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***bojangles***** · Oct 25th, 2009, 8:49:04 PM

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1) This thread should obviously be only for Ubers questions. If you have a question for a different metagame, please take it to the respective subforum.
2) The movie Arceus with EV limitations is coming out with Shoddy Battle 2 (don't ask therefore). The one without limitations will be released on SB2 as soon as it's unveiled by GameFreak
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Lord Jesseus · Oct 31st, 2009, 3:05:55 AM

What is considered an average-good CRE for ubers?

tripe · Oct 31st, 2009, 3:48:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Lord Jesseus

What is considered an average-good CRE for ubers?

I'd say 1600, although some might disagree with me.

***Jibaku**** · Oct 31st, 2009, 8:26:46 AM

Quote:

What is considered an average-good CRE for ubers?

This is kind of hard to set a number on since every player have their own definition for it, but I'd say ~1620-1625.

Uchiha · Oct 31st, 2009, 9:05:10 AM

Arceus is a beast, now my question is will it be a check to every pokemon in the game?

mtr · Oct 31st, 2009, 3:21:00 PM

Arceus can easily check every Pokemon in Ubers, except maybe Rayquaza due to Swords Dance/Dragon Dance. However, it may need to use rather specialized movesets for a few of them. For example, you need a Rock-type Arceus to counter Ho-oh, which doesn't really have much other use.

Private Piplup · Oct 31st, 2009, 5:26:55 PM

Ok, average-good I'd say is ~1400. 1600 pretty much guarantees you a leaderboard spot, so yeah. I doubt even Grass Arceus could take a specs Kyogre Water Spout, although it can outspeed (and thus weaken Water Spout with Thunder/Grass Knot), and basically everything mtr said.

Other pokes that may give Arceus trouble: Specs without Choice Latios
Mewtwo, Darkrai.

Garganator · Oct 31st, 2009, 9:06:53 PM

Quote:

Ok, average-good I'd say is ~1400. 1600 pretty much guarantees you a leaderboard spot, so yeah. I doubt even Grass Arceus could take a specs Kyogre Water Spout, although it can outspeed (and thus weaken Water Spout with Thunder/Grass Knot), and basically everything mtr said.

Other pokes that may give Arceus trouble: Specs without Choice Latios
Mewtwo, Darkrai.

Yeah, SpecsOgre 2OHKO Grass Arceus with Water Spout, however it needs 124 Speed EVs with Neutral nature or... 16 Speed EVs with positive nature to outspeed Timid Kyogre, so you may call Grass Arceus Kyogre counter, especially with Calm Mind.

Steel Arceus can handle Latios without bigger problems and MewTwo + Darkrai can he handled by Fighting Arceus. So I think the only uncounterable pokemon for Arceus is Rayquaza and you may still go with ScarfArceus with Ice Beam/Dragon attack to check it if you really need desperately Quaza check.

Zach · Nov 3rd, 2009, 9:36:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Private Piplup

Ok, average-good I'd say is ~1400. 1600 pretty much guarantees you a leaderboard spot, so yeah. I doubt even Grass Arceus could take a specs Kyogre Water Spout, although it can outspeed (and thus weaken Water Spout with Thunder/Grass Knot), and basically everything mtr said.

Other pokes that may give Arceus trouble: Specs without Choice Latios
Mewtwo, Darkrai.

Specs without Choice Latios has to answer to Steel type Arceus (w/ Recover),

Mewtwo will have a hard time getting past Ghost-type Arceus especially if it's the Ice Beam / Aura Sphere varient and even if it has Shadow Ball

And Darkrai can't really touch Fighting Arceus with Sleep Clause activated.

heres my question

what is "quick stall" and what seperates it from "modern stall"

Bastion · Nov 3rd, 2009, 1:38:05 PM

Someone told me mewtwo may become OU is this true?

***Jibaku**** · Nov 3rd, 2009, 1:43:03 PM

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Someone told me mewtwo may become OU is this true?

It was a gagjoke on Shoddy chat I believe >_>

Quote:

what is "quick stall" and what seperates it from "modern stall"

Quick Stall deviates from "modern stall" (I prefer to use the term Adaptive stall but whatever lol) in that it doesn't necessarily use normal stallbound Pokemon such as Blissey and Forretress. Instead, it abuses not the Pokemon's ability to defend, but their actual ability to stall mostly on their own. Common Quick Stall Pokemon include Defensive Mewtwo, Jumpluff, and Shaymin-S

lordkira · Nov 3rd, 2009, 2:03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Bastion

what are your thoughts will Skymin and Chomp remain Uber?

