Ask A Little Question, Get A Little Answer (Mark 1) - Page 6

Sceats · Feb 25th, 2010, 4:26:02 AM

Well if you hop onto #littlecup or the cap server on shoddy then you should normally see people willing to help you out.

mrguy888 · Mar 1st, 2010, 11:09:16 AM

How does one deal with Aron other than Croagunk who is destroyed by Wynaut?

Ramblin Wreck · Mar 1st, 2010, 11:12:26 AM

Gengar's analysis says "Sludge Bomb was left out of the main sets, as it offers rather poor type coverage despite being Gengar’s most powerful attack."

What makes Sludge Bomb a solid choice for Gastly in LC?

Dubulous · Mar 1st, 2010, 11:21:12 AM

Steels are not nearly as prevalent in Little Cup; the only two that see solid usage are Bronzor and Aron. Additionally, at Level 5 attacks hit harder than they do at Level 100 (as you can see here) so even a resisted Sludge Bomb will do a bunch of damage.

Heysup · Mar 1st, 2010, 12:51:11 PM

Additionally, since Gastly's only other option against Normal is Hidden Power Fighting, which has a Base Power of 140, Sludge Bomb makes a superior option with a Base Power of 135 with the 30% chance to poison and better spread damage.

Ramblin Wreck · Mar 1st, 2010, 6:22:27 PM

Thanks! I've gotten tired of OU battles (thank God Gen V is coming to shake things up), so I've been looking into UU and LC a lot on-site.

Is there a list of analyses that are currently on-site? I found a bunch of them by going through the list of allowed Pokémon in the "Little Cup, Big World" article, but that was pretty tedious.

Heysup · Mar 1st, 2010, 7:12:30 PM

Yea there are, unfortunately it's a huge pain the ass to search for LC Pokemon. The best way would be to look at the Archive and search "LC" or something, or simply looking at the index (but this means that you risk of the index not being completely up-to-date). Also, there are many "almost finished" analyses in the C&C LC Subforum. The sets on them these analyses are usually fine, and it's just the writing that is being worked on.

eric the espeon · Mar 1st, 2010, 7:37:54 PM

The best way is the index of analyses which is in my sig. Pokemon with a written analysis have a link, ones with an on site analysis are in bold.

Ramblin Wreck · Mar 17th, 2010, 9:17:57 PM

What makes Wynaut unbroken in LC as compared to standard?

TPM · Mar 17th, 2010, 11:52:28 PM

The all around (relative) harder hitting nature of LC gives Wynaut less chances to do its thing.

Yadon · Mar 22nd, 2010, 8:24:07 AM

I think this question might be a bit stupid, but I'm curious, please don't laugh at me! :(

If a Pokémon is at level 5, how can it have 510 EVs? Surely you'd need to level up further than 5 to get 510 EVs?

eric the espeon · Mar 22nd, 2010, 10:48:48 AM

It is possible, though not exactly easy. I wrote a detailed guide for LC ev training which can be found here.

askaninjask · Mar 22nd, 2010, 12:19:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Ramblin Wreck

What makes Wynaut unbroken in LC as compared to standard?

Most of the top offensive threats can 2HKO or even OHKO Wynaut (I'm thinking Gligar, Gastly, Taillow, Aron, even Shadow Ball/Dark Pulse Croagunk). That doesn't mean Wynaut is bad by any means, it's just that it's usually going to get one kill per match if it's played correctly (which is true for basically all of LC OU).

Yadon · Mar 23rd, 2010, 12:45:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat eric the espeon

It is possible, though not exactly easy. I wrote a detailed guide for LC ev training which can be found here.

Wow, that's very interesting :0
Thank you very much! It's a really handy guide ^_^
I'll be using it in the future, thank you!

Alan · Mar 23rd, 2010, 3:29:11 PM

Besides pokemon being level 5, and the use of berries, what are some big difference between LC and standard battles?

Sledge · Mar 23rd, 2010, 4:50:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Jewgong

Besides pokemon being level 5, and the use of berries, what are some big difference between LC and standard battles?

LC battles tend to be much more fast-paced and more offensive than OU battles, due to everything hitting much harder at level 5 than level 100.

TPM · Mar 23rd, 2010, 8:57:40 PM

Adding on to what Sledge said; the harder hitting and speed makes priority much more prominent because it does higher relative damage and is in general much more useful because of how important speed is. Seeing people with 3 Pokemon that use priority moves is not uncommon.

Alan · Mar 24th, 2010, 8:46:52 PM

Not really a question, more of a statement, on http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/dratini

the mixed priority sweeper has 512 EVs.

