New DPP Tier Lists

X-Act · Apr 6th, 2009, 5:19:33 AM

The second quarter of 2009 sees, as usual, the updating of the tier lists. However, this quarter sees a major difference: the first official DP UU List!

First of all, the OU List. It is almost exactly the same as its predecessor, except for two Pokemon:

Smeargle is now OU
Yanmega is now UU

This means that, from now on, Smeargle is banned from UU but Yanmega is allowed in UU (unless it becomes a Suspect, which is something that isn't at my discretion).

The OU list is thus:

Code:

Aerodactyl
Alakazam
Azelf
Blissey
Breloom
Bronzong
Celebi
Cresselia
Donphan
Dragonite
Dugtrio
Dusknoir
Electivire
Empoleon
Flygon
Forretress
Gengar
Gliscor
Gyarados
Heatran
Heracross
Hippowdon
Infernape
Jirachi
Jolteon
Kingdra
Latias
Lucario
Machamp
Magnezone
Mamoswine
Metagross
Ninjask
Porygon-Z
Rhyperior
Rotom-A
Salamence
Scizor
Skarmory
Smeargle
Snorlax
Starmie
Suicune
Swampert
Tentacruel
Togekiss
Tyranitar
Vaporeon
Weavile
Zapdos
(50 Pokemon)

Now, behold the very first official Smogon UU list:

Code:

Absol
Altaria
Ambipom
Arcanine
Azumarill
Blastoise
Blaziken
Chansey
Charizard
Claydol
Clefable
Drapion
Electrode
Espeon
Feraligatr
Gardevoir
Hariyama
Hitmonlee
Hitmontop
Honchkrow
Houndoom
Kabutops
Lanturn
Ludicolo
Magmortar
Mesprit
Milotic
Miltank
Mismagius
Moltres
Muk
Nidoking
Nidoqueen
Ninetales
Omastar
Poliwrath
Porygon2
Primeape
Regirock
Registeel
Roserade
Rotom
Sceptile
Scyther
Shaymin
Slowbro
Spiritomb
Steelix
Swellow
Torterra
Toxicroak
Typhlosion
Umbreon
Uxie
Venusaur
Yanmega
Weezing
(57 Pokemon)

Yeah, there are some surprises here, and there are also a lot of Pokemon that surprisingly AREN'T here. I'll leave the fun of discovering them up to you!

panamaxis · Apr 6th, 2009, 5:21:40 AM

thanks for the hard work X-Act, needless to say yanmega will be on my next UU team.

Solidus · Apr 6th, 2009, 5:27:00 AM

I thank you, X-Act. I'm not really surprised by the list though.

KnightoftheWind · Apr 6th, 2009, 5:35:08 AM

Excellent job X-Act! I'll be sure to take these new lists into account.

Chou Toshio · Apr 6th, 2009, 5:40:18 AM

Thanks again X-Act! Huh, maybe Porygon 2 will be heading up to OU (eeked out 1 rank above Yanmega this last month), even though it kind of sucks in UU compared to how it does in OU.

wildfire393 · Apr 6th, 2009, 5:40:35 AM

Well, can't say this is incredibly surprising, Smeargle is one of the most versatile Pokemon in the game and Yanmega has been on the decline since Platinum. Will have to check out the UU list at some point.

zocho · Apr 6th, 2009, 5:41:18 AM

cool! yanmega is a pretty good pokeyman. it'll be fun tearing shit up in uu

also, question. if a poke isnt on either list, what does that mean? for example: hitmonchan, regice

Thorns · Apr 6th, 2009, 5:43:43 AM

brb getting yanmega banned

Chou Toshio · Apr 6th, 2009, 5:44:39 AM

Also, my new NU Team:

Jumpluff (setting up sun), Scarf-Eruption Entei, Mix-sweep Manectric (with overheat, lol), Exeggcutor, Camerupt and Scarf-Rampardos.