Skymin has already been voted to be UBER and Chomp only needs to be voted UBER once more to be stapled UBER (at least for a long time). By the looks of it with Latios and Skymin gone, it will be more of a threat than stage 3-1 so I am guessing it will be voted UBER. Not to mention that in the suspect thread, majority by a great margin are leaning towards UBER for Garchomp.

Now for my question (haha), what is (are) the most sought after play style(s) in UBERS? Is Stall viable in such an offensively aggresive environment?

mtr · Nov 3rd, 2009, 2:54:23 PM

Plenty of players love to use Stall, such as Jibaku, Uchiha, Gen, me, and more. Many more players prefer offense, but even they recognize that stall is probably more consistent due to it being less predictive, so they have a stall team tucked away somewhere just in case. Rest assured, everyone you meet will probably be familiar with the mechanics of Ubers Stall, whether they like it or not.

Standard Offense and Hyper Offense are definitely the most sought-after playstyles, but stall and defensive play in general are coming back into a vogue, as evidenced by rising Groudon and Ho-oh usage and declining Garchomp and Kyogre usage.

Quick Stall is annoying to play, and will often have things like Jumpluff, Wall Mewtwo, Skymin, etc, who often pose trouble for most teams. It takes more prediction than Classical Stall, but can be very rewarding. I need to make a Quick Stall team sometime...

@Jibaku: well, if you call Modern Stall as 'Adaptive Stall', we need a term for Classical Stall. How about...'Conservative Stall'? Because it usually is played more conservatively.

lordkira · Nov 3rd, 2009, 3:46:16 PM

What's the difference between standard offense and hyper offense in terms of structures and pokemon roles?

Oh yes, I did recognize ho-oh and groudon's usage rising.
Would this possibly (imo it will) lower the usage of palkia and kyogre?

tripe · Nov 3rd, 2009, 4:21:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat lordkira

What's the difference between standard offense and hyper offense in terms of structures and pokemon roles?

Oh yes, I did recognize ho-oh and groudon's usage rising.
Would this possibly (imo it will) lower the usage of palkia and kyogre?

Palkia can work under both weathers, so I don't think it's use will lower much at all. Infact, under the sun, fire blast is more powerful than Spacial rend, thanks to the pseudo stab boost.

Chii · Nov 3rd, 2009, 4:27:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat lordkira

What's the difference between standard offense and hyper offense in terms of structures and pokemon roles?

Oh yes, I did recognize ho-oh and groudon's usage rising.
Would this possibly (imo it will) lower the usage of palkia and kyogre?

Hooh became a real beast with the addition of Brave Bird and is now capable of 2hkoing all common ubers in the sun(exept for a very bulky Groudon, which can be burnt with Sacred Fire).
Also Hyper offense only exists in the form of baton pass or dual screen, because it is simply too frail otherwise, and once you let something set up you will get utterly destroyed. Offense still relies on bulky pokemon like Groudon and Lugia, to have some switch ins for very strong attackers, that cannot be ohkoed back by many sweepers, for example Mixed Dialga.

BlueSuperSonic1 · Nov 3rd, 2009, 9:53:23 PM

ok thanks

locoghoul · Nov 4th, 2009, 12:13:02 AM

How do I SR the TRU's Arceus? Will I have to SR in the store or can I do it very time I receive it from the Poke mart?

calze6 · May 17th, 2010, 4:51:47 AM

I'm using a sub tran in ubers with sub taunt fire blast and explosion. What EV spread should I have?

Coronis · May 17th, 2010, 5:03:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat locoghoul

How do I SR the TRU's Arceus? Will I have to SR in the store or can I do it very time I receive it from the Poke mart?

Every time you receive it from the poke mart

DarkestSamus · May 17th, 2010, 1:57:15 PM

I have a Darkrai with amazing IVs in literally EVERYTHING but his Speed is only 29. This means I will be outran by +Speed Max EV Weavile, Swellow, and Darkrai, who I would normally tie (which is only 50% of going first). I achieve 381 instead of 383 with max EVs.

Since I cannot reach 383, what's the next significant milestone I should beat? I could just stay at 381, or go a little lower and invest more into HP.

