CAP 8 - Part 14a - Complete Movepool Submissions

cyberzero · May 16th, 2009, 1:32:12 PM

Our Pokemon so far:

Type: Electric / Dragon
Style Bias: Somewhat Defensive
Build Bias: Mixed, possibly Special
Ability: Shield Dust/Static
Stats: 108 HP/60 Atk/118 Def/112 Sp Atk/70 Sp Def/80 Spe

This is the thread where all competitive moves are integrated into a complete pokemon movepool, which includes Level-Up, TM, HM, and Egg Moves. This is also the thread where Breeding Group is discussed.

Based on participation in the previous movepool threads, the TL should select several members to present a complete movepool submission.

Allowed moves are the ONLY Competitive moves that are allowed in a final movepool. All other Competitive moves, even those not mentioned in the Move discussion thread -- are NOT ALLOWED in a final movepool.

Any Non-Competitive move can be included in a complete movepool.

If anyone attempts to include additional Competitive moves, not agreed in the previous polls, it will be the TL's responsibility to see that the submitter removes them from the full movepool submission.

X-Act wrote a guide that describes the characteristics of an appropriate movepool. That guide is located here, and should be used as a reference for all movepool submitters.

**Stellar** · May 16th, 2009, 3:35:28 PM

Ok. This was a collaborative effort in #carp (not #CAP!) between Beej, Billymills, myself, Misaki-Chi, Macle, and Reyscarface.

Level Up:

Code:

HS    Water Gun
HS    Weather Ball
-     Thundershock
-     Leer
5     Bite
11    Twister
17    Mist
21    Charge
27    Discharge
31    Dragonbreath
38    Thunder Fang
46    Rain Dance
51    Dragon Claw
58    Tri Attack
65    Thunder

Volt Tackle etc aren't included because they are kinda extraneous. Recovery isn't in the actual level-up movepool because it gets Roost as a TM.

Egg Moves:

Code:

Egg    Haze
Egg    Dragon Dance
Egg    Dragon Rush
Egg    Glare
Egg    Gust
Egg    Supersonic
Egg    Yawn
Egg    Reflect

We though Reflect should be limited, so it is available as an egg move but not as a TM (much like Ninetales' Energy Ball).

Tutors:

Code:

Tutor    Air cutter
Tutor    Icy Wind
Tutor    Ominous Wind
Tutor    Vacuum Wave
Tutor    ThunderPunch
Tutor    Zen Headbutt
Tutor    Helping Hand
Tutor    Magnet Rise
Tutor    Snore
Tutor    Uproar
Tutor    Bounce
Tutor    Aqua Tail
Tutor    Outrage
Tutor    Signal Beam
Tutor    Twister
Tutor    Draco Meteor

TMs / HMs:

Code:

TM02    Dragon Claw
TM03    Water Pulse
TM05    Roar
TM06    Toxic
TM07     Hail
TM10    Hidden Power
TM12    Taunt
TM15    Hyper Beam
TM17    Protect
TM18    Rain Dance
TM20    Safeguard
TM21    Frustration
TM23    Iron Tail
TM24    Thunderbolt
TM25    Thunder
TM27    Return
TM29    Psychic
TM30    Shadow Ball
TM31    Brick Break
TM32    Double Team
TM34    Shock Wave
TM35    Flamethrower
TM38    Fire Blast
TM40    Aerial Ace
TM41    Torment
TM42    Facade
TM43    Secret Power
TM44    Rest
TM45    Attract
TM46    Thief
TM51    Roost
TM56    Fling
TM57    Charge Beam
TM58    Endure
TM59    Dragon Pulse
TM62    Silver Wind
TM63    Embargo
TM65    Shadow Claw
TM68    Giga Impact
TM70    Flash
TM73    Thunder Wave
TM77    Psych Up
TM78    Captivate
TM79    Dark Pulse
TM80    Rock Slide
TM82    Sleep Talk
TM83    Natural Gift
TM87    Swagger
TM88    Pluck
TM90    Substitute
TM91    Flash Cannon
HM03    Surf
HM04    Strength
HM05    Defog
HM06    Rock Smash
HM07    Waterfall

Gets Roar, Taunt, Fire Blast, Flamethrower, Surf. No Hydro Pump, Overheat, Stealth Rock. No Light Screen or Reflect as TMs, but Reflect is an egg move.

**Deck Knight** · May 16th, 2009, 3:41:52 PM

This is the king baby, tennis basically said I came up with it so I can submit it as my own. Thanks for offering help though.

Final Submission:

Code:

Level-Up:

H. Weather Ball
H. Gravity
1. Thundershock
1. Leer
4. Thunder Wave
7. Tackle
11. Charge
15. Spark
19. Stun Spore
22. Double-Hit
25. Discharge
29. Slack Off
33. Tri-Attack 
38. Dragon Dance
45. Volt Tackle
54. Hyper Beam

Code:

Egg: (Dragon/Monster)
Yawn
Dragonbreath
Hydro Pump
Overheat
Curse
Fire Fang
Thunder Fang
Dragon Rush
Haze
Block

Code:

TM:

TM02 - Dragon Claw
TM03 - Water Pulse
TM05 - Roar
TM06 - Toxic
TM07 - Hail
TM10 - Hidden Power
TM11 - Sunny Day
TM12 - Taunt
TM15 - Hyper Beam
TM16 - Light Screen
TM17 - Protect
TM18 - Rain Dance
TM20 - Safeguard
TM21 - Frustration
TM23 - Iron Tail
TM24 - Thunderbolt
TM25 - Thunder
TM26 - Earthquake
TM27 – Return
TM30 – Shadow Ball
TM32 - Double Team
TM34 - Shock Wave
TM35 - Flamethrower
TM37 - Sandstorm
TM40 - Aerial Ace
TM41 - Torment
TM42 - Facade
TM43 - Secret Power
TM44 - Rest
TM45 - Attract
TM57 - Charge Beam
TM58 - Endure
TM59 - Dragon Pulse
TM62 - Silver Wind
TM65 - Shadow Claw
TM66 - Payback
TM68 - Giga Impact
TM70 - Flash
TM73 - Thunder Wave
TM78 – Captivate
TM82 - Sleep Talk
TM83 - Natural Gift
TM87 - Swagger
TM90 - Substitute
TM92 - Trick Room
HM03 - Surf
HM04 - Strength
HM05 - Defog
HM06 - Rock Smash

Code:

Tutor Moves:
Draco Meteor

Air Cutter
Fire Punch
Knock Off
Ominous Wind
ThunderPunch
Vacuum Wave
Magnet Rise
Snore
Swift
Ancientpower
Aqua Tail
Outrage
Signal Beam
Twister

Highlights:

Stun Spore, Slack Off, Discharge, Volt Tackle, Hydro Pump, Overheat.

