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Old Sep 29th, 2010, 3:13:43 PM   #51
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-TLE-, one day I will write a song to those words.

I'm also planning some big things for the writing community (well not massive but still!) so keep your eyes on the right train of thought and your mind peeled!
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Old Sep 29th, 2010, 7:14:03 PM   #52
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Old Oct 4th, 2010, 1:35:17 AM   #53
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No love for my EXCEPTIONALLY beginner/poorly executed idea? I'd LOVE feedback.
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Old Oct 4th, 2010, 4:06:01 PM   #54
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Ok I'm going to launch my super-dooper ideas, but first a bit of critique for yonder above poster!

First things first, though it's a bad habit to start on a sour note, I was slightly disappointed. I don't know if it's because I've been reading and analysing Jekyll and Hyde recently, but I feel that Frank could be so much more than a mere
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I believe that with the excellent background that you've given the situation Frank could instead be a subject of the narrator's mind. Is it his dangerous mind going outside because he can't because of <reason>? Is he crippled? Is he mentally deranged [I quite like the idea of this one]? I love how you write, and I love how you built up a sense of mystery and suspense towards the end, but the final punchline just didn't do it for me. Sorry if I sound harsh, this is probably more personal preference than anything!

RIGHT here we go!

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Writing Reviews/Critique

I have noticed that the main problem of this threat is a lack of critique, so I had an idea: I'm going to force you! "Why not set up a scheme that makes sure a piece has at least two reviews?". Not only would this give valuable critique to the writer, but it helps the reader expand on their style - the more you read, the greater the register of vocabulary you possess for use in your own works, particularly characters.

I am going to start a separate review section at the bottom of the OP, and I encourage you to write tabloid-style comments (like the ones you'd see in books, here's an example: "Funny, delightfully inventive and refuses to lie down in its genre" - The Observer. Naturally it doesn't have to be all roses, though constructive criticism is a must. I hope that each piece in the OP will get at least two reviews. Ok next idea!

Writing Competitions

The best ways to improve your writing are to read a lot, and to write a lot. The former has been covered above, so logically I should force you all I should present the opportunity to write, but with a competitive twist! Unfortunately there will be no reward (I couldn't wangle a feature in The Smog) but I think it will be very interesting to see the different ways people interpret the given word. Yes, word. Here is how it would work:

- Occurs once a month.
- I generate a random word and post it here.
- The submission should be related to the word in some form, whether it be a character (though they must express the values of the word in some way) or whatever you can come up with.
- The submission can be verse or prose.
- At the end of the month, I choose the winner. No fancy judging system because it's pretty informal. The main reward is not winning, however, but seeing everybody else's entries!

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So depending on what you guys think of these ideas, I could put them into effect immediately.

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Old Oct 4th, 2010, 8:59:49 PM   #55
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Hmm perhaps I'll retool the ending a bit. I was thinking that perhaps this person is intensely derranged, obsessed with Frank and that could turn into jealousy of Franks attributed perfection, ultimately leading to some hideously derranged ending.
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Old Oct 5th, 2010, 10:46:02 AM   #56
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ok, so i'm thinking of a story that will involve demons and shit that may be posted this thursday. just reserving this space to bump the thread and to write my story later.
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Old Oct 5th, 2010, 4:17:09 PM   #57
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Please do not just bump the thread.

Why not comment on my ideas instead?

Poetry has infected my head D:
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Old Oct 6th, 2010, 4:55:57 AM   #58
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I don't understand what poetry does other than self expression. I can get that it's extremely expressive, but when you write it for others with all that measure and care is it really that self expressive or is it a performance to get other people to clap politely? At least a story tells a complete story, not just something I don't understand.

Can you help me figure this out? I struggled through poetry in university but I admittedly spent my time hitting on a girl that I only now realize I should have made a move on...what am I missing?
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Old Oct 9th, 2010, 1:31:36 PM   #59
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Did Kitten Bukkake read my mind? It was National Poetry Day on thursday so I wrote some, and one of them was about poetry itself.

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Old Oct 9th, 2010, 8:24:45 PM   #60
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If anyone was planning on reviewing Floralis TG--I am rewriting most of the second half and condensing it down chapter-wise. If you could hold off from reviewing until I have that finished, that would be best :)
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both those ideas sound great persistence. looking forward to the contests for sure
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Old Oct 10th, 2010, 10:46:48 AM   #62
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Ok I've implemented the ideas. The word for this competition is Dependence - I think that can be interpreted in quite a few different ways. Good luck!
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Old Oct 11th, 2010, 11:00:20 PM   #63
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Hey I've been going through this thread for a while, so I finally decided to contribute something! This would be for the monthly contest, on Dependence.
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Old Oct 12th, 2010, 3:58:21 PM   #64
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Smith, to be blunt, that was awesome. I loved the concept and you've certainly taken the given word in a way which I hadn't even thought of, and I believe will be unique. Maybe elaborate further on what exactly [the view of] the narrator is, as it is currently ambiguous, though I think I have the right idea.

