Pokemon that benefit the most from Dream World (They see me Update'n,) - Page 4

DanielG · Sep 18th, 2010, 12:57:48 PM

Putting Breloom back on.

amphouse · Sep 18th, 2010, 1:04:09 PM

I see this as an article in the next smog. I don't think volt absorb raises Sp. attack, that's Lightning Rod. Also, Crawdaunt gets Adaptibility! It's still bad, but it's BETTER.
Also, you need to put up Water Absorb Suicune, especially with all these rain teams.

Uncommon Madness · Sep 18th, 2010, 1:04:12 PM

Sharpedo

Dream World Ability: Speed Boost
MOVES: Lv1:Feint, Lv1: Leer, Lv1: Bite, Lv1: Rage, Lv1: Focus Energy, Lv6: Rage, Lv8: Focus Energy, Lv11: Scary Face, Lv16: Ice Fang, Lv18: Screech, Lv21: Swagger, Lv26: Assurance, Lv28: Crunch, Lv30: Slash, Lv34: Aqua Jet, Lv40: Taunt, Lv45: Agility, Lv50: Skull Bash, Lv56: Night Slash

Ability Characteristics:
This Pokémon's Speed is boosted one stage at the end of each turn.

Pros:
With great base 120 Atk and 95 SAtk it can act as an incredible mixed sweeper in every tier. Once fast scarfers and Pokémon carrying priority moves are gone it packs enough power to easily pull off a late game sweep especially if you pair it with DrizzleToed and entry hazard support.

Cons: Losing Rough Skin is definately not a big deal. Sharpedo has paper thin defenses and can be revenge killed with almost every priority move in the game so it's advised to scout for possible counters before attempting a sweep.

Milo1985beau · Sep 18th, 2010, 1:08:40 PM

I'm thinking Zapdos with Lightening rod is going to be worth mentioning. Boosting that high SpAttack with STAB thunderbolt is going to be no laughing matter... or give it thunder on a rain abusing team and let it get hit by thunder.... then it destroys...

cosmicexplorer · Sep 18th, 2010, 1:09:03 PM

Just asking again because Gyarados definitely deserves to go in the OP if it's true: does Gyarados get Earthquake Spiral from the Dream World?

amphouse · Sep 18th, 2010, 1:09:06 PM

Like I said, you need pokemon to absorb water with all this rain. Also, will Entei be able to use both it's new event moves and flash fire? I don't think so. Without those moves, Entei has a terrible movepool.

JLance · Sep 18th, 2010, 1:10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat amphouse

I don't think volt absorb raises Sp. attack, that's Lightning Rod. .

Ok, thanks, my bad, You just wanna edit that for me DanielG. Knew it was one of those two

DanielG · Sep 18th, 2010, 1:18:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Uncommon Madness

Sharpedo

Dream World Ability: Speed Boost
MOVES: Lv1:Feint, Lv1: Leer, Lv1: Bite, Lv1: Rage, Lv1: Focus Energy, Lv6: Rage, Lv8: Focus Energy, Lv11: Scary Face, Lv16: Ice Fang, Lv18: Screech, Lv21: Swagger, Lv26: Assurance, Lv28: Crunch, Lv30: Slash, Lv34: Aqua Jet, Lv40: Taunt, Lv45: Agility, Lv50: Skull Bash, Lv56: Night Slash

Ability Characteristics:
This Pokémon's Speed is boosted one stage at the end of each turn.

Pros:
With great base 120 Atk and 95 SAtk it can act as an incredible mixed sweeper in every tier. Once fast scarfers and Pokémon carrying priority moves are gone it packs enough power to easily pull off a late game sweep especially if you pair it with DrizzleToed and entry hazard support.

Cons: Losing Rough Skin is definately not a big deal. Sharpedo has paper thin defenses and can be revenge killed with almost every priority move in the game so it's advised to scout for possible counters before attempting a sweep.

Thanks Man, Im editing this in. =]

@Jlance, don't worry, I shall fix it. =]

DanielG · Sep 18th, 2010, 1:32:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat cosmicexplorer

Just asking again because Gyarados definitely deserves to go in the OP if it's true: does Gyarados get Earthquake Spiral from the Dream World?