Legal Egg Combos:

Yawn + Curse (Slowbro)
Yawn + Hydro Pump (Blastoise, Kingdra)
Yawn + Block (Slowbro)
Yawn + Curse + Block (Slowbro)
Yawn + Haze (Blastoise)
Yawn + Haze + Hydro Pump (Blastoise)
Curse + Hydro Pump (Lapras)
Curse + Block (Bastiodon)
Haze + Fangs (Arbok)
Haze + Dragon Rush (Dragonite)
Haze + Dragonbreath + Dragon Rush (Dragonite)
Overheat + Dragon Rush (Charizard)
Overheat + Fire Fang + Dragon Rush (Charizard)
Fire Fang + Dragon Rush: Garchomp
Fangs + Hydro Pump + Dragon Rush (Salamence)

So basically you can't have support moves or Hydro Pump with Overheat. Otherwise everything is possible.

Other notes: No Fire Blast, No Stealth Rock, Uses Light Screen and Safeguard but not Reflect, has Roar, Taunt, Trick Room, Gravity. Has Vacuum Wave.

Random crap:
Double Hit, Tri-Attack, Payback.

Kaxtar · May 16th, 2009, 3:49:08 PM

Looks great DK. Your movepool has everything I want, and more. You will get my vote for sure.

Leman · May 16th, 2009, 3:54:56 PM

Quote:

Level Up:
0: Scratch
0: Mist
8: Dragon Rage
11: Thunder Wave
15: Spark
19: Dragon Breath
24: Discharge
28: Air Slash
33: Twister
37: Whirlwind
42: Razor Wind
48: Haze
54: Dragon Claw
58: Volt Tackle

BMs (Dragon):
- Hydro Pump
- Outrage
- Yawn
- Leer
- Dragon Rush
- Crunch
- Refresh
- Fire Fang

TMs:
2: Dragon Claw
5: Roar
6: Toxic
10: Hidden Power
11: Sunny Day
12: Taunt
15: Hyper Beam
16: Light Screen
17: Protect
18: Rain Dance
20: Safegaurd
21: Frustration
22: Solar Beam
23: Iron Tail
24: Thunderbolt
25: Thunder
26: Earthquake
27: Return
31: Brick Break
32: Double Team
33: Reflect
34: Shock Wave
35: Flamethrower
38: Fire Blast
39: Rock Tomb
40: Aerial Ace
41: Torment
42: Facade
43: Secret Power
44: Rest
45: Attract
46: Thief
54: False Swipe
56: Fling
57: Charge Beam
58: Endure
59: Dragon Pulse
65: Shadow Claw
68: Giga Impact
70: Flash
73: Thunder Wave
76: Stealth Rock
87: Swagger
90: Substitute
HM1: Cut
HM2: Fly
HM4: Strength
HM6: Rock Smash

MTs:
- Draco Meteor
- Fury Cutter
- Knock Off
- Helping Hand
- Last Resort
- Magnet Rise
- Snore
- Swift
- Endeavor
- Iron Head
- Outrage
- Signal Beam
- Twister
- Bounce

I believe it follows all the guidelines. Point out any mistakes please. There's no Recover-ish move on him., and He doesn't get Light Screen. D: For attacks he has everything he needs. Underlined are Competetive moves.

petrie911 · May 16th, 2009, 4:11:04 PM

Could you post the allowed/disallowed lists in the OP? It's a bit annoying to have to sort through the movepool topics to find the allowed and unallowed moves, especially since you have to go to a different topic to find out which controversial moves are allowed/disallowed.

TekkenStorm · May 16th, 2009, 4:35:07 PM

Steller could you perhaps add Volt tackle/Earthquake to make a DD set a little viable?

cyberzero · May 16th, 2009, 4:36:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat petrie911

Could you post the allowed/disallowed lists in the OP? It's a bit annoying to have to sort through the movepool topics to find the allowed and unallowed moves, especially since you have to go to a different topic to find out which controversial moves are allowed/disallowed.

No problem, they'll be up momentarily.

dorkknight23 · May 16th, 2009, 4:41:19 PM

Level Up-List

Code:

H. Weather Ball
1. Tackle
1. Charge
1. Thundershock
3. Smokescreen
5. Thundershock
8. Charge
13. Thunder Wave
19. Dragonbreath
25. Thunderbolt
28. Slack Off
33. Tri Attack
38. Rain Dance
45. Thunder
53. Dragon Pulse
Unique Competitive Moves: Charge, Dragonbreath, Slack Off

TM List

Code:

TM02 - Dragon Claw
TM03 - Water Pulse
TM05 - Roar
TM06 - Toxic
TM08 - Bulk Up
TM10 - Hidden Power
TM11 - Sunny Day
TM12 - Taunt
TM15 - Hyper Beam
TM16 - Light Screen
TM17 - Protect
TM18 - Rain Dance
TM20 - Safeguard
TM21 - Frustration
TM22 - SolarBeam
TM24 - Thunderbolt
TM25 - Thunder
TM27 - Return
TM32 - Double Team
TM33 - Reflect
TM34 - Shock Wave
TM35 - Flamethrower
TM38 - Fire Blast
TM40 - Aerial Ace
TM42 - Facade
TM43 - Secret Power
TM44 - Rest
TM45 - Attract
TM53 - Energy Ball
TM57 - Charge Beam
TM58 - Endure
TM59 - Dragon Pulse
TM68 - Giga Impact
TM70 - Flash
TM73 - Thunder Wave
TM82 - Sleep Talk
TM83 - Natural Gift
TM90 - Substitute
TM92 - Trick Room
HM02 - Fly
HM03 - Surf
HM04 - Strength
HM05 – Defog

Egg Moves

Code:

Egg Group: Dragon/Monster
Dragon Dance
Counter
Light Screen
Fire Fang
Thunder Fang
Fury Attack
Competitive Moves: Dragon Dance, Counter, Light Screen

Move Tutors

Code:

Draco Meteor
Air Cutter
Vacuum Wave
Magnet Rise
Snore
Uproar
Outrage
Heatwave
Twister
Signal Beam
Aqua Tail

Aerodactyl Legend · May 16th, 2009, 4:42:09 PM

Here's my submission. Hopefully I'm not missing anything...

Level Up:

Code:

H - Morning Sun
H - Tri Attack
H - Weather Ball
1 - Thundershock
7 - Twister
11 - Bite
16 - Dragon Rage
19 - Mist
24 - Stun Spore
31 - Dragonbreath
35 - Haze
41 - Thunderbolt(/Discharge?-please give quick vote)
49 - Volt Tackle
56 - Dragon Pulse
64 - Thunder
75 - Hyper Beam

Been cut down properly to 16. Doesn't look overpopulated now. I like this list a lot better. Went a little old school obviously. Mostly emphasizes Special moves of course. Morning Sun is my main pick for the dude's healer.

