Rain Destruction RMT

Growlachu · Jun 6th, 2009, 7:08:07 PM

Rain Destruction Team

My team. I have always wanted to make a team. I finally decided to when
Cychlom playtesting started. I have been working on thi team for a while.
I haven't tested it out with Quilfish yet. But I will. I hope to be able to
ladder with this so I need some help.

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Bronzong, The Suicide Set-Up

Bronzong @ Damp Rock
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP/128 Atk/128 Def
Impish nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Rain Dance
- Explosion
- Stealth Rock
- Reflect
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Reasons: Well I was in a battle with Joat and he gave me the idea.
Bronzong is a great set up with good defenses. I usually set up Rain
Dance and Stealth Rocks. Then if the opponent isn't a huge threat I
Reflect. If not I use Explosion right away. Levitate is useful sice Fire is
pretty much a weak threat in rain.
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Kingdra, the Special Sweeper

Kingdra (M) @ Life Orb
Ability: Swift Swim
EVs: 252 Atk/16 Spd/240 SAtk
Mild nature (+SAtk, -Def)
- Waterfall
- Draco Meteor
- Hydro Pump
- Yawn
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Reasons: Well Kingdra is beast with Rain set up. Waterfall and Hydro
Pump are threats to anything that doesn't resist them, especially in the
Rain. Draco Meteor is for anything besides steel. Yawn is great when
fighting against a wall or tank. Swift Swim makes him fast enough to outspeed a lot of threats
in the rain.
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Kabutops, the Swords Dance Sweeper

Kabutops (M) @ Life Orb
Ability: Swift Swim
EVs: 52 HP/252 Atk/204 Spd
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Waterfall
- Stone Edge
- Swords Dance
- Aqua Jet
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Reasons: Kabutops is pretty beast with rain. Swords Dance brings
up its attack and with Life Orb, STAB, and Rain Dance added into calcs
it's attack is off the charts. Here are the calcs I borrowed.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat darkartisan

STAB and Life Orb added to a 361 attack Kabutops.
(1.5)+(361)+(30%) = 610 attack!!

multiply by 2, and you have a whopping 1220 attack power!

That has to be dangerous! Aqua Jet is a good fast physical
attack.
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Scizor, the Last Resort

Scizor (M) @ Damp Rock
Ability: Technician
EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spd
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Bullet Punch
- Brick Break
- Swords Dance
- Rain Dance
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Reasons: Scizor is good for when my sweepers are gone. He can Bullet
Punch and Brick Break to deal some damage and destroy Blissey in a
couple hits. With a Swords Dance boost he can deal some huge amounts
of damage on most foes.
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Cyclohm, the Tank

Cyclohm (M) @ Life Orb
Ability: Shield Dust
EVs: 168 Def/88 Spd/252 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Dragon Pulse
- Surf
- Thunder
- Slack Off
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Reasons: Thunder and Surf get a positive boost in the rain. Dragon
Pulse is a good special attack no matter what. Slack Off allows a form of healing.
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Qwilfish, the Toxic Spike Switch-In

Qwilfish (M) @ Damp Rock
Ability: Swift Swim
EVs: 252 HP/252 Atk/4 Spd
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Rain Dance
- Waterfall
- Poison Jab
- Explosion
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Reasons: The idea is to set up Rain Dance and attempt a sweep on
my own, or Explode on something and send in my other Pokémon
unharmed. Poison Jab is their for some variety. He's also used to negate
Toxic Spikes.
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Plus · Jun 6th, 2009, 8:39:38 PM

As a Bronzong such as yours usually sets up Rain, gets whatever it can up and dies a bit quick, you really have to watch out for dragons after your rain is gone. Your team is too slow without the rain that a regular 252 speed Cyclohm can walk all over you after the rain stops. Ambipom doesn't get a lot of breaks either in setting up rain, as it has pretty bad typing. Use a Scizor for Bullet Punch and Rain Dance, which will help your team take out threats that did not die during rain yet are severely crippled, as well as get a more reliable user of Rain Dance.

