Voodoom Playtesting

***DougJustDoug***** · Aug 26th, 2010, 1:29:03 AM

Voodoom is live on the CAP Server!

The inaugural battle was fought between Deck Knight (the CAP 11 Topic Leader) and Rising Dusk (the Stat Spread creator), both of whom were instrumental in shaping almost all competitive aspects of our strange and mysterious new CAP Pokemon. It was an up and down battle on both sides, and was great fun to watch. Deck Knight prevailed, winning 1-0 -- and a perfectly fitting ending with Togekiss as the last pokemon standing. Congratulations to both combatants on one of the best inaugural battles in CAP history!

So, let's get on with the playtesting!

The ladder has been reset and renamed to "Playtest", and all the other CAP pokemon have been removed. So for the next two weeks Voodoom will have our undivided attention. At the conclusion of the testing period, the top-rated battler will win the custom title of "CAP Playtesting Champion"!

If you want reference information on Voodoom-- check out Voodoom's dex page on the CAP Website. It has all you need to know about our battling voodoo doll. We also have a preliminary analysis to help battlers looking to get an idea of how Voodoom might be able to be used effectively. If you need help connecting to the CAP server, or downloading the CAP sprites -- check out the CAP Server Connection Guide. Join in with fellow CAP battlers on the server and let's put Voodoom to the test!

This thread will serve as home base for all playtesting results and comments. If you post battle logs or long excerpts, please use hide tags, or code tags please.

Rising_Dusk · Aug 26th, 2010, 1:34:43 AM

Yeah, it was a fun battle with mistakes and awesome stuff from both sides. Great start to the playtest, if you ask me. The battle log is in the hidden tag below for anyone who is interested, and our post-battle commentary is in the hidden tag just below that.

Log

Commentary

((In retrospect and after reviewing the log, it seems as though he didn't have Aura Sphere on Voodoom! I could've totally won the match if I had noticed and sent out my own Voodoom into his, but that's how the cookie crumbles. GG!))

Anyway, here's to another round of playtest, everyone!

LouisCyphre · Aug 26th, 2010, 2:19:07 AM

Awesome start to the testing period, I'd say! Looking forward to some Voodoom action.

Azule · Aug 26th, 2010, 6:07:34 AM

Been playtesting since this morning and I can say that ZapDoomKiss is a pretty powerful trio. BP Zapdos seems to be everywhere.

eXeggutoraped · Aug 26th, 2010, 7:26:51 AM

why zapdos though? fighting resist?

Arcanite · Aug 26th, 2010, 7:52:49 AM

Very effective Late gema cleaner set IMO:
Voodoom:
Nature: Timid
Ability: Volt Absorb
Item: Life Orb
EVs:
240 Speed (Outruns +speed nature Aerodactyl and Crobat, nothing notable is outrun with 252)
252 Special Atack (Hits as hard as possible)
16 Defence (Already has 321 HP which is a good life orb number, and is probably more scared of Physical)
Moves:
Aura Sphere (Stab)
Dark Pulse (Stab)
Hidden Power (I chose Grass for swampert, although rock would work well IMO for Zapdos and Slightly better Vs. Kiss)
Vacuum Wave (does 56.1% - 66% Vs. Neutral nature no Special defence voodoom, 61.7% - 72.9% Vs. Naive, and priority is great in general)

PenguinX · Aug 26th, 2010, 8:19:46 AM

Been testing out a trick Macho Brace Rotom-H which has been working decently so far, as it can switch in onto Togekiss and then Tricks a Macho Brace onto a predicted Voodoom switch, which pretty much cripples Offensive Voodoom.

Sure it's gimmicky, but a lot of the common stuff on the ladder won't like to take a Macho Brace either. Togekiss, Heracross, Starmie and Zapdos all hate Macho Brace as well.

~~bubbly~~ · Aug 26th, 2010, 9:21:58 AM

Did someone say ZapDoomKiss?
Yeah, I've been using that and getting great results just running BPass on all three and just accumulating boosts. I normally pass an Agility first, after which I can get off a Baton Pass from all of them before their counters attack. Between them they can handle almost any threat in the metagame.

The problem is everyone else is using them. Zapdos, by the way, is potentially going to benefit more than the predicted "collateral damage" like Gyarados due to its main few switch ins, Tyranitar and Rotom-A for instance, being easily handled.

Boss jr. · Aug 26th, 2010, 11:13:16 AM

:D Voodoom was really fun to use and I love how Volt Absorb can surprise people. I still have a BP/Bulk Up set I have to test later, but over all I think Voodoom is really cool and veratile :) .

Sorry, I didn't save any of my logs :( .

tennisace · Aug 26th, 2010, 11:15:29 AM

I tried just DoomKiss and I was thoroughly underwhelmed, though I never really play with BP teams. It's a lot of work for a little more reward than if you just attacked those turns. So, currently I'm trying out some other cool things!

I will say that Scizor is excellent. You know how Voodoom can't KO Scizor with Aura Sphere? SD in his face and KO with Bullet Punch, then proceed to survive Starmie's attacks and KO it too. I'm using Voodoom as my Zapdos/Rotom-A check and the team is finally clicking.

RaikouLover · Aug 26th, 2010, 8:33:05 PM

I havent paid much attention to this but read over the analysis surprised no mention of Choice Specs set?

