Internet's latest victim(?): 11 year old drama queen

[blackshellbowser]

For those who haven't heard...

Tween YouTube Rant Videos: a Cautionary Tale for Online Engagement

Basically, a girl known as "Jessie Slaughter" was posting Youtube videos of herself bad-mouthing her classmates. Unfortunately, this got the attention of the (in)famous board 4chan. The end result was a video of her breaking down and her father's anger becoming an internet meme. She's now world famous...in the worst possible way.

All meme jokes aside, this brings up the ongoing issue of parents not monitoring what their kids do on the computer/Internet.

[Game Freak201]

I'm 11 and what is this?

That aside, I've been surfing around that age unsupervised and I have never became an Internet meme. It's just the maturity level of hers that got her into the situation she landed herself into. In the end, it's both hers and her parents' fault.

Edit: I'm not actually 11. I'm just making fun of the "I'm 12 and what is this?" meme

[Not Scicky]

Some tween who thinks they're hardcore with a name like Jessie Slaughter is making youtube videos to make fun of people who no-one knows? Kill it with fire.

[pookar]

Originally Posted by Fat blackshellbowser

Basically, a girl known as "Jessie Slaughter" was posting Youtube videos of herself bad-mouthing her classmates. Unfortunately, this got the attention of the (in)famous board 4chan. The end result was a video of her breaking down and her father's anger becoming an internet meme. She's now world famous...in the worst possible way.

hey this isn't the entire story and the news outlets dont want to tell the whole story either

the video that was spread through tumblr and /b/ was not a message to her classmates, it was a response video to some youtube comments. that 4 minute brain slushie, aids, etc video was just because of some bad youtube comments (which are on about 85% of all youtube videos and about 100% of webcam-esque user videos).

Not to stop there, but after she was trolled by tumblr and 4chan, she went and accepted hundreds of people on her facebook etc (including completely fictitious names like I P Freely) and essentially allowing them access to her email, middle school, phone number.

Now i've expressed my opinion on this topic with some internet friends already numerous times, and although i disapprove of the extremity of the actions taken by 4chan, (death threats mostly), they actually proved a point that there are real consquences for using the internet incorrectly, and the 11 year olds actions in that 4 minute video were insane. Not to mention she took nude pictures of herself and put them on the internet. I think its important to repeat that i am not justifying many of the actions that /b/ took in this situation, but a few. They called the local police and reporting child pornography, which is fair I think. The trolling isn't a problem either imo. i could express my opinions more but ive already done it enough and i realize that your topic is mostly about the other side, bad parenting.

It is terrible to think that this is just one girl in florida who acted like this. There are easily thousands more who just don't have the resources (having a webcam at age 11 and free access to the internet) to perform these kind of stunts. it just makes me a little bit sad because theres a lot of dumb parents and kids out there and they are just becoming worse and worse with each passing year

[Parallel]

Originally Posted by Fat Game Freak201

That aside, I've been surfing around that age unsupervised and I have never became an Internet meme.

I'm sorry, what?!

[cantab]

Rules 1 and 2, please.

Changing the subject a bit, the end of the article says

make sure you invest in some good parental control software

That link in turn leads not only to such software, but also to an array of devices intended for spying on people's computer use, possibly covert. I mean they're selling inline keyloggers. Now if you're legitimately keylogging, on computers you own, such a device is far inferior to a software solution, since the user can just remove it. The main use case for such a device is clearly by criminals.

I'm not saying such devices shouldn't be sold, but rather that I'm not sure I trust a website selling such devices to give unbiased information about computer security.

[MetalGearSamus]

Well, I feel sorry for the family, that's a horrible situation for anyone to be in, but if you play with matches, you shouldn't be surprised when you get fire.

[MrIndigo]

The worst part about it so far from what I've read is that people are using it to justify the mandatory web filter in Australia.

[Polis4rule]

Though the whole incident is unfortunate, she kinda got what she deserved. Except for the in real life contact. Sometimes, 4chan people take it too far and personal. Apparently, the parents did not use a computer at all.

But you do have to say, the meme possibility is great, especially from the father.

[VirtualKaraokeCircusAct]

Originally Posted by Fat pookar

Now i've expressed my opinion on this topic with some internet friends already numerous times, and although i disapprove of the extremity of the actions taken by 4chan, (death threats mostly), they actually proved a point that there are real consquences for using the internet incorrectly, and the 11 year olds actions in that 4 minute video were insane. Not to mention she took nude pictures of herself and put them on the internet. I think its important to repeat that i am not justifying many of the actions that /b/ took in this situation, but a few. They called the local police and reporting child pornography, which is fair I think. The trolling isn't a problem either imo. i could express my opinions more but ive already done it enough and i realize that your topic is mostly about the other side, bad parenting.

hitting them over the head as a way of saying heads up, so to speak.

