. The vast majority of sets seem to be defensive at that range, and I had these stallers mainly because I had 1 offensive Pokemon out of 6 to choose from. If you can get offensive Pokemon, that's great, but sadly that second round is insanely defensive. Otherwise I'd totally agree with you.

kingbattlus · Nov 2nd, 2009, 2:45:40 PM

i've swapped to starmie as my lead from counter-bond gengar for my first 49 battles and i'm convinced it's a smart decision... starmie slaughters everything. not that gengar doesn't accomplish a similar role, but starmie is really awesome for speed running. i'm currently using a timid life orb one because i don't have a modest expert belt to use, but i think this is going to work out just fine unless someone can provide good reason not use it. i also have garchomp on there (2/3 of jump's starmie/chomp/ttar team that everyone used for a while), and now I don't have anything that hits shedinja. i love metagross though. something with a strong priority in bullet punch and that can explode on a last poke when i'm still sitting with an untouched garchomp is just too awesome to pass on.

still pressing on with the team i came up with, though two losses in the first set of seven is depressing. it comes down to learning how to play with the team though, and i made it to the 7th battle before i lost on the 2nd run--which i lost for the same reason!--so i at least made progress. and i managed to down the electric types that came at me again in the first couple battles, which was an improvement. stalling is gay though, PP counting and switching and ten minute battles... if it wins it wins though.

good luck to everyone struggling through the factory i wish i could join you

Bozo · Nov 2nd, 2009, 7:07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Destiny100

I've been experimenting with in the Arcade with Starmie + Garchomp + Metagross
I was doing really well... Picking only the options I knew, then the board went to "random." I ended up switching teams with my opponent >_>, I lost. Lol. So annoying =[

ahahahahah THAT IS HOW I LOST TOO!!!!!!! it was so long ago all i remember is that i'd randomed up the thing, but then i ended up switching and watching "their" salamence murder "my" entire team with outrage. how depressing.....

@kingbattlus - yes, timid LO starmie owns in 1-49. i use salamence as my 2nd sweeper (AA for shedinja). metagross is an interesting option too - ive never used it in the frontier, but youre right- being able to just explode on the last poke is handy. and a priority move would be so useful in some situations.

EDIT: i mentioned this a while back, and i dont know if it would be useful to anyone, but:

Code:

---------------- Salamence - 167 atk - choice band ----------------

Neutral Outrage.        Neutral Earthquake.     Neutral Rockslide.

| Def | Min | Max |     | Def | Min | Max |     | Def | Min | Max |
+-----+-----+-----+     +-----+-----+-----+     +-----+-----+-----+
|  60 | 315 | 372 |     |  60 | 175 | 207 |     |  60 | 132 | 156 |
|  65 | 291 | 343 |     |  65 | 162 | 191 |     |  65 | 122 | 144 |
|  70 | 271 | 319 |     |  70 | 151 | 178 |     |  70 | 113 | 134 |
|  75 | 253 | 298 |     |  75 | 141 | 166 |     |  75 | 106 | 125 |
|  80 | 237 | 279 |     |  80 | 132 | 156 |     |  80 |  99 | 117 |
|  85 | 222 | 262 |     |  85 | 124 | 146 |     |  85 |  93 | 110 |
|  90 | 211 | 249 |     |  90 | 117 | 138 |     |  90 |  88 | 104 |
|  95 | 199 | 235 |     |  95 | 111 | 131 |     |  95 |  84 |  99 |
| 100 | 189 | 223 |     | 100 | 106 | 125 |     | 100 |  79 |  94 |
| 105 | 180 | 213 |     | 105 | 101 | 119 |     | 105 |  76 |  90 |
| 110 | 172 | 204 |     | 110 |  96 | 114 |     | 110 |  73 |  96 |
| 115 | 165 | 195 |     | 115 |  92 | 109 |     | 115 |  69 |  82 |
| 120 | 159 | 187 |     | 120 |  88 | 104 |     | 120 |  67 |  79 |
| 125 | 153 | 180 |     | 125 |  85 | 100 |     | 125 |  63 |  75 |
| 130 | 145 | 172 |     | 130 |  81 |  96 |     | 130 |  62 |  73 |
| 135 | 141 | 166 |     | 135 |  79 |  93 |     | 135 |  59 |  70 |
| 140 | 135 | 160 |     | 140 |  76 |  90 |     | 140 |  57 |  68 |
| 145 | 130 | 154 |     | 145 |  73 |  86 |     | 145 |  55 |  65 |
| 150 | 127 | 150 |     | 150 |  71 |  84 |     | 150 |  53 |  63 |
| 155 | 123 | 145 |     | 155 |  68 |  81 |     | 155 |  51 |  61 |
| 160 | 118 | 141 |     | 160 |  67 |  79 |     | 160 |  50 |  59 |
| 165 | 115 | 136 |     | 165 |  64 |  76 |     | 165 |  49 |  58 |
| 170 | 111 | 132 |     | 170 |  62 |  74 |     | 170 |  47 |  56 |
| 175 | 109 | 129 |     | 175 |  61 |  72 |     | 175 |  45 |  54 |
| 180 | 106 | 126 |     | 180 |  59 |  70 |     | 180 |  45 |  53 |
| 185 | 102 | 121 |     | 185 |  57 |  68 |     | 185 |  43 |  51 |
| 190 | 100 | 118 |     | 190 |  56 |  66 |     | 190 |  42 |  50 |
| 195 |  97 | 115 |     | 195 |  55 |  65 |     | 195 |  41 |  49 |
| 200 |  94 | 112 |     | 200 |  53 |  63 |     | 200 |  40 |  48 |
+-----+-----+-----+     +-----+-----+-----+     +-----+-----+-----+