Yeah, I believe so. I would need to double check first.

GLS · Sep 18th, 2010, 1:33:54 PM

Just a quick correction for the Venusaur write up. Jumpluff will be the fastest sub-seeder in the sun. I don't think Venusaur is getting up to 700 speed.

Ace Emerald · Sep 18th, 2010, 1:41:15 PM

Where is kokoromori? Base 114 speed plus calm mind for an instant plus 2 sp attack with simple.

cosmicexplorer · Sep 18th, 2010, 1:43:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat King Emerald

Where is kokoromori? Base 114 speed plus calm mind for an instant plus 2 sp attack with simple.

This thread is for improvements to D/P pokemon, not B/W pokemon. Also mention the reason for putting Hi Jump Kick on Blaziken, that it's now 130 BP. Someone reading it without knowing that might be confused.

Aqueos · Sep 18th, 2010, 1:44:48 PM

Venasaur is not the fastest subseeder in the sun. Jumpluff has clorophyll too you know. And some of this is theorymoning until we find out if you can breed in dream world abilities and stuff. Bullet seed is lol. Regice got ice body, so now stallrein will have to compete with Stallice.

evolutia · Sep 18th, 2010, 1:46:24 PM

Emonga

Dream World Ability: Motor Drive

Moves[#587]: Lv1: ThunderShock, Lv4: Quick Attack, Lv7: Tail Whip, Lv10: Charge, Lv13: Spark, Lv16: Pursuit, Lv19: Double Team, Lv22: Shock Wave, Lv26: [M486], Lv30: [M512], Lv34: Light Screen, Lv38: Encore, Lv42: [M521], Lv46: Agility, Lv50: Discharge

Ability Characteristics:
When hit with an Electric-type move, Speed is boosted 1 stage.

Pro's:
Emonga may not look like much at first glance, however with Motor Drive and the new "Electi-Ball(As revealed in Coro-Coro) which functions as a reverse Gyro Ball, I think it could create a unique situation for itself. Emonga has a blistering 335 speed, after a Motor Drive boost it rises to 502. With Encore it can punish those pokemon who think they can use another move, other than the electric move to dispatch Emonga. With Emonga's speed after a boost, I don't think it would be at all uncommon to see a max power (150 BP) Electi-Ball.

Con's:
None. With Emonga's defenses, it's not ideal at all for it to take many hits for the chance to paralyze with it's other trait, Static.

(;3 I thought this thread could use a bit of B/W flavor).

JLance · Sep 18th, 2010, 1:50:35 PM

Thought I put that about Jumpluff, Know I was thinking that lol. But jumpluff will most likely not be seeing much action as compared to venusaur because of its weakness to Stealth rocks and its frailty.

Taruta · Sep 18th, 2010, 1:54:16 PM

Suicune

Dream world ability: Water Absorb

Ability Characteristic: Heals HP when hit by a water move

Pros: Do I even need to say it? Suicune entering in on water attacks for free heal is going to make SubCM Suicunes have an easier time switching in and getting free health

Cons: Lack of Pressure stall but who care really?

Zapdos

Dream Ability: Lightning Rod

Ability Characteristics: Draw electric attacks towards it and boost it's Special Attack when hit by it

Pros: Zapdos gaining an attack boost is DEADLY. Working off the base 125 special attack will make him a force to be reckoned with. In doubles/Triples you can definently see this guy protecting it's team mates and giving his opponents a boosted Thunderbolt Attack.

Cons: See Suicune

How have these 2 not been added yet?

JLance · Sep 18th, 2010, 1:55:20 PM

Ah, I was just doing zapdos. :/

DashB · Sep 18th, 2010, 2:05:35 PM

Fun fact: On triple matches, Politoed (Choice Scarf, Max Speed and SpAtk, Timid/Modest) + Ampharos + Magnetric = instant boosted ThunderDancing, with a water move to cover for EQ users.

~Yadoking~ · Sep 18th, 2010, 2:10:22 PM

Or Gigigear : )

cosmicexplorer · Sep 18th, 2010, 2:17:20 PM

@evolutia: Although Emonga has an excellent Dream World ability, this thread is specifically for improvements to D/P pokemon.