[chaos**]

Originally Posted by Fat cantab

Rules 1 and 2, please.

Changing the subject a bit, the end of the article says That link in turn leads not only to such software, but also to an array of devices intended for spying on people's computer use, possibly covert. I mean they're selling inline keyloggers. Now if you're legitimately keylogging, on computers you own, such a device is far inferior to a software solution, since the user can just remove it. The main use case for such a device is clearly by criminals.

I'm not saying such devices shouldn't be sold, but rather that I'm not sure I trust a website selling such devices to give unbiased information about computer security.

Of course, these solutions are bullshit. Kids know a lot more about computers than their parents do, and I suspect kids who know anything about how computers work will be able to get around both hardware and software parental control solution. The fact is, if you have unrestricted physical access to a machine, there's really nothing you can do to stop your kids except actually sitting there and monitoring them :(

[blackshellbowser]

Originally Posted by Fat Polis4rule

Though the whole incident is unfortunate, she kinda got what she deserved. Except for the in real life contact. Sometimes, 4chan people take it too far and personal. Apparently, the parents did not use a computer at all.

But you do have to say, the meme possibility is great, especially from the father.

That is where I stand. She deserved anything her classmates said, but 4chan going after an 11 year old, no matter how much of a drama queen she is, is a bit low (if such a low even exists...)

Originally Posted by Fat chaos

Of course, these solutions are bullshit. Kids know a lot more about computers than their parents do, and I suspect kids who know anything about how computers work will be able to get around both hardware and software parental control solution. The fact is, if you have unrestricted physical access to a machine, there's really nothing you can do to stop your kids except actually sitting there and monitoring them :(

What about not allowing kids to not have a computer in their room? I know when I was younger, the main computer was in an area where I wouldn't be able to go on a webcam and yell and cuss like crazy. I didn't get my own personal machine/laptop until way into high school.

[Ivysaur]

Originally Posted by Fat blackshellbowser

What about not allowing kids to not have a computer in their room? I know when I was younger, the main computer was in an area where I wouldn't be able to go on a webcam and yell and cuss like crazy. I didn't get my own personal machine/laptop until way into high school.

I've always thought it was weird that little girls and boys were allowed to have webcams in the first place. What are they supposed to do with them? When I was younger, we had a shared computer in the common living room without a webcam. Now that I'm in highschool, I have my own laptop and webcam, but that's because I know not to go exposing myself to strangers on cam, or making stupid rant videos and getting myself flamed. Children without parental supervision are probably going to get themselves into something stupid or sketchy on the internet..

Without a webcam, this girl probably would have just ranted about whatever on a blog. Imagine how much attention that would have gained? None. because there are millions and millions of angsty teen blogs about how much the person hates their life and everyone in it. I really doubt anyone would have commented on it, maybe just passed her off as some emotional 13 year old girl on her period. If she didn't get the negative attention from a popular site like youtube, she wouldn't have made a response, and I doubt it would have gone this far.

[Itchni]

The girl deserved it and her parents basically let it happen.

[Class]

not nearly as good as the Tylor King story

[Game Freak201]

Originally Posted by Fat Class

not nearly as good as the Tylor King story

I just googled it, and learned that it was a very hilarious story. Go to this link to learn more about it. Don't forget to go to the other link on that link to see the list of pranks done to Tylor King.

But back to the topic in this thread. It's even worse if she replied to Youtube comments since we all know that they're just infested with trolls.

[cantab]

Originally Posted by Fat chaos

The fact is, if you have unrestricted physical access to a machine, there's really nothing you can do to stop your kids except actually sitting there and monitoring them :(

Internet traffic can be controlled on the router, and then no matter what the kid does with their own machine they can't get around the filter if it's done properly. (The only way around is to connect to the neighbour's wireless, but that is easily detectable though not preventable).
The thing is very few parents would know how to do something like this - in fact worse, they don't even know THAT it's the best approach, and there are no commercial solutions aimed at the market - probably because parents will see £100 web filtering router against £20 software and go for the software every single time.

[Fishy]

All I really have to say is that you fuck up, and learn from your mistakes. I haven't been able to read the article yet since I'm at work browsing on my blackberry at the moment, but my opinion will likely stand. Yeah, it's unfortunate that the girl was eleven and has apparently experienced a world of shit, her own naivete caused the problem and I'm sure she damn well knows not to expose her life to the internet so carelessly again.

[chaos**]

Originally Posted by Fat cantab

Internet traffic can be controlled on the router, and then no matter what the kid does with their own machine they can't get around the filter if it's done properly. (The only way around is to connect to the neighbour's wireless, but that is easily detectable though not preventable).
The thing is very few parents would know how to do something like this - in fact worse, they don't even know THAT it's the best approach, and there are no commercial solutions aimed at the market - probably because parents will see £100 web filtering router against £20 software and go for the software every single time.

