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Xaqwais · Jun 4th, 2009, 8:13:23 PM

It seems more people than just me are using Rain teams in UU. That means people will start to prepare for it eventually. D:

madjohnflint · Jun 4th, 2009, 9:14:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Xaqwais

It seems more people than just me are using Rain teams in UU. That means people will start to prepare for it eventually. D:

I'm pretty sure rain teams have always been popular in UU.

Question: What exactly has lead to Hera's decline, anybody care to share their opinion?

Random Pizzaman · Jun 4th, 2009, 9:35:37 PM

Hera's been on a steady decline for a long time now, about a bit before Platinum he started his fall. I'm not really sure why he's gone on the decline, as Platinum hasn't really changed the playing field much for him, except the popularity of Scarftran and Zapdos gaining Heatwave I guess. Oh and Gyarados and Mence are super popular and can take Hera easily, so people are gravitating more towards the other GSC bug.

zorbees · Jun 4th, 2009, 10:33:53 PM

The popularity of the Rotom Forms doesn't help Heracross either.

Zepar · Jun 4th, 2009, 11:33:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Random Pizzaman

Hera's been on a steady decline for a long time now, about a bit before Platinum he started his fall. I'm not really sure why he's gone on the decline, as Platinum hasn't really changed the playing field much for him, except the popularity of Scarftran and Zapdos gaining Heatwave I guess. Oh and Gyarados and Mence are super popular and can take Hera easily, so people are gravitating more towards the other GSC bug.

Choice Band 2HKOes Gyarados or Salamence using either STAB with Stealth Rock and Scarf can Toxic or Stone Edge. Zapdos doesn't like Toxic or Stone Edge but it is a threat, and Heatran can only revenge kill.

Peachfuzz · Jun 4th, 2009, 11:58:07 PM

Along with the introduction of the Rotom forms, Heat Wave Zapdos, and the increased popularity of Timid Scarf Heatran with the banning of Chomp is Bullet Punch Scizor. Scizor can revenge kill Heracross rather easily after CC defense drops and can take Megahorns well. The choice set was probably the most popular set in DP, and the inclusion of things like Rotom who can easily switch in on select moves has really put a damper on the set. Cresselia use has also been declining since Platinum, and Heracross was always useful in dispatching of Cress. Scizor is probably more efficient at the job anyway.

Defensive/stall play is doing much better in UU now with the inclusion of Crobat. Crobat/Shaymin/Milotic/Registeel/Roserade/Spiritomb and sometimes Hitmontop over Shaymin is one of the most common teams I see. Before Crobat came back from Limbo, Blaziken and Honchkrow used to put these teams in sever danger, but having the bat as an offensive check to these wall breakers relieves a lot of pressure on the walls. Crobat also fits very well on these types of teams, preventing entry hazards and forcing a lot of switches. The delay of the removal of the suspects from the UU ladder has been far too long.

blasphemy1 · Jun 4th, 2009, 11:58:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Random Pizzaman

Hera's been on a steady decline for a long time now, about a bit before Platinum he started his fall. I'm not really sure why he's gone on the decline, as Platinum hasn't really changed the playing field much for him, except the popularity of Scarftran and Zapdos gaining Heatwave I guess. Oh and Gyarados and Mence are super popular and can take Hera easily, so people are gravitating more towards the other GSC bug.

Rotom forms utterly destroy him, as well as Gliscor being used more often due to the lack of Garchomp's presence. Gyarados takes on Scizor extremely easily, and Salamence can be EV'd to do so as well, it is more of the fact that Scizor can abuse U-Turn + Stealth Rock to wear down counters in a hurry, where Heracross might risk Megahorning a Heatran or Close Combating Gengar.

Blln · Jun 5th, 2009, 2:01:25 AM

I think Heracross' biggest problem is that it requires much too much prediction to be effective. Just glancing at the top 10 will show you that almost every pokemon there strongly resists at least one of Heracross' STABs. If you throw in the fact that Heracross is not particularly fast and usually needs a Choice item to hit as hard as it needs to, it is going to be giving TONS of setup opportunities to your opponent unless you predict perfectly every time. This just isn't worth it most of the time when pokemon that require little prediction like Salamence exist that can just gun off massively powerful moves that get their power from hitting everything neutral, or something like Infernape, which doesn't have to predict because it is fast enough to 2HKO things. If you then add in the addition of the Rotom forms and the prevalence of CBScizor doing ~50% with Bullet Punch (I'm assuming), the drop in Heracross usage is really not all that surprising.