Aura Sphere / Dark Pulse / HP Rock or Psychic / Vacuum Wave looks like just a faster Lucario with more switch-in opportunities.

shrang · Aug 26th, 2010, 9:39:50 PM

I must say, that SubSplit Voodoom is absolutely amazing. It has pretty much everything Gengar wishes it had (Bulk, Aura Sphere, good dual-STAB). Surprisingly, I'm not using Togekiss with it just because I want to be different, so I'm pairing Gyarados and Zapdos with it. I should also mention Voodoom is probably one of the coolest Tyranitar counters ever (Fuck off Machamp), only incapable of switching into Superpower. Give the thing some Spikes support, and it runs through teams easily.

The good thing about Voodoom is that he doesn't feel all that broken either. He has the balance of being awesome while being manageable at the same time.

MetaGross66 · Aug 26th, 2010, 9:53:33 PM

I don't know how DoomKiss was underwhelming for you. It works amazingly well with Jolteon passing Agility and subs. I've swept whole teams with it, and even reached #3 on the Playtest leaderboard, though I doubt it'll stay like that for long. DoomKiss is a really consistent winning core for me at least. I've been running an all out attacker Voodoom using Dark Pulse, Aura sphere, Vacuum Wave, and Psychic.

tennisace · Aug 26th, 2010, 10:12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat MetaGross66

I don't know how DoomKiss was underwhelming for you. It works amazingly well with Jolteon passing Agility and subs. I've swept whole teams with it, and even reached #3 on the Playtest leaderboard, though I doubt it'll stay like that for long. DoomKiss is a really consistent winning core for me at least. I've been running an all out attacker Voodoom using Dark Pulse, Aura sphere, Vacuum Wave, and Psychic.

You're misunderstanding what I mean by DoomKiss. I mean just Togekiss + Voodoom as a singular pair, not with Zapdos or Jolteon support. I had my team set up so that everyone set up round Voodoom, with Togekiss being the final piece, passing Nasty Plots and Wishes. It was thoroughly underwhelming. I didn't build my team around Baton Passing, which is what it seems to me you have to do to get DoomKiss to work.

The original team was something like Iron Ball Metagross, SD Scizor, Voodoom, Togekiss, Starmie, and some random member or something. However that didn't really work at all. Currently the team is this:

TEAM VOODOOM

Reach recommended that Voodoom set and I haven't really tried it but I never really used HP Ice/Baton Pass which were the two moves I had before.

Ice-eyes · Aug 27th, 2010, 1:13:30 AM

Specially Defensive Skarmory + Voodoom completely annihilates the metagame. Phazer is nice to have as well.

Umbreon Dan · Aug 27th, 2010, 1:21:42 AM

rest / talk gyarados has been holding my teams together. careful and a bit of special defense investment makes him the best doom counter. without roar though, he loses to bulk up :C

eXeggutoraped · Aug 27th, 2010, 2:12:11 AM

doesn't gyarados resist superpower/close combat anyway?

Ice-eyes · Aug 27th, 2010, 2:19:09 AM

Yeah, but Gyara just gets Bulked Up all over and then dies to Night Slash.

FlareBlitz · Aug 27th, 2010, 3:18:59 AM

I have been having quite a bit of success with DoomRaptor. Well, not "quite a bit". I've only played like 10 games. Still...

Voodoom is fully capable of dispatching Staraptor's primary counters in Rotom and Zapdos, and physical flying is such a fantastic attacking type that Staraptor can eat most teams alive with its LO set after those two are gone, especially since if you predict right you can easily 2hko all these specially defensive Skarmory running around (although they need to be Careful, Impish loses you the kill unless you have around 15% in residual damage on it). Brave Bird hits way harder than Togekiss' Air Slash too, which is definitely a plus.

Ice-eyes · Aug 27th, 2010, 3:23:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat FlareBlitz

I have been having quite a bit of success with DoomRaptor. Well, not "quite a bit". I've only played like 10 games. Still...

Voodoom is fully capable of dispatching Staraptor's primary counters in Rotom and Zapdos, and physical flying is such a fantastic attacking type that Staraptor can eat most teams alive with its LO set after those two are gone, especially since if you predict right you can easily 2hko all these specially defensive Skarmory running around (although they need to be Careful, Impish loses you the kill unless you have around 15% in residual damage on it). Brave Bird hits way harder than Togekiss' Air Slash too, which is definitely a plus.

Makes you a bit vulnerable to Starmie though :P

But yeah Specially Defensive Skarmory can't afford to run Impish really seeing as Careful takes about 55% from Gengar's Focus Blast and Voodoom's Aura Sphere.

Definitely have to test that Raptor. Were you using SubRoost?

Gyarados is something else I really need to test as Voodoom can sponge Rock and Electric, walls Rotom and takes out other stuff like Celebi pretty nicely too. It could even Baton Pass Bulk Ups...

Boss jr. · Aug 27th, 2010, 9:47:56 AM

I tried that w/ a CurseLax to try and ditch the drops in speed (not like it matters) and get a couple boosts ahead when he switches in. I liked the result but didn't get to play with it alot because of connection issues. Voodoom should be able to thoroughly dispose of any CurseLax counters though. I'll play with the idea more later.

EdgeHead · Aug 27th, 2010, 10:40:30 AM

Before I go out and make a team with Voodoom, I'm fighting in the ladder with my normal team to see how it works best. Honestly, Voodoom has yet to give me any serious trouble.