TMs:

Code:

TM02 - Dragon Claw
TM03 - Water Pulse
TM05 - Roar
TM06 - Toxic
TM07 - Hail
TM10 - Hidden Power
TM11 - Sunny Day
TM14 - Blizzard
TM15 - Hyper Beam
TM16 - Light Screen
TM17 - Protect
TM18 - Rain Dance
TM20 - Safeguard
TM21 - Frustration
TM22 - SolarBeam
TM24 - Thunderbolt
TM25 - Thunder
TM26 - Earthquake
TM27 - Return
TM32 - Double Team
TM33 - Reflect
TM34 - Shock Wave
TM35 - Flamethrower
TM38 - Fire Blast
TM39 - Rock Tomb
TM40 - Aerial Ace
TM42 - Facade
TM43 - Secret Power
TM44 - Rest
TM45 - Attract
TM51 - Roost
TM56 - Fling
TM57 - Charge Beam
TM58 - Endure
TM59 - Dragon Pulse
TM62 - Silver Wind
TM65 - Shadow Claw
TM68 - Giga Impact
TM70 - Flash
TM73 - Thunder Wave
TM78 - Captivate 
TM82 - Sleep Talk
TM83 - Natural Gift
TM87 - Swagger
TM90 - Substitute
HM02 - Fly
HM03 - Surf
HM04 - Strength
HM05 - Defog
HM06 - Rock Smash

A good amount of TMs can possibly go on this guy and I went with nearly all of them. With Dragon Dance, the physical moves have viability. I don't mind the dual screens, but many others do...and I went along and decided to add Roost.

Egg Moves:

Code:

Curse
Crunch
Dragon Dance
Dragon Rush
Fire Fang
Hydro Pump
Ice Fang
Refresh
Thunderfang
Whirlwind
 
Notable Parents:
Aerodactyl- Curse, Crunch, Fire Fang, Ice Fang, Thunderfang, Whirlwind
Lapras- Dragon Dance, Curse, Hydro Pump, Refresh
Salamence- Crunch, Dragon Dance, Dragon Rush, Fire Fang, Hydro Pump, Thunder Fang

Tutor:

Code:

Air Cutter
Ancientpower
Bounce
Draco Meteor
Icy Wind
Knock Off
Ominous Wind
Outrage
Signal Beam
Snore
Swift
Uproar
Vacuum Wave
Zen Headbutt
Twister

Please point out anything strange or omitted. And feel free to ask about and criticize my decisions.

**Stellar** · May 16th, 2009, 4:45:10 PM

Aerodactyl, the movepool guide says to limit the level up list to 12-16 moves. You have 17 not including the Heart Scale moves (20+ if you include them). This needs to be toned down a bit.

I'll talk to the rest of the group about Volt Tackle / Earthquake.

Aerodactyl Legend · May 16th, 2009, 4:54:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Stellar

Aerodactyl, the movepool guide says to limit the level up list to 12-16 moves. You have 17 not including the Heart Scale moves (20+ if you include them). This needs to be toned down a bit.

I'll talk to the rest of the group about Volt Tackle / Earthquake.

Yeah, completely aware of how big it is. I hesitated to put it through, but I just decided to just see how it was, then tone it down. I'm fixing it right now.

Hohahihehu · May 16th, 2009, 5:46:46 PM

I was working on one, but I'm not going to bother now since Deck Knight's has pretty much everything that I had planned. Volt Tackle/Charge/Discharge/Gravity in Level Up, Hydro Pump/Overheat in Egg Moves, no Reflect/Stealth Rock, Magnet Rise/Draco Meteor/Outrage/Vacuum Wave/Aqua Tail in tutor moves. The single thing that I would like on it, and this is mostly from a flavor perspective, is to add Weather Ball, either by sticking it in there or switching Double Hit for it. Double Hit doesn't really do much for it anyway, and Weather Ball suits the Pokemon. Adding Weather Ball would make this submission absolutely perfect in my opinion.

Also, other than the obvious Dragon Egg group, I think there should be the Monster egg group. I mean, an electrical three-headed cloud dragon pretty much instantly fits the Monster bill.

Not Scicky · May 16th, 2009, 7:01:00 PM

My biggest issue with Stellars is the inclusion of Roost and the exclusion of magnet rise, so far, every electric type gets magnet rise (other than Lanturn, since it's underwater, Zapdos since it's flying, and Rotom since it levitates) and there are no pokemon (other than mew and dodrio) with roost that don't have wings.

It's nitpicky and stupid I know >>

**Deck Knight** · May 16th, 2009, 7:03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Hohahihehu

I was working on one, but I'm not going to bother now since Deck Knight's has pretty much everything that I had planned. Volt Tackle/Charge/Discharge/Gravity in Level Up, Hydro Pump/Overheat in Egg Moves, no Reflect/Stealth Rock, Magnet Rise/Draco Meteor/Outrage/Vacuum Wave/Aqua Tail in tutor moves. The single thing that I would like on it, and this is mostly from a flavor perspective, is to add Weather Ball, either by sticking it in there or switching Double Hit for it. Double Hit doesn't really do much for it anyway, and Weather Ball suits the Pokemon. Adding Weather Ball would make this submission absolutely perfect in my opinion.

Also, other than the obvious Dragon Egg group, I think there should be the Monster egg group. I mean, an electrical three-headed cloud dragon pretty much instantly fits the Monster bill.

I've already used up all my competitive moveslots on more important things, but I don't really think Weather Ball suits Cyclohm much. Flamethrower and Surf have the same approximate power in the corresponding weather, special attackers without SS immunity don't function well in Sandstorm, and an Ice move is probably useless if someone has summoned Auto-hail, unless you have Abomasnow on your team to surprise SS users for the fun of it.

***Vader**** · May 16th, 2009, 8:49:11 PM

At this point, I'm also really liking Deck Knight's submission. The only thing that I can honestly say I dislike is the inclusion of Volt Tackle, but other than that it's perfect and I am almost certainly voting for it.

Sc4rfCh0mp · May 16th, 2009, 9:23:43 PM

Here's the current movepool I'm working on.

Code:

Level-Up
H. Mirror Coat
H. Dragon Dance
1. Thundershock
3. Leer
5. Ember
8. Thunder Wave
13. Water Gun
20. Spark
23. Twister
27. Recover
31. Discharge
36. Mist Ball
42. Dragon Pulse
45. Gravity
49. Volt Tackle
53. Tri Attack

Cyclohm gets some pretty notable moves in his level-up set, including Dragon Pulse, Gravity, Mist Ball, Thunder Wave, Mirror Coat, Recover, and Discharge.