JLei2k · Jun 5th, 2009, 2:26:55 AM

Heracross is out classed mainly. SD sets are done better by Luke and the CB set is done better by Scizor (obviously these are comparatively as they have slight differences in moves). Scarf Cross is still good but definitely not his best set. As long as Luke and Scizor are in OU they will be considered first for those respective sets before Heracross which is why Heracross usage has gone down so much.

odisseas · Jun 5th, 2009, 5:08:28 AM

Hi guys im new in here! I have been checking out smogon often and now i even have the chance to post here! I have downloaded shoddy battle and i am pleased that the six pokemon i use( and almost never change them ) are used by other users too! I am referring to scizor 1 in usage, salamence 2 gengar 9! Now about the leads i see skarmory my lead 25 in usage and this is logical i think because of the taunt lead users!

fuzzy · Jun 5th, 2009, 5:46:05 AM

Cool, thanks Doug :) i like to see Starmie is used that much!

odisseas · Jun 5th, 2009, 6:59:11 AM

Yes you see starmie is a must rapid spinner in case you have salamence gyarados etc..! But one other interesting thing is azelf remains a decent lead in second place! And that worries me because i have a skarmory lead so flamethpower and im down or switch to blissey and leave him set up and explode! I now understand its magnificent power and i will consider using it in my new shoddy team!

GatitoNeku · Jun 5th, 2009, 7:42:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat DougJustDoug

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  48 | Rhyperior  |  22512 |    3.32

It was popular, especially with SubPerior and Colonel M made a thread about it...

A.P. · Jun 5th, 2009, 8:42:15 AM

Yeah, but I do wish its usage went up some more...

pokeboss9 · Jun 5th, 2009, 9:37:46 AM

The best topic of the mouth. Here is the heart of the metagames. Thank so much for showing it Doug.

43 | Cresselia | 29042 | 4.29

Cesselia should be used more, she takes Outrages like a steel and CB U-turn does only like 30% on max hp/def Cresselia behind reflect.

odisseas · Jun 5th, 2009, 11:17:26 AM

To be honest the whole month i was playing on shoddy i didnt see one cresselia! I dont think it is the best staller in the game! Blissey is well and you see that it is used much! Personaly i have skarmbliss! The best stall ever! Furthermore with the usage of scizors of course rhyperior is used less and less! And another thing! Rotom formes are good and should be used more! I will have to wait one month to see if these forms go up in usage!

GatitoNeku · Jun 5th, 2009, 11:42:08 AM

Is she the best staller or a sitting duck?
the only set that poses as a threat is the CM set, which can be destroyed with every team having scizor or Ttar.

SHUCKLE MAN · Jun 5th, 2009, 3:59:18 PM

I just thought I might point out that Heracross was the 8th most used Pokemon in October 2007!

Boy how things have changed!!

A.P. · Jun 5th, 2009, 4:12:44 PM

Cresselia is a good staller - but she needs Reflect to take on Scizor and Tyranitar, as well as reliable recovery, and Sand Stream takes it away, as well as boosting T-Tar's Sp. Def. to the point where it (theoretically) walls Cresselia herself.

@ Odisseas: Why do you end everything with an exclamation point?

Revolution.Z · Jun 5th, 2009, 4:12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Xeorr

oh god it looks as if suicide leads are coming back in style... Where did the good times go? Well, at least meta is inb the top leading spot, grats for that, however azelf has a close second which is just meh.

Not necessarily true played in good hands azelf can double up as an exploder or a mixed sweeper for your team exploder meaning blowing up on key walls which your team may have troubles with. If you predict SR going up from your opponent and you set up SR azelf may well come back later. Generally the term suicide lead is used looking at pokemons base stats, its actually what you do with them that actually makes the difference.

EDIT: Look at my post time and ap13095's time lol 1 second difference!

Diana · Jun 5th, 2009, 7:42:00 PM

A bit late this time but thanks again, Doug.

And yeah, I'm done worrying about Electivire's usage at this point lol

I'm not too shocked at Garchomp's suspect usage. People are loving their chance to abuse it.

