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Join Date: Oct 2009
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OU RMT Hiya Smogon! Today i bring you another RMT. This one based around one of my favorite sweepers Lucario. I had good success with this team but i always feel i need to improve. After trying to get advice from serebii and getting shit worth responses i felt i needed to take it to the pros. Not much else to say In the intro i hope you enjoy my RMT and if you actually take the time to read every word and give me a solid rate. ILY <3 Changes Will be in BOLD WELCOME ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ------------------------ ~Team Build~
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -Team In Depth- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ The Lead: -Swampet@Leftovers ![]() ![]() -Ability:Torrent -Nature:Relaxed -EV's:252 HP, 252 Defense 4 Attack -Moves:
~ Swampert?
~~~~~~~~~ The StallBreaker: -Heatran@Life Orb ![]() ![]() -Ability: Flash Fire -Nature:Timid -EV's:252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe -Moves:
~Heatran?
The Gimmicky Ghost: Gengar@Choice Scarf ![]() Ability:Levitate Nature:Timid EV's: 252 SpA, 252 SpE, 4 HP Moves:
~Gengar?
The Support: ![]() Shaymin@Leftovers ![]() ![]() Ability: Natural Cure Nature: Timid EV's:252 HP / 36 SpA / 220 Spe Moves:
~Shaymin?
~~~~~~~~~ The Supporting Sweeper- Suicune@Life Orb ![]() Ability:Pressure Nature: Timid EV's: 252 SpA, 252 SpE, 4 HP Moves:
~Suicune? Suicune replaced Starmie as i found it to be a weak link. Offensive suicune also makes a nice partner to Lucario. The offensive set is my final response to the DD Gyara weakness. Suicune also unlike Starmie can boost and sweep leaving it easier for Lucario to clean up. ~Considered changes: Someone on IRC actually suggested I use a DD Gyara in replace of Suicune so i can lure out physical walls before Lucario sweeps. Suggestions? O_o ~~~~~~~~~ The Star Of The Show- Lucario@Life Orb ![]() ![]() Ability: Inner Focus Nature: Jolly EV's: 252 Atk, 252 speed, 4 hp Moves:
~~~~~~~~~ Closing Words
I hope you liked my RMT and i hope you give me a good rate. The main focus of this RMT is too Find and new lead, find any possible threats to this team and overall get an impression of what smogonities think of this team. Any Advice from a small ev adjustment to replacing pokemon seems good to me. Well Thanks for reading my RMT i hope you enjoyed. Last Look ------------------------ ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ------------------------
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[Friend Code: 1892 5820 6160][Shoddy/PO Nick: Psychotic(OU) ToMaT0(UU)] .::Looking for a team to rate?::. Yet Another Lucario Team|OU RMT| [PM Me Or Drop Me A VM If you need some help with your team]. New Revenge Killer!: Speedy Swine (Made by me and -LUX-)::[Bulbapedia Account(Psychotic)][I appreciated all feedback!] Last edited by Psychotic; Sep 11th, 2012 at 11:09:04 PM. |
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Join Date: Jul 2010
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Entei's Den, Entei is a beast.
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Sup Smug,Hope You Are Back From Florida..I Need Some Pokesav Pokes =)
Rate Time! God,Swampert Actually Is Slow And It Doesnt Beat Any Lead As Taunt Stop Him From Setting Up.Actually Use Azelf > Swampert As It Set-Up's SR With Ease.Use Colbur Berry Lead.Machamp Owns This Team With His Dynamic And Payback Punches.So Use Colbur Berry.Payback Fails To KO And Kill Him With Explosion! Solid Team Smug,But Well,Wanna Battle? Good Luck!
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Join Date: Aug 2009
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Use protect over earth power on shaymin, trust me, you won't be disappointed.
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Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 669
HIAL UNREALCOMMIE!!!!1
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You have problems with Special walls becuase 4 of your pokemon, including your ENTIRE F/W/G core, I'm using Starmie >> Pert, is easily walled by a Blssey. Try a MixNape >> Heatran. He's quick to revenge kill and laughs at all blisseys.
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Join Date: Oct 2009
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Ill still try MixApe as adding a wall breaker does seem nice.
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You are slightly weak to Taunt Dos (starmie is the only thig that can beat it short of exploding with Heatran) and a Gengar (which comes in on Shaymin).
personaly I would run a Scarf Tar or something over Heatran to beat Gengar which causes Lucario problems. Scarf Tar also buts a huge dent in Blissey with Pursuit is it can get in safely. I would prefer it also if a Gliscor was used over Swampert sicne I think you stated that you wanted a new lead. Gliscor sets up SR but can also function as a nice check to Blisey with Taunt and it works nicely with Tyraitar pursuiting Bliss after a Taunt. Have a Nice Day!
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Join Date: Oct 2009
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Psycho used post thread!
