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Quaily · Feb 3rd, 2010, 4:33:32 PM

I'm aware. I messed around with specs latias last month and she 2hkos scizor, metagross, and tyranitar with surf. The best way around is sticking a scarf on tyranitar, not picking a less used poke because none of them really have the power to stop her(bulky waters can switch into surf, okay. but how do they ko latias? they can't.)

Cuiv · Feb 3rd, 2010, 4:37:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat LoveDestiny

This is the resulting product of ~~Latias~~ Blissey centralizing the game

FTFY.

Although, to be fair, without Blissey Latias would also be broken.

**TheMantyke** · Feb 3rd, 2010, 4:42:13 PM

Thanks for the stats Doug.

Quote:

| 81 | Venusaur | 10108 | 1.34 | | 81 | Venusaur | 95 | 0.39 | |

This is without a doubt the most shocking change in both the OU and Uber environment.

Quaily · Feb 3rd, 2010, 4:43:32 PM

Switching blissey into latias a lot is going to end up with a scarf/specs blissey, unless it's the sub/cm latias which can still beat the standard 252 def bold blissey.

Bad Ass · Feb 3rd, 2010, 4:44:31 PM

anyone else notice how lo starmie can deal, at the very least, 60% to every pokemon above it? It lands 6 ohkoes, and 7 2hkoes. The only thing that can actually take 2 hydro pumps, bar some weird set, is latias. Latias takes about 65% from a life orbed ice beam, which equates to a 2hko after sr and a hydro pump. Use lo starmie more.

VirtualKaraokeCircusAct · Feb 3rd, 2010, 4:52:55 PM

Surprised to see mewtwo and tyranitar at number one. Thanks doug.

cmurph · Feb 3rd, 2010, 4:53:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Quaily

Switching blissey into latias a lot is going to end up with a scarf/specs blissey, unless it's the sub/cm latias which can still beat the standard 252 def bold blissey.

blissey still beats all LO latias and the large majority of CM latias, not to mention choiced latias once its already used trick

The Pokemon Pimp · Feb 3rd, 2010, 5:00:39 PM

Thanks for the list, Doug!

Pretty cool, but I sort of hope Heracross jumps into UU soon...it'd be fun to use him down there.

***Haunter***** · Feb 3rd, 2010, 5:03:19 PM

Scarf-TTar checks a lot of threats, not only Latias. Being able to check Gengar, Starmie, Rotom and revenge killing almost everything below 360 Spe is a good reason alone to consider scarf-TTar. Having a good switch into Latias is just an added bonus.

As always, thank you very much Doug.

SHUCKLE MAN · Feb 3rd, 2010, 5:10:59 PM

It's nice to see a bit more fluctuation in OU. I remember last month there wasn't very much.

Delta 2777 · Feb 3rd, 2010, 5:19:51 PM

In terms of interesting leads in OU:

| 9 | Tyranitar | 22310 | 2.97 |
| 10 | Gliscor | 22154 | 2.95 |
| 11 | Ninjask | 20205 | 2.69 |
| 14 | Uxie | 15985 | 2.13 |
| 17 | Crobat | 12918 | 1.72 |

Tyranitar's new lead set is seeing some use. People finally see Gliscor's potential as a lead, despite that it can be setup bait for Salamence. People continue to use Ninjask (even though I never see it). Duel Screen/TrickScarf Uxie sees some love, and lastly Crobat sees enough usage to get bye.

Other notable OU stuff:

| Tyranitar | Item | Choice Scarf | 22.7 |
^^ No surprise there.
| 6 | Gyarados | 140890 | 18.75 |
^^ Used to be #2 iirc? Stealth Rock just continues to be a dominating force.
| 9 | Gengar | 110599 | 14.72 |
^^ Gengar is gaining popularity (along with Starmie, which is odd considering the increase in ScarfTar).

Rotom-A and Latias obviously went down due to ScarfTar (which brings the question to mind, who really popularized this "new set"? (I say new because it has been used before, but never this much)).

Thanks Doug.

Megan_Fox · Feb 3rd, 2010, 5:20:42 PM

Blue_Tornado · Feb 3rd, 2010, 5:30:04 PM

so... that's why I've been seeing so much Scarf Tar.

I've been waiting for these, good work!

Lord Blood · Feb 3rd, 2010, 5:33:18 PM

Uxie # 14 for OU leads scares me. However love the rise of Metagross leads. Thanks Doug!

Ciele · Feb 3rd, 2010, 5:39:45 PM

Tyranitar at #2? It was always coming. I also think that it's no coincidence that with T-tar's rise, there has also been a rise in Swampert's usage, and a drop for both Rotom-A and Latias. It just shows that it only takes one Pokemon's usage to rise to change the top 10 quite considerably.

Parasol_Kirby · Feb 3rd, 2010, 5:44:23 PM

I'm shocked at Ho-oh's drop in usage. Was its rise to fame that easily destroyed by HP Fire Giratina? Now I'm second guessing my choice to get HG over SS, lol

**Taylor** · Feb 3rd, 2010, 6:15:25 PM

appreciate the effort for providing us with these statistics doug

i think its time we lead with starmie more often!