----------- Milotic - 120 SpAtk -----------     Blissey - 95 Sp Atk

Neutral Surf.           Neutral Ice Beam.       Neutral Flamethrower.

| Def | Min | Max |     | Def | Min | Max |     | Def | Min | Max |
+-----+-----+-----+     +-----+-----+-----+     +-----+-----+-----+
|  60 | 108 | 127 |     |  60 |  72 |  85 |     |  60 |  57 |  68 |
|  65 | 100 | 118 |     |  65 |  67 |  79 |     |  65 |  53 |  63 |
|  70 |  93 | 109 |     |  70 |  62 |  73 |     |  70 |  49 |  58 |
|  75 |  85 | 102 |     |  75 |  57 |  68 |     |  75 |  45 |  54 |
|  80 |  81 |  96 |     |  80 |  54 |  64 |     |  80 |  43 |  51 |
|  85 |  76 |  91 |     |  85 |  51 |  61 |     |  85 |  40 |  48 |
|  90 |  72 |  85 |     |  90 |  48 |  57 |     |  90 |  39 |  46 |
|  95 |  67 |  81 |     |  95 |  45 |  54 |     |  95 |  36 |  43 |
| 100 |  66 |  78 |     | 100 |  44 |  52 |     | 100 |  34 |  41 |
| 105 |  61 |  73 |     | 105 |  41 |  49 |     | 105 |  33 |  39 |
| 110 |  58 |  70 |     | 110 |  39 |  47 |     | 110 |  32 |  38 |
| 115 |  57 |  67 |     | 115 |  38 |  45 |     | 115 |  30 |  36 |
| 120 |  54 |  64 |     | 120 |  36 |  43 |     | 120 |  29 |  35 |
| 125 |  52 |  63 |     | 125 |  35 |  42 |     | 125 |  28 |  33 |
| 130 |  51 |  60 |     | 130 |  34 |  40 |     | 130 |  27 |  32 |
| 135 |  49 |  58 |     | 135 |  33 |  39 |     | 135 |  26 |  31 |
| 140 |  46 |  55 |     | 140 |  31 |  37 |     | 140 |  25 |  30 |
| 145 |  45 |  54 |     | 145 |  30 |  36 |     | 145 |  24 |  29 |
| 150 |  43 |  52 |     | 150 |  29 |  35 |     | 150 |  23 |  28 |
| 155 |  42 |  51 |     | 155 |  28 |  34 |     | 155 |  22 |  27 |
| 160 |  42 |  49 |     | 160 |  28 |  33 |     | 160 |  22 |  26 |
+-----+-----+-----+     +-----+-----+-----+     +-----+-----+-----+

not worked out in a particularly clever way, but anyway.... should have used matlab lol...... at least the salamence calculations might be somewhat useful to some people.

i never bothered doing aerial ace, because i just halve the damage from outrage and its only gonna be off by a point or two. also, when chosing to level up/down the foes (in the castle) i pretty much just do rough guestimates in my head, so it's possible that will come back to bite me one day. oh well..

ungulateman · Nov 3rd, 2009, 2:04:32 AM

By the way legendaries do turn up in the Battle Fagtory before the fourth set - Thorton had an Articuno when I faced him. Along with a fucking haxer Nidoking of course.