Sledge · Mar 24th, 2010, 9:18:48 PM

I see 244+116+116=476. I think you may have added incorrectly.

Alan · Mar 24th, 2010, 9:35:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Sledge

I see 244+116+116=476. I think you may have added incorrectly.

Oh shit, I was looking at it and the CB set. thanks.

supermarth64 · Mar 24th, 2010, 10:30:47 PM

Actually I sneakily fixed the EVs when you guys weren't looking.

Cerivious · Mar 25th, 2010, 4:54:58 AM

Not a LC player here, but just curious, why isn't Riolu used more often?

Compared to Croagunk, Riolu has 70 base Atk instead of 60, 60 base Spd instead of 50. A slightly worse trait in terms of the ability to switch in, but Riolu reaches 44 attack with LO SD and has Cross Chop/Ice Punch/Quick Attack/Crunch to back it up. Why doesn't it see more use?

askaninjask · Mar 25th, 2010, 8:01:03 AM

Actually, Croagunk is generally used more as either a mixed attacker or a special attacker than a physical attacker! Riolu's niche is completely different from Croagunk's. Croagunk also gets Sucker Punch which makes ghost-types a whole lot easier to deal with. Croagunk uses so many priority attacks that it really doesn't matter at all what its speed is.

Riolu's niche also happens to be the same niche as Machop or Mankey, but with a worse ability and worse attacking stats.

**Seven Deadly Sins** · Mar 25th, 2010, 4:38:21 PM

Don't forget worse movepool! Machop has 100% accurate Dynamicpunch and the E-punches, while Mankey has Close Combat and the E-punches, as well as U-turn.

Riolu is locked to the terrible Hi Jump Kick or Brick Break, which really hurts it.

Banryu · Mar 25th, 2010, 8:18:13 PM

Alright, I got one...

When do the Little Cup analyses get added to the main analysis index on the Smogon homepagepage? Also, when is an analysis considered to be ready to add?

Also, how can I connect to #littlecup or whatever the IRC server is called? -___-' I've tried to find it a couple times after hearing about it so much and can't find it.

...okay, I lied... several questions. Whatever.

Mar 1st, 2010, 11:21:12 AM	#129
Dubulous raidical Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,109 Life on the outside ain't what it used to be.	Steels are not nearly as prevalent in Little Cup; the only two that see solid usage are Bronzor and Aron. Additionally, at Level 5 attacks hit harder than they do at Level 100 (as you can see here) so even a resisted Sludge Bomb will do a bunch of damage. __________________ And today will be better than yesterday.

Mar 1st, 2010, 12:51:11 PM	#130
Heysup GO JETS GO Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 5,090 CanaJew	Additionally, since Gastly's only other option against Normal is Hidden Power Fighting, which has a Base Power of 140, Sludge Bomb makes a superior option with a Base Power of 135 with the 30% chance to poison and better spread damage. __________________ f u, v

Mar 1st, 2010, 7:12:30 PM	#132
Heysup GO JETS GO Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 5,090 CanaJew	Yea there are, unfortunately it's a huge pain the ass to search for LC Pokemon. The best way would be to look at the Archive and search "LC" or something, or simply looking at the index (but this means that you risk of the index not being completely up-to-date). Also, there are many "almost finished" analyses in the C&C LC Subforum. The sets on them these analyses are usually fine, and it's just the writing that is being worked on. __________________ f u, v Last edited by Heysup; Mar 1st, 2010 at 7:43:07 PM.

Mar 1st, 2010, 7:37:54 PM	#133
eric the espeon maybe I just misunderstood Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 3,695	The best way is the index of analyses which is in my sig. Pokemon with a written analysis have a link, ones with an on site analysis are in bold. __________________ For people who like storing things: The Box Reading and LC? LCF, LC Guide, LC Analyses Good channels: #littlecup, #C&C, #1v1, others And for SCMS editors: SCMS group ete on IRC. Goodbye Smogon. Good luck, was fun while it lasted.

Mar 17th, 2010, 11:52:28 PM	#135
TPM Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 472 Soemwhere north of the states	The all around (relative) harder hitting nature of LC gives Wynaut less chances to do its thing. __________________ This Sunkern is just one of Macle's amazing pieces of art. http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/391/modabuse2.png hrm...

Feb 25th, 2010, 4:26:02 AM	#126
Sceats Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 561	Well if you hop onto #littlecup or the cap server on shoddy then you should normally see people willing to help you out.

Mar 1st, 2010, 11:09:16 AM	#127
mrguy888 Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 54	How does one deal with Aron other than Croagunk who is destroyed by Wynaut?