Code:

TM List
TM 02- Dragon Claw
TM 03- Water Pulse
TM 05- Roar
TM 06- Toxic
TM 10- Hidden Power
TM 11- Sunny Day
TM 12- Taunt
TM 15- Hyper Beam
TM 16- Light Screen
TM 17- Protect
TM 18- Rain Dance
TM 20- Safeguard
TM 21- Frustration
TM 24- Thunderbolt
TM 25- Thunder
TM 26- Earthquake
TM 27- Return
TM 30- Shadow Ball
TM 32- Double Team
TM 34- Shock Wave
TM 35- Flamethrower
TM 38- Fire Blast
TM 39- Rock Tomb
TM 42- Facade
TM 43- Secret Power
TM 44- Rest
TM 45- Attract
TM 50- Overheat
TM 56- Fling
TM 57- Charge Beam
TM 58- Endure
TM 59- Dragon Pulse
TM 66- Payback
TM 68- Giga Impact
TM 70- Flash
TM 73- Thunder Wave
TM 78- Captivate
TM 82- Sleep Talk
TM 83- Natural Gift
TM 88- Pluck
TM 92- Trick Room
HM 02- Fly
HM 03- Surf
HM 05- Defog
HM 06- Rock Smash

Dragon Pulse and Thunder Wave reappear here. I chose not to put Reflect in, because Cyclohm has a 118 base Defense, which is pretty good enough as it is. However, the 70 Special Defense would love to get a Light Screen boost.

Code:

Egg Moves (Dragon/Monster)
Dragon Rage (Garchomp, Charizard, Kingdra*, Gyarados, Dragonite, Salamence*)
Dragonbreath (Altaria, Salamence, Flygon, Sceptile*, Milotic*, Kingdra*, Dragonite*, Garchomp*)
Fire Fang (Charizard, Arbok, Tyranitar, Salamence, Garchomp, Rhyperior*)
Thunder Fang (Arbok, Tyranitar, Salamence, Rhyperior*)
Growth (Venusaur, Tropius, Torterra*)
Yawn (Slowbro, Snorlax, Kingdra*, Blastoise*)
Dragon Rush (Garchomp, Dragonite, Aggron*, Altaria*, Salamence*, Rhyperior*, Charizard*)
Curse (Slowbro, Torterra, Venusaur*, Rhyperior*, Snorlax*, Tyranitar*, Tropius*, Swampert*, Aggron*, Bastiodon*, Lickitung*, Lapras*)

Only Yawn and Curse are really valued on Cyclohm, and both of them are legal together, thanks to Slowbro. In case you're wondering where all the different moves come from, I posted a list of Pokemon that can supply the move to Cylcohm with each move. An asterik indicates chain breeding.

Code:

Tutor Moves
Air Cutter
Knock Off
Icy Wind
Ominous Wind
Vacuum Wave
Draco Meteor
Magnet Rise
Aqua Tail
Heat Wave
Uproar
Ancientpower
Snore
Swift
Outrage
Signal Beam

Draco Meteor, Vacuum Wave, Outrage, Heat Wave, and Magnet Rise are the most viable here.

This movepool is complete for now, but I'll still take suggestions. I chose to not put in Hydro Pump to decrease the overpowering risk. Stealth Rock was also omitted for the same reason.

polelover44 · May 16th, 2009, 9:36:59 PM

Code:

0Level-up moves:
H. Thunder Fang
1. Thundershock
1. Tackle
1. Leer
1. Pound
5. Growl
10. Agility
15. Thunder Wave
23. Dragon Pulse
30. Charge Beam
35. Dragon Dance
40. Recover
45. Dragon Claw
48. Zap Cannon
55. Thunderbolt
65. Outrage
65. Draco Meteor

Code:

TM/HM moves:
TM02 - Dragon Claw
TM03 - Water Pulse
TM05 - Roar
TM06 - Toxic
TM07 - Hail
TM10 - Hidden Power
TM11 - Sunny Day
TM13 - Ice Beam
TM14 - Blizzard
TM15 - Hyper Beam
TM16 - Light Screen
TM17 - Protect
TM18 - Rain Dance
TM20 - Safeguard
TM21 - Frustration
TM22 - SolarBeam
TM23 - Iron Tail
TM24 - Thunderbolt
TM25 - Thunder
TM26 - Earthquake
TM27 - Return
TM30 - Shadow Ball
TM31 - Brick Break
TM32 - Double Team
TM33 - Reflect
TM34 - Shock Wave
TM35 - Flamethrower
TM36 - Sludge Bomb
TM38 - Fire Blast
TM42 - Facade
TM43 - Secret Power
TM44 - Rest
TM45 - Attract
TM46 - Thief
TM47 - Steel Wing
TM50 - Overheat
TM51 - Roost
TM53 - Energy Ball
TM56 - Fling
TM57 - Charge Beam
TM58 - Endure
TM59 - Dragon Pulse
TM61 - Will-o-wisp
TM62 - Silver Wind
TM68 - Giga Impact
TM69 - Rock Polish
TM73 - Thunder Wave
TM76 - Stealth Rock
TM78 - Captivate
TM82 - Sleep Talk
TM83 - Natural Gift
TM89 - U-turn
TM90 - Substitute
TM91 - Flash Cannon
TM92 - Trick Room
HM03 - Surf
HM06 - Rock Smash
HM07 - Waterfall
HM08 - Rock Climb

Code:

Egg Moves:
Light Screen
Mist
Haze
Supersonic
Dragon Rush

Code:

Tutor Moves:
Fire Punch
Ice Punch
Sucker Punch
ThunderPunch
Magnet Rise
Swift
Ancientpower
Aqua Tail
Heat Wave
Outrage
Seed Bomb
Signal Beam
Draco Meteor

petrie911 · May 16th, 2009, 9:39:52 PM

Code:

Level Moves

H  Morning Sun
H  Weather Ball
H  Volt Tackle
1  Thundershock
1  Leer
6  Gust
11 Twister
17 Charge
23 Discharge
30 Dragonbreath
36 Haze
36 Mist
42 Tri-Attack
48 Thunder
55 Dragon Pulse

Volt Tackle, Morning Sun, and Haze are definitely viable. Weather Ball and Discharge are usable, but outclassed in many ways. Charge, Mist, and Dragonbreath are questionable, but certainly options. Thunder and Dragon Pulse are TMs. Tri-Attack is there for the lulz.

Code:

Egg Moves (Dragon/Monster)

Dragon Dance 
Dragon Rush 
Hydro Pump
Water Sport 
Refresh 
Smokescreen 
Nature Power 
Air Slash 
Whirlwind 

Whirlwind, Air Slash, and Nature Power are illegal with other egg moves (Tropius is the only father)
Hydro Pump+Dragon Rush is illegal
Smokescreen+Refresh is illegal
Water Sport+Smokescreen is illegal
Water Sport+Dragon Dance is illegal
Water Sport+Dragon Rush is illegal

Dragon Dance, Hydro Pump, Refresh, Whirlwind, and maybe Dragon Rush are usable. It does get Roar through TM, and Dragon Rush is questionable. Also, note that Hydro Pump+Dragon Dance and Whirlwind+all those things mentioned are illegal.

If anyone can think of ways to do some of the above, please say so.

