Best In-Game NPC

B. [R] · Jan 1st, 2010, 3:57:44 PM

Looking back at the history of the pokemon carts. Who do you think was overall the most hardest, and or symbolic NPC? My vote goes for Red, the original protagonist. Overall he wasn't hard at all considering that I beat him with mid 40's level pokemon in G/S/C. Although symbolism wise, he represent the first, true in-game boss. The true champion, the man who stands above all as the strongest... with a lv. 81/88 Pikachu. If you look at his team, it consists of pokemon that you would get from events occurring in Pokemon Yellow in both G/S/C and HG/SS. Pikachu as his starter, Charizard, Blastoise, and Venusaur were gotten in game. Lax is obvious, two blocked the path to cycling road, and Lavender/Fuchsia. And Espeon from the eevee that he would recieve in Celedon, and the Lapras he recieved from Silph co. in HG/SS. Pearl and Steve are close seconds, but in my opinion, Red will always stand above them all. Also, please don't penalize me as this did not really apply to any generation, because there isn't a forum for general pokemon discussion that is not relevant to any specific gen.

cantab · Jan 1st, 2010, 4:12:51 PM

Giovanni. The big boss behind a massive organised crime syndicate. Quite early on you encounter Team Rocket, and RBY's subplot revolves around combating them. You hear things of 'the boss', and then finally you meet him, and defeat him. Then you do so again in Silph Co. You'd think that's the end of him, but no, in a shock twist he turns out to be the Viridian City Gym Leader!

Running him second would have to be Cyrus. Probably has one of the strongest characterisations in the whole series. Sure, there's nothing particularly original about an emotionless villain with a traumatic childhood, but then there's nothing particularly original about most villains. I love the way the game gives you bits of information and references about him. Like even long after he's defeated, you meet his grandfather on Route 228.

swatkins44 · Jan 1st, 2010, 8:40:34 PM

its gotta be blue. the guy who is always ahead of you no matter how hard you try. It feels as if you may not become the pokemon master you had dreamed to be. but you keep going. make it to the elite for and lo and behold you beat them! you are the master. but wait, there is blue yet again. he had beaten you to the punch and is the pokemon master. only after you beat him will you become the greatest ever, and the final boss in GSC.

Noimus · Jan 2nd, 2010, 7:47:25 PM

Red all the way. It was the hardest battle I have ever faced. Level 80 teams where crazy. I was working hard to train them!

Also Whitney was a pain with her stupid Miltank lol

Rikter · Jan 2nd, 2010, 9:28:50 PM

The old man who wanted his cofee. He helped user in a long history of exploiting glitches in pokemon.

tanqq · Jan 3rd, 2010, 8:11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Noimus

Red all the way. It was the hardest battle I have ever faced. Level 80 teams where crazy. I was working hard to train them!

Also Whitney was a pain with her stupid Miltank lol

agreed. Miltank took my whole team down with just rollout and milk drink. I had to get myself an onix and spam screech,tail whip and growl on it then go for the swoop with my lvl20+ croconaw.

Yeah red. I was surprised when his team consists of lvl80+ whilst mine were only lvl60+. I had to go through the elite four 10+ times to get my pokemon to be high enough lvl to beat it.

zarator · Jan 3rd, 2010, 8:54:06 AM

I'm surprised no one said Lance. Back in the old RBY, Lance battle was the only one, among the Elite Four, to feature the GYM Battle music. Again, you find him as the champion in GSC. He is the epitome of the legendary trainer, with his red cloak and noble aspect, and no other final Elite Four - be it Karen, Drake or Lucian - ever grasped the pathos of that fight. "Your challenge to the Elite Four ends with me, Red!". This is what a true leader of the Elite Four is about!

coolking49 · Jan 3rd, 2010, 8:59:45 AM

Actually, Red wasnt that hard for me. I had a level 88 typhlosion, a level 50 snorlax, and a bunch of pokemon I had caught just outside the cave. But steven was easy too, as i only found him after I had a level 100 swmpert and requaza. Cynthia is tough on your first playthrough, and in leaf green I had to train sooooo much with 99 revives to beat my rival, while the hoenn and jhoto champs arent too hard. I go with Kanto rival as it took a million tries to beat him, while cynthia I was ready played smartly with 99 revives AND 99 hyper potions.

bearsfan092 · Jan 3rd, 2010, 10:39:03 AM

I like shorts they are comfy and easy to wear.