- How do you plan to identify your child's activity? I can spoof my MAC address--hell, I could make it look like the computer of another family member.

- What if the child sets up an SSH tunnel on port 80 of a remote machine? Then he could surf anything he wants and it will look pretty innocent--especially if he only uses it for say, porn. Are you really going to packet shape SSH traffic? Especially if I spoof my MAC address--then you're going to packet shape SSH traffic for everyone in the family?

- Even if you packet shape SSH, I can still tunnel HTTP through another server. If the server's proxy software rewrites the HTTP headers and HTML, it'll be pretty hard to identify whatever you are viewing as a porn site. Maybe your router software identifies pornographic images? What if my proxy converted all images to flash videos? I could even (non-SSH) encrypt certain sites to download say as, passworded ZIP files. While this would be a painfully slow way to browse, it's tolerable enough to put up with for a few videos...

- I hope the parents never plan to leave this kid out of their sight, because I could likely undetectably recover the router password from a parent's computer if left alone (even if password protected...)

- How do you plan to detect wireless connections to a neighbor's wireless if I change my MAC address? This would be even harder if I had an "in" on the other side--say another kid who sets up the technology in the house.

Sure, if you are diligent enough, you can block or detect any of this. The point is that many parents are looking for a quick, non time consuming fix that they can setup and leave alone. If you are a real parent who supervises their child's Internet activity, then there's not really much the child can do. However, if you think that setting up a router or installing some fancy software means you can rest on your laurels and not do your job as a parent you will always fail, no matter how clever the solution is.

[Super]

chaos, I don't know how to do all that. And I honestly doubt the vast majority of even computer brought up kids know how to do all that.

[cantab]

Originally Posted by Fat chaos

Sure, if you are diligent enough, you can block or detect any of this. The point is that many parents are looking for a quick, non time consuming fix that they can setup and leave alone. If you are a real parent who supervises their child's Internet activity, then there's not really much the child can do. However, if you think that setting up a router or installing some fancy software means you can rest on your laurels and not do your job as a parent you will always fail, no matter how clever the solution is.

Agreed, there's unlikely to be any technological method that's certain. And clearly when I said something would be "the only way around" I set myself up to be proved wrong. One does need to pay attention to what's going on, you can't just fire-and-forget. However, I still believe some methods are much better than others, and that when it comes to web filtering that is best done on the router, and worst done by client-side software.

That said, it might be a pointless exercise anyway, given any child is likely to have access to a wide range of computer systems, not just at their home. (As it happens, I am opposed to web filtering for any purpose other than computer security. I've seen too many filters blocking stuff of value that shouldn't be blocked.)

[cim]

Any kid mature enough to do any hacking to the extent chaos is talking about is probably not going to be scarred for life by anything he sees on the internet.

[cantab]

It's not about being "scarred for life" though. Most parents don't want their children doing certain things. (This doesn't really stop no matter how old those children get!).

Not to mention just because someone is very technically able doesn't mean they're able to spot a person online who has malevolent intentions towards them. And someone may simply know a "canned recipe" for bypassing the filter without knowing much about the technology behind it. For example there are simple GUI programs for MAC spoofing.

[TheAmazingFlygon]

I do not know the whole situation, however I do know some of it and based on that, I think that this girl's misuse of the internet is her own fault and she should accept and bare with the consequences of her actions. On the other side, members of websites like 4chan trolled the video way too much and did this extreme harassment such as sending death threats to this girl and her parents. For these actions they should be punished and some of them sent to trial. This may seem like drastic measures, but in my opinion there is a line between ''good'' trolling and harassment and in that situation they more than crossed the line.

The internet, although it is amazing in some cases, is but a poison for others; It should be regulated much more than it actually is and some real actions should be taken versus those who commits such horrendous things (sending death threats for a simple video). Granted that what this girl did was funny to a certain extent, but in reality, it's not; this video is far from something we should laugh at, it's miserable and pitiful, really. She should pay for what she did, but not the way she actually payed, in an more respectful way.

[NESgamer]

I agree with those that claim small children should have their computer in a common area and not their room, as have been said before in this thread, i had my computer in the living room too, when i was a kid and i was not allowed to take it to my room.

About webcams, except for those installed in laptops i don't really know why parents would buy that thing for children, who are them supposed to use it with anyway?

I'm talking about kids (under 13-14). Of course a teenager should be more wise when it comes to privacy.

Parents can't be watching children or teenagers all the time either, and most parents won't be skilled enough to prevent all that chaos has mentioned before.