Joatmon · Jun 6th, 2009, 10:37:27 PM

I spoke to you in PM about this team, mainly concerning Kingdra, ambipom, and Kabutops, but I have one more suggestion. Consider running a bit more speed on Kabutops, say, 204 speed EVs. This allows you to outspeed Jolly Tyranitar and slower Heatran, as well as beating out Scarfed + nature base 100s in rain. 20 HP Evs doesn't make that much of a difference on Kabutops anyways, from my own experience.

Aerodactyl Legend · Jun 6th, 2009, 11:09:11 PM

Even with Waterfall, Tops works best with Aqua Jet as well. It beats the faster scarfers and beats other priority Pokes. And give it max Speed.

Growlachu · Jun 6th, 2009, 11:29:48 PM

Thanks so much guys. Did a couple edits. Joat I will look into the PM tips later.

Joatmon · Jun 6th, 2009, 11:54:40 PM

Don't bother with max speed. All you fail to outspeed with 204 speed evs in rain are Scarf Weavile and Dugtrio, who die to Aqua Jet, Scarf Timid Gengar/Azelf, of which the former is defeated by aqua jet and the latter is nonexistant, and Scarf Aerodactyl, which is NEVER seen.

Aerodactyl Legend · Jun 7th, 2009, 2:08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Joatmon

Don't bother with max speed. All you fail to outspeed with 204 speed evs in rain are Scarf Weavile and Dugtrio, who die to Aqua Jet, Scarf Timid Gengar/Azelf, of which the former is defeated by aqua jet and the latter is nonexistant, and Scarf Aerodactyl, which is NEVER seen.

My mistake. I just always ran mine with max, but that was about a year ago (man I'm drunk). Yeah, Max speed ain't needed, ignore that first one.

Growlachu · Jun 7th, 2009, 2:35:59 AM

Made a couple move edits. Credit to Joatmon for the ideas.

Son_of_Shadoo · Jun 7th, 2009, 3:09:41 AM

Weather Ball might be worth consideration on Cyclohm, since it is slightly more powerful than Surf in the rain.

Not Scicky · Jun 7th, 2009, 4:02:38 AM

Yeah, and then becomes what is basically a wasted move slot after rain runs out =/

Not worth it IMO

Growlachu · Jun 7th, 2009, 11:02:20 AM

Yeah, I have to agree with Atryoki. I put Cyclohm as my first pokemon in the team and then built around him. So he is good with and without rain.

Wobby · Jun 7th, 2009, 12:03:00 PM

Please tell me you don't really mean to use Scizor to setup Rain Dance! Scizor is being wasted here by throwing Damp Rock on it and wasting a move slot that is better suited for a different pokemon. Please change it to hold a Life Orb and replace Rain Dance with either Roost or X-Scissor.

Growlachu · Jun 7th, 2009, 12:18:21 PM

Sorry Wobby, but that's the point of Scizor. He sets up rain dance but manages to do some major damage on Blissey, and others, while staying strong to Salamence and the likes.

Objection · Jun 7th, 2009, 3:07:33 PM

Ludicolo can do all of that with Rain Dance/Surf/Ice Beam/Leech Seed.

Growlachu · Jun 7th, 2009, 3:28:42 PM

Hmm. I might look into that. Thanks Objection!

Plus · Jun 7th, 2009, 11:19:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Wobby

Please tell me you don't really mean to use Scizor to setup Rain Dance! Scizor is being wasted here by throwing Damp Rock on it and wasting a move slot that is better suited for a different pokemon. Please change it to hold a Life Orb and replace Rain Dance with either Roost or X-Scissor.

It fits his team, who cares. He gets a dragon resist in a dragon infested metagame, which is extremely important. It just seems like you're saying that a set like CB Scizor should be the only set Scizor uses because it is good. Damp Rock Scizor is fine enough to set up Rain, and can come in on shit like Tyranitar who would be an ass to Rain Dance teams otherwise, Rain Dance when Tar is threatened, and you have the advantage at that point. You're completely missing the point that it's a team, not a single pokemon that sticks out like a sore thumb.

This here is taken from the Rain Dance guide that LR made.