EpicTurtle · Feb 3rd, 2010, 6:29:55 PM

1 | Froslass | 16316 | 12.56 |
2 | Uxie | 13869 | 10.67 |
3 | Ambipom | 11551 | 8.89 |
4 | Moltres | 3839 | 2.95 |

Wow people must only use like the same 3 leads or somethings since that jump is huge.

Flamewheeler · Feb 3rd, 2010, 6:32:47 PM

Oh emm gee! It's so shocking that all the suspects made the top 10(6). -.-

Also, wtf is up with the UU leads? Seriously? There's almost a 6 pt (5.94) difference between the #3 and #4 spot! WHAT?!

TEA_DEMON · Feb 3rd, 2010, 6:53:25 PM

Wow an Ambipom took an amazing hit for UU leads.

Thanks Doug, always good for stat hunting.

connoisseur · Feb 3rd, 2010, 7:01:05 PM

To be honest I'm not surprised by the rise in swampert. He is literally on every single team I play against. Tyrantitar's rise is not really that surprising either. It's also nice to see mewtwo at #2 in ubers, he is the best pokemon in the game.

EvilMario · Feb 3rd, 2010, 8:15:03 PM

I'm surprised Lucario has been steadily dropping, especially with what we knew would be an increase in Scarf Tyranitar (whom Lucario easily sets up on Stone Edge, or preferably, Crunch).

Aura Guardian · Feb 3rd, 2010, 8:18:58 PM

The Tyranitar bit: Yeah, I've noticed he's powerful. Who needs a band when a scarf can pin your opponent between a rock (TTar) and a hard place (Pursuit)? The checking ability easily accounts for that. I see Scizor is falling, too. Perhaps the metagame has evolved. I'm glad it isn't stable anymore.

Gir! · Feb 3rd, 2010, 8:20:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat EvilMario

I'm surprised Lucario has been steadily dropping, especially with what we knew would be an increase in Scarf Tyranitar (whom Lucario easily sets up on Stone Edge, or preferably, Crunch).

I think the main reason is that he is easily revenge killed by ScarfTar, I mean, whats the reason to set up a SD when he can easily come back and revenge kill you with EQ? Lucario would need to run BP to beat him, leaving him vulnerable to other threats

IK. · Feb 3rd, 2010, 8:29:26 PM

Yeah scarftar at 22% is absolutely huge, but not surprising because of the fact that it checks so many Pokemon and is an amazing trick absorber for stall based teams.

Also pretty shocked that Venusaur is still number one, considering that it is not as dominant as in was in the previous period, definitely was expecting Cresselia to be number one.

Feb 3rd, 2010, 4:44:31 PM	#30
Bad Ass renounce all sin and vice! Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 1,897	anyone else notice how lo starmie can deal, at the very least, 60% to every pokemon above it? It lands 6 ohkoes, and 7 2hkoes. The only thing that can actually take 2 hydro pumps, bar some weird set, is latias. Latias takes about 65% from a life orbed ice beam, which equates to a 2hko after sr and a hydro pump. Use lo starmie more. __________________ check out my youtube channel! i put up lots of good narrated matches between battlers you actually care about! tournament matches, finals, and any battle i deem entertaining. saddened by the lack of warstories on smogon? enjoy quality narration from a cute southern belle? spend your friday nights analyzing pokemon matches? then my youtube channel might just be for you...

Feb 3rd, 2010, 4:52:55 PM	#31
VirtualKaraokeCircusAct Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 3,208	Surprised to see mewtwo and tyranitar at number one. Thanks doug. __________________ Yeah I thought about snorting them, will probably try it if normal ingestion isn't enough. And no I never touched a raccoon, but I somtimes pretend my cat is one.

Feb 3rd, 2010, 5:00:39 PM	#33
The Pokemon Pimp Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 662 Florida	Thanks for the list, Doug! Pretty cool, but I sort of hope Heracross jumps into UU soon...it'd be fun to use him down there. __________________ Currently chronicling my Pokemon Emerald Let's Play! Check it out here: http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3470480

Feb 3rd, 2010, 5:10:59 PM	#35
SHUCKLE MAN Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1,084	It's nice to see a bit more fluctuation in OU. I remember last month there wasn't very much. __________________ Shedinja fainted!

Feb 3rd, 2010, 5:19:51 PM	#36
Delta 2777 5% determination, 10% concentration, 85% luck Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,192	In terms of interesting leads in OU: \| 9 \| Tyranitar \| 22310 \| 2.97 \| \| 10 \| Gliscor \| 22154 \| 2.95 \| \| 11 \| Ninjask \| 20205 \| 2.69 \| \| 14 \| Uxie \| 15985 \| 2.13 \| \| 17 \| Crobat \| 12918 \| 1.72 \| Tyranitar's new lead set is seeing some use. People finally see Gliscor's potential as a lead, despite that it can be setup bait for Salamence. People continue to use Ninjask (even though I never see it). Duel Screen/TrickScarf Uxie sees some love, and lastly Crobat sees enough usage to get bye. Other notable OU stuff: \| Tyranitar \| Item \| Choice Scarf \| 22.7 \| ^^ No surprise there. \| 6 \| Gyarados \| 140890 \| 18.75 \| ^^ Used to be #2 iirc? Stealth Rock just continues to be a dominating force. \| 9 \| Gengar \| 110599 \| 14.72 \| ^^ Gengar is gaining popularity (along with Starmie, which is odd considering the increase in ScarfTar). Rotom-A and Latias obviously went down due to ScarfTar (which brings the question to mind, who really popularized this "new set"? (I say new because it has been used before, but never this much)). Thanks Doug. __________________ #lifting on IRC <tito>: delta i never knew u won a smogon tour <tito>: congratz http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a1...N/9412ad9b.jpg

