Hoothoot (Analysis) [GP 0/2]

metsrule158 · Nov 30th, 2010, 2:10:21 PM

QC Rejections: 0/2
QC Stamps: 2/2 [GoldenKnight] [Macle]
GP Checks: 0/2

[Overview]
Hoothoot, if used properly, can actually turn out to be a pretty effective Pokémon. Unfortunately, it's one of the most underused Pokémon in the Little Cup metagame. It has terrible stats aside from its SpD, Speed, and HP and is weak against Stealth Rock. In reality, though, with a decent movepool and an average Special Defense stat, Hoothoot can actually work out.

[Set]
name: Choice Scarf
move 1: Air Slash
move 2: Heat Wave
move 3: Shadow Ball
move 4: Psychic
item: Choice Scarf
ability: Insomnia
nature: Timid / Modest
Evs: 196 Spe / 236 SpA / 68 SpD

[Set Comments]
This is one of the few sets that Hoothoot can run. It's main(and only) special STAB is Air Slash, which doesn't have a lot of power. Psychic takes care of physical Fighting-type threats such as Machop, and those pesky Poison-types. Heat Wave easily dispatches Bug- and Grass-types and melts those dangerous to Hoothoot Ice-types. Then there is Shadow Ball which hits Ghosts and Psychics with a super-effective attack. With the Choice Scarf, EVs, and nature, Hoothoot hits 22 Speed, out speeding all not-Choice Scarf Pokémon.

[Additional Comments]
Hoothoot is one of those Pokémon who significantly appreciates Stealth Rock support. This allows Hoothoot to get a much better chance at landing a KO. A spinner would also be nice as Hoothoot doesn't lose a chunk of HP every time it switches in. Hypnosis can be used instead of Shadow Ball in the fourth slot to inflict sleep, but is not that recommended as Hoothoot will probably need an immediate switch-out. Hoothoot is also a great counter to Shroomish and Paras as of its ability, Insomnia, and it's able to OHKO the both of them with a STAB Air Slash.

[Team Options]
A really good buddy of Hoothoot is Munchlax. Its high Special Defense stat can take Ice- and Electric-type attacks without taking a scratch. Bronzor's high Defense and capability of setting up Stealth Rock also helps Hoothoot. Machop's offensive strength can take out Rock- and Steel-types that Hoothoot might have trouble with. Magnemite also helps Hoothoot as it resists all of Hoothoot's three weaknesses and Hoothoot is immune to Ground-type attacks.

[Optional Changes]
Hoothoot doesn't have much else besides the sets stated before. It gets status inflicting moves such as Toxic or Attract, but it might not get a chance to use them. One could opt to use a Subnosis set, but frankly, other Pokemon like Gastly do that much better than Hoothoot can.

[Counters]
Basically any Pokémon that either has decent Special Defense or higher Speed than Hoothoot will beat it. The main walls are Munchlax and Mantyke who also have good offensive capabilities. The main offensive ones are Voltorb, Buizel, and priority users like Swinub. There are many other counters to Hoothoot, but this is just in general, not very specific.

Plusle · Nov 30th, 2010, 3:30:04 PM

Dream Eater is horrible. Remove that set as the opponent will switch.

metsrule158 · Nov 30th, 2010, 5:19:14 PM

OK. I made those changes. Anything else?

Darkamber8828 · Nov 30th, 2010, 5:25:35 PM

No first person pronouns?

Also, Rock really isn't a specially-attacking type.

Munchlax gets Earthquake and a high attack stat to kill Rock and Steel-types with. Bronzor gets...the former, at least. EQ hits steels that aren't Bronzor 4x effectively, so you don't really need much of an attack stat.

Magnemite resists all three of its weaknesses, while Hoothoot is immune to ground. It traps steels and booms on Munchy, while Hoothoot...sleeps Munchy and Heat Waves Bronzor and sleeps other stuff it can't kill.

Also, Dream Eater is kind of really terrible and shouldn't be mentioned at all.