@Taruta: Really any Suicune besides offensive Suicune likes Pressure more than Water Absorb, it lets them stall effectively and hold its own in a stall war. Also, SubRoost Zapdos will want Pressure more than Lightningrod, but the other variants will want Lightningrod, as you said.

@DanielG: If it does, I won't be able to write it because I'll be offline for the next few hours, so if you can figure it out for sure before then, can you or someone else write it?

DanielG · Sep 18th, 2010, 2:25:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat cosmicexplorer

This thread is for improvements to D/P pokemon, not B/W pokemon. Also mention the reason for putting Hi Jump Kick on Blaziken, that it's now 130 BP. Someone reading it without knowing that might be confused.

Ah, thanks. I shall edit that in now.

JLance · Sep 18th, 2010, 2:27:13 PM

Heres more.

Dream World Ability: Rain Dish

Ability Characteristics:
Heals 1/16 max HP in rain.

Pros:
Tentacruel has always been found on stall thanks to its ability to carry toxic spikes and rapid spin, come in and absorb toxic spikes and its good special defense. Now, if rain is up, tentacruel is gonna be sticking around for awhile thanks to rain dish. With both rain dish and leftovers Tentacruel will be restoring 1/8 of its health every turn, in the rain. And thanks to drizzle politoed, the rain won't end in 5 turns but will endless, until the weather changes.

Cons:
There really are none. Clear body never did anything for Tentacruel since he doesn't try to sweep and Liquid ooze only really help against leech seed in the ou meta-game, but rapid spin gets rid of leech seed anyway so, no loss.

monster · Sep 18th, 2010, 2:27:48 PM

Hmm so Electivire can now switch into Sleep moves. That's probably worth mentioning.

Full_Korbe · Sep 18th, 2010, 2:29:30 PM

Dream World ability: Cloud Nine

Ability Characteristic: Eliminates the effects of weather.

Pros: With Drought & Drizzle and new offensive capacities with Sandstorm, weather will be omnipresent in OU. With Cloud Nine Lickilicky can abuse to its good overall capacites, great offensive and support movepool. He can eliminate quickly Politoed, and put a serious dent in Ninetales.

Cons: Lack of Obvious ? Stop laughing. No Tempo Perso ? A great loss, knowing he is weak to the main confusion-inducer. No drawback.

DanielG · Sep 18th, 2010, 2:34:01 PM

Getting some submissions in, thanks lance!

@evolutia, sorry, but I am only including changes to D/P =[

Sep 18th, 2010, 12:57:48 PM	#76
DanielG Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 137 Cleveland OH	Putting Breloom back on. __________________ I use Photoshop 8. I do requests for the request thread in Smeargle's Studio.

Sep 18th, 2010, 1:04:12 PM	#78
Uncommon Madness Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 123 Plastic Beach	Sharpedo Dream World Ability: Speed Boost MOVES: Lv1:Feint, Lv1: Leer, Lv1: Bite, Lv1: Rage, Lv1: Focus Energy, Lv6: Rage, Lv8: Focus Energy, Lv11: Scary Face, Lv16: Ice Fang, Lv18: Screech, Lv21: Swagger, Lv26: Assurance, Lv28: Crunch, Lv30: Slash, Lv34: Aqua Jet, Lv40: Taunt, Lv45: Agility, Lv50: Skull Bash, Lv56: Night Slash Ability Characteristics: This Pokémon's Speed is boosted one stage at the end of each turn. Pros: With great base 120 Atk and 95 SAtk it can act as an incredible mixed sweeper in every tier. Once fast scarfers and Pokémon carrying priority moves are gone it packs enough power to easily pull off a late game sweep especially if you pair it with DrizzleToed and entry hazard support. Cons: Losing Rough Skin is definately not a big deal. Sharpedo has paper thin defenses and can be revenge killed with almost every priority move in the game so it's advised to scout for possible counters before attempting a sweep. __________________ ...

Sep 18th, 2010, 1:08:40 PM	#79
Milo1985beau Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 3	I'm thinking Zapdos with Lightening rod is going to be worth mentioning. Boosting that high SpAttack with STAB thunderbolt is going to be no laughing matter... or