Namexx · Nov 3rd, 2009, 10:30:54 AM

"Not put on the list due to mistrust from other members:
- ninja1357 (823) - Latios, Skarmory, Jolteon & how he/she supposedly lost "

Look at his/her nails! its almost scary (last picture in the 'how he/she...' link), it must be a she, just wow -_-

kingbattlus · Nov 3rd, 2009, 3:07:29 PM

made it through the first set of 7 after palmer and was feeling pretty good... and then i lost in battle 57 to a stupid espeon.

it CMed up, got an untimely crit which cost me the match. i could've played it a little differently but i definitely would've been putting a lot of faith in the hax working my way instead of the game's to pull out a win. and espeon was the first poke, so there were still two mystery pokes that could've been troublesome still...

sigh... i am getting better with the team though, it's getting easier to see what i should be doing and stuff. i almost goofed up in the battle 50 against a drifblim that i tried to use Counter against lol but i'm getting better now!

Lord Yawgmoth · Nov 3rd, 2009, 4:03:41 PM

I got to 147 wins in the Battle Hall with SpecsMence, but lost to a Bastiodon.
I missed Hydro Pump, and it OHKO'd me with Blizzard. >.<
I've also gotten to 63 wins in the Battle Tower with Gyarados, LO Electivire, and Scarf Heatran.
I don't really remember what happened at the battle that I lost, but I remember a Machamp Quick Claw activiation and a Cross Chop miss against a Porygon-2 cost me the match.

**Glen** · Nov 3rd, 2009, 5:06:39 PM

great post phid!!!

in other news at 36 or so my team of good mons lost to the dd altaria

edit: also im more appreciative of mence now. set 1 isnt too bad, i just find without se moves his dclaw often falls short of an ohko and he'll get killed by something random. the outrage set is absolutely amazing, i have no idea why i didn't mention it earlier. anything with outrage is amazing. the outrage dragonite will kill absolutely everything too. outrage garchomp? dont even worry.

Phiddlesticks · Nov 3rd, 2009, 6:01:36 PM

I came across Garchomp4 last night somewhere in the 29-35 set but accidentally hit B when he asked me to trade. Kinda sucks because I had Froslass3/Swampert1/Cresselia3 at the time and I would have loved to trade Froslass for it. I also happened to lose the next battle against a team of Heracross/Tauros/Gengar, ended up being Gengar vs Cress with both at full HP and the Gengar was the Payapa set :( If I had Garchomp instead of Froslass I think I would have had a much better chance of winning, but I have nobody to blame but myself for that.

Also not EVERYTHING with Outrage is good, but at least everything with STAB Outrage is good. Only saying this because of things like the STABless Snorlax set with like Outrage/Gunk Shot oof

**Glen** · Nov 3rd, 2009, 8:34:32 PM

oh ya sry i meant stab outrage

outrage venusaur is -_____-

DrDimentio · Nov 4th, 2009, 1:29:57 AM

Update on my Tower progress:

I've passed my previous 196 record, with a different Steel type than Scizor... indeed, it's Registeel. He has not died once in the entire streak. He's that good. Anyway, I'll post again whenever I lose... I doubt I'll get anywhere near Peterko... but oh well.

***Jumpman16***** · Nov 4th, 2009, 9:35:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Glen

oh ya sry i meant stab outrage

outrage venusaur is -_____-

STOP

stop.

outrage venusaur won me battles 43-49 in the factory we are bffs~, it beat a big bad latios 1-on-1 because of its strongs

lol in all seriousness i can't really hate on many pokes because if they can comprise a great team for you then they rule by default. my "second-favorite poke" in the plat factory is that sb/ep/sb/ib@eb nidoking that beat a lot of pokemon in 36-42. now obviously spitstar is the real default #1 pokemon mainly because it got me out of emerald factory hell, its set hasnt changed ever, and i use it on a real BT team but yeah. in a way, the acupressure drapion is a new #1 pokemon (starmie understands what i mean by this and isn't offended so yeah) because its uniqueness gave me a separate idea for the battle tower that i otherwise may not have gotten

still can't believe only eight people have the gold symbol in the factory. for comparison, 200 has been broken eight times in the platinum tower. how many people here would rather try to get to 49 in the factory (Lv. 50 or open) than try to get to 300 in the platinum tower, a feat that, for another comparison, had only been accomplished four times this time last year? (hint: the fact that you're allowed to use the strategies that garo and i have posted that have resulted in all but one of the 200+ platinum streaks is a factor here [and i'm allowed to make this comment for obvious reasons!])