**macle** · Dec 14th, 2010, 1:01:30 PM

I don't see the purpose of Psychic being the second move. Air Slash hits Fighting-types. Poison-types are rare in Little cup besides Tentacruel who can take a few Psychics. I'd rather see Air Slash - Heatwave - Shadow Ball - then Psychic / Hypnosis

Also the writing needs a lot of work...

metsrule158 · Dec 14th, 2010, 6:30:45 PM

Ok. thank you. I'll try to get on that as soon as possible. I can't do it now because I have a lot of things going on in school.

metsrule158 · Dec 15th, 2010, 5:26:10 PM

Thank you. I have made those changes.

**macle** · Dec 15th, 2010, 5:34:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat metsrule158

QC Rejections: 0/2
QC Stamps: 0/2
GP Checks: 0/2

[Overview]
Hoothoot, if used properly, can actually turn out to be a pretty effective Pokémon. Unfortunately, it's one of the most underused Pokémon in the Little Cup metagame. In reality, though, with a decent movepool and an average Special Defense stat, Hoothoot can actually work out.

You should add more to this imo

[Set]
name: Choice Scarf
move 1: Air Slash
move 2: Heat Wave
move 3: Shadow Ball
move 4: Psychic
item: Choice Scarf
ability: Insomnia
nature: Timid / Modest
Evs: 196 Spe / 236 SpA / 68 SpD

[Set Comments]
This is one of the few sets that Hoothoot can run. It's main(and only) special STAB is Air Slash, which doesn't have a lot of power. Psychic takes care of physical Fighting-type threats such as Machop, and those pesky Poison-types. Heat Wave easily dispatches Bug- and Grass-types and melts those dangerous to Hoothoot Ice-types. Then there is Shadow Ball which hits Ghosts and Psychics with a super-effective attack. With the Choice Scarf, EVs, and nature, Hoothoot hits 22 Speed, out speeding all not-Choice Scarf Pokémon.

[Additional Comments]
Hoothoot is one of those Pokémon who significantly appreciates Stealth Rock support. This allows Hoothoot to get a much better chance at landing a KO. A spinner would also be nice as Hoothoot doesn't lose a chunk of HP every time it switches in. Hypnosis can be used instead of Shadow Ball in the fourth slot to inflict sleep, but is not that recommended as Hoothoot will probably need an immediate switch-out.

[Team Options]
A really good buddy of Hoothoot is Munchlax. Its high Special Defense stat can take Rock- and Electric-type attacks without taking a scratch. Bronzor's high Defense (or do you mean both defense and special defense?) and capability of setting up Stealth Rock also helps Hoothoot. Machop's offensive strength can take out Rock- and Steel-types that Hoothoot might have trouble with. Magnemite also helps Hoothoot as it resists all of Hoothoot's three weaknesses and Hoothoot is immune to Ground-type attacks.

[Optional Changes]
Hoothoot doesn't have much else besides the sets stated before. It gets status inflicting moves, but it might not get a chance to use them. One could opt to use a Subnosis set, as it is much better than a Hypnosis + Dream Eater combo.

[Counters]
Basically any Pokémon that either has decent Special Defense or higher Speed than Hoothoot will beat it. The main walls are Munchlax and Mantyke who also have good offensive capabilities. The main offensive ones are Voltorb, Buizel, and priority users like Swinub. There are many other counters to Hoothoot, but this is just in general, not very specific.

yeah

comatthew6 · Dec 15th, 2010, 5:36:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat metsrule158

[Optional Changes]
 Hoothoot doesn't have much else besides the sets stated before. It gets status inflicting moves, but it might not get a chance to use them. One could opt to use a Subnosis set, as it is much better than a Hypnosis + Dream Eater combo.

you shouldn't compare subnosis to hypnosis + dream eater when there is none. It should be, "One could opt to use a Subnosis set, but frankly, other Pokemon like Gastly do that much better than Hoothoot can." You should elaborate on the "status inflicting moves".

On a separate note, you should also mention how Hoothoot, with Insomnia, is a great check to both Paras and Shroomish, as it can OHKO (I think) with Air Slash, because that's something that not many Pokemon can boast.

metsrule158 · Dec 15th, 2010, 6:12:34 PM

Thank you. I have made those changes.

little gk · Jan 28th, 2011, 10:22:20 PM

this is probably as good as hoothoot is ever gonna get

**macle** · Jan 31st, 2011, 12:54:59 PM

stampd

metsrule158 · Feb 1st, 2011, 5:29:01 PM

If GoldenKnight stampd my analysis (sorry, but i couldn't tell) then I am now ready for GP checks.

little gk · Feb 1st, 2011, 5:37:41 PM

yeah i stamped it x_

metsrule158 · Feb 1st, 2011, 5:45:03 PM

ok thanks.