Boss jr. · Aug 27th, 2010, 11:24:53 AM

Lol, that's funny because there were more than a few times when I went "Oh F***! Voodoom! D: "

Who I'm hoping will be a little less common after the playtesting because with Aura Sphere it destroys my CurseLax :'( . Easy fix though...... Azelf go BOOM!

tophway · Aug 27th, 2010, 12:10:26 PM

LO Aerodactyl looked nice in theory as I was having trouble with all the birds/gyara. Stone Edge OHKOs all Togekiss without defense EVs, and all Zapdos that arent physically defensive (who still fall with SR damage). Aerial Ace is pitiful but it grabs 82.9% - 97.8% on offensive Voodooms, so a pretty solid chance to KO considering the possibility of rocks and LO recoil. Always fun for late game cleaning and has been working alright, havent found the perfect partners for him yet though.

reachzero · Aug 27th, 2010, 1:03:00 PM

Since tennisace brought it up, let me explain my motivation on trying TauntSplit over SubSplit. Contra shrang, Gengar does the SubSplit set far better than Voodoom does, because Voodoom wishes it had Gengar's key attributes of being immune to Seismic Toss and Toxic--SubSplit Voodom requires a lot more work/luck to beat Blissey than SubSplit Gengar does. SubSplit Voodoom's best tactic against Blissey is to Sub all the way down, Pain Split, and try to flinch Blissey into Aura Sphere KO range with Dark Pulse as she uses Softboiled. This is obviously incredibly painful to attempt repeatedly....Considering that both of Voodoom's attack options are 100% accurate and it has far better defenses than Gengar, I thought I would try TauntSplit instead since it handles Blissey much better, and Taunt is useful against a lot of other Pokemon, like Vaporeon. Pain Split is still good for recovering when you're very low in HP, and Voodoom has plenty of chances to use it, even without a Substitute.

Aug 26th, 2010, 1:29:03 AM	#1
*DougJustDoug* Knows the great enthusiasms Administrator** Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,901 Houston, TX	Voodoom Playtesting Voodoom is live on the CAP Server! The inaugural battle was fought between Deck Knight (the CAP 11 Topic Leader) and Rising Dusk (the Stat Spread creator), both of whom were instrumental in shaping almost all competitive aspects of our strange and mysterious new CAP Pokemon. It was an up and down battle on both sides, and was great fun to watch. Deck Knight prevailed, winning 1-0 -- and a perfectly fitting ending with Togekiss as the last pokemon standing. Congratulations to both combatants on one of the best inaugural battles in CAP history! So, let's get on with the playtesting! The ladder has been reset and renamed to "Playtest", and all the other CAP pokemon have been removed. So for the next two weeks Voodoom will have our undivided attention. At the conclusion of the testing period, the top-rated battler will win the custom title of "CAP Playtesting Champion"! If you want reference information on Voodoom-- check out Voodoom's dex page on the CAP Website. It has all you need to know about our battling voodoo doll. We also have a preliminary analysis to help battlers looking to get an idea of how Voodoom might be able to be used effectively. If you need help connecting to the CAP server, or downloading the CAP sprites -- check out the CAP Server Connection Guide. Join in with fellow CAP battlers on the server and let's put Voodoom to the test! This thread will serve as home base for all playtesting results and comments. If you post battle logs or long excerpts, please use hide tags, or code tags please. Last edited by DougJustDoug; Aug 26th, 2010 at 6:56:01 PM. Reason: Better screenshot from cyberzero