Peterko · Nov 4th, 2009, 12:48:40 PM

bozo exploding with 500+...

other people struggling in their streaks...

man, I´ll never get a nice streak...

maybe I should give up...

oh wait, I´m not that type of guy...

I´ll give it all I´ve got!

Shelcario · Nov 4th, 2009, 1:11:04 PM

Wow Peterko, maybe you'll be lucky enough to break 2000 wins, good luck on that:D

supermarth64 · Nov 4th, 2009, 5:46:11 PM

Saw Peterko's sig coming.

Keep on going! *Insert over 9000 joke here*

Oct 29th, 2009, 7:16:47 PM	#1352
M BLADE Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 1,226 On a fairy tale. Not cool	Has anyone tried Lapras? Shell Armor prevents those CH that infests Battle Frontier... and she's damn bulky from the special side. Curse Lapras would make a nice poke for Battle Frontier, right? Aside from OHKO moves and Double Team, of course. I still can't play Battle Frontier... oh snap. __________________ M-BLADE: Saying nonsense since 1988. Owner of the best signatures ever. Ditto.

Oct 30th, 2009, 12:53:45 AM	#1354
Bozo Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 2,837 Australia	also i had meant to mention i came up against a pokemon that is not on the list. this was somewhere between 300-400 in the battle castle. it was an adamant clefable (with a trainer who had weaker pokes), although i didnt write down its details - should have got stats/item/moves for ya, so sorry about that. but yeah, it had meteor mash, zen headbutt, and i think return, but i dont remember 4th move or its item. also, the list seems to have razor claw and razor fang switched around in pretty much every case. __________________ BozoTube For the first time in my life, I realised that there was something more important to me than God, and that was Truth. And for the first time in my life, I knew that if I had to choose between God and Truth, I would choose Truth. BozoTube

Oct 30th, 2009, 2:47:27 PM	#1356
kingbattlus Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,472 Michigan	i think i'm going to branch away from trick teams on this next attempt and try something new for me... while it isn't completely unheard of, it is something that not many people have tried using so i'm going to give it a go. hopefully i can make it past 67 lol still doing quite a bit of theory-testing, which is ultimiately useless if the user sucks, but being optimistic!!! it sucks that DP has such a higher low cut-off than plat... works cut out for me i guess EDIT: no posts in nearly a day, wow. well last night I lost in the first match after palmer 2 with my new team, but i will fault it to a lack of experience with the team and the computer being insanely haxy. I should have won, I really should have, but paralysis and the computer pitting two electrics in there really boded poorly for my team. back with a vengenance today hopefully though! Last edited by kingbattlus; Oct 31st, 2009 at 12:30:25 PM.

Nov 2nd, 2009, 4:30:24 AM	#1359
Destiny100 Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 785 United Kingdom	I've been experimenting with in the Arcade with Starmie + Garchomp + Metagross I was doing really well... Picking only the options I knew, then the board went to "random." I ended up switching teams with my opponent >_>, I lost. Lol. So annoying =[ __________________ Platinum FC: 0174-0531-2365 Heartgold FC: 3352-6728-7278 Trade Thread \| Request a Shiny \| Youtube \| Wants

Nov 2nd, 2009, 9:16:23 AM	#1360
Diana Fennekin the cutest Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 1,258	I've been trying the factory in between Tower runs and it's every bit as evil as ever. I did get this for a while at battle 8: 578 \| Tentacruel \| Calm \| Black Sludge \| Toxic \| Giga Drain \| Attract \| Confuse Ray \| HP/SpD This is awesome because the AI won't switch, so you can Confuse Ray+Toxic+sometimes Attract on most things. Always fun to stall out Double Team Blissey. Had fun with one other defensive Pokemon as well around the same time: 598 \| Dusknoir \| Careful \| Leftovers \| Curse \| Pain Split \| Confuse Ray \| Attract \| Def/SpD Curse/Pain Split a Venusaur and Lapras to death, which was interesting. Hopefully this luck lasts for a while longer, I still worry about Thornton. Edit (11:20 AM): Okay now that I clicked the right button I can post this in the right spot. >>; Anyway, I just went up against Thorton who got the Overheat/Air Slash/Ancientpower/Ominous Wind Moltres, and I switched out to Altaria, easily surviving the Overheat. next turn I dragon dance, but it Ancientpowers first, though I survive. Of course, it predictably gets the boost, making sure I couldn't even hit it before it attacked again. My Nidoking and Metagross didn't even have a shot against it either. So I lost that, I'll give it another shot now. Edit 2 (12PM): I have to post this because early on I found a surprisingly good Pokemon after thinking I had a terrible group. Here it is: 431 \| Bronzong \| Impish \| King's Rock \| Extrasensory \| Iron Head \| Rock Slide \| Trick Room \| Def/SpD Looks like it's trying to be offensive with a defensive spread but this thing has been wrecking opponents early. It's worth a shot unless you have a really deep pool of good Pokemon or have a really good team already. I'll update if I can later about any good Pokemon if I get past 14 again this time, let's hope 21 doesn't hold an overpowered Thornton again, I'd love to have a shot there. __________________ C&C work: 34 done, 2 partly done, finished 4th gen moveset errors Last edited by Diana; Nov 2nd, 2009 at 12:05:18 PM.