Its not very effective. Psycho used bump!
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[Friend Code: 1892 5820 6160][Shoddy/PO Nick: Psychotic(OU) ToMaT0(UU)] .::Looking for a team to rate?::. Yet Another Lucario Team|OU RMT| [PM Me Or Drop Me A VM If you need some help with your team]. New Revenge Killer!: Speedy Swine (Made by me and -LUX-)::[Bulbapedia Account(Psychotic)][I appreciated all feedback!] |
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Join Date: Apr 2009
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This is actually a very nice team with most threats and angles covered. I'll advise some small changes as to not devoid you of your synergy.
On Shaymin, I recommend switching Earth Power for Hidden Power Fire. You might snap a surprise kill on Heatran, but for the most part HP Fire is going to see more use because it hits Grass-types, the only Pokemon whom Shaymin cannot stall with Leech Seed, for super-effective damage. I could see Starmie or Gengar giving you trouble with some proper prediction, however you have the benefit of tying Starmie and not giving Gengar many opportunities to set, since Shaymin's HP Fire breaks Gengar's Substitute-though repeated switch-ins to Shadow Ball will leave you grasping. For this, I'm going to recommend switching Heatran's nature from Naive to Timid. You'll notice a minimal change in the power of Explosion, and you'll take Gengar's Shadow Ball and Rotom-A's Thunderbolt better. Good luck!
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Join Date: Oct 2009
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Can i has more rates?
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Hi :D
I'm no expert, but if you want a different lead, you can switch swampert for starmie. Starmie makes an effective lead, with possibly Grass knot > Tbolt for very common lead perts, and maybe Psychic > Ice Beam for lead Machamps. These seem like strange changes, but it helps you deal with threats in the lead phase rather than late game. Just a suggestion
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Join Date: Jun 2010
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Why mix swampert? he really doesnt have enough spatk to make a different in the damage unless you have a spatk+ nature.
...Kinda weak to ground type moves tbh. This team is too copy/paste really. Anyone Could outpredict you, and you don't have any healing moves on any pokemon except gengar. I like the shaymin idea, though leech seed... idk... it's helpful Sure, but still. I don't like life orb on lucario..... Not with Sword Dance, I'd suggest Bullet Punch > Extremespeed. heatran is fine, just as move coverage. I don't see many safe switches there but idk >< kool team <3 |
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Join Date: Oct 2009
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I actually tried BP>>>>Extremespeed but failed miserably. I lost important ko's on the likes of Flygon. Life orb so i can net those KO's and i need it since im not running Adamant. Thanks :P
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This is a nice, solid team, but let me recomend a few things.
1: Gengar owns your Lucario, so you need something like Weavile to Pursuit it before Lucario can sweep. 2: I scarf Mixape tearing through this team The solution: Slapping a scarf on gengar can defeat opposing gengar as well as defeat scarf Mixape. It also defeats opposing Lucario that can trouble this team after Swampert is gone (or even when Swampert is present, after it has two Swords Dances in). Other than those things, this is a nice, solid team. Good job. |
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Join Date: Jun 2009
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By scarfing Starmie, you can trick incoming bliss, it also lets you revenge kill things such as scarf nape. It does cause you to become pursuit bait, but then you can get out Lucario with no problems
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And we lived beneath the waves, in our yellow submarine
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Join Date: Oct 2009
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Hey,
Pretty solid team. You seem to have a pretty big DD Gyara weakness, and really big weakness to Grass Knot Agility Empoleon. If it manages to set up, it sweeps your team with practically no problem. To help out with these Pokemon, I'd suggest replacing Gengar with a Scarf Rotom-w, who takes care off the above threats with practically no problem. The moveset I suggest is Thunderbolt/Hydro Pump/Shadow Ball/Trick. I recommend Rotom-w mainly for its ability to hit the omnipresent Scarftar switch-in for pretty consistent damage with Hydro Pump. Now, since the removal of Gengar makes you slightly weaker to Stall, I recommend changing your Heatran's set to a Life Orb Taunt version. This guy rips stall apart, and even Blissey can't do much to it. A moveset of Fire Blast/HP Grass/Earth Power/Taunt should work well. It still provides you with a nice check to Scizor, Jirachi and other Steel types. Nice team, and gl!