Quote:

Scizor - Scizor is an excellent supporting Pokémon on rain teams. Auto-weather inducers are the bane of rain teams, and Scizor can deal with Tyranitar and Abomasnow with ease using its powerful Bullet Punch. Also, its excellent defenses and typing can be built upon, allowing it to take out many other threats to rain teams such as Celebi, Blissey, Vaporeon and Hippowdon.

Ludicolo can't do any of that. It just builds upon the fact that Tyranitar and Dragons can completely trample this team after rain is gone.

Growlachu · Jun 8th, 2009, 12:22:20 AM

Plus. Just a question. Where is this rain dance guide?

Umbreon Dan · Jun 8th, 2009, 1:20:45 AM

http://www.smogon.com/dp/articles/rain_offense

Team looks good enough to me, but I think you should consider Rain Dance on that Electric/Dragon you got there.

On second thought, I have to ask why you're using Bronzong over Azelf as a suicide lead, and why you gave it 128 Attack EVs.

aXl · Jun 8th, 2009, 8:08:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Umbreon Dan

http://www.smogon.com/dp/articles/rain_offense

Team looks good enough to me, but I think you should consider Rain Dance on that Electric/Dragon you got there.

Aren't three Damp Rocks enough on a team?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Umbreon Dan

On second thought, I have to ask why you're using Bronzong over Azelf as a suicide lead, and why you gave it 128 Attack EVs.

Well, I was guessing the EVs were for a bigger boom with Explosion.

Joatmon · Jun 8th, 2009, 9:07:54 PM

Just a quick tidbit, 128 EVs guarentees KOs on Blissey, Snorlax, and some other pokemon I am forget, heh.

And Rain Dance on Cyclohm isn't THAT bad of an idea. I hardly find myself using Slack Off anyways, so it may be something to at the very least test out.

Edit, erm, interesting first post, Blog, but how is that relevant?

Drybones · Jun 9th, 2009, 4:50:26 AM

I also run SD Kabutops on my rain teams, albeit with mystic water attached. Same set and everything... a +1 rock slide w/o LO still ohkos gyara.

Arghonaut will cause problems for some important members of your team, any set with recover will be able to switch it and waste your turns of rain. Ohm is a good new counter for him but it could still get dicey. I might recommend swords dance on qwilfish as well, not to turn him into a sweeper but to lure in stuff like argho and vaporeon so you can explode on them (watch out for protect.)

Also, an opposing kingdra that comes in and dragon dances on one of your switches OHKOs everyone. (Not actually sure about that but no one can really switch in.) As always your best bet is to force it to outrage and go to sciz or zong and hopr for the best, but I might recommend changing sciz to CB with quick attack just to deal with foe swift swimmers.

Otherwise looking good, I might start using ohm on my rain teams.

**Stellar** · Jun 10th, 2009, 2:04:29 AM

Because the majority of your team is very offensive and you seem to want to set up Rain Dance with Scizor as a secondary, I would possibly switch Scizor to the following set.

Scizor (M) @ Damp Rock
Ability: Technician
EVs: 176 HP/100 Atk/56 Spd/176 SDef
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Bullet Punch
- U-turn / Brick Break
- Rain Dance
- Roost

It still sets up Rain Dance but has increased durability. The EVs are simply the defensive EVs listed under the "It's a trap!" set in the current Scizor analysis.

I would also suggest Draco Meteor over Dragon Pulse on Cyclohm. I've never been able to keep Cyclohm in play enough to "sweep" and it has been more of a hit-and-run Pokemon for me, so I'm assuming it has been the same case with you. Draco Meteor fits this type of play better.

porky · Jun 19th, 2009, 5:24:08 AM

Draco meteor probably is not the best option. STAB thunder in the rain, and once rain runs out a reliable STAB move with perfect accuracy and no drawbacks is quite useful. I probably wouldn't reccomend draco meteo.

iss · Jun 19th, 2009, 8:53:31 PM

Draco Meteor does massive damage to anything not named Blissey. It is much stronger when it is outside of rain (so after rain runs out, they switch to something like Latias, expecting rain dance, only to be met by dm.)