GatitoNeku · Jun 5th, 2009, 9:32:54 PM

Especially me. But Skymin is still not that uber, i rarely saw him. i'm sad though because Deoxys-S is removed from the suspects.

KL leon901 · Jun 5th, 2009, 10:21:44 PM

wow,impressive,lucario is geeting better around those parts,i being a lucario fan myself,am happy to know this,and its also quite impressive that scizor,ho before DP generation was never used,now is on the first place of OU,bullet punch was his magic trick i guess

BRShooter · Jun 5th, 2009, 10:55:49 PM

Terminator · Jun 6th, 2009, 12:43:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat odisseas

To be honest the whole month i was playing on shoddy i didnt see one cresselia! I dont think it is the best staller in the game! Blissey is well and you see that it is used much! Personaly i have skarmbliss! The best stall ever! Furthermore with the usage of scizors of course rhyperior is used less and less! And another thing! Rotom formes are good and should be used more! I will have to wait one month to see if these forms go up in usage!

I don't know why Rhyperior is being used less! Rotom formes are 13th in usage! And another thing! Rotom is really good! Cresselia isn't the best staller!

Anyways, thanks Doug for all your efforts. I was flabbergasted at Garchomp's skyrocket usage; it's Official all over again, haha.

Jun 4th, 2009, 8:13:23 PM	#76
Xaqwais Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 1,655	It seems more people than just me are using Rain teams in UU. That means people will start to prepare for it eventually. D: __________________ A gentleman celebrates quietly.

Jun 4th, 2009, 10:33:53 PM	#79
zorbees Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 1,579	The popularity of the Rotom Forms doesn't help Heracross either. __________________ I HAVE WON THE BET

Jun 5th, 2009, 2:01:25 AM	#83
Blln Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 707 manhattan <--> stockholm	I think Heracross' biggest problem is that it requires much too much prediction to be effective. Just glancing at the top 10 will show you that almost every pokemon there strongly resists at least one of Heracross' STABs. If you throw in the fact that Heracross is not particularly fast and usually needs a Choice item to hit as hard as it needs to, it is going to be giving TONS of setup opportunities to your opponent unless you predict perfectly every time. This just isn't worth it most of the time when pokemon that require little prediction like Salamence exist that can just gun off massively powerful moves that get their power from hitting everything neutral, or something like Infernape, which doesn't have to predict because it is fast enough to 2HKO things. If you then add in the addition of the Rotom forms and the prevalence of CBScizor doing ~50% with Bullet Punch (I'm assuming), the drop in Heracross usage is really not all that surprising. __________________ #sackofcats

Jun 5th, 2009, 2:26:55 AM	#84
JLei2k Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 153	Heracross is out classed mainly. SD sets are done better by Luke and the CB set is done better by Scizor (obviously these are comparatively as they have slight differences in moves). Scarf Cross is still good but definitely not his best set. As long as Luke and Scizor are in OU they will be considered first for those respective sets before Heracross which is why Heracross usage has gone down so much. __________________ Derp

Jun 5th, 2009, 8:42:15 AM	#89
A.P. Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 731 In my house - when I'm not somewhere else.	Yeah, but I do wish its usage went up some more... __________________ Retired from Pokémon.

Jun 4th, 2009, 11:58:07 PM	#81
Peachfuzz Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 303 California	Along with the introduction of the Rotom forms, Heat Wave Zapdos, and the increased popularity of Timid Scarf Heatran with the banning of Chomp is Bullet Punch Scizor. Scizor can revenge kill Heracross rather easily after CC defense drops and can take Megahorns well. The choice set was probably the most popular set in DP, and the inclusion of things like Rotom who can easily switch in on select moves has really put a damper on the set. Cresselia use has also been declining since Platinum, and Heracross was always useful in dispatching of Cress. Scizor is probably more efficient at the job anyway. Defensive/stall play is doing much better in UU now with the inclusion of Crobat. Crobat/Shaymin/Milotic/Registeel/Roserade/Spiritomb and sometimes Hitmontop over Shaymin is one of the most common teams I see. Before Crobat came back from Limbo, Blaziken and Honchkrow used to put these teams in sever danger, but having the bat as an offensive check to these wall breakers relieves a lot of pressure on the walls. Crobat also fits very well on these types of teams, preventing entry hazards and forcing a lot of switches. The delay of the removal of the suspects from the UU ladder has been far too long.