Nuff said.

Acritter · Jan 5th, 2010, 4:22:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat towriss

Wally is the most symbolic to me. As far as the series itself goes, Wally portrays that message that you never stop growing as a trainer. He also provides a great challenge, using a well balanced team that stay around your level. The big thing is that he grows with you.

Wally was great. He starts out as a minor tutorial for catching Pokemon, cameos in a pitiful battle in front of Mauville Gym, and then suddenly shows up at the end of Victory Road with a shiny new level in badass.

My favorite, though, would be ???. You know, the red-haired guy. Obsessive to an extreme, and believes only in power. Cool character to have around.

Alex Practice · Jan 5th, 2010, 5:00:14 AM

I'd have to say Bill. Dude's legit.

Wikey · Jan 11th, 2010, 12:18:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat bearsfan092

I like shorts they are comfy and easy to wear.

Nuff said.

Man, I clicked the thread because I wanted to say this. :|

SlowbroKing · Jan 11th, 2010, 4:07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat bearsfan092

I like shorts they are comfy and easy to wear.

Nuff said.

^^ This!

KnightoftheWind · Jan 11th, 2010, 5:42:19 AM

Ok, how did you guys forget the last Team Rocket member in GSC? He was absolutely hilarious. Bye-bye-a-go-go!

MegaMewtwo · Jan 11th, 2010, 7:58:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat KnightoftheWind

Ok, how did you guys forget the last Team Rocket member in GSC? He was absolutely hilarious. Bye-bye-a-go-go!

Loved that guy. I remember my sister even named him. Can't remember what though.

Also, I liked one of the Rockets in FR/LG on Mt Ember. "Conveniently develop amnesia and forget what you heard!"

And more support for the shorts kid. Notice in FR/LG his description of shorts changes to "delightfully comfy and easy to wear".

Agaki · Jan 11th, 2010, 8:19:01 AM

The guy who gave you Dream Eater in RB/FRLG was an asshole. He was there but you couldn't get to him until later, and then to be a jerk and to make you realise that going back to get him was a complete waste of time he gave you Dream Eater.

Nida · Jan 11th, 2010, 8:26:47 AM

FRLG Lorelei, with her room full of stuffed animals and her crazed defense of the wild Lapras atop an ice-rimed waterfall. <3

frogbandit · Jan 11th, 2010, 8:37:20 PM

The team Magma guys were pretty funny :)

Cybeny · Jan 21st, 2010, 4:59:00 PM

Some of the rocket members in Leaf/Fire were pretty funny. Like the one that was guarding the poster, or the one that fell asleep while guarding Silph Co.

topah · Jan 23rd, 2010, 10:07:08 PM

The battle tower in pokemon crystal, dang that place was hard, even if you chose level 10 they would have like freaking blissys vs my poor lvl 10 dratini...anyone remember this kind of thing happening to them?

Slyguy46 · Jan 23rd, 2010, 11:50:05 PM

Chuck was freakin' hilarious back in the day: Oh, I'll just crush this boulder, oh wait, that has nothing to do with battling.

Eusine from Crystal was kinda cool, even if his battles were annoying as hell.

Blue was cool, but it's from G/S/C that I remember him the fondest.

And, of course, the Gym Guy.

Vineon · Jan 24th, 2010, 12:19:49 AM

The hardest trainer in the game (RBY), is the raticate trainer right at the exit of Mt Moon.

He waits there with a level 16 Raticate with Hyper Fang thats more than powerful enough to ohko nearly everything in your team, considering you should be leveled around 8-10 at that point.

Everyone else is a joke.

cantab · Jan 24th, 2010, 12:59:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Vineon

The hardest trainer in the game (RBY), is the raticate trainer right at the exit of Mt Moon.

He waits there with a level 16 Raticate with Hyper Fang thats more than powerful enough to ohko nearly everything in your team, considering you should be leveled around 8-10 at that point.

Everyone else is a joke.