Jun 6th, 2009, 8:39:38 PM	#2
Plus EAT A DICK Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 956 New Jersey	As a Bronzong such as yours usually sets up Rain, gets whatever it can up and dies a bit quick, you really have to watch out for dragons after your rain is gone. Your team is too slow without the rain that a regular 252 speed Cyclohm can walk all over you after the rain stops. Ambipom doesn't get a lot of breaks either in setting up rain, as it has pretty bad typing. Use a Scizor for Bullet Punch and Rain Dance, which will help your team take out threats that did not die during rain yet are severely crippled, as well as get a more reliable user of Rain Dance. __________________

Jun 6th, 2009, 10:37:27 PM	#3
Joatmon Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 143	I spoke to you in PM about this team, mainly concerning Kingdra, ambipom, and Kabutops, but I have one more suggestion. Consider running a bit more speed on Kabutops, say, 204 speed EVs. This allows you to outspeed Jolly Tyranitar and slower Heatran, as well as beating out Scarfed + nature base 100s in rain. 20 HP Evs doesn't make that much of a difference on Kabutops anyways, from my own experience. __________________ I will be gone until the weekend. If need to contact me, PM me and I will get back to you asap.

Jun 6th, 2009, 11:54:40 PM	#6
Joatmon Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 143	Don't bother with max speed. All you fail to outspeed with 204 speed evs in rain are Scarf Weavile and Dugtrio, who die to Aqua Jet, Scarf Timid Gengar/Azelf, of which the former is defeated by aqua jet and the latter is nonexistant, and Scarf Aerodactyl, which is NEVER seen. __________________ I will be gone until the weekend. If need to contact me, PM me and I will get back to you asap.

Jun 7th, 2009, 4:02:38 AM	#10
Not Scicky Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,311 Bland Juicer	Yeah, and then becomes what is basically a wasted move slot after rain runs out =/ Not worth it IMO __________________ And I was gone.

Jun 7th, 2009, 12:03:00 PM	#12
Wobby Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 82 wherever your boy is at	Please tell me you don't really mean to use Scizor to setup Rain Dance! Scizor is being wasted here by throwing Damp Rock on it and wasting a move slot that is better suited for a different pokemon. Please change it to hold a Life Orb and replace Rain Dance with either Roost or X-Scissor. __________________ Dying is an art, like everything else. I do it exceptionally well. I do it so it feels like hell. I do it so it feels real. I guess you could say I've a call.

Jun 6th, 2009, 11:09:11 PM	#4
Aerodactyl Legend Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 985 Is inside an enemy AC130 above.	Even with Waterfall, Tops works best with Aqua Jet as well. It beats the faster scarfers and beats other priority Pokes. And give it max Speed.

Jun 6th, 2009, 11:29:48 PM	#5
Growlachu Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 36 In the year 2098	Thanks so much guys. Did a couple edits. Joat I will look into the PM tips later.

Jun 7th, 2009, 2:35:59 AM	#8
Growlachu Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 36 In the year 2098	Made a couple move edits. Credit to Joatmon for the ideas.

Jun 7th, 2009, 3:09:41 AM	#9
Son_of_Shadoo Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,863 Northern Ireland	Weather Ball might be worth consideration on Cyclohm, since it is slightly more powerful than Surf in the rain.

Jun 7th, 2009, 11:02:20 AM	#11
Growlachu Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 36 In the year 2098	Yeah, I have to agree with Atryoki. I put Cyclohm as my first pokemon in the team and then built around him. So he is good with and without rain.

Jun 7th, 2009, 12:18:21 PM	#13
Growlachu Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 36 In the year 2098	Sorry Wobby, but that's the point of Scizor. He sets up rain dance but manages to do some major damage on Blissey, and others, while staying strong to Salamence and the likes.

Jun 7th, 2009, 3:07:33 PM	#14
Objection Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 5,157 Kingdom of the Pedants, of which I am the king.	Ludicolo can do all of that with Rain Dance/Surf/Ice Beam/Leech Seed. __________________ <dogfish44> I got a suprise KFC ^.^ <Glacier> kinky fat chick? ASB profile, ASB pokemon, arena collection, unwritten ASB rulings (collected by Dogfish44), in-game effect order, and new CAP sprites

Jun 7th, 2009, 3:28:42 PM	#15
Growlachu Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 36 In the year 2098	Hmm. I might look into that. Thanks Objection!