I might also have to try a rain team with bulk-floatzel, Spikes/explosion quilfish and Gorebyss.

edit: Fucking A!! Gligar can be used in NU!! Mr. Mime too!! Time for Double-Screen Kadabra --> Gligar-Kingler rape in NU!!

zarator · Apr 6th, 2009, 5:48:55 AM

Code:

Aggron
Ampharos
Arbok
Ariados
Armaldo
Articuno
Banette
Bastiodon
Beautifly
Beedrill
Bellossom
Bibarel
Butterfree
Cacturne
Camerupt
Carnivine
Castform
Chatot
Cherrim
Chimecho
Cloyster
Corsola
Cradily
Crawdaunt
Delcatty
Delibird
Dewgong
Ditto
Dodrio
Drifblim
Dunsparce
Dustox
Entei
Exeggutor
Exploud
Farfetch'd
Fearow
Flareon
Floatzel
Furret
Gastrodon
Girafarig
Glaceon
Glalie
Golduck
Golem
Gorebyss
Granbull
Grumpig
Hitmonchan
Huntail
Hypno
Illumise
Jumpluff
Jynx
Kangaskhan
Kecleon
Kingler
Kricketune
Lapras
Leafeon
Ledian
Lickilicky
Linoone
Lopunny
Lumineon
Lunatone
Luvdisc
Luxray
Magcargo
Manectric
Mantine
Marowak
Masquerain
Mawile
Medicham
Meganium
Mightyena
Minun
Mothim
Mr.Mime
Noctowl
Octillery
Pachirisu
Parasect
Pelipper
Persian
Phione
Pidgeot
Pinsir
Plusle
Politoed
Probopass
Purugly
Quagsire
Qwilfish
Raichu
Rampardos
Rapidash
Raticate
Regice
Relicanth
Sableye
Sandslash
Seaking
Seviper
Sharpedo
Shedinja
Shiftry
Shuckle
Skuntank
Slaking
Slowking
Solrock
Spinda
Stantler
Sudowoodo
Sunflora
Swalot
Tangrowth
Tauros
Torkoal
Tropius
Unown
Ursaring
Venomoth
Vespiquen
Victreebel
Vileplume
Volbeat
Wailord
Walrein
Whiscash
Wigglytuff
Womadam (all forms)
Xatu
Zangoose

These are all the fully evolved Pokémon which didnt make to the UU list. I'll add some comments later

SHUCKLE MAN · Apr 6th, 2009, 5:56:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat zocho

cool! yanmega is a pretty good pokeyman. it'll be fun tearing shit up in uu

also, question. if a poke isnt on either list, what does that mean? for example: hitmonchan, regice

If a Pokemon isn't on either list, it's NU. So yes, Regice is NU. To be fair though, Chansey is the better special wall in UU, and Blissey is the better special wall in OU. Happiny, is most certainly not a good special wall though, so Regice needn't worry in NU. :)

So yes, you can start playing NU now, although there isn't a ladder, so I don't see much point. It certainly looks like an interesting tier though.

Oh, and Rhydon was THAT close to being UU!

Dr. Eyepatch · Apr 6th, 2009, 6:00:02 AM

So... if a pokémon did not make it on either list (besides the Ubers), are they NU or BL? Or, a better question, is it possible the missing ones are BL?

I am curious as to the position of Gastrodon.

zarator · Apr 6th, 2009, 6:02:13 AM

About the (supposedly) NU list, there areally are a lot of good guys to play with. Articuno, Dodrio, Drifblim, Entei, Floatzel, Lapras, Leafeon, Lickilicky, Marowak, Medicham, Pinsir, Regice, Tangrowth, Tauros and Walrein will all be very fun to use (so far these are what hit me the most)

KnightoftheWind · Apr 6th, 2009, 6:03:13 AM

I just thought of something. Should Rhydon be promoted to UU?