Code:

TM List

TM02 - Dragon Claw
TM03 - Water Pulse
TM05 - Roar
TM06 - Toxic
TM07 - Hail
TM10 - Hidden Power
TM11 - Sunny Day
TM12 - Taunt
TM13 - Ice Beam
TM14 - Blizzard
TM15 - Hyper Beam
TM16 - Light Screen
TM17 - Protect
TM18 - Rain Dance
TM20 - Safeguard
TM21 - Frustration
TM22 - SolarBeam
TM24 - Thunderbolt
TM25 - Thunder
TM26 - Earthquake
TM27 - Return
TM30 - Shadow Ball
TM32 - Double Team
TM33 - Reflect
TM34 - Shock Wave
TM37 - Sandstorm
TM40 - Aerial Ace
TM41 - Torment
TM42 - Facade
TM43 - Secret Power
TM44 - Rest
TM45 - Attract
TM50 - Overheat
TM53 - Energy Ball
TM57 - Charge Beam
TM58 - Endure
TM59 - Dragon Pulse
TM62 - Silver Wind
TM67 - Recycle
TM68 - Giga Impact
TM70 - Flash
TM72 - Avalanche
TM73 - Thunder Wave
TM77 - Psych Up
TM78 - Captivate
TM79 - Dark Pulse
TM80 - Rock Slide
TM82 - Sleep Talk
TM83 - Natural Gift
TM87 - Swagger
TM90 - Substitute
TM91 - Flash Cannon
HM03 - Surf
HM05 - Defog
HM07 - Waterfall

Code:

Move Tutor

Air Cutter
Ice Punch
Icy Wind
Knock Off
Ominous Wind
Vacuum Wave
Helping Hand
Thunderpunch
Magnet Rise
Snore
Heat Wave
Mud Slap
Outrage
Signal Beam
Twister

Draco Meteor

Omissions from the allowed moves list

Attacking

Bug Buzz--Not really that useful, and it does have Signal Beam if it really wants a Bug attack. It's also hard to fit in, as it has to be a level-up move.
Psychic/Luster Purge/Mist Ball--I'd like Rev to be a good check to more defensive versions. So no Psychic moves.
Ancientpower--This is hardly competitive, as HP Rock is certainly better. Flavor-wise, doesn't fit.
Zap Cannon--Couldn't fit it in, doesn't need it. Would have made it an egg move, but that has certain issues.
Flamethrower/Fire Blast--Dragon/Fire/Electric seems like a bit too good of an attacking combination without some drawback. But if people object to this a lot, I'd be willing to add Flamethrower.

Supporting

Yawn--I don't want this to have a sleep move, even Yawn. Toxic and Twave are perfectly good status moves.
Recover--The 50% heal moves seem like too much. It's already got great defenses and HP and a great attacking stat. I'd rather it didn't have perfectly reliable recovery.
Stealth Rock--Does it need it? No. Do I want it to have it? No.
Curse--This wasn't entirely intentional, but it didn't seem to need it and I couldn't really fit it in. I'd have given it Bulk Up, but it's not on the list.
Others--They didn't seem necessary, so I didn't try to fit them in.

Flavor moves

For flavor moves, I went with a sort of weather/nature theme. Hence moves like Icy Wind and Air Cutter, as well as EQ, Avalanche, and Rock Slide. Also why I'd sort of like Heat Wave to be its main fire move, although I do have competitive reasons as well.

So, questions? Comments? Concerns?

Umbreon Dan · May 17th, 2009, 3:52:52 AM

I wasn't completely satisfied with the current sets, so I put one together. I took a sort of "everything" approach, so mine has considerably more viable options than most of the others.

Level-up list

Code:

H - Weather Ball
H - Tri Attack
1 - Thundershock
1 - Bite
6 - Twister
13 - Spark
18 - Haze
23 - Sonicboom
31 - Discharge
39 - Dragonbreath
47 - Thunder Fang
53 - Mist Ball
58 - Dragon Claw
66 - Zap Cannon
72 - Volt Tackle
75 - Thunder

Includes Volt Tackle and Zap Cannon, for those who like alternative Electric moves. For artistic reasons, I was annoyed that none of the other sets got Sonicboom, so there it is.

Egg moves
Group: Dragon/Monster

Code:

Dragon Dance
Dragon Rush
Hydro Pump
Fire Fang
Crunch
Gust
Yawn
Growth

There's Dragon Dance for novelty physical sweepers, and Hydro Pump for the same reasons Salamence gets it as an egg move. Most of the moves can be obtained from Salamence, Gust and Growth can come from Tropius, and Yawn comes from Kingdra.

TMs/HMs

Code:

TM02 - Dragon Claw
TM03 - Water Pulse
TM05 - Roar
TM06 - Toxic
TM07 - Hail
TM10 - Hidden Power
TM11 - Sunny Day
TM12 - Taunt
TM14 - Blizzard
TM15 - Hyper Beam
TM16 - Light Screen
TM17 - Protect
TM18 - Rain Dance
TM21 - Frustration
TM24 - Thunderbolt
TM25 - Thunder
TM26 - Earthquake
TM27 - Return
TM30 - Shadow Ball
TM32 - Double Team
TM33 - Reflect
TM34 - Shock Wave
TM35 - Flamethrower
TM37 - Sandstorm
TM38 - Fire Blast
TM42 - Facade
TM43 - Secret Power
TM44 - Rest
TM45 - Attract
TM50 - Overheat
TM51 - Roost
TM57 - Charge Beam
TM58 - Endure
TM59 - Dragon Pulse
TM62 - Silver Wind
TM68 - Giga Impact
TM70 - Flash
TM72 - Avalanche
TM73 - Thunder Wave
TM76 - Stealth Rock
TM78 - Captivate
TM82 - Sleep Talk
TM83 - Natural Gift
TM90 - Substitute
TM91 - Flash Cannon
HM01 - Cut
HM02 - Fly
HM03 - Surf
HM05 - Defog

Why Stealth Rock? Well, I ask you: Why not? It's a decent filler on any set, but it's not like it's going to be used much. Roost is a solid healing move. Blizzard wasn't on the allowed/unallowed list, but nobody's going to use it with all the Dragon moves anyway, and it's weather-related, so I included it for artistic reasons. I included the screens because that's the way the vote went. Vacuum Wave was always a move I wanted and the three Fire moves are because I didn't want to give it just one.

Move Tutors

Code:

Air cutter
Icy Wind
Ominous Wind
Vacuum Wave
Bounce
Outrage
Signal Beam
Twister
Draco Meteor
Zen Headbutt
Magnet Rise
Knock Off
Heat Wave

Obviously, I was looking for weather-related moves.

Note: Okay, by now, Cyzir's helped me so much that it's practically a joint submission.

Naxte · May 17th, 2009, 9:16:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Umbreon Dan

Includes Volt Tackle and Zap Cannon, for those who like alternative Electric moves. For artistic reasons, I was annoyed that none of the other sets got Sonicboom, so there it is.

Very nice, Umbreon. However, I'd like it more if for similar reasons you (or anyone else for that matter) included Hyper Voice as a filler over something like Dragon Claw that it gets as a TM; as a big thundercloud dragon, I'd figure it would have a pretty hyper voice, after all. This is just an entirely flavor based request though, so I woun't be bothered if it doesn't show up.