Aug 26th, 2010, 1:34:43 AM	#2
Rising_Dusk Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 4,742	Yeah, it was a fun battle with mistakes and awesome stuff from both sides. Great start to the playtest, if you ask me. The battle log is in the hidden tag below for anyone who is interested, and our post-battle commentary is in the hidden tag just below that. Log Log Rules: Evasion Clause, Freeze Clause, OHKO Clause, Sleep Clause, Soul Dew Clause, Species Clause, Strict Damage Clause, Timed Battle Rising_Dusk sent out Heatran (lvl 100 Heatran ?). Deck Knight sent out Azelf (lvl 100 Azelf). Azelf used Taunt. Heatran fell for the taunt! Heatran used Fire Blast. Heatran's attack missed! --- Azelf used Stealth Rock. Pointed stones float in the air around the foe's team! Heatran used Fire Blast. Heatran's attack missed! --- Azelf used Zen Headbutt. Azelf's attack missed! Heatran used Fire Blast. A critical hit! Azelf lost 100% of its health. Deck Knight's Azelf fainted. Heatran's taunt wore off! --- Deck Knight switched in Voodoom (lvl 100 Voodoom ?). Rising_Dusk switched in Zapdos (lvl 100 Zapdos). Zapdos is exerting its pressure! Pointed stones dug into Zapdos. Zapdos lost 25% of its health. Voodoom used Bulk Up. Voodoom's attack was raised. Voodoom's defence was raised. Zapdos's leftovers restored its health a little! Zapdos restored 6% of its health. --- Voodoom used Thunder Wave. Zapdos is paralysed! It may be unable to move! Zapdos used Agility. Zapdos's speed was sharply raised. Zapdos's leftovers restored its health a little! Zapdos restored 6% of its health. --- Voodoom used Bulk Up. Voodoom's attack was raised. Voodoom's defence was raised. Zapdos used Baton Pass. Rising_Dusk switched in Togekiss (lvl 100 Togekiss ?). Pointed stones dug into Togekiss. Togekiss lost 25% of its health. Togekiss's leftovers restored its health a little! Togekiss restored 6% of its health. --- Deck Knight switched in Jolteon (lvl 100 Jolteon ?). Togekiss used Air Slash. It's not very effective... Jolteon lost 18% of its health. Togekiss's leftovers restored its health a little! Togekiss restored 6% of its health. --- Togekiss used Baton Pass. Rising_Dusk switched in Voodumb (lvl 100 Voodoom ?). Pointed stones dug into Voodumb. Voodumb lost 6% of its health. Jolteon used Agility. Jolteon's speed was sharply raised. --- Jolteon used Substitute. Jolteon lost 25% of its health. Jolteon made a substitute! Voodumb used Dark Pulse. The substitute took damage for Jolteon! Jolteon's substitute faded! --- Jolteon used Baton Pass. Deck Knight switched in Jirachi (lvl 100 Jirachi). Voodumb used Dark Pulse. Jirachi lost 43% of its health. Voodumb lost 10% of its health. --- Jirachi used Trick. Jirachi obtained Life Orb! Voodumb obtained Choice Scarf! Voodumb used Baton Pass. Rising_Dusk switched in Zapdos (lvl 100 Zapdos). Zapdos is exerting its pressure! Pointed stones dug into Zapdos. Zapdos lost 25% of its health. Zapdos's leftovers restored its health a little! Zapdos restored 6% of its health. --- Jirachi used Iron Head. It's not very effective... Zapdos lost 20% of its health. Jirachi lost 10% of its health. Zapdos flinched! Zapdos's leftovers restored its health a little! Zapdos restored 6% of its health. --- Jirachi used Iron Head. It's not very effective... Zapdos lost 20% of its health. Jirachi lost 10% of its health. Zapdos is paralysed! It can't move! Zapdos's leftovers restored its health a little! Zapdos restored 6% of its health. --- Jirachi used Iron Head. It's not very effective... Zapdos lost 21% of its health. Jirachi lost 10% of its health. Zapdos flinched! Zapdos's leftovers restored its health a little! Zapdos restored 6% of its health. --- Jirachi used Body Slam. Zapdos lost 25% of its health. Jirachi lost 10% of its health. Zapdos used Roost. Zapdos restored 50% of its health. Zapdos's leftovers restored its health a little! Zapdos restored 6% of its health. --- Jirachi used Trick. Jirachi obtained Leftovers! Zapdos obtained Life Orb! Zapdos is paralysed! It can't move! Jirachi's leftovers restored its health a little! Jirachi restored 6% of its health. --- Jirachi used Iron Head. It's not very effective... Zapdos lost 15% of its health. Zapdos used Roost. Zapdos restored 50% of its health. Jirachi's leftovers restored its health a little! Jirachi restored 6% of its health. --- Jirachi used Iron Head. It's not very effective... Zapdos lost 16% of its health. Zapdos flinched! Jirachi's leftovers restored its health a little! Jirachi restored 6% of its health. --- Jirachi used Iron Head. It's not very effective... Zapdos lost 16% of its health. Zapdos flinched! Jirachi's leftovers restored its health a little! Jirachi restored 6% of its health. --- Jirachi used Iron Head. It's not very effective... Zapdos lost 14% of its health. Zapdos flinched! Jirachi's leftovers restored its health a little! Jirachi restored 6% of its health. --- Jirachi used Iron Head. It's not very effective... Zapdos lost 15% of its health. Zapdos used Roost. Zapdos restored 50% of its health. Jirachi's leftovers restored its health a little! Jirachi restored 6% of its health. --- Jirachi used Iron Head. It's not very effective... Zapdos lost 14% of its health. Zapdos flinched! Jirachi's leftovers restored its health a little! Jirachi restored 6% of its health. --- Jirachi used U-turn. It's not very effective... Zapdos lost 8% of its health. Deck Knight switched in Jolteon (lvl 100 Jolteon ?). Zapdos used Agility. Zapdos's speed was sharply raised. --- Jolteon used Substitute. Jolteon lost 25% of its health. Jolteon made a substitute! Zapdos used Baton Pass. Rising_Dusk switched in Voodumb (lvl 100 Voodoom ?). Pointed stones dug into Voodumb. Voodumb lost 6% of its health. --- Voodumb used Dark Pulse. The substitute took damage for Jolteon! Jolteon's substitute faded! Jolteon used Baton Pass. Deck Knight switched in Gyarados (lvl 100 Gyarados ?). Gyarados's Intimidate cut Voodumb's attack! --- Rising_Dusk switched in Suicune (lvl 100 Suicune). Suicune is exerting its pressure! Pointed stones dug into Suicune. Suicune lost 12% of its health. Gyarados used Dragon Dance. Gyarados's attack was raised. Gyarados's speed was raised. Suicune's leftovers restored its health a little! Suicune restored 6% of its health. --- Gyarados used Earthquake. Suicune lost 32% of its health. Suicune used Hidden Power. It's super effective! Gyarados