Chou Toshio · Apr 6th, 2009, 6:03:41 AM

Gastrodon is NU. There currently are no BL pokemon, though we have 6 up for BL nomination.

edit: Looking at the list (thanks Zarator), there are a LOT of pokemon who were "formerly BL" who are now in NU (Ramparados, Entei, Pinser, etc. etc.), while most of the good "formerly UU" pokes are still UU (Clefable, Steelix, [Scyther!? really??]).

That just serves to make me think even more that "old UU" was really screwed up. xD

Dr. Eyepatch · Apr 6th, 2009, 6:11:44 AM

Ah, I see, I see... So, we are currently working on the first official BL list or, dare I say, tier? It is unusual to see pokémon such as Medicham, Pinsir, and Tauros NU.

zarator · Apr 6th, 2009, 6:24:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat ChouToshio

Gastrodon is NU. There currently are no BL pokemon, though we have 6 up for BL nomination.

edit: Looking at the list (thanks Zarator), there are a LOT of pokemon who were "formerly BL" who are now in NU (Ramparados, Entei, Pinser, etc. etc.), while most of the good "formerly UU" pokes are still UU (Clefable, Steelix, [Scyther!? really??]).

That just serves to make me think even more that "old UU" was really screwed up. xD

Pretty much what my thoughts were. Apparently, we didn't understand at the beginning how deep was the difference between Adv and DP in the UU balance.
However, I think this will improve NU too. Adv NU was - forgive me if i offend in any way your feelings^^ - a "game of losers" (the losers being the Pokémon, not the players ofc). Really, they coolness value may be a lot, but I hate when I have to resort to Chimecho for walling and to Castform for sweeping.

X-Act · Apr 6th, 2009, 6:50:22 AM

Rhydon shouldn't be promoted to UU. Its usage was a few points outside the UU cutoff though.

Surprised by Medicham, honestly. Judging by the February and January stats alone, it would have been solidly UU. However, its use declined so much in March that it didn't even make it to UU.

Also Porygon2 was exactly the last Pokemon that made the cut-off point in UU... and was also the exact first Pokemon that didn't make the cut-off point in OU!

zocho · Apr 6th, 2009, 6:57:10 AM

yeah p2 is a pretty common sight these days, being a pretty reliable counter to the oversaturated gyarados in ou, and can work as a mence counter in a pinch as well.

and i am surprised by inclusion of electivire, barely see his ugly mug ever
same with donphan

**M Dragon** · Apr 6th, 2009, 6:57:17 AM

Can somebody explain me why marowak, venomoth, pinsir, medicham and tauros are NU?
Yanmega UU?
It just makes no sense

SHUCKLE MAN · Apr 6th, 2009, 7:23:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat M Dragon

Can somebody explain me why marowak, venomoth, pinsir, medicham and tauros are NU?
Yanmega UU?
It just makes no sense

It makes perfect sense to me! Those Pokemon didn't get enough usage to be OU, so they were put in UU. Then, they didn't get enough usage to be in the 'OU of UU', so they were NU.

And if, say, Tangrowth, or Regice, or Rhydon, or whataver, doesn't get enough usage to be in the 'OU of NU', then they'll be in the usage tier below it.

It may seem weird that something like Regice is in a tier that we previously associated with Pokemon like Delibird, but we've got to get over those associations. The tiers used to be a lot of educated guesswork, which was very flawed, they are now, however, calculated through the use of statistical manipulation of data, which is somewhat less flawed.

If people are seriously that troubled, we can just call the new tier 'UU2', or 'RU' or something, but it makes no difference whatsoever to the competitive battling.

And, there's no need for people to worry about Pokemon like Medicham being in the tier. Remember, they can still be banned if needs be, and you can always popularize the Pokemon in UU if you're that desperate for it to go.

Veedrock · Apr 6th, 2009, 7:23:39 AM

God damn it Donphan!
God damn it Donphan!
God damn it Donphan!
God damn it Donphan!
God damn it Donphan!
God damn it Donphan!
God damn it Donphan!
God damn it Donphan!
God damn it Donphan! ;_;

Thanks a bundle X-Act. Gonna go bang my head on a wall a few times.