(And if somone brings up that only normal types learn it, Politoed got it as an additon in Platinum, according to Serebii adn ShoddyBattle).

Dogfish44 · May 17th, 2009, 10:07:40 AM

Level Up

Code:

H: Charge
H: Rage
1: Thundershock
1: Acid
1: Knock Off
7: Scary Face
14: Thunder Wave
22: Counter
22: Mirror Coat
29: Tri-Attack
31: Mist
39: Dragonbreath
48: Thunder
60: Zap Cannon

Counter, Knock off, Thunder, Thunder Wave stand out here personally.

Egg (Amourphous/Dragon)

Code:

Dragon Dance
Hydro Pump
Fire Blast
Pain Split
Yawn

Hydro Pump, Fire Blast and perhaps Dragon dance stand out here.

Tutor

Code:

Outrage
Aqua Tail
Rollout
Snore
Psych Up

Nothing major here in reality. Outrage perhaps.
TM/HM

Code:

TM02: Dragon Claw
TM03: Water Pulse
TM05: Roar
TM06: Toxic
TM07: Hail
TM10: Hidden Power
TM11: Sunny Day
TM12: Taunt
TM13: Ice Beam
TM15: Hyper Beam
TM16: Light Screen
TM17: Protect
TM18: Rain Dance
TM20: Safeguard
TM21: Fustration
TM23: Iron Tail
TM24: Thunderbolt
TM25: Thunder
TM26: Earthquake
TM27: Return
TM30: Shadow Ball
TM31: Brick Break
TM32: Double Team
TM33: Reflect
TM34: Shock Wave
TM35: Flamethrower
TM37: Sandstorm
TM39: Rock Tomb
TM40: Aerial Ace
TM41: Torment
TM42: Façade
TM43: Secret Power
TM44: Rest
TM45: Attract
TM51: Roost
TM53: Energy Ball
TM54: False Swipe
TM56: Fling
TM57: Charge Beam
TM58: Endure
TM59: Dragon Pulse
TM63: Embargo
TM65: Shadow Claw
TM66: Payback
TM68: Giga Impact
TM70: Flash
TM72: Avalanche
TM73: Thunder Wave
TM74: Gyro Ball
TM78: Captivate
TM80: Rock Slide
TM82: Sleep Talk
TM84: Poison Jab
TM90: Substitute
TM91: Flash Cannon
HM01: Cut
HM02: Fly
HM04: Strength
HM05: Defog
HM06: Rock Smash
HM08: Rock Climb

Large TM & HM list. No Surf or stealth rock.

Smaller list in Tutor moves, Different Egg group to the norm for Pain split. Swalot covers yawn and Pain Split, whilst the remaining moves are availiable via salamence.

Umbreon Dan · May 17th, 2009, 11:03:58 AM

Thanks Naxte. I'm not sure about Hyper Voice... I'm not really feeling it on this guy. If anyone else wants it, I can include it, but I personally can't see it.

DV317: Oh, thanks for catching that. I was supposed to be just an Egg move.

DarthVader317 · May 17th, 2009, 11:24:19 AM

@Umbreon Dan: You have Dragon Dance listed under Move Tutors.

Gothic Togekiss · May 17th, 2009, 1:10:13 PM

At the moment it looks like a toss-up between Umbreon Dan's and Aerodactyl Legend. AL has everything I'm looking for, though a bit more fine-tuning wouldn't hurt. Dan's is great but it's missing Earthquake. Now if he added it into the TM/HM list that would be great.

May 16th, 2009, 1:32:12 PM	#1
cyberzero Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,010	CAP 8 - Part 14a - Complete Movepool Submissions Our Pokemon so far: Type: Electric / Dragon Style Bias: Somewhat Defensive Build Bias: Mixed, possibly Special Ability: Shield Dust/Static Stats: 108 HP/60 Atk/118 Def/112 Sp Atk/70 Sp Def/80 Spe This is the thread where all competitive moves are integrated into a complete pokemon movepool, which includes Level-Up, TM, HM, and Egg Moves. This is also the thread where Breeding Group is discussed. Based on participation in the previous movepool threads, the TL should select several members to present a complete movepool submission. Allowed moves are the ONLY Competitive moves that are allowed in a final movepool. All other Competitive moves, even those not mentioned in the Move discussion thread -- are NOT ALLOWED in a final movepool. Any Non-Competitive move can be included in a complete movepool. If anyone attempts to include additional Competitive moves, not agreed in the previous polls, it will be the TL's responsibility to see that the submitter removes them from the full movepool submission. X-Act wrote a guide that describes the characteristics of an appropriate movepool. That guide is located here, and should be used as a reference for all movepool submitters.

May 16th, 2009, 3:41:52 PM	#3
Deck Knight Jigen Makkoto Moderator Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 6,887 Massachusetts	This is the king baby, tennis basically said I came up with it so I can submit it as my own. Thanks for offering help though. Final Submission: Code: Level-Up: H. Weather Ball H. Gravity 1. Thundershock 1. Leer 4. Thunder Wave 7. Tackle 11. Charge 15. Spark 19. Stun Spore 22. Double-Hit 25. Discharge 29. Slack Off 33. Tri-Attack 38. Dragon Dance 45. Volt Tackle 54. Hyper Beam Code: Egg: (Dragon/Monster) Yawn Dragonbreath Hydro Pump Overheat Curse Fire Fang Thunder Fang Dragon Rush Haze Block Code: TM: TM02 - Dragon Claw TM03 - Water Pulse TM05 - Roar TM06 - Toxic TM07 - Hail TM10 - Hidden Power TM11 - Sunny Day TM12 - Taunt TM15 - Hyper Beam TM16 - Light Screen TM17 - Protect TM18 - Rain Dance TM20 - Safeguard TM21 - Frustration TM23 - Iron Tail TM24 - Thunderbolt TM25 - Thunder TM26 - Earthquake TM27 – Return TM30 – Shadow Ball TM32 - Double Team TM34 - Shock Wave TM35 - Flamethrower TM37 - Sandstorm TM40 - Aerial Ace TM41 - Torment TM42 - Facade TM43 - Secret Power TM44 - Rest TM45 - Attract TM57 - Charge Beam TM58 - Endure TM59 - Dragon Pulse TM62 - Silver Wind TM65 - Shadow Claw TM66 - Payback TM68 - Giga Impact TM70 - Flash TM73 - Thunder Wave TM78 – Captivate TM82 - Sleep Talk TM83 - Natural Gift TM87 - Swagger TM90 - Substitute TM92 - Trick Room HM03 - Surf HM04 - Strength HM05 - Defog HM06 - Rock Smash Code: Tutor Moves: Draco Meteor Air Cutter Fire Punch Knock Off Ominous Wind ThunderPunch Vacuum Wave Magnet Rise Snore Swift Ancientpower Aqua Tail Outrage Signal Beam Twister Highlights: Stun Spore, Slack Off, Discharge, Volt Tackle, Hydro Pump, Overheat. Legal Egg Combos: Yawn + Curse (Slowbro) Yawn + Hydro Pump (Blastoise, Kingdra) Yawn + Block (Slowbro) Yawn + Curse + Block (Slowbro) Yawn + Haze (Blastoise) Yawn + Haze + Hydro Pump (Blastoise) Curse + Hydro Pump (Lapras) Curse + Block (Bastiodon) Haze + Fangs (Arbok) Haze + Dragon Rush (Dragonite) Haze + Dragonbreath + Dragon Rush (Dragonite) Overheat + Dragon Rush (Charizard) Overheat + Fire Fang + Dragon Rush (Charizard) Fire Fang + Dragon Rush: Garchomp Fangs + Hydro Pump + Dragon Rush (Salamence) So basically you can't have support moves or Hydro Pump with Overheat. Otherwise everything is possible. Other notes: No Fire Blast, No Stealth Rock, Uses Light Screen and Safeguard but not Reflect, has Roar, Taunt, Trick Room, Gravity. Has Vacuum Wave. Random crap: Double Hit, Tri-Attack, Payback. __________________ [17:53] <&Deck_Knight> If I Cite and Prune CiteandPrune's post, what does that make me? [17:54] <Birkal> a citeandprune cite and prunner [17:54] <%DHR> O_o lol [17:54] <+Mos_Quitoxe> Cite and Prune doesn't do enough of either [17:55] <+Mos_Quitoxe> can we make him change it or force him to pay damages [17:55] <&Deck_Knight> It would be a lot easier for him to Cite and Prune if we made him a mod. [17:56] <&Deck_Knight> I delegate this task to Birkal. [17:57] <Birkal> >:\| Last edited by Deck Knight; May 20th, 2009 at 7:27:45 AM.