Nov 2nd, 2009, 1:54:51 AM	#1358
Phiddlesticks Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 453 Hamilton, Ontario	Am bored, so ganna list Factory Pokemon in the first 2 sets that I like and give reasons why (because let's face it, those are the 2 sets you will probably be playing most). I probably forgot a few and didn't list any Pokemon that I don't have experience with, so people who do a lot of Factorying feel free to chime~ in with Pokemon I didn't list :) Also this list is only for Open Level because I personally find it more fun than Level 50. Pokemon from battles 1-14 that I almost always take 451 \| Flygon \| Adamant \| Yache Berry \| Earthquake \| Dragon Claw \| Roost \| Sandstorm \| Atk/Spe Amazing double stab, Roost, Yache, good typing/ability 485 \| Garchomp \| Jolly \| Brightpowder \| Dragon Claw \| Earthquake \| Double Team \| Sandstorm \| Atk/Spe Same reasons as Flygon minus Roost/Yache plus Brightpowder/broken ability 583 \| Gardevoir \| Modest \| Chesto Berry \| Psychic \| Thunderbolt \| Calm Mind \| Rest \| SpA/SpD CM+Chesto Rest and good coverage, plus it can set up against most special pkmns 382 \| Gastrodon \| Careful \| Focus Sash \| Waterfall \| Earthquake \| Recover \| Mirror Coat \| HP/SpD Focus Sash+Mirror Coat :D Water/Ground types are just amazing in general in the factory. Recover is cool because you can switch into attacks, Recover off the damage and still have your sash for later. Overall a very cool Pokemon. 441 \| Gliscor \| Adamant \| Yache Berry \| Earthquake \| Aerial Ace \| Swords Dance \| Baton Pass \| Atk/Def SD, double stab, plus it can Baton Pass out to another physical pkmn for some fun 608 \| Gyarados \| Jolly \| Lum Berry \| Waterfall \| Ice Fang \| Iron Head \| Dragon Dance \| Atk/Spe There really isn't much to say here huh. Getting this at like battle 8 just gives you an amazing feeling inside :3 460 \| Hippowdon \| Impish \| Persim Berry \| Earthquake \| Crunch \| Slack Off \| Curse \| Atk/Def Despite not having any HP/SDef EVs, I find this can take a lot of special abuse. Like Gardevoir, any physical Pokemon is free setup 361 \| Infernape \| Jolly \| Coba Berry \| Close Combat \| Fire Punch \| U-turn \| Fake Out \| Atk/Spe Best lead Pokemon oof 453 \| Jolteon \| Timid \| Focus Sash \| Thunderbolt \| Thunder Wave \| Agility \| Baton Pass \| SpA/Spe Another good lead cos Focus Sash + Speed passing. It and Magnezone1 are pretty much the only good Electric types in the first 2 sets, so I rarely pass up a fast Pokemon with STAB Tbolt like this one 474 \| Kingdra \| Timid \| Razor Fang \| Surf \| Dragon Pulse \| SmokeScreen \| Rain Dance \| SpA/Spe Only if it has Swift Swim. If it has Sniper or if you don't know what it has, I still generally take it because of the whole double STAB/good coverage and good typing stuff, but if it has Swift Swim I 100% take it 459 \| Lucario \| Modest \| Brightpowder \| Aura Sphere \| Flash Cannon \| Water Pulse \| Roar \| SpA/Spe STAB Aura Sphere is very nice, especially if you get it from 8-14 (because if a Pokemon has a Double Team moveset, it's usually the 2nd moveset). Lucario is just too good of a Pokemon :x 523 \| Ludicolo \| Impish \| Leftovers \| Leech Seed \| Toxic \| Double Team \| Rain Dance \| HP/Def/SpD 490 \| Meganium \| Calm \| Big Root \| Giga Drain \| Leech Seed \| Toxic \| Substitute \| HP/Def/SpD 606 \| Tangrowth \| Bold \| Big Root \| Giga Drain \| Leech Seed \| Toxic \| Double Team \| HP/Def/SpA 487 \| Venusaur \| Bold \| Big Root \| Giga Drain \| Ingrain \| Leech Seed \| Sleep Powder \| HP/Def/SpD Didn't try these out until Glen mentioned Leech Seed/Double Team Grass types being awesome, and he's absolutely right 435 \| Machamp \| Adamant \| Scope Lens \| Cross Chop \| Earthquake \| Bullet Punch \| Foresight \| HP/Atk Always take this cos no matter what ability Machamp has, it will benefit this set. Cross Chop generally tears apart enemy Pokemon 571 \| Machamp \| Adamant \| Focus Sash \| Revenge \| Earthquake \| Payback \| Counter \| Def/SpD Got this the first time when all I saw was EQ and thought it was the first set. It's also awesome because of CounterSash 422 \| Pinsir \| Adamant \| Coba Berry \| X-Scissor \| Earthquake \| Rock Slide \| Swords Dance \| Atk/Def What an awesome moveset :> STAB, quakeslide, Swords Dance, 2 good abilities 607 \| Porygon-Z \| Timid \| Choice Scarf \| Tri Attack \| Thunder Wave \| Recover \| Trick \| SpA/Spe Glenscarfing: The ultimate strategy (also Scarf Tri Attack is pretty