ShinyAzelf · Feb 8th, 2011, 8:52:15 AM

metsrule158, GP checkers have said this many times, that you need to expand your descriptions. Can you please do that, so the GP team can get on with GP checking this?

Thanks =)

***Bloo***** · Mar 26th, 2011, 2:36:05 PM

ShinyAzelf has taken over this analysis. Moving.

Nov 30th, 2010, 2:10:21 PM	#1
metsrule158 Don't disturb him on his break. Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 360 New Jersey	Hoothoot (Analysis) [GP 0/2] QC Rejections: 0/2 QC Stamps: 2/2 [GoldenKnight] [Macle] GP Checks: 0/2 [Overview] <p>Hoothoot, if used properly, can actually turn out to be a pretty effective Pokémon. Unfortunately, it's one of the most underused Pokémon in the Little Cup metagame. It has terrible stats aside from its SpD, Speed, and HP and is weak against Stealth Rock. In reality, though, with a decent movepool and an average Special Defense stat, Hoothoot can actually work out.</p> [Set] name: Choice Scarf move 1: Air Slash move 2: Heat Wave move 3: Shadow Ball move 4: Psychic item: Choice Scarf ability: Insomnia nature: Timid / Modest Evs: 196 Spe / 236 SpA / 68 SpD [Set Comments] <p>This is one of the few sets that Hoothoot can run. It's main(and only) special STAB is Air Slash, which doesn't have a lot of power. Psychic takes care of physical Fighting-type threats such as Machop, and those pesky Poison-types. Heat Wave easily dispatches Bug- and Grass-types and melts those dangerous to Hoothoot Ice-types. Then there is Shadow Ball which hits Ghosts and Psychics with a super-effective attack. With the Choice Scarf, EVs, and nature, Hoothoot hits 22 Speed, out speeding all not-Choice Scarf Pokémon.</p> [Additional Comments] <p>Hoothoot is one of those Pokémon who significantly appreciates Stealth Rock support. This allows Hoothoot to get a much better chance at landing a KO. A spinner would also be nice as Hoothoot doesn't lose a chunk of HP every time it switches in. Hypnosis can be used instead of Shadow Ball in the fourth slot to inflict sleep, but is not that recommended as Hoothoot will probably need an immediate switch-out. Hoothoot is also a great counter to Shroomish and Paras as of its ability, Insomnia, and it's able to OHKO the both of them with a STAB Air Slash.</p> [Team Options] <p>A really good buddy of Hoothoot is Munchlax. Its high Special Defense stat can take Ice- and Electric-type attacks without taking a scratch. Bronzor's high Defense and capability of setting up Stealth Rock also helps Hoothoot. Machop's offensive strength can take out Rock- and Steel-types that Hoothoot might have trouble with. Magnemite also helps Hoothoot as it resists all of Hoothoot's three weaknesses and Hoothoot is immune to Ground-type attacks.</p> [Optional Changes] <p>Hoothoot doesn't have much else besides the sets stated before. It gets status inflicting moves such as Toxic or Attract, but it might not get a chance to use them. One could opt to use a Subnosis set, but frankly, other Pokemon like Gastly do that much better than Hoothoot can.</p> [Counters] <p>Basically any Pokémon that either has decent Special Defense or higher Speed than Hoothoot will beat it. The main walls are Munchlax and Mantyke who also have good offensive capabilities. The main offensive ones are Voltorb, Buizel, and priority users like Swinub. There are many other counters to Hoothoot, but this is just in general, not very specific. __________________ I won a big martini glass at my aunt's 50th birthday because there was a ribbon under my chair. Go figure XD Last edited by metsrule158; Feb 1st, 2011 at 5:29:34 PM.