Err, what? I don't know how you play RBY, but I'd be a lot higher than that by the end of Mt Moon. More like 12-14 I think. For a Bulbasaur starter you'll want to have reached level 13 for Vine Whip before beating Brock, and for Charmander you're in for a tougher game anyway. I suppose maybe if you had Squirtle and five other Pokemon, and were equally levelling them, you'd be at those low levels - but getting a full team so early isn't the easiest way to beat the game.

Certainly no trainer in Mt Moon has ever given me any trouble.

~~Sprinkles~~ · Jan 24th, 2010, 1:41:27 AM

The hardest thing in the world is Brock with a Charmander. I only use the fire-type starter because they are the best imo. I could beat the whole E4 in GSC with Typhlosion, as well as Red.

cantab · Jan 24th, 2010, 1:48:28 AM

Yeah, I started my recent Silver run with Chikorita...LAME. Probably ended up being the single least useful Poke in my team (even my HM mule Staryu, even prior to its evolution, was more useful).
Of course maybe there's a better moveset than Razor Leaf/Cut/Light Screen/Reflect. But I figured since its offenses are mediocre, and its defenses are moderately good, screens made sense. It can tank pretty well, but everything else I have just does more damage quicker, and I'm not a patient guy.

Jan 1st, 2010, 3:57:44 PM	#1
B. [R] Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 27 The Other World	Best In-Game NPC Looking back at the history of the pokemon carts. Who do you think was overall the most hardest, and or symbolic NPC? My vote goes for Red, the original protagonist. Overall he wasn't hard at all considering that I beat him with mid 40's level pokemon in G/S/C. Although symbolism wise, he represent the first, true in-game boss. The true champion, the man who stands above all as the strongest... with a lv. 81/88 Pikachu. If you look at his team, it consists of pokemon that you would get from events occurring in Pokemon Yellow in both G/S/C and HG/SS. Pikachu as his starter, Charizard, Blastoise, and Venusaur were gotten in game. Lax is obvious, two blocked the path to cycling road, and Lavender/Fuchsia. And Espeon from the eevee that he would recieve in Celedon, and the Lapras he recieved from Silph co. in HG/SS. Pearl and Steve are close seconds, but in my opinion, Red will always stand above them all. Also, please don't penalize me as this did not really apply to any generation, because there isn't a forum for general pokemon discussion that is not relevant to any specific gen. __________________ The One and Only.... B. Rizzo

Jan 1st, 2010, 4:12:51 PM	#2
cantab Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 3,358 England	Giovanni. The big boss behind a massive organised crime syndicate. Quite early on you encounter Team Rocket, and RBY's subplot revolves around combating them. You hear things of 'the boss', and then finally you meet him, and defeat him. Then you do so again in Silph Co. You'd think that's the end of him, but no, in a shock twist he turns out to be the Viridian City Gym Leader! Running him second would have to be Cyrus. Probably has one of the strongest characterisations in the whole series. Sure, there's nothing particularly original about an emotionless villain with a traumatic childhood, but then there's nothing particularly original about most villains. I love the way the game gives you bits of information and references about him. Like even long after he's defeated, you meet his grandfather on Route 228. __________________ "If I may guess, Emboar might be an exception to the norm that the scalding liquid is expelled from the Pokémon's mouth" - Cobraroll, on Emboar learning Scald. "Nothing like a cup of tea to start off the day" - Professor Oak, EP025.

Jan 3rd, 2010, 8:54:06 AM	#7
zarator Don't cry, little one Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 3,449 Italy	I'm surprised no one said Lance. Back in the old RBY, Lance battle was the only one, among the Elite Four, to feature the GYM Battle music. Again, you find him as the champion in GSC. He is the epitome of the legendary trainer, with his red cloak and noble aspect, and no other final Elite Four - be it Karen, Drake or Lucian - ever grasped the pathos of that fight. "Your challenge to the Elite Four ends with me, Red!". This is what a true leader of the Elite Four is about! __________________ http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs71/f/20...st-d3bs11p.png

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Alex Practice Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 686	I'd have to say Bill. Dude's legit. __________________ Mendo's Market Friend Codes: [Diamond 5370-6448-2399] [Platinum 4383-0264-3128]

Jan 1st, 2010, 8:40:34 PM	#3
swatkins44 Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 17	its gotta be blue. the guy who is always ahead of you no matter how hard you try. It feels as if you may not become the pokemon master you had dreamed to be. but you keep going. make it to the elite for and lo and behold you beat them! you are the master. but wait, there is blue yet again. he had beaten you to the punch and is the pokemon master. only after you beat him will you become the greatest ever, and the final boss in GSC.