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Join Date: Jun 2009
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So as every1 is saying you have a DD gyarados weakness, I suggest changing your starmie, it appears to be the weak link. Try out an offensive suicune:
Suicune @ Leftovers 4hp/252 ap.atk/252 speed Timid - Calm mind - Surf - Ice beam - Hp Electric Firstly suicune has the bulk to take even a DD boosted life orb bounce from gyarados, and she is a better sweeper than starmie due to her access to calm mind. You don't need a rapid spiner as your not weak to stealth rocks, and any team laying spikes/toxic spikes down will have a ghost, and you don't have any great ghost counter's or pursuit users. So imo rapid spin is useless on this team. One noticible loss is you don't outspeed infernape, however your gengar/heatran and infernape can't OHKO suicune without a boosting move to ko cune anyway e.g. nasty plot boosted grass knot, or a sword dance boosted close combat. Swampert doesn't make a very good lead imo. But he does seem right for the team, so I would swap him for gengar, and then swap gengar for an azelf. Then use an anti lead azelf set like: Azelf @ Life orb Naive 4 atk/252 sp.atk/252 speed - Psychic - Grassknot - Explosion - U-turn/fire blast/Hp Ground Azelf surprise OHKO's almost every common lead including Max hp: Machamp, Swampert and Hippowdon Fire blast/hp ground can be used for celebi, metagros, jirachi, skarmory and heatran. However Celebi, metagross and heatran normally can on occa/shucca berry and can all OHKO azelf. Jirachi is normally scarfed and will beat you with iron head flinch hax. While skarmory is probably not staying in fearing a taunt/fireblast. It's can also be effective against stall teams as it can rips holes in them and a timely explosion can also break through. The other thing is most of your pokemon are special, so they will be keeping there physical walls hidden until lucario comes out. I would suggest having something like a scarf flygon to lure them in, otherwise you will find lucario countered every time he sets up. Hope I helped.
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Well I'm going to test all of these: I actually put Taunt over Explosion on Heatran. I'm also thinking of trying Scarf Flygon over Shaymin because i feel Shaymin is contributing the least and Flygon can also help with my Gyarados problem with Thunderpunch. More rates? o-o
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[Friend Code: 1892 5820 6160][Shoddy/PO Nick: Psychotic(OU) ToMaT0(UU)] .::Looking for a team to rate?::. Yet Another Lucario Team|OU RMT| [PM Me Or Drop Me A VM If you need some help with your team]. New Revenge Killer!: Speedy Swine (Made by me and -LUX-)::[Bulbapedia Account(Psychotic)][I appreciated all feedback!] Last edited by Psychotic; Sep 21st, 2010 at 6:44:47 PM. |
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Actually, I meant for you to try out a Life Orb Heatran with Taunt, mainly because a Scarfed Taunt is practically useless and the extra power helps him blast his way through walls. If Rotom-w doesn't work on WiFi, then Scarf Gengar is an excellent alternative. Try a moveset of Shadow Ball/HP Ice/Thunderbolt/Trick. This allows you to revenge both DD Gyara and DD Nite, as well as pack a nasty surprise for Blissey. I'm not too keen on replacing Shaymin, as it's your main defense against bulky waters. If you find that its power is lacking, try a Life Orb attacking set. A moveset of Seed Flare/Earth Power/HP Ice/Rest should work well, with Max Speed and Special Attack. Shaymin's Natural Cure ability makes Rest a great option, so you get a full recovery move with practically no drawbacks.
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Join Date: Oct 2009
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EDIT: Changed Gengar to scarf variant and Suicune>>>Starmie
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[Friend Code: 1892 5820 6160][Shoddy/PO Nick: Psychotic(OU) ToMaT0(UU)] .::Looking for a team to rate?::. Yet Another Lucario Team|OU RMT| [PM Me Or Drop Me A VM If you need some help with your team]. New Revenge Killer!: Speedy Swine (Made by me and -LUX-)::[Bulbapedia Account(Psychotic)][I appreciated all feedback!] |
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Join Date: Mar 2010
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-Heatran@Choice Scarf
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ok well I was about to say that taunt on a scarftran was useless but then I read the last comment. I'm not sure why the switch of LO to scarf was necessary between gengar and heatran, as you could give heatran hp electric instead as it's not as expected and nets a lot of surprise kills on gyarados switch ins. Also dragon pulse could be used in place of taunt/explosion. You should update the team up top so we can actually see what it is we're rating though, because otherwise some comments are going to be useless, like mine probably is :p |
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Join Date: Oct 2009
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Yes i'll update x.x /is lazy
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[Friend Code: 1892 5820 6160][Shoddy/PO Nick: Psychotic(OU) ToMaT0(UU)] .::Looking for a team to rate?::. Yet Another Lucario Team|OU RMT| [PM Me Or Drop Me A VM If you need some help with your team]. New Revenge Killer!: Speedy Swine (Made by me and -LUX-)::[Bulbapedia Account(Psychotic)][I appreciated all feedback!] |
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Join Date: Jun 2010
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<3 snuggie - tbh this team is atrocious. A gimmick gengar... :/, stupid, i recommend using a choice scarfed gastly, thats more original. Lead perts are failing due to most leads in the metagame carrying grass knot or taunt. i rate this team a 0 out of 10. <3 snuggie :P
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