Nov 30th, 2010, 3:30:04 PM	#2
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Nov 30th, 2010, 5:19:14 PM	#3
metsrule158 Don't disturb him on his break. Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 360 New Jersey	OK. I made those changes. Anything else? __________________ I won a big martini glass at my aunt's 50th birthday because there was a ribbon under my chair. Go figure XD

Nov 30th, 2010, 5:25:35 PM	#4
Darkamber8828 Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 2,695 i taste good but NO NO DON'T	No first person pronouns? Also, Rock really isn't a specially-attacking type. Munchlax gets Earthquake and a high attack stat to kill Rock and Steel-types with. Bronzor gets...the former, at least. EQ hits steels that aren't Bronzor 4x effectively, so you don't really need much of an attack stat. Magnemite resists all three of its weaknesses, while Hoothoot is immune to ground. It traps steels and booms on Munchy, while Hoothoot...sleeps Munchy and Heat Waves Bronzor and sleeps other stuff it can't kill. Also, Dream Eater is kind of really terrible and shouldn't be mentioned at all. __________________ Darkamber8828: Taunt is pokemon-cussing, right? DarkSlay: Nah. I thought it was more of the tounge sticking out kind of thing that pisses off people. DarkSlay: Not Pokemon actually cussing out one another. DarkSlay: "AYE FUCK YOU SKARMORY" (23:31:48) +RankingBot: Your rank in Standard LC is 1/415!

Dec 14th, 2010, 1:01:30 PM	#5
macle ribbit Moderator Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,740 Wisconsin Mentor	I don't see the purpose of Psychic being the second move. Air Slash hits Fighting-types. Poison-types are rare in Little cup besides Tentacruel who can take a few Psychics. I'd rather see Air Slash - Heatwave - Shadow Ball - then Psychic / Hypnosis Also the writing needs a lot of work... __________________ Art for Articles Help Write In-game Articles

Dec 14th, 2010, 6:30:45 PM	#6
metsrule158 Don't disturb him on his break. Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 360 New Jersey	Ok. thank you. I'll try to get on that as soon as possible. I can't do it now because I have a lot of things going on in school. __________________ I won a big martini glass at my aunt's 50th birthday because there was a ribbon under my chair. Go figure XD

Dec 15th, 2010, 5:26:10 PM	#7
metsrule158 Don't disturb him on his break. Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 360 New Jersey	Thank you. I have made those changes. __________________ I won a big martini glass at my aunt's 50th birthday because there was a ribbon under my chair. Go figure XD

Dec 15th, 2010, 6:12:34 PM	#10
metsrule158 Don't disturb him on his break. Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 360 New Jersey	Thank you. I have made those changes. __________________ I won a big martini glass at my aunt's 50th birthday because there was a ribbon under my chair. Go figure XD

Jan 28th, 2011, 10:22:20 PM	#11
little gk [23:23] <&Bedkal> I will quit everything I do on smogon Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,509 ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ	this is probably as good as hoothoot is ever gonna get __________________ Last edited by little gk; Feb 1st, 2011 at 5:37:31 PM.

Jan 31st, 2011, 12:54:59 PM	#12
macle ribbit Moderator Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,740 Wisconsin Mentor	stampd __________________ Art for Articles Help Write In-game Articles

Feb 1st, 2011, 5:29:01 PM	#13
metsrule158 Don't disturb him on his break. Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 360 New Jersey	If GoldenKnight stampd my analysis (sorry, but i couldn't tell) then I am now ready for GP checks. __________________ I won a big martini glass at my aunt's 50th birthday because there was a ribbon under my chair. Go figure XD

Feb 1st, 2011, 5:37:41 PM	#14
little gk [23:23] <&Bedkal> I will quit everything I do on smogon Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,509 ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ	yeah i stamped it x_ __________________

Feb 1st, 2011, 5:45:03 PM	#15
metsrule158 Don't disturb him on his break. Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 360 New Jersey	ok thanks. __________________ I won a big martini glass at my aunt's 50th birthday because there was a ribbon under my chair. Go figure XD

Feb 8th, 2011, 8:52:15 AM	#16
ShinyAzelf Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,377 Hong Kong	metsrule158, GP checkers have said this many times, that you need to expand your descriptions. Can you please do that, so the GP team can get on with GP checking this? Thanks =)

Mar 26th, 2011, 2:36:05 PM	#17
*Bloo* mon coeur s'ouvre a ta voix Administrator** Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 1,467 Mentor	ShinyAzelf has taken over this analysis. Moving.