May 16th, 2009, 7:01:00 PM	#14
Not Scicky Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,311 Bland Juicer	My biggest issue with Stellars is the inclusion of Roost and the exclusion of magnet rise, so far, every electric type gets magnet rise (other than Lanturn, since it's underwater, Zapdos since it's flying, and Rotom since it levitates) and there are no pokemon (other than mew and dodrio) with roost that don't have wings. It's nitpicky and stupid I know >> __________________ And I was gone.

May 16th, 2009, 8:49:11 PM	#16
*Vader caustic Super Moderator** Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 2,263 avatar by magistrum	At this point, I'm also really liking Deck Knight's submission. The only thing that I can honestly say I dislike is the inclusion of Volt Tackle, but other than that it's perfect and I am almost certainly voting for it. __________________

May 16th, 2009, 9:39:52 PM	#19
petrie911 Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 858	Code: Level Moves H Morning Sun H Weather Ball H Volt Tackle 1 Thundershock 1 Leer 6 Gust 11 Twister 17 Charge 23 Discharge 30 Dragonbreath 36 Haze 36 Mist 42 Tri-Attack 48 Thunder 55 Dragon Pulse Volt Tackle, Morning Sun, and Haze are definitely viable. Weather Ball and Discharge are usable, but outclassed in many ways. Charge, Mist, and Dragonbreath are questionable, but certainly options. Thunder and Dragon Pulse are TMs. Tri-Attack is there for the lulz. Code: Egg Moves (Dragon/Monster) Dragon Dance Dragon Rush Hydro Pump Water Sport Refresh Smokescreen Nature Power Air Slash Whirlwind Whirlwind, Air Slash, and Nature Power are illegal with other egg moves (Tropius is the only father) Hydro Pump+Dragon Rush is illegal Smokescreen+Refresh is illegal Water Sport+Smokescreen is illegal Water Sport+Dragon Dance is illegal Water Sport+Dragon Rush is illegal Dragon Dance, Hydro Pump, Refresh, Whirlwind, and maybe Dragon Rush are usable. It does get Roar through TM, and Dragon Rush is questionable. Also, note that Hydro Pump+Dragon Dance and Whirlwind+all those things mentioned are illegal. If anyone can think of ways to do some of the above, please say so. Code: TM List TM02 - Dragon Claw TM03 - Water Pulse TM05 - Roar TM06 - Toxic TM07 - Hail TM10 - Hidden Power TM11 - Sunny Day TM12 - Taunt TM13 - Ice Beam TM14 - Blizzard TM15 - Hyper Beam TM16 - Light Screen TM17 - Protect TM18 - Rain Dance TM20 - Safeguard TM21 - Frustration TM22 - SolarBeam TM24 - Thunderbolt TM25 - Thunder TM26 - Earthquake TM27 - Return TM30 - Shadow Ball TM32 - Double Team TM33 - Reflect TM34 - Shock Wave TM37 - Sandstorm TM40 - Aerial Ace TM41 - Torment TM42 - Facade TM43 - Secret Power TM44 - Rest TM45 - Attract TM50 - Overheat TM53 - Energy Ball TM57 - Charge Beam TM58 - Endure TM59 - Dragon Pulse TM62 - Silver Wind TM67 - Recycle TM68 - Giga Impact TM70 - Flash TM72 - Avalanche TM73 - Thunder Wave TM77 - Psych Up TM78 - Captivate TM79 - Dark Pulse TM80 - Rock Slide TM82 - Sleep Talk TM83 - Natural Gift TM87 - Swagger TM90 - Substitute TM91 - Flash Cannon HM03 - Surf HM05 - Defog HM07 - Waterfall Code: Move Tutor Air Cutter Ice Punch Icy Wind Knock Off Ominous Wind Vacuum Wave Helping Hand Thunderpunch Magnet Rise Snore Heat Wave Mud Slap Outrage Signal Beam Twister Draco Meteor Omissions from the allowed moves list Attacking Bug Buzz--Not really that useful, and it does have Signal Beam if it really wants a Bug attack. It's also hard to fit in, as it has to be a level-up move. Psychic/Luster Purge/Mist Ball--I'd like Rev to be a good check to more defensive versions. So no Psychic moves. Ancientpower--This is hardly competitive, as HP Rock is certainly better. Flavor-wise, doesn't fit. Zap Cannon--Couldn't fit it in, doesn't need it. Would have made it an egg move, but that has certain issues. Flamethrower/Fire Blast--Dragon/Fire/Electric seems like a bit too good of an attacking combination without some drawback. But if people object to this a lot, I'd be willing to add Flamethrower. Supporting Yawn--I don't want this to have a sleep move, even Yawn. Toxic and Twave are perfectly good status moves. Recover--The 50% heal moves seem like too much. It's already got great defenses and HP and a great attacking stat. I'd rather it didn't have perfectly reliable recovery. Stealth Rock--Does it need it? No. Do I want it to have it? No. Curse--This wasn't entirely intentional, but it didn't seem to need it and I couldn't really fit it in. I'd have given it Bulk Up, but it's not on the list. Others--They didn't seem necessary, so I didn't try to fit them in. Flavor moves For flavor moves, I went with a sort of weather/nature theme. Hence moves like Icy Wind and Air Cutter, as well as EQ, Avalanche, and Rock Slide. Also why I'd sort of like Heat Wave to be its main fire move, although I do have competitive reasons as well. So, questions? Comments? Concerns?