I checked the Ubers Speed Tiers, and it seems like the next value I'd want to hit is 373, to outspeed +Speed Max EV Arceus (not currently a problem, but soon enough). This will leave me slower than... a strangely build Kingdra and Heatran with +1 Speed boost.

http://www.smogon.com/dp/articles/ubers_speed_tiers

If I just stayed at 381, I'd have a few superfluous Speed points, but who knows what might come out in Black and White.

Thank you for reading!

(Please forgive me if this is an inappropriate place to ask - I tried making a thread but now I realize why that wasn't okay. I hope this is the right place to ask!)

**Theorymon** · May 17th, 2010, 2:21:54 PM

I would aim to pass 375 Speed, so you can outspeed some Kingdra after a DD if its sunny.

DarkestSamus · May 17th, 2010, 2:30:34 PM

Yeah, 376 might be something to shoot for. I'd probably need to boot Kyogre out of my party though for the sake of Groudon >.> Too bad I have Heart Gold... blah.

What is this Heatran, Neutral Speed, 252 EVs, +1? I wasn't aware Heatran had any +1 Speed abilities, and off the top of my head, I can't think of anyone who would be Baton Passing a +1 to him...

**Theorymon** · May 17th, 2010, 2:52:55 PM

Its probably Choice Scarf Heatran. tbh that shouldn't be on there because if its Scarf, it probably is either Hasty or Naive. I'll remove it later.

DarkestSamus · May 17th, 2010, 2:55:12 PM

Thanks Theory.

My friend said I could catch his Groudon in his game, so I think I'll aim for 376 Speed Darkrai and put Groudon and/or Rayquaza on to help nullify Kingdra's Speed.

Oct 25th, 2009, 8:49:04 PM	#1
*bojangles* IF YOU TRULY BELIEVE, Administrator** Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 2,885 Location: New York, NY Mentor	Ask an Uber Question, Get an Uber Answer Hi, welcome to the Ubers subforum version of the Simple Question, Simple Answer Thread. General Stark Mountain SQSA Rules 1. Your answers should contain at least a brief explanation, even if it was the simplest of questions. 2. While answering Yes/No question, please quote the question you're referring to. It gets confusing otherwise. 3. At least do a simple google search before asking the question here. 4. We have a lot of excellent resources on our site. Be sure to check our articles, and not just for DP, before asking here. Our item and move descriptions are also a handy resource. You may be able to answer your own question with those resources faster than it would take for someone to respond to your question in this thread. 5. On a related note of #4. If you answer an extremely simple question such as "What does the Yache Berry do?", instead of just answering the question direct them to the appropriate link (in this case http://www.smogon.com/dp/items/yache_berry) so they will know where to find that type of information in the future without coming to this thread. 6. This isn't the thread for "Look At This Pokemon" or "Should I keep it with these IVs" etc., use this thread (forgive me if I forget to update this link if a new thread is created, I'll try to keep up with it). 7. This is already in the Smogon and Stark forum rules, but I will reiterate again do not discuss ROMs or other illegal things. Also, don't ask for AR codes here. Use google for that. Basic FAQ If the metaserver for ShoddyBattle is down (this is where only 1 server, usually Official, will appear on the list) click Advanced and a box should appear prompting you to "manually enter server information". If you wish to get to Smogon Shoddy under Host: type in shoddybattle.smogon.com and under Port: type in 50000. If you wish to access the CAP server under Host: type in cap.servegame.com and under Port: type in 8888. If you are having trouble editing your posts, go to "User CP" as in User Control Panel, "Edit Options", and in the "Miscellaneous Options" section, set Message Editor Interface to "Basic Editor" which will allow you to edit in BBCode, then set back to "Enhanced Interface" when you are finished. Looking for a legal Hidden Power legendary IV spread? Either play around with it (it's not hard to figure out the patterns) or look here or here. NP = Now Playing (yes this was asked with frequency in other threads!) CMT = Check My Thread No, you can't have an image in your signature unless you have a badge. No, you can't rate threads unless you have badge either. Migrated Pokemon from previous generations can change their abilities upon evolution when traded to DP. No, we don't know what your SID is. Ask in WiFi forums "Simple Questions / Simple Requests" or something. Or better yet, do it yourself. The Rotom-formes are not currently usable over wifi, only local wireless (link battles). Same goes for Giratina-O & Shaymin-S. On the note of hypnosis accuracy. If Platinum is the host, the accuracy is 60%. If DP is the host, it's 70% For information on Damage Calculators and other interesting applications check out the DP Information / Resource thread and The Best of C&C. The RNG stands for Random Number Generator (although it's not actually "random"). The RNG determines almost every one of the "random" events that take place in game and can be used in breading termed "RNG-abuse". For more information and applications see The Process of PID and IV Creation of Non-Bred Pokemon and Deducing your Secret ID and the DPPt PRNG Research thread. In addition to this: 1) This thread should obviously be only for Ubers questions. If you have a question for a different metagame, please take it to the respective subforum. 2) The movie Arceus with EV limitations is coming out with Shoddy Battle 2 (don't ask therefore). The one without limitations will be released on SB2 as soon as it's unveiled by GameFreak 3) This should be obvious, but there is never any reason to insult another user. No matter how silly their question may seem, you were once new too. 4) The above being said, please consider your question before you post it (don't post stupid questions). 5) Do not ask questions about the tiering of a Pokemon. 6) Take discussion to the proper thread. Last edited by bojangles; May 16th, 2010 at 7:43:46 PM.