Jun 5th, 2009, 5:08:28 AM	#85
odisseas Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 48 Greece	Hi guys im new in here! I have been checking out smogon often and now i even have the chance to post here! I have downloaded shoddy battle and i am pleased that the six pokemon i use( and almost never change them ) are used by other users too! I am referring to scizor 1 in usage, salamence 2 gengar 9! Now about the leads i see skarmory my lead 25 in usage and this is logical i think because of the taunt lead users!

Jun 5th, 2009, 5:46:05 AM	#86
fuzzy Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 162 Germany	Cool, thanks Doug :) i like to see Starmie is used that much!

Jun 5th, 2009, 6:59:11 AM	#87
odisseas Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 48 Greece	Yes you see starmie is a must rapid spinner in case you have salamence gyarados etc..! But one other interesting thing is azelf remains a decent lead in second place! And that worries me because i have a skarmory lead so flamethpower and im down or switch to blissey and leave him set up and explode! I now understand its magnificent power and i will consider using it in my new shoddy team!

Jun 5th, 2009, 9:37:46 AM	#90
pokeboss9 Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 56 Europe	The best topic of the mouth. Here is the heart of the metagames. Thank so much for showing it Doug. 43 \| Cresselia \| 29042 \| 4.29 Cesselia should be used more, she takes Outrages like a steel and CB U-turn does only like 30% on max hp/def Cresselia behind reflect. __________________ Ladder records : OU #2 , Uber #3 , UU #13 damage calculation like pokeboss9: http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpos...7&postcount=29 greetz Last edited by pokeboss9; Jun 5th, 2009 at 9:49:58 AM.

Jun 5th, 2009, 11:17:26 AM	#91
odisseas Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 48 Greece	To be honest the whole month i was playing on shoddy i didnt see one cresselia! I dont think it is the best staller in the game! Blissey is well and you see that it is used much! Personaly i have skarmbliss! The best stall ever! Furthermore with the usage of scizors of course rhyperior is used less and less! And another thing! Rotom formes are good and should be used more! I will have to wait one month to see if these forms go up in usage!

Jun 5th, 2009, 11:42:08 AM	#92
GatitoNeku Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 186 mahora academy	Is she the best staller or a sitting duck? the only set that poses as a threat is the CM set, which can be destroyed with every team having scizor or Ttar. __________________ Manly Oxymentus:my balls hurt Manly Oxymentus: rub them

Jun 5th, 2009, 3:59:18 PM	#93
SHUCKLE MAN Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1,084	I just thought I might point out that Heracross was the 8th most used Pokemon in October 2007! Boy how things have changed!! __________________ Shedinja fainted!

Jun 5th, 2009, 4:12:44 PM	#94
A.P. Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 731 In my house - when I'm not somewhere else.	Cresselia is a good staller - but she needs Reflect to take on Scizor and Tyranitar, as well as reliable recovery, and Sand Stream takes it away, as well as boosting T-Tar's Sp. Def. to the point where it (theoretically) walls Cresselia herself. @ Odisseas: Why do you end everything with an exclamation point? __________________ Retired from Pokémon.

Jun 5th, 2009, 7:42:00 PM	#96
Diana Fennekin the cutest Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 1,258	A bit late this time but thanks again, Doug. And yeah, I'm done worrying about Electivire's usage at this point lol I'm not too shocked at Garchomp's suspect usage. People are loving their chance to abuse it. __________________ C&C work: 34 done, 2 partly done, finished 4th gen moveset errors

Jun 5th, 2009, 9:32:54 PM	#97
GatitoNeku Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 186 mahora academy	Especially me. But Skymin is still not that uber, i rarely saw him. i'm sad though because Deoxys-S is removed from the suspects. __________________ Manly Oxymentus:my balls hurt Manly Oxymentus: rub them

Jun 5th, 2009, 10:21:44 PM	#98
KL leon901 Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 28 the mountains,where i can train in peace	wow,impressive,lucario is geeting better around those parts,i being a lucario fan myself,am happy to know this,and its also quite impressive that scizor,ho before DP generation was never used,now is on the first place of OU,bullet punch was his magic trick i guess

Jun 5th, 2009, 10:55:49 PM	#99
BRShooter Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 118 You See Eye	\| Blissey \| Nature \| Calm \| 55.6 \| \| Blissey \| Nature \| Bold \| 37.7 \| Nice to see the ever-widening gap between Calm and Bold Blissey.