lost 46% of its health. Gyarados's leftovers restored its health a little! Gyarados restored 6% of its health. Suicune's leftovers restored its health a little! Suicune restored 6% of its health. --- Gyarados used Earthquake. Suicune lost 31% of its health. Suicune used Hidden Power. It's super effective! Gyarados lost 50% of its health. Gyarados's leftovers restored its health a little! Gyarados restored 6% of its health. Suicune's leftovers restored its health a little! Suicune restored 6% of its health. --- Gyarados used Bounce. Gyarados bounced up! Suicune used Ice Beam. Suicune's attack missed! Gyarados's leftovers restored its health a little! Gyarados restored 6% of its health. Suicune's leftovers restored its health a little! Suicune restored 6% of its health. --- Gyarados used Bounce. Suicune lost 39% of its health. Suicune used Hidden Power. It's super effective! Gyarados lost 23% of its health. Deck Knight's Gyarados fainted. Suicune's leftovers restored its health a little! Suicune restored 6% of its health. --- Deck Knight switched in Jolteon (lvl 100 Jolteon ?). Jolteon used Thunderbolt. It's super effective! Suicune lost 17% of its health. Rising_Dusk's Suicune fainted. --- Rising_Dusk switched in Voodumb (lvl 100 Voodoom ?). Pointed stones dug into Voodumb. Voodumb lost 6% of its health. Voodumb used Aura Sphere. Jolteon lost 33% of its health. Deck Knight's Jolteon fainted. --- Deck Knight switched in Togekiss (lvl 100 Togekiss ?). Rising_Dusk switched in Zapdos (lvl 100 Zapdos). Zapdos is exerting its pressure! Pointed stones dug into Zapdos. Zapdos lost 25% of its health. Togekiss used Air Slash. It's not very effective... Zapdos lost 20% of its health. --- Togekiss used Air Slash. It's not very effective... A critical hit! Zapdos lost 13% of its health. Rising_Dusk's Zapdos fainted. --- Rising_Dusk switched in Togekiss (lvl 100 Togekiss ?). Pointed stones dug into Togekiss. Togekiss lost 25% of its health. Togekiss used Nasty Plot. Togekiss's special attack was sharply raised. Togekiss used Air Slash. A critical hit! Togekiss lost 58% of its health. Togekiss's leftovers restored its health a little! Togekiss restored 6% of its health. --- Togekiss used Baton Pass. Rising_Dusk switched in Jirachi (lvl 100 Jirachi). Pointed stones dug into Jirachi. Jirachi lost 6% of its health. Togekiss used Aura Sphere. Jirachi lost 32% of its health. --- Jirachi used Trick. Jirachi obtained Leftovers! Togekiss obtained Choice Scarf! Togekiss used Nasty Plot. Togekiss's special attack was sharply raised. Jirachi's leftovers restored its health a little! Jirachi restored 6% of its health. --- Deck Knight switched in Jirachi (lvl 100 Jirachi). Jirachi used Iron Head. It's not very effective... Jirachi lost 17% of its health. Jirachi's leftovers restored its health a little! Jirachi restored 6% of its health. Jirachi's leftovers restored its health a little! Jirachi restored 6% of its health. --- Jirachi used U-turn. Jirachi lost 20% of its health. Rising_Dusk switched in Heatran (lvl 100 Heatran ?). Pointed stones dug into Heatran. Heatran lost 12% of its health. Jirachi used Body Slam. It's not very effective... Heatran lost 12% of its health. Heatran is paralysed! It may be unable to move! Jirachi's leftovers restored its health a little! Jirachi restored 6% of its health. --- Jirachi used Iron Head. It's not very effective... Heatran lost 9% of its health. Heatran flinched! Jirachi's leftovers restored its health a little! Jirachi restored 6% of its health. --- Jirachi used Iron Head. It's not very effective... A critical hit! Heatran lost 19% of its health. Heatran used Fire Blast. It's super effective! Jirachi lost 42% of its health. Deck Knight's Jirachi fainted. --- Deck Knight switched in Togekiss (lvl 100 Togekiss ?). Rising_Dusk switched in Togekiss (lvl 100 Togekiss ?). Pointed stones dug into Togekiss. Togekiss lost 11% of its health. Rising_Dusk's Togekiss fainted. Togekiss used Aura Sphere. But there was no target! --- Rising_Dusk switched in Jirachi (lvl 100 Jirachi). Pointed stones dug into Jirachi. Jirachi lost 6% of its health. Togekiss used Aura Sphere. Jirachi lost 28% of its health. Jirachi used Ice Punch. It's super effective! Togekiss lost 45% of its health. Jirachi's leftovers restored its health a little! Jirachi restored 6% of its health. --- Deck Knight switched in Voodoom (lvl 100 Voodoom ?). Jirachi used Ice Punch. Voodoom lost 23% of its health. Voodoom's leftovers restored its health a little! Voodoom restored 6% of its health. Jirachi's leftovers restored its health a little! Jirachi restored 6% of its health. --- Voodoom used Thunder Wave. Jirachi is paralysed! It may be unable to move! Jirachi is paralysed! It can't move! Voodoom's leftovers restored its health a little! Voodoom restored 6% of its health. Jirachi's leftovers restored its health a little! Jirachi restored 6% of its health. --- Voodoom used Dark Pulse. Jirachi lost 31% of its health. Jirachi flinched! Voodoom's leftovers restored its health a little! Voodoom restored 6% of its health. Jirachi's leftovers restored its health a little! Jirachi restored 6% of its health. --- Voodoom used Dark Pulse. Jirachi lost 31% of its health. Jirachi flinched! Voodoom's leftovers restored its health a little! Voodoom restored 4% of its health. Jirachi's leftovers restored its health a little! Jirachi restored 6% of its health. --- Voodoom used Dark Pulse. Jirachi lost 9% of its health. Rising_Dusk's Jirachi fainted. --- Rising_Dusk switched in Voodumb (lvl 100 Voodoom ?). Pointed stones dug into Voodumb. Voodumb lost 6% of its health. iThrobHard has entered the room. Voodumb used Aura Sphere. It's super effective! Voodoom lost 95% of its health. Voodoom used Dark Pulse. It's not very effective... Voodumb lost 8% of its health. Voodoom's leftovers restored its health a little! Voodoom restored 6% of its health. --- Voodumb used Aura Sphere. It's super effective! A critical hit! Voodoom lost 12% of its health. Deck Knight's Voodoom fainted. --- Deck Knight switched in Togekiss (lvl 100 Togekiss ?). Voodumb used Aura Sphere. Togekiss lost 33% of its health. Togekiss used Aura Sphere. It's super effective! Voodumb lost 57% of its health. Rising_Dusk's Voodumb fainted. --- Rising_Dusk switched in Heatran (lvl 100 Heatran ?). Pointed stones dug into Heatran. Heatran lost 12% of its health. Rising_Dusk: Gg Deck Knight: gg Togekiss used Aura Sphere. It's super effective! Heatran lost 35% of its health. Rising_Dusk's Heatran fainted. Deck Knight wins! Commentary Commentary elevator music: yeah reachzero: for the flinch chance elevator music: I was thinking that in my head MSB has left the room. macle: i was betting on rd Deck Knight: Sweatin' Bullets Rising_Dusk: He had Aura Sphere though Rising_Dusk: Not sure why he kept using Dark Pulse. reachzero: you reachzero: I mean reachzero: at the end Deck Knight: I did not have Aura Sphere DougJustDoug: That was a roller-coaster battle reachzero: Rising_Dusk reachzero: should have switched Rising_Dusk: Aura Sphere hits Kiss harder than DPulse though. Deck Knight: I have trolled Dusk with the set I posted in the topic. reachzero: to Heatran Rising_Dusk: But maybe flinch hax, yes, lol. DougJustDoug: Big flinch on Rachi there at the end Deck Knight: Good thing I won >_> Deck Knight: Eh, Kiss would have just Aura Sphered anyway, he'd have needed a Dpulse flinch on Kiss to win. elevator music: yeah Rising_Dusk: Yeah, better than a 0% chance I guess. elevator music: but thats better than just hoping for crit Rising_Dusk: Although you should've just aura sphered my Voodoom. elevator music has left the room. Rising_Dusk: And won with Togekiss+Voodoom left. Rising_Dusk: That would've been nice. :) capefeather: yeah that would have been pretty epic Deck Knight: I say Voodoom made Kiss an offensive threat with para support >_> Deck Knight: That'sa my story capefeather: but honestly this fulfilled exactly what i saw togedoom doing Rising_Dusk: I say if I had actually gone through with using Heracross I would've maimed your team. :P Deck Knight: Gyarados yum :-D Rising_Dusk: I had Zapdos! Deck Knight: Zapdos too weak for Voodoom :-D capefeather: obviously he had eq / se / bounce capefeather: :P Deck Knight: Nah, I figured between Doom and Jolteon Zapdos wasn't a huge problem. DougJustDoug: Bounce was an interesting call with your Gyar DK Rising_Dusk: I ALMOST got it off Deck Knight: Voodoom everywhere. Rising_Dusk: I was one hot step from getting the NP to Voodoom. Rising_Dusk: With a Scarf. Rising_Dusk: But the Air Slash would've KOd. :( capefeather: yup Rising_Dusk: That was my ultimate goal. Rising_Dusk: Agili+NP Pass to Voodoom. Deck Knight: Out teams were similar, Togekiss/Voodoom/mon that ends in "dos" Rising_Dusk: Fortunately you didn't use Tyranitar, lawl. Rising_Dusk: Or Dragonite. Rising_Dusk: I ran Ice Punch on Jirachi for Toge/Nite Rising_Dusk: Iron Head for TTar. Rising_Dusk: But oof, that's all I had. DougJustDoug: I liked the battle. One of closest inaugurals we've ever had. Rising_Dusk: Yeah that was a blast. DougJustDoug: Too often the first battle is a runaway Rising_Dusk: I'm glad we both tried something crazy. DougJustDoug: Togekiss as last pokemon standing is kinda cool for the concept... Rising_Dusk: Yeah! Rising_Dusk: I made a mistake trying to baton pass my NP. Rising_Dusk: I could've roosted off the aura sphere and setup on his Togekiss. Deck Knight: Err Deck Knight: Roost on Aura Sphere? Rising_Dusk: But I really wanted to do it. Deck Knight: Considering my Kiss was slower.... Rising_Dusk: Well I figured you were expecting the pass and would air slash! Rising_Dusk: My move wasn't the logical one. Deck Knight: I figured you were going to pass to something that would resist Air Slash Deck Knight: SO I used Aura Sphere instead Rising_Dusk: You knew my whole team! Lol. xD -Steel has entered the room. reachzero has left the room. -Steel has left the room. Deck Knight: TBH I should have DD'd with Gyara again before Bounce since Cune's HP Elec couldn't 2HKO, (I moved SpD from standard Bulkydos) Rising_Dusk: Yeah, mad SpD investment. Rising_Dusk: And I was using a bulky spread without LO either. Deck Knight: If Gyara got through Cune you'd have been so screwed lol Housefantastic has entered the room. Housefantastic has left the room. Rising_Dusk: At +2? Yeah. Rising_Dusk: At +1, not so much. Deck Knight: It was at +2/+4 then lol Deck Knight: If I DD"f anyway Rising_Dusk: Oh yeah, haha, agility. Rising_Dusk: SubPass Jolteon was cool. Deck Knight: I was like "what if I passed Bulk Up and Agility to Gyara so I could DD...." Deck Knight: Jolly Gyara anyway, just in case there were Jolteon about. Rising_Dusk: Aye. Deck Knight: ALthough I thought CUne was going to Roar so I just attacked. Rising_Dusk: To be fair, for a Voodoom metagame, I had not nearly enough Fighting resists. Deck Knight: That's why the last move was Bounce, in case I needed to evade Roar. Rising_Dusk: I wanted to run Rotom-A to spite Togekiss. Rising_Dusk: Lol. DougJustDoug: I figured you were gonna DD again Rising_Dusk: I like how I missed 2 Fire Blasts early game. Deck Knight: Then I missed Zen Headbutt and was critted. Rising_Dusk: And got flinch haxed by Voodoom at the end, lol. Deck Knight: I should have just blown up on the stupid thing DougJustDoug: Yeah, you overcame some big hax Rising_Dusk: Was that a ColburZelf? Deck Knight: Yeah Rising_Dusk: Looked like it to me. Rising_Dusk: Yeah. Deck Knight: LeadChamps are notorious in inaugural battles. Rising_Dusk: I considered Machamp. Rising_Dusk: But I figured it was redundant with Voodoom. Deck Knight: Especially ones with Guts and Dynamicpunch ookiecookie has left the room. Rising_Dusk: And I wanted something to cover opposing Heatran and stuff. Rising_Dusk: Idk, lol. Rising_Dusk: I was expecting you to use like lead Metagross or something. Rising_Dusk: I almost did. Deck Knight: Also I wanted to use the Full Support set I posted in pre-playtesting just to troll you if I won >_> Rising_Dusk: Amusingly, it trolled me damned well Rising_Dusk: :P Rising_Dusk: It's still AC material, IMO, but we'll see what playtesting says! Deck Knight: It currently has a perfect record. Deck Knight: Therefore I am retiring it. Rising_Dusk: Ahaha. Rising_Dusk: Well, shall we? Rising_Dusk: I'll post this log in the playtest thread for amusement. Deck Knight: Sure. Rising_Dusk: GG Deck Knight: Once Doug gets the playtest thread up Deck Knight: GG ((In retrospect and after reviewing the log, it seems as though he didn't have Aura Sphere on Voodoom! I could've totally won the match if I had noticed and sent out my own Voodoom into his, but that's how the cookie crumbles. GG!)) Anyway, here's to another round of playtest, everyone!