Also, pretty cool to see Smeargle make OU (again?). It's really not a bad pokemon.

Fangren · Apr 6th, 2009, 7:33:06 AM

I for one would like to see the run-off tier from whatever didn't get the UU cut to get a better name than NU, what with historical associations...RU would probably be the best.

140 pokemon...and a lot of cool ones, too, like my favorite, Medicham.

Kefka · Apr 6th, 2009, 8:15:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat M Dragon

Can somebody explain me why marowak, venomoth, pinsir, medicham and tauros are NU?
Yanmega UU?
It just makes no sense

I agree. I mean, I can see the logic behind the process, but I don't think a pokémon like Yanmega should be made UU without a previous test. Nobody uses normal Deoxys in Ubers, should it go to OU?

What if everybody stopped using Scizor? Would it be UU until voted otherwise?

If something like Froslass is currently a Suspect, I don't understand how Yanmega is being allowed.

***RBG**** · Apr 6th, 2009, 8:22:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Kefka

I agree. I mean, I can see the logic behind the process, but I don't think a pokémon like Yanmega should be made UU without a previous test. Nobody uses normal Deoxys in Ubers, should it go to OU?

What if everybody stopped using Scizor? Would it be UU until voted otherwise?

If something like Froslass is currently a Suspect, I don't understand how Yanmega is being allowed.

You are not understanding how things work. First of all, Ubers is not a tier, it is a ban list. Secondly, OU is not doing suspect tests the way UU is doing them, so again, that points is moot. Thirdly, because of the current way we are testing UU, yes if everyone stopped using Scizor, it would be UU until proven it breaks the teir.

Apr 6th, 2009, 5:19:33 AM	#1
X-Act np: Biffy Clyro - Shock Shock Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 4,678 Malta	New DPP Tier Lists The second quarter of 2009 sees, as usual, the updating of the tier lists. However, this quarter sees a major difference: the first official DP UU List! First of all, the OU List. It is almost exactly the same as its predecessor, except for two Pokemon: Smeargle is now OU Yanmega is now UU This means that, from now on, Smeargle is banned from UU but Yanmega is allowed in UU (unless it becomes a Suspect, which is something that isn't at my discretion). The OU list is thus: Code: Aerodactyl Alakazam Azelf Blissey Breloom Bronzong Celebi Cresselia Donphan Dragonite Dugtrio Dusknoir Electivire Empoleon Flygon Forretress Gengar Gliscor Gyarados Heatran Heracross Hippowdon Infernape Jirachi Jolteon Kingdra Latias Lucario Machamp Magnezone Mamoswine Metagross Ninjask Porygon-Z Rhyperior Rotom-A Salamence Scizor Skarmory Smeargle Snorlax Starmie Suicune Swampert Tentacruel Togekiss Tyranitar Vaporeon Weavile Zapdos (50 Pokemon) Now, behold the very first official Smogon UU list: Code: Absol Altaria Ambipom Arcanine Azumarill Blastoise Blaziken Chansey Charizard Claydol Clefable Drapion Electrode Espeon Feraligatr Gardevoir Hariyama Hitmonlee Hitmontop Honchkrow Houndoom Kabutops Lanturn Ludicolo Magmortar Mesprit Milotic Miltank Mismagius Moltres Muk Nidoking Nidoqueen Ninetales Omastar Poliwrath Porygon2 Primeape Regirock Registeel Roserade Rotom Sceptile Scyther Shaymin Slowbro Spiritomb Steelix Swellow Torterra Toxicroak Typhlosion Umbreon Uxie Venusaur Yanmega Weezing (57 Pokemon) Yeah, there are some surprises here, and there are also a lot of Pokemon that surprisingly AREN'T here. I'll leave the fun of discovering them up to you! __________________ http://users.smogon.com/X-Act For all your Pokemon needs (and more!) including: the Defensive EVs applet, the Probabilities of Breeding IVs in Pokemon applet, and the Ratings of Pokemon Base Stats applet (now Version 2.0!). And also the IV to PID applet! Last edited by X-Act; Apr 6th, 2009 at 6:52:50 AM. Reason: "at my discretion" not "to"... lol