May 16th, 2009, 3:49:08 PM	#4
Kaxtar Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 2,029 Michigan	Looks great DK. Your movepool has everything I want, and more. You will get my vote for sure.

May 16th, 2009, 4:11:04 PM	#6
petrie911 Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 858	Could you post the allowed/disallowed lists in the OP? It's a bit annoying to have to sort through the movepool topics to find the allowed and unallowed moves, especially since you have to go to a different topic to find out which controversial moves are allowed/disallowed.

May 16th, 2009, 4:35:07 PM	#7
TekkenStorm Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 203 Stalking Hybrid	Steller could you perhaps add Volt tackle/Earthquake to make a DD set a little viable?

May 16th, 2009, 4:45:10 PM	#11
Stellar Moderator Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 2,280	Aerodactyl, the movepool guide says to limit the level up list to 12-16 moves. You have 17 not including the Heart Scale moves (20+ if you include them). This needs to be toned down a bit. I'll talk to the rest of the group about Volt Tackle / Earthquake.

May 16th, 2009, 5:46:46 PM	#13
Hohahihehu Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 103	I was working on one, but I'm not going to bother now since Deck Knight's has pretty much everything that I had planned. Volt Tackle/Charge/Discharge/Gravity in Level Up, Hydro Pump/Overheat in Egg Moves, no Reflect/Stealth Rock, Magnet Rise/Draco Meteor/Outrage/Vacuum Wave/Aqua Tail in tutor moves. The single thing that I would like on it, and this is mostly from a flavor perspective, is to add Weather Ball, either by sticking it in there or switching Double Hit for it. Double Hit doesn't really do much for it anyway, and Weather Ball suits the Pokemon. Adding Weather Ball would make this submission absolutely perfect in my opinion. Also, other than the obvious Dragon Egg group, I think there should be the Monster egg group. I mean, an electrical three-headed cloud dragon pretty much instantly fits the Monster bill.

May 17th, 2009, 3:52:52 AM	#20
Umbreon Dan Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 3,188 kiss my ass, this is a holy site.	I wasn't completely satisfied with the current sets, so I put one together. I took a sort of "everything" approach, so mine has considerably more viable options than most of the others. Level-up list Code: H - Weather Ball H - Tri Attack 1 - Thundershock 1 - Bite 6 - Twister 13 - Spark 18 - Haze 23 - Sonicboom 31 - Discharge 39 - Dragonbreath 47 - Thunder Fang 53 - Mist Ball 58 - Dragon Claw 66 - Zap Cannon 72 - Volt Tackle 75 - Thunder Includes Volt Tackle and Zap Cannon, for those who like alternative Electric moves. For artistic reasons, I was annoyed that none of the other sets got Sonicboom, so there it is. Egg moves Group: Dragon/Monster Code: Dragon Dance Dragon Rush Hydro Pump Fire Fang Crunch Gust Yawn Growth There's Dragon Dance for novelty physical sweepers, and Hydro Pump for the same reasons Salamence gets it as an egg move. Most of the moves can be obtained from Salamence, Gust and Growth can come from Tropius, and Yawn comes from Kingdra. TMs/HMs Code: TM02 - Dragon Claw TM03 - Water Pulse TM05 - Roar TM06 - Toxic TM07 - Hail TM10 - Hidden Power TM11 - Sunny Day TM12 - Taunt TM14 - Blizzard TM15 - Hyper Beam TM16 - Light Screen TM17 - Protect TM18 - Rain Dance TM21 - Frustration TM24 - Thunderbolt TM25 - Thunder TM26 - Earthquake TM27 - Return TM30 - Shadow Ball TM32 - Double Team TM33 - Reflect TM34 - Shock Wave TM35 - Flamethrower TM37 - Sandstorm TM38 - Fire Blast TM42 - Facade TM43 - Secret Power TM44 - Rest TM45 - Attract TM50 - Overheat TM51 - Roost TM57 - Charge Beam TM58 - Endure TM59 - Dragon Pulse TM62 - Silver Wind TM68 - Giga Impact TM70 - Flash TM72 - Avalanche TM73 - Thunder Wave TM76 - Stealth Rock TM78 - Captivate TM82 - Sleep Talk TM83 - Natural Gift TM90 - Substitute TM91 - Flash Cannon HM01 - Cut HM02 - Fly HM03 - Surf HM05 - Defog Why Stealth Rock? Well, I ask you: Why not? It's a decent filler on any set, but it's not like it's going to be used much. Roost is a solid healing move. Blizzard wasn't on the allowed/unallowed list, but nobody's going to use it with all the Dragon moves anyway, and it's weather-related, so I included it for artistic reasons. I included the screens because that's the way the vote went. Vacuum Wave was always a move I wanted and the three Fire moves are because I didn't want to give it just one. Move Tutors Code: Air cutter Icy Wind Ominous Wind Vacuum Wave Bounce Outrage Signal Beam Twister Draco Meteor Zen Headbutt Magnet Rise Knock Off Heat Wave Obviously, I was looking for weather-related moves. Note: Okay, by now, Cyzir's helped me so much that it's practically a joint submission. __________________ 9.9 dan likes to ramble <@Fatecrashers> im really gay <@Fatecrashers> and i might fart rainbows Last edited by Umbreon Dan; May 17th, 2009 at 4:45:40 PM.

May 17th, 2009, 11:03:58 AM	#23
Umbreon Dan Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 3,188 kiss my ass, this is a holy site.	Thanks Naxte. I'm not sure about Hyper Voice... I'm not really feeling it on this guy. If anyone else wants it, I can include it, but I personally can't see it. DV317: Oh, thanks for catching that. I was supposed to be just an Egg move. __________________ 9.9 dan likes to ramble <@Fatecrashers> im really gay <@Fatecrashers> and i might fart rainbows Last edited by Umbreon Dan; May 17th, 2009 at 11:40:30 AM.

May 17th, 2009, 11:24:19 AM	#24
DarthVader317 Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 525 United States of America	@Umbreon Dan: You have Dragon Dance listed under Move Tutors. __________________ ASB profile

May 17th, 2009, 1:10:13 PM	#25
Gothic Togekiss Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 4,486 PKMN Trainer Hijiri at your services	At the moment it looks like a toss-up between Umbreon Dan's and Aerodactyl Legend. AL has everything I'm looking for, though a bit more fine-tuning wouldn't hurt. Dan's is great but it's missing Earthquake. Now if he added it into the TM/HM list that would be great. __________________ Diamond: Rinneth (3222 2619 1334) Platinum: Remilia (5328 9611 0881) *White: Hijiri (3138 5947 0732) I can clone in B&W now. PM/VM if you need any. Everything I ever RNG'd is here What you buying stranger?*