awesome if you don't have a set up Pokemon) 366 \| Quagsire \| Adamant \| Rindo Berry \| Earthquake \| Aqua Tail \| Brick Break \| Counter \| HP/Atk Same thing as Kingdra really: I always always always take it with Water Absorb, but most likely take it either way because Water/Ground is a really good typing to have 483 \| Salamence \| Adamant \| Cheri Berry \| Dragon Claw \| Aerial Ace \| Aqua Tail \| Scary Face \| Atk/Spe 619 \| Salamence \| Jolly \| Razor Fang \| Dragon Claw \| Fire Fang \| Thunder Fang \| Dragon Dance \| Atk/Spe I have the powerrrrrrrrr 423 \| Scizor \| Impish \| Brightpowder \| X-Scissor \| Bullet Punch \| Swords Dance \| Baton Pass \| Atk/Def No explanation necessary lol. Even with Swarm this thing is so good 509 \| Skarmory \| Careful \| Leftovers \| Fly \| Toxic \| Double Team \| Roost \| HP/Def/SpD Same thing as the Leech Seed/Double Team Grass types. This thing nearly always sweeps everything as soon as I trade for it 397 \| Slowbro \| Bold \| Chesto Berry \| Psychic \| Surf \| Calm Mind \| Yawn \| Def/SpA 402 \| Slowking \| Quiet \| Shell Bell \| Psychic \| Brine \| Yawn \| Trick Room \| HP/Def/SpD Yawn is good in general on a bulky Pokemon like Slowbro/king, but the CM/Trick Room+double STAB is icing 359 \| Swampert \| Adamant \| Shell Bell \| Waterfall \| Earthquake \| Ice Punch \| Protect \| HP/Atk 495 \| Swampert \| Adamant \| Lum Berry \| Aqua Tail \| Earthquake \| Hammer Arm \| Curse \| HP/Atk I've already said how much I love having a Water/Ground type in the factory, and Swampert just takes it to the next level 351 \| Venusaur \| Modest \| White Herb \| Leaf Storm \| Sludge Bomb \| Amnesia \| Sleep Powder \| SpA/SpD This is another good Venusaur set. White Herb+Leaf Storm is very good,strang, and Sleep Powder/Sludge Bomb make it a very good set in general 464 \| Walrein \| Adamant \| Chople Berry \| Ice Fang \| Aqua Tail \| Swagger \| Encore \| HP/Atk This is like the only Pokemon with Encore in Open Level, so I always take it because Encore is amazing and Walrein has really good defensive stats (I don't have my SkarmCents and BlissCents memorized yet but I bet Walrein has enough of them to buy a DS game!!) 440 \| Weavile \| Adamant \| Chople Berry \| Night Slash \| Ice Punch \| Screech \| Fake Out \| Atk/Spe Second best factory lead behind Infernape1 :) Other Pokemon that are good in the Factory's first 14 battles but aren't "mandatory" (I'm too lazy to put explanations for these ones right now but I'll probably edit them in later) 371 \| Breloom \| Impish \| Focus Sash \| Seed Bomb \| Sky Uppercut \| Rock Slide \| Counter \| Atk/Def 481 \| Dragonite \| Adamant \| Lum Berry \| Dragon Claw \| Aerial Ace \| Thunder Wave \| Dragon Dance \| Atk/SpD 432 \| Drapion \| Adamant \| Lum Berry \| Poison Jab \| Crunch \| Aqua Tail \| Acupressure \| Atk/Def 455 \| Espeon \| Timid \| Lum Berry \| Psychic \| Reflect \| Calm Mind \| Baton Pass \| SpA/Spe 372 \| Forretress \| Brave \| Occa Berry \| Gyro Ball \| Bug Bite \| Revenge \| Counter \| Atk/Def 466 \| Lapras \| Adamant \| Leftovers \| Aqua Tail \| Avalanche \| Ice Shard \| Curse \| HP/Atk 468 \| Magnezone \| Bold \| Light Clay \| Thunderbolt \| Mirror Shot \| Light Screen \| Reflect \| Def/SpA 484 \| Metagross \| Adamant \| Brightpowder \| Zen Headbutt \| Bullet Punch \| Facade \| Light Screen \| Atk/Def 620 \| Metagross \| Modest \| Wise Glasses \| Psychic \| Flash Cannon \| Shadow Ball \| Sludge Bomb \| Def/SpA 476 \| Milotic \| Modest \| Shell Bell \| Surf \| Ice Beam \| Attract \| Hypnosis \| HP/SpA 403 \| Miltank \| Impish \| Cheri Berry \| Return \| Iron Head \| Thunder Wave \| Milk Drink \| Atk/Def 413 \| Mismagius \| Modest \| Kasib Berry \| Shadow Ball \| Power Gem \| Magical Leaf \| Memento \| SpA/Spe 418 \| Muk \| Adamant \| Black Sludge \| Poison Jab \| Shadow Sneak \| Minimize \| Acid Armor \| HP/Atk 552 \| Poliwrath \| Adamant \| Lax Incense \| Waterfall \| DynamicPunch \| Poison Jab \| Bulk Up \| HP/Atk 482 \| Tyranitar \| Brave \| Focus Band \| Rock Slide \| Payback \| Avalanche \| Curse \| Atk/SpD 456 \| Umbreon \| Careful \| Leftovers \| Payback \| Confuse Ray \| Curse \| Baton Pass \| Def/SpD 425 \| Ursaring \| Brave \| Focus Sash \| Slash \| Payback \| Avalanche \| Counter \| HP/Atk 452 \| Vaporeon \| Modest \| Brightpowder \| Surf \| Ice Beam \| Acid Armor \| Baton Pass \| HP/SpA 582 \| Yanmega \| Adamant \| Muscle Band \| Aerial Ace \| U-turn \| Night Slash \| Steel Wing \| Atk/Spe I love talking about the factory