Apr 6th, 2009, 5:21:40 AM	#2
panamaxis Allons-y! Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 1,714	thanks for the hard work X-Act, needless to say yanmega will be on my next UU team. __________________ <am> shes p. hot not gonna lie <am> kinda reminds me of my mum fsr ------------------------------------- <am> if its for money its not gay

Apr 6th, 2009, 5:35:08 AM	#4
KnightoftheWind Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 2,101 Way past cool	Excellent job X-Act! I'll be sure to take these new lists into account. __________________ To live a life of power, you must have faith that what you believe is right, even if others tell you you're wrong. The first thing you must do to live a life of power is to find courage. You must be ready to reach beyond the boundaries of Time itself. And to do that, all you need is the will to take that first step....

Apr 6th, 2009, 5:40:18 AM	#5
Chou Toshio Hmmm... A name for the plan... Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 7,028 Sea Forest	Thanks again X-Act! Huh, maybe Porygon 2 will be heading up to OU (eeked out 1 rank above Yanmega this last month), even though it kind of sucks in UU compared to how it does in OU. __________________ "Hmmm... a name for this plan..."

Apr 6th, 2009, 5:43:43 AM	#8
Thorns Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 4,317 outrun my gun	brb getting yanmega banned __________________ [19:01:02] <pookar> can u go 30/12/20 with karthus? fuckhead [19:01:26] <@LonelyNess> I can die more than that if I put my mind to it [19:01:43] <@LonelyNess> in fact I can die more than that even if I don't put my mind to it

Apr 6th, 2009, 5:27:00 AM	#3
Solidus Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 507	I thank you, X-Act. I'm not really surprised by the list though.

Apr 6th, 2009, 5:40:35 AM	#6
wildfire393 Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 648	Well, can't say this is incredibly surprising, Smeargle is one of the most versatile Pokemon in the game and Yanmega has been on the decline since Platinum. Will have to check out the UU list at some point.

Apr 6th, 2009, 5:41:18 AM	#7
zocho Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 25	cool! yanmega is a pretty good pokeyman. it'll be fun tearing shit up in uu also, question. if a poke isnt on either list, what does that mean? for example: hitmonchan, regice

Apr 6th, 2009, 5:44:39 AM	#9
Chou Toshio Hmmm... A name for the plan... Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 7,028 Sea Forest	Also, my new NU Team: Jumpluff (setting up sun), Scarf-Eruption Entei, Mix-sweep Manectric (with overheat, lol), Exeggcutor, Camerupt and Scarf-Rampardos. I might also have to try a rain team with bulk-floatzel, Spikes/explosion quilfish and Gorebyss. edit: Fucking A!! Gligar can be used in NU!! Mr. Mime too!! Time for Double-Screen Kadabra --> Gligar-Kingler rape in NU!! __________________ "Hmmm... a name for this plan..." Last edited by Chou Toshio; Apr 6th, 2009 at 5:55:06 AM.

Apr 6th, 2009, 6:00:02 AM	#12
Dr. Eyepatch Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 341 Overworked at the King's Idea Laboratory, Raising Gastrodon	So... if a pokémon did not make it on either list (besides the Ubers), are they NU or BL? Or, a better question, is it possible the missing ones are BL? I am curious as to the position of Gastrodon. __________________ Please be so kind as to Rate my Team. ^_^