You just set the bar, and I think it's pretty darn high!
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Thanks, I was worried that people wouldn't understand the concept entirely or how it relates to Dependence. I read, "Smith, to be blunt..." and was expecting some real nasties. However if you want me to spell out the themes/inspiration of the piece, I'll do so here in a spoiler box (because I certainly see how just having the themes right in front of you would sort of ruin it).

Key themes and ideas of "The Wall"-what was going through my mind, and the ideas I wanted to convey to the reader
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A few things:

Smith, that was awesome. I need to read it a few more times (damn the school), but from first read, it was awesome. Won't spoil the fun though (yet) by reading the Key themes.

Alch, change your name back you noob. Right now.

I might also write something for this, it's quite interesting, especially with the feedback stuff you try to get in. Would also fit in for some school shit I gotta do, so it would be a win-win for me.

Third: what discrimination is this, I am the only one unbolded in the OP after the story names D:

And is there a deadline? End of the month or do you give us a specific one?
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to write a poem about poetry honestly seems a bit up its own ass. It's like speaking in double metaphor or something, which only confounds me even more because I don't care for your single metaphor! What does it accomplish, anyways?
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I don't understand what poetry does other than self expression. I can get that it's extremely expressive, but when you write it for others with all that measure and care is it really that self expressive or is it a performance to get other people to clap politely? At least a story tells a complete story, not just something I don't understand.

Can you help me figure this out? I struggled through poetry in university but I admittedly spent my time hitting on a girl that I only now realize I should have made a move on...what am I missing?
i feel silly defending 'poetry' because i feel it is not a medium that needs to be defended (you either get it or you don't), but i'll ask you this: when you look at art from, say, magritte, do you deny the fact that 'the rape' is not high art even if you can't exactly pinpoint authorial intention?

the problem i've found with a lot of poetry readers is that they approach it like prose, which is ostensibly what you are doing. poetry is not necessarily written to be understood. if the poet was writing to necessarily be understood, he would write prose. it can be a frustrating thing to try to analyze poetry in terms of semantic meaning -- a 'point,' so to speak -- in the same way you would prose. there is so much more than semantic sense at work in poetry -- form, meter, 'the goat's foot' (that being rhythm in terms of the drum beat, though i forget which poet actually coined the phrase), the line break, sound, sound, sound, sound. the poem is a place where these things have the freedom to dominate writing in a way that isn't possible in conventional prosaic form.

poetry (writing) is self-expression to be sure, but it is also an implicit assertion that language itself is an inadequate mode of self-expression. i tell people when i'm talking about poetry that 'if the poet could say what he wanted to in words he wouldn't be writing poetry.' so yes, it's self-expression to an extent, and it definitely can be masturbatory, but you can usually tell that on a case-by-case basis.

and of course poetry doesn't feed like you like prose does. you have to dig, though in a lot of cases (like ezra pound's the cantos) you'd be fucked if asked where you're meant to dig. and that's the beauty of it! you don't have to understand poetry to get poetry, you don't have to even 'get' poetry to get poetry -- but surely you've read a poem in which something, a line, something resonates with you? that's really all there is to get. though no one can make you care about something.

of course some people just don't have the mind for it, and that sucks for them.
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guys, hello, i love writing and i'm happy to have found this thread!

i've read through a few pieces so far and i think that it might be helpful if you included somewhere in your post the project of your piece. what i mean to say is that you should tell the reader, briefly, what you are trying to accomplish with your submission. generally i would frown on that because it should be fairly clear in the writing what you are going for... but that doesn't always happen.

just a short little blurb like 'unreality of interaction, casual absence of the ethical, disappointment' (this was for one of my own stories) or like, 'trying to show the reader that my best friend is a zombie without actually saying it outright.' do you get me? let me know if you think this is a good idea.


ps here is a thread i made, somewhat narcissistically, a while ago in firebot. i've posted a fair bit of writing in there. here is my most recent post: http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpos...2&postcount=22
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Ok I was inspired and gave it a shot. If it's bad, don't ridicule me please. The quotes are mini flash backs except for the one in the first paragraph. I hope I did a good enough job hinting at what happened by the end of the story!

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Old Oct 18th, 2010, 4:53:04 PM   #71
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undisputed, I read it and I had a combination of these two expressions:

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1 is because it's brilliant, 2 because I don't like sad stories! xD

Anyway here's some abstract thing I'm "entering" though I'm not picking mine regardless. It's also very short.

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This was somewhat twisted by requirements for school, but meh, I'll post it anyway.

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I wrote a story too!

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Sorry, I'm not posting any writing, but for any of you who are interested, I am participating in something very awesome for the third time in four years, and I plan to win it for the third time too. It's not a competition; it's a challenge, which you may have heard of, called NaNoWriMo. The goal is to write a novel(la) in November, and it's both surprisingly hard and surprisingly easy, depending on your inhibitions. I've had a lot of fun; the two years I did it before I found myself writing crack fanfiction that wasn't remotely meant to be serious, and if anyone else here is going to try their hand, please let me know, since I'd love a Pokémon-playing NaNoWriMo friend.
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Since doing this contest, my writing has improved considerably. I highly recommend it if you want to improve. Nanowrimo has always been hard for me -- I try to write seriously. But no matter how seriously you take it, you will improve.
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