Nov 2nd, 2009, 2:45:40 PM	#1362
kingbattlus Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,472 Michigan	i've swapped to starmie as my lead from counter-bond gengar for my first 49 battles and i'm convinced it's a smart decision... starmie slaughters everything. not that gengar doesn't accomplish a similar role, but starmie is really awesome for speed running. i'm currently using a timid life orb one because i don't have a modest expert belt to use, but i think this is going to work out just fine unless someone can provide good reason not use it. i also have garchomp on there (2/3 of jump's starmie/chomp/ttar team that everyone used for a while), and now I don't have anything that hits shedinja. i love metagross though. something with a strong priority in bullet punch and that can explode on a last poke when i'm still sitting with an untouched garchomp is just too awesome to pass on. still pressing on with the team i came up with, though two losses in the first set of seven is depressing. it comes down to learning how to play with the team though, and i made it to the 7th battle before i lost on the 2nd run--which i lost for the same reason!--so i at least made progress. and i managed to down the electric types that came at me again in the first couple battles, which was an improvement. stalling is gay though, PP counting and switching and ten minute battles... if it wins it wins though. good luck to everyone struggling through the factory i wish i could join you

Nov 3rd, 2009, 2:04:32 AM	#1364
ungulateman Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 1,119 Cambodia	By the way legendaries do turn up in the Battle Fagtory before the fourth set - Thorton had an Articuno when I faced him. Along with a fucking haxer Nidoking of course. __________________ What's the difference between mainstream religion and Scientology? A few thousand years.