Apr 6th, 2009, 6:02:13 AM	#13
zarator Don't cry, little one Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 3,490 Italy	About the (supposedly) NU list, there areally are a lot of good guys to play with. Articuno, Dodrio, Drifblim, Entei, Floatzel, Lapras, Leafeon, Lickilicky, Marowak, Medicham, Pinsir, Regice, Tangrowth, Tauros and Walrein will all be very fun to use (so far these are what hit me the most)

Apr 6th, 2009, 6:03:13 AM	#14
KnightoftheWind Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 2,101 Way past cool	I just thought of something. Should Rhydon be promoted to UU? __________________ To live a life of power, you must have faith that what you believe is right, even if others tell you you're wrong. The first thing you must do to live a life of power is to find courage. You must be ready to reach beyond the boundaries of Time itself. And to do that, all you need is the will to take that first step....

Apr 6th, 2009, 6:03:41 AM	#15
Chou Toshio Hmmm... A name for the plan... Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 7,028 Sea Forest	Gastrodon is NU. There currently are no BL pokemon, though we have 6 up for BL nomination. edit: Looking at the list (thanks Zarator), there are a LOT of pokemon who were "formerly BL" who are now in NU (Ramparados, Entei, Pinser, etc. etc.), while most of the good "formerly UU" pokes are still UU (Clefable, Steelix, [Scyther!? really??]). That just serves to make me think even more that "old UU" was really screwed up. xD __________________ "Hmmm... a name for this plan..."

Apr 6th, 2009, 6:11:44 AM	#16
Dr. Eyepatch Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 341 Overworked at the King's Idea Laboratory, Raising Gastrodon	Ah, I see, I see... So, we are currently working on the first official BL list or, dare I say, tier? It is unusual to see pokémon such as Medicham, Pinsir, and Tauros NU. __________________ Please be so kind as to Rate my Team. ^_^

Apr 6th, 2009, 6:50:22 AM	#18
X-Act np: Biffy Clyro - Shock Shock Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 4,678 Malta	Rhydon shouldn't be promoted to UU. Its usage was a few points outside the UU cutoff though. Surprised by Medicham, honestly. Judging by the February and January stats alone, it would have been solidly UU. However, its use declined so much in March that it didn't even make it to UU. Also Porygon2 was exactly the last Pokemon that made the cut-off point in UU... and was also the exact first Pokemon that didn't make the cut-off point in OU! __________________ http://users.smogon.com/X-Act For all your Pokemon needs (and more!) including: the Defensive EVs applet, the Probabilities of Breeding IVs in Pokemon applet, and the Ratings of Pokemon Base Stats applet (now Version 2.0!). And also the IV to PID applet!

Apr 6th, 2009, 6:57:10 AM	#19
zocho Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 25	yeah p2 is a pretty common sight these days, being a pretty reliable counter to the oversaturated gyarados in ou, and can work as a mence counter in a pinch as well. and i am surprised by inclusion of electivire, barely see his ugly mug ever same with donphan

Apr 6th, 2009, 6:57:17 AM	#20
M Dragon The north wind Moderator Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,166	Can somebody explain me why marowak, venomoth, pinsir, medicham and tauros are NU? Yanmega UU? It just makes no sense __________________

Apr 6th, 2009, 7:23:39 AM	#22
Veedrock Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 2,780 Location: Alaska, USA Occupation: Gamer Gamerscore: 84319	God damn it Donphan! God damn it Donphan! God damn it Donphan! God damn it Donphan! God damn it Donphan! God damn it Donphan! God damn it Donphan! God damn it Donphan! God damn it Donphan! ;_; Thanks a bundle X-Act. Gonna go bang my head on a wall a few times. Also, pretty cool to see Smeargle make OU (again?). It's really not a bad pokemon. __________________ Now playing: Minecraft, Street Fighter x Tekken

Apr 6th, 2009, 7:33:06 AM	#23
Fangren Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 295	I for one would like to see the run-off tier from whatever didn't get the UU cut to get a better name than NU, what with historical associations...RU would probably be the best. 140 pokemon...and a lot of cool ones, too, like my favorite, Medicham.