Jun 8th, 2009, 12:22:20 AM	#17
Growlachu Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 36 In the year 2098	Plus. Just a question. Where is this rain dance guide?

Jun 8th, 2009, 1:20:45 AM	#18
Umbreon Dan Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 3,188 kiss my ass, this is a holy site.	http://www.smogon.com/dp/articles/rain_offense Team looks good enough to me, but I think you should consider Rain Dance on that Electric/Dragon you got there. On second thought, I have to ask why you're using Bronzong over Azelf as a suicide lead, and why you gave it 128 Attack EVs. __________________ 9.9 dan likes to ramble <@Fatecrashers> im really gay <@Fatecrashers> and i might fart rainbows Last edited by Umbreon Dan; Jun 8th, 2009 at 1:26:47 AM.

Jun 8th, 2009, 9:07:54 PM	#20
Joatmon Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 143	Just a quick tidbit, 128 EVs guarentees KOs on Blissey, Snorlax, and some other pokemon I am forget, heh. And Rain Dance on Cyclohm isn't THAT bad of an idea. I hardly find myself using Slack Off anyways, so it may be something to at the very least test out. Edit, erm, interesting first post, Blog, but how is that relevant? __________________ I will be gone until the weekend. If need to contact me, PM me and I will get back to you asap. Last edited by Joatmon; Jun 9th, 2009 at 12:08:13 AM.

Jun 9th, 2009, 4:50:26 AM	#21
Drybones Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 111	I also run SD Kabutops on my rain teams, albeit with mystic water attached. Same set and everything... a +1 rock slide w/o LO still ohkos gyara. Arghonaut will cause problems for some important members of your team, any set with recover will be able to switch it and waste your turns of rain. Ohm is a good new counter for him but it could still get dicey. I might recommend swords dance on qwilfish as well, not to turn him into a sweeper but to lure in stuff like argho and vaporeon so you can explode on them (watch out for protect.) Also, an opposing kingdra that comes in and dragon dances on one of your switches OHKOs everyone. (Not actually sure about that but no one can really switch in.) As always your best bet is to force it to outrage and go to sciz or zong and hopr for the best, but I might recommend changing sciz to CB with quick attack just to deal with foe swift swimmers. Otherwise looking good, I might start using ohm on my rain teams. __________________ If ignorance is bliss, then knock the smile off my face.

Jun 10th, 2009, 2:04:29 AM	#22
Stellar Moderator Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 2,280	Because the majority of your team is very offensive and you seem to want to set up Rain Dance with Scizor as a secondary, I would possibly switch Scizor to the following set. Scizor (M) @ Damp Rock Ability: Technician EVs: 176 HP/100 Atk/56 Spd/176 SDef Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk) - Bullet Punch - U-turn / Brick Break - Rain Dance - Roost It still sets up Rain Dance but has increased durability. The EVs are simply the defensive EVs listed under the "It's a trap!" set in the current Scizor analysis. I would also suggest Draco Meteor over Dragon Pulse on Cyclohm. I've never been able to keep Cyclohm in play enough to "sweep" and it has been more of a hit-and-run Pokemon for me, so I'm assuming it has been the same case with you. Draco Meteor fits this type of play better.

Jun 19th, 2009, 5:24:08 AM	#23
porky Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,523 Lut Gholein	Draco meteor probably is not the best option. STAB thunder in the rain, and once rain runs out a reliable STAB move with perfect accuracy and no drawbacks is quite useful. I probably wouldn't reccomend draco meteo. __________________ try and be a cynic for once.

Jun 19th, 2009, 8:53:31 PM	#24
iss report this bug Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 2,022 sirndpt <3	Draco Meteor does massive damage to anything not named Blissey. It is much stronger when it is outside of rain (so after rain runs out, they switch to something like Latias, expecting rain dance, only to be met by dm.)