Nov 3rd, 2009, 10:30:54 AM	#1365
Namexx Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 24	"Not put on the list due to mistrust from other members: - ninja1357 (823) - Latios, Skarmory, Jolteon & how he/she supposedly lost " Look at his/her nails! its almost scary (last picture in the 'how he/she...' link), it must be a she, just wow -_-

Nov 3rd, 2009, 3:07:29 PM	#1366
kingbattlus Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,472 Michigan	made it through the first set of 7 after palmer and was feeling pretty good... and then i lost in battle 57 to a stupid espeon. it CMed up, got an untimely crit which cost me the match. i could've played it a little differently but i definitely would've been putting a lot of faith in the hax working my way instead of the game's to pull out a win. and espeon was the first poke, so there were still two mystery pokes that could've been troublesome still... sigh... i am getting better with the team though, it's getting easier to see what i should be doing and stuff. i almost goofed up in the battle 50 against a drifblim that i tried to use Counter against lol but i'm getting better now!

Nov 3rd, 2009, 4:03:41 PM	#1367
Lord Yawgmoth Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 36 Phyrexia	I got to 147 wins in the Battle Hall with SpecsMence, but lost to a Bastiodon. I missed Hydro Pump, and it OHKO'd me with Blizzard. >.< I've also gotten to 63 wins in the Battle Tower with Gyarados, LO Electivire, and Scarf Heatran. I don't really remember what happened at the battle that I lost, but I remember a Machamp Quick Claw activiation and a Cross Chop miss against a Porygon-2 cost me the match. __________________ Pokemon Black FC: 4427-1375-7112 NOTE: I use legal hacks. Note that any battles you have with me will likely be uploaded to Youtube. If you don't want this, just ask.

Nov 3rd, 2009, 5:06:39 PM	#1368
Glen Moderator Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 6,495	great post phid!!! in other news at 36 or so my team of good mons lost to the dd altaria edit: also im more appreciative of mence now. set 1 isnt too bad, i just find without se moves his dclaw often falls short of an ohko and he'll get killed by something random. the outrage set is absolutely amazing, i have no idea why i didn't mention it earlier. anything with outrage is amazing. the outrage dragonite will kill absolutely everything too. outrage garchomp? dont even worry. __________________ i weep for all these things, or laugh

Nov 3rd, 2009, 6:01:36 PM	#1369
Phiddlesticks Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 453 Hamilton, Ontario	I came across Garchomp4 last night somewhere in the 29-35 set but accidentally hit B when he asked me to trade. Kinda sucks because I had Froslass3/Swampert1/Cresselia3 at the time and I would have loved to trade Froslass for it. I also happened to lose the next battle against a team of Heracross/Tauros/Gengar, ended up being Gengar vs Cress with both at full HP and the Gengar was the Payapa set :( If I had Garchomp instead of Froslass I think I would have had a much better chance of winning, but I have nobody to blame but myself for that. Also not EVERYTHING with Outrage is good, but at least everything with STAB Outrage is good. Only saying this because of things like the STABless Snorlax set with like Outrage/Gunk Shot oof

Nov 3rd, 2009, 8:34:32 PM	#1370
Glen Moderator Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 6,495	oh ya sry i meant stab outrage outrage venusaur is -_____- __________________ i weep for all these things, or laugh

Nov 4th, 2009, 1:29:57 AM	#1371
DrDimentio Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 168 Australia	Update on my Tower progress: I've passed my previous 196 record, with a different Steel type than Scizor... indeed, it's Registeel. He has not died once in the entire streak. He's that good. Anyway, I'll post again whenever I lose... I doubt I'll get anywhere near Peterko... but oh well. __________________ My YouTube Pokemon Videos ~ Shiny Thundurus encounter, National Pokedex complete (646), Burgh's rape dungeon exposed, and more.

Nov 4th, 2009, 12:48:40 PM	#1373
Peterko Never give up! Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 1,070	bozo exploding with 500+... other people struggling in their streaks... man, I´ll never get a nice streak... maybe I should give up... oh wait, I´m not that type of guy... I´ll give it all I´ve got! __________________ Black & White Battle Subway Records Platinum/HG/SS Battle Frontier and DP Battle Tower Records DP Battle Tower Records (Smogon's Greatest Hits) Emerald Battle Frontier Max Stats Pokemon Database Battle Subway Super Singles record: 623 - Cloyster, Garchomp, Suicune

Nov 4th, 2009, 1:11:04 PM	#1374
Shelcario Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 1,421	Wow Peterko, maybe you'll be lucky enough to break 2000 wins, good luck on that:D __________________ Currently: Diamond: At the Battle Tower Platinum: At the Battle Factory