Jan 2nd, 2010, 7:47:25 PM	#4
Noimus Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 16	Red all the way. It was the hardest battle I have ever faced. Level 80 teams where crazy. I was working hard to train them! Also Whitney was a pain with her stupid Miltank lol

Jan 3rd, 2010, 8:59:45 AM	#8
coolking49 Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,699 India	Actually, Red wasnt that hard for me. I had a level 88 typhlosion, a level 50 snorlax, and a bunch of pokemon I had caught just outside the cave. But steven was easy too, as i only found him after I had a level 100 swmpert and requaza. Cynthia is tough on your first playthrough, and in leaf green I had to train sooooo much with 99 revives to beat my rival, while the hoenn and jhoto champs arent too hard. I go with Kanto rival as it took a million tries to beat him, while cynthia I was ready played smartly with 99 revives AND 99 hyper potions.

Jan 11th, 2010, 5:42:19 AM	#14
KnightoftheWind Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 2,063 Way past cool	Ok, how did you guys forget the last Team Rocket member in GSC? He was absolutely hilarious. Bye-bye-a-go-go! __________________ To live a life of power, you must have faith that what you believe is right, even if others tell you you're wrong. The first thing you must do to live a life of power is to find courage. You must be ready to reach beyond the boundaries of Time itself. And to do that, all you need is the will to take that first step....

Jan 11th, 2010, 8:19:01 AM	#16
Agaki Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 201 Sydney, Australia	The guy who gave you Dream Eater in RB/FRLG was an asshole. He was there but you couldn't get to him until later, and then to be a jerk and to make you realise that going back to get him was a complete waste of time he gave you Dream Eater. __________________ (b^_~)b

Jan 11th, 2010, 8:26:47 AM	#17
Nida Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 135 get yourself an egg and beat it	FRLG Lorelei, with her room full of stuffed animals and her crazed defense of the wild Lapras atop an ice-rimed waterfall. <3 __________________ Tentacruel is soooo smexy. <3 SoulSilver: 1462-8767-8804

Jan 11th, 2010, 8:37:20 PM	#18
frogbandit Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 777 i'm a zit. get it?	The team Magma guys were pretty funny :)

Jan 21st, 2010, 4:59:00 PM	#19
Cybeny Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 17	Some of the rocket members in Leaf/Fire were pretty funny. Like the one that was guarding the poster, or the one that fell asleep while guarding Silph Co.

Jan 23rd, 2010, 10:07:08 PM	#20
topah Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 22	The battle tower in pokemon crystal, dang that place was hard, even if you chose level 10 they would have like freaking blissys vs my poor lvl 10 dratini...anyone remember this kind of thing happening to them?

Jan 24th, 2010, 12:19:49 AM	#22
Vineon Fleurdelysé Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 3,668 République du Québec	The hardest trainer in the game (RBY), is the raticate trainer right at the exit of Mt Moon. He waits there with a level 16 Raticate with Hyper Fang thats more than powerful enough to ohko nearly everything in your team, considering you should be leveled around 8-10 at that point. Everyone else is a joke. __________________

Jan 24th, 2010, 1:41:27 AM	#24
~~Sprinkles~~ Banned deucer. Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 987 #stark	The hardest thing in the world is Brock with a Charmander. I only use the fire-type starter because they are the best imo. I could beat the whole E4 in GSC with Typhlosion, as well as Red.

Jan 24th, 2010, 1:48:28 AM	#25
cantab Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 3,358 England	Yeah, I started my recent Silver run with Chikorita...LAME. Probably ended up being the single least useful Poke in my team (even my HM mule Staryu, even prior to its evolution, was more useful). Of course maybe there's a better moveset than Razor Leaf/Cut/Light Screen/Reflect. But I figured since its offenses are mediocre, and its defenses are moderately good, screens made sense. It can tank pretty well, but everything else I have just does more damage quicker, and I'm not a patient guy. __________________ "If I may guess, Emboar might be an exception to the norm that the scalding liquid is expelled from the Pokémon's mouth" - Cobraroll, on Emboar learning Scald. "Nothing like a cup of tea to start off the day" - Professor Oak, EP025.