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mtr Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 1,754	Arceus can easily check every Pokemon in Ubers, except maybe Rayquaza due to Swords Dance/Dragon Dance. However, it may need to use rather specialized movesets for a few of them. For example, you need a Rock-type Arceus to counter Ho-oh, which doesn't really have much other use. __________________ Huehuehue

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mtr Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 1,754	Plenty of players love to use Stall, such as Jibaku, Uchiha, Gen, me, and more. Many more players prefer offense, but even they recognize that stall is probably more consistent due to it being less predictive, so they have a stall team tucked away somewhere just in case. Rest assured, everyone you meet will probably be familiar with the mechanics of Ubers Stall, whether they like it or not. Standard Offense and Hyper Offense are definitely the most sought-after playstyles, but stall and defensive play in general are coming back into a vogue, as evidenced by rising Groudon and Ho-oh usage and declining Garchomp and Kyogre usage. Quick Stall is annoying to play, and will often have things like Jumpluff, Wall Mewtwo, Skymin, etc, who often pose trouble for most teams. It takes more prediction than Classical Stall, but can be very rewarding. I need to make a Quick Stall team sometime... @Jibaku: well, if you call Modern Stall as 'Adaptive Stall', we need a term for Classical Stall. How about...'Conservative Stall'? Because it usually is played more conservatively. __________________ Huehuehue

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calze6 Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 548	I'm using a sub tran in ubers with sub taunt fire blast and explosion. What EV spread should I have?

May 17th, 2010, 1:57:15 PM	#21
DarkestSamus Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 54	I have a Darkrai with amazing IVs in literally EVERYTHING but his Speed is only 29. This means I will be outran by +Speed Max EV Weavile, Swellow, and Darkrai, who I would normally tie (which is only 50% of going first). I achieve 381 instead of 383 with max EVs. Since I cannot reach 383, what's the next significant milestone I should beat? I could just stay at 381, or go a little lower and invest more into HP. I checked the Ubers Speed Tiers, and it seems like the next value I'd want to hit is 373, to outspeed +Speed Max EV Arceus (not currently a problem, but soon enough). This will leave me slower than... a strangely build Kingdra and Heatran with +1 Speed boost. http://www.smogon.com/dp/articles/ubers_speed_tiers If I just stayed at 381, I'd have a few superfluous Speed points, but who knows what might come out in Black and White. Thank you for reading! (Please forgive me if this is an inappropriate place to ask - I tried making a thread but now I realize why that wasn't okay. I hope this is the right place to ask!)

May 17th, 2010, 2:30:34 PM	#23
DarkestSamus Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 54	Yeah, 376 might be something to shoot for. I'd probably need to boot Kyogre out of my party though for the sake of Groudon >.> Too bad I have Heart Gold... blah. What is this Heatran, Neutral Speed, 252 EVs, +1? I wasn't aware Heatran had any +1 Speed abilities, and off the top of my head, I can't think of anyone who would be Baton Passing a +1 to him...

May 17th, 2010, 2:55:12 PM	#25
DarkestSamus Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 54	Thanks Theory. My friend said I could catch his Groudon in his game, so I think I'll aim for 376 Speed Darkrai and put Groudon and/or Rayquaza on to help nullify Kingdra's Speed.