Mar 1st, 2010, 11:12:26 AM	#128
Ramblin Wreck Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 2,123 RW's avatar > James Cameron's Avatar	Gengar's analysis says "Sludge Bomb was left out of the main sets, as it offers rather poor type coverage despite being Gengar’s most powerful attack." What makes Sludge Bomb a solid choice for Gastly in LC?

Mar 1st, 2010, 6:22:27 PM	#131
Ramblin Wreck Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 2,123 RW's avatar > James Cameron's Avatar	Thanks! I've gotten tired of OU battles (thank God Gen V is coming to shake things up), so I've been looking into UU and LC a lot on-site. Is there a list of analyses that are currently on-site? I found a bunch of them by going through the list of allowed Pokémon in the "Little Cup, Big World" article, but that was pretty tedious.

Mar 22nd, 2010, 8:24:07 AM	#136
Yadon Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 17	I think this question might be a bit stupid, but I'm curious, please don't laugh at me! :( If a Pokémon is at level 5, how can it have 510 EVs? Surely you'd need to level up further than 5 to get 510 EVs? __________________ "I did my best, I have no regrets!" -Anonymous Trainer, Nugget Bridge

Mar 22nd, 2010, 10:48:48 AM	#137
eric the espeon maybe I just misunderstood Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 3,695	It is possible, though not exactly easy. I wrote a detailed guide for LC ev training which can be found here. __________________ For people who like storing things: The Box Reading and LC? LCF, LC Guide, LC Analyses Good channels: #littlecup, #C&C, #1v1, others And for SCMS editors: SCMS group ete on IRC. Goodbye Smogon. Good luck, was fun while it lasted.

Mar 23rd, 2010, 3:29:11 PM	#140
Alan Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 2,715 get the reptile to me	Besides pokemon being level 5, and the use of berries, what are some big difference between LC and standard battles? __________________ music youtube Lorem ipsum id est oculis

Mar 23rd, 2010, 8:57:40 PM	#142
TPM Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 472 Soemwhere north of the states	Adding on to what Sledge said; the harder hitting and speed makes priority much more prominent because it does higher relative damage and is in general much more useful because of how important speed is. Seeing people with 3 Pokemon that use priority moves is not uncommon. __________________ This Sunkern is just one of Macle's amazing pieces of art. http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/391/modabuse2.png hrm...

Mar 24th, 2010, 8:46:52 PM	#143
Alan Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 2,715 get the reptile to me	Not really a question, more of a statement, on http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/dratini the mixed priority sweeper has 512 EVs. __________________ music youtube Lorem ipsum id est oculis

Mar 24th, 2010, 9:18:48 PM	#144
Sledge Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 330	I see 244+116+116=476. I think you may have added incorrectly.

Mar 25th, 2010, 4:54:58 AM	#147
Cerivious Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 751	Not a LC player here, but just curious, why isn't Riolu used more often? Compared to Croagunk, Riolu has 70 base Atk instead of 60, 60 base Spd instead of 50. A slightly worse trait in terms of the ability to switch in, but Riolu reaches 44 attack with LO SD and has Cross Chop/Ice Punch/Quick Attack/Crunch to back it up. Why doesn't it see more use?

Mar 25th, 2010, 8:01:03 AM	#148
askaninjask Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,145 na na la la la hey hey doot do	Actually, Croagunk is generally used more as either a mixed attacker or a special attacker than a physical attacker! Riolu's niche is completely different from Croagunk's. Croagunk also gets Sucker Punch which makes ghost-types a whole lot easier to deal with. Croagunk uses so many priority attacks that it really doesn't matter at all what its speed is. Riolu's niche also happens to be the same niche as Machop or Mankey, but with a worse ability and worse attacking stats. __________________ two antennae get married on top of a roof the ceremony wasn't much, but the reception was excellent

Mar 25th, 2010, 4:38:21 PM	#149
Seven Deadly Sins :D Moderator Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 4,175	Don't forget worse movepool! Machop has 100% accurate Dynamicpunch and the E-punches, while Mankey has Close Combat and the E-punches, as well as U-turn. Riolu is locked to the terrible Hi Jump Kick or Brick Break, which really hurts it. __________________

Mar 25th, 2010, 8:18:13 PM	#150
Banryu Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,506	Alright, I got one... When do the Little Cup analyses get added to the main analysis index on the Smogon homepagepage? Also, when is an analysis considered to be ready to add? Also, how can I connect to #littlecup or whatever the IRC server is called? -___-' I've tried to find it a couple times after hearing about it so much and can't find it. ...okay, I lied... several questions. Whatever.