Feb 3rd, 2010, 4:33:32 PM	#26
Quaily Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 400	I'm aware. I messed around with specs latias last month and she 2hkos scizor, metagross, and tyranitar with surf. The best way around is sticking a scarf on tyranitar, not picking a less used poke because none of them really have the power to stop her(bulky waters can switch into surf, okay. but how do they ko latias? they can't.)

Feb 3rd, 2010, 4:43:32 PM	#29
Quaily Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 400	Switching blissey into latias a lot is going to end up with a scarf/specs blissey, unless it's the sub/cm latias which can still beat the standard 252 def bold blissey.

Feb 3rd, 2010, 5:20:42 PM	#37
Megan_Fox Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 926 CT	Tyranitar \| Item \| Choice Scarf \| 22.7 \| \| Tyranitar \| Item \| Choice Band \| 14.8 \| Holy shit :o. Yea it makes sense though, like Haunter said, scarf-tar is extremely useful and latias is just a bonus. I expected a raise from last month, but i didn't expect this high. And yea like Delta said, its good that people are recognizing gliscor leads more. It really is a great lead __________________ "If you don't got haters you aren't doing something right" - Kevin Durant

Feb 3rd, 2010, 5:30:04 PM	#38
Blue_Tornado Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,894 Phantastic	so... that's why I've been seeing so much Scarf Tar. I've been waiting for these, good work! __________________ .

Feb 3rd, 2010, 5:33:18 PM	#39
Lord Blood Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 652 NJ	Uxie # 14 for OU leads scares me. However love the rise of Metagross leads. Thanks Doug! __________________ I'm Back! Message me if you want me to rate your teams. Wifi/BW OU only!

Feb 3rd, 2010, 5:39:45 PM	#40
Ciele Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 615	Tyranitar at #2? It was always coming. I also think that it's no coincidence that with T-tar's rise, there has also been a rise in Swampert's usage, and a drop for both Rotom-A and Latias. It just shows that it only takes one Pokemon's usage to rise to change the top 10 quite considerably.

Feb 3rd, 2010, 5:44:23 PM	#41
Parasol_Kirby Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 100 BARN ALL	I'm shocked at Ho-oh's drop in usage. Was its rise to fame that easily destroyed by HP Fire Giratina? Now I'm second guessing my choice to get HG over SS, lol

Feb 3rd, 2010, 6:15:25 PM	#42
Taylor no.... no i do not look like psyduck Moderator Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 3,988 play?	appreciate the effort for providing us with these statistics doug i think its time we lead with starmie more often!

Feb 3rd, 2010, 6:29:55 PM	#43
EpicTurtle Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 429 Chompy for OU	1 \| Froslass \| 16316 \| 12.56 \| 2 \| Uxie \| 13869 \| 10.67 \| 3 \| Ambipom \| 11551 \| 8.89 \| 4 \| Moltres \| 3839 \| 2.95 \| Wow people must only use like the same 3 leads or somethings since that jump is huge. __________________ "If I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith so that I can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." -1 Cor 13:2 "40 And the King will answer them, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.’" - Matthew 25:40 (ESV)

Feb 3rd, 2010, 6:53:25 PM	#45
TEA_DEMON Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 2,442 the fall of every season	Wow an Ambipom took an amazing hit for UU leads. Thanks Doug, always good for stat hunting. __________________ last.fm \| "art"

Feb 3rd, 2010, 7:01:05 PM	#46
connoisseur Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 253	To be honest I'm not surprised by the rise in swampert. He is literally on every single team I play against. Tyrantitar's rise is not really that surprising either. It's also nice to see mewtwo at #2 in ubers, he is the best pokemon in the game.

Feb 3rd, 2010, 8:15:03 PM	#47
EvilMario Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 573 Toronto, ON	I'm surprised Lucario has been steadily dropping, especially with what we knew would be an increase in Scarf Tyranitar (whom Lucario easily sets up on Stone Edge, or preferably, Crunch). __________________ EM

Feb 3rd, 2010, 8:29:26 PM	#50
IK. Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 284 in an imaginary kingdom	Yeah scarftar at 22% is absolutely huge, but not surprising because of the fact that it checks so many Pokemon and is an amazing trick absorber for stall based teams. Also pretty shocked that Venusaur is still number one, considering that it is not as dominant as in was in the previous period, definitely was expecting Cresselia to be number one.