Aug 26th, 2010, 6:07:34 AM	#4
Azule Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 178 There.	Been playtesting since this morning and I can say that ZapDoomKiss is a pretty powerful trio. BP Zapdos seems to be everywhere. __________________ wtf is this.

Aug 26th, 2010, 8:19:46 AM	#7
PenguinX slow loris ˁ(⦿ᴥ⦿)ˀ Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 420	Been testing out a trick Macho Brace Rotom-H which has been working decently so far, as it can switch in onto Togekiss and then Tricks a Macho Brace onto a predicted Voodoom switch, which pretty much cripples Offensive Voodoom. Sure it's gimmicky, but a lot of the common stuff on the ladder won't like to take a Macho Brace either. Togekiss, Heracross, Starmie and Zapdos all hate Macho Brace as well. __________________ http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mc...ho5ko1_400.gif

Aug 26th, 2010, 11:13:16 AM	#9
Boss jr. Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 46	:D Voodoom was really fun to use and I love how Volt Absorb can surprise people. I still have a BP/Bulk Up set I have to test later, but over all I think Voodoom is really cool and veratile :) . Sorry, I didn't save any of my logs :( . __________________ Please visit my album and comment on all aspects of my current Fakemon, Giantree. Your feedback is greatly appreciated. (Giantree creation status: Movepool Phase)

Aug 26th, 2010, 2:19:07 AM	#3
LouisCyphre heralds disaster. Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 2,206 fucking majestic	Awesome start to the testing period, I'd say! Looking forward to some Voodoom action. __________________ (CAP ASB \| ASB Ref \| Battle Pike \| ASB Labyrinth \| ASB Inquisition) If I am late for something, remind me that it exists on my wall or in IRC. I'll never remember otherwise. 15:31 <DHR> isnt cocke supposed to go up your nose?

Aug 26th, 2010, 7:26:51 AM	#5
eXeggutoraped Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 51 melbourne, australia	why zapdos though? fighting resist?

Aug 26th, 2010, 7:52:49 AM	#6
Arcanite Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,253	Very effective Late gema cleaner set IMO: Voodoom: Nature: Timid Ability: Volt Absorb Item: Life Orb EVs: 240 Speed (Outruns +speed nature Aerodactyl and Crobat, nothing notable is outrun with 252) 252 Special Atack (Hits as hard as possible) 16 Defence (Already has 321 HP which is a good life orb number, and is probably more scared of Physical) Moves: Aura Sphere (Stab) Dark Pulse (Stab) Hidden Power (I chose Grass for swampert, although rock would work well IMO for Zapdos and Slightly better Vs. Kiss) Vacuum Wave (does 56.1% - 66% Vs. Neutral nature no Special defence voodoom, 61.7% - 72.9% Vs. Naive, and priority is great in general)

Aug 26th, 2010, 9:21:58 AM	#8
~~bubbly~~ Banned deucer. Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 884 Australia	Did someone say ZapDoomKiss? Yeah, I've been using that and getting great results just running BPass on all three and just accumulating boosts. I normally pass an Agility first, after which I can get off a Baton Pass from all of them before their counters attack. Between them they can handle almost any threat in the metagame. The problem is everyone else is using them. Zapdos, by the way, is potentially going to benefit more than the predicted "collateral damage" like Gyarados due to its main few switch ins, Tyranitar and Rotom-A for instance, being easily handled.

Aug 26th, 2010, 11:15:29 AM	#10
tennisace RIDE OR DIE MOTHERFUCKERS ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 5,244	I tried just DoomKiss and I was thoroughly underwhelmed, though I never really play with BP teams. It's a lot of work for a little more reward than if you just attacked those turns. So, currently I'm trying out some other cool things! I will say that Scizor is excellent. You know how Voodoom can't KO Scizor with Aura Sphere? SD in his face and KO with Bullet Punch, then proceed to survive Starmie's attacks and KO it too. I'm using Voodoom as my Zapdos/Rotom-A check and the team is finally clicking. __________________ ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ

Aug 26th, 2010, 8:33:05 PM	#11
RaikouLover Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 2,430	I havent paid much attention to this but read over the analysis surprised no mention of Choice Specs set? Aura Sphere / Dark Pulse / HP Rock or Psychic / Vacuum Wave looks like just a faster Lucario with more switch-in opportunities. __________________ ImStillGood (Salamence) (M) @ Life Orb Trait: Intimidate EVs: 252 SAtk / 252 Spd Rash Nature (+SAtk, -SDef) Draco Meteor / Flamethrower / Brick Break / Roost

Aug 26th, 2010, 9:53:33 PM	#13
MetaGross66 Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 547	I don't know how DoomKiss was underwhelming for you. It works amazingly well with Jolteon passing Agility and subs. I've swept whole teams with it, and even reached #3 on the Playtest leaderboard, though I doubt it'll stay like that for long. DoomKiss is a really consistent winning core for me at least. I've been running an all out attacker Voodoom using Dark Pulse, Aura sphere, Vacuum Wave, and Psychic.

Aug 27th, 2010, 1:13:30 AM	#15
Ice-eyes Simper Fi Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 1,658	Specially Defensive Skarmory + Voodoom completely annihilates the metagame. Phazer is nice to have as well. __________________ 22:36 <MMF> cunt is my favorite

Aug 27th, 2010, 1:21:42 AM	#16
Umbreon Dan Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 3,185 kiss my ass, this is a holy site.	rest / talk gyarados has been holding my teams together. careful and a bit of special defense investment makes him the best doom counter. without roar though, he loses to bulk up :C __________________ 9.9 dan likes to ramble <@Fatecrashers> im really gay <@Fatecrashers> and i might fart rainbows

Aug 27th, 2010, 2:12:11 AM	#17
eXeggutoraped Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 51 melbourne, australia	doesn't gyarados resist superpower/close combat anyway?

Aug 27th, 2010, 2:19:09 AM	#18
Ice-eyes Simper Fi Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 1,658	Yeah, but Gyara just gets Bulked Up all over and then dies to Night Slash. __________________ 22:36 <MMF> cunt is my favorite

Aug 27th, 2010, 3:18:59 AM	#19
FlareBlitz This was never a story that would have a happy ending. Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 2,041 Somewhere on the edge of the bell curve	I have been having quite a bit of success with DoomRaptor. Well, not "quite a bit". I've only played like 10 games. Still... Voodoom is fully capable of dispatching Staraptor's primary counters in Rotom and Zapdos, and physical flying is such a fantastic attacking type that Staraptor can eat most teams alive with its LO set after those two are gone, especially since if you predict right you can easily 2hko all these specially defensive Skarmory running around (although they need to be Careful, Impish loses you the kill unless you have around 15% in residual damage on it). Brave Bird hits way harder than Togekiss' Air Slash too, which is definitely a plus. __________________ Everything was beautiful. Nothing hurt. I'm back, baby. Look for me in 5th gen UU!

Aug 27th, 2010, 9:47:56 AM	#21
Boss jr. Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 46	I tried that w/ a CurseLax to try and ditch the drops in speed (not like it matters) and get a couple boosts ahead when he switches in. I liked the result but didn't get to play with it alot because of connection issues. Voodoom should be able to thoroughly dispose of any CurseLax counters though. I'll play with the idea more later. __________________ Please visit my album and comment on all aspects of my current Fakemon, Giantree. Your feedback is greatly appreciated. (Giantree creation status: Movepool Phase)

Aug 27th, 2010, 10:40:30 AM	#22
EdgeHead Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 83	Before I go out and make a team with Voodoom, I'm fighting in the ladder with my normal team to see how it works best. Honestly, Voodoom has yet to give me any serious trouble. __________________ Pokemon Silver Nuzlocke Challenge Badges: 2 Current Team: Torch (Quilava) lvl 20/Reed (Hoothoot) lvl 15/Fungy (Paras) lvl 10/Tira (Hoothoot) lvl 14/Dimitri (Drowzee) lvl 14/Grapes (Wooper) lvl 15

Aug 27th, 2010, 11:24:53 AM	#23
Boss jr. Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 46	Lol, that's funny because there were more than a few times when I went "Oh F*! Voodoom! D: " Who I'm hoping will be a little less common after the playtesting because with Aura Sphere it destroys my CurseLax :'( . Easy fix though...... Azelf go BOOM! __________________ Please visit my album and comment on all aspects of my current Fakemon, Giantree. Your feedback is greatly appreciated. (Giantree creation status: Movepool Phase)**

Aug 27th, 2010, 12:10:26 PM	#24
tophway Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 347	LO Aerodactyl looked nice in theory as I was having trouble with all the birds/gyara. Stone Edge OHKOs all Togekiss without defense EVs, and all Zapdos that arent physically defensive (who still fall with SR damage). Aerial Ace is pitiful but it grabs 82.9% - 97.8% on offensive Voodooms, so a pretty solid chance to KO considering the possibility of rocks and LO recoil. Always fun for late game cleaning and has been working alright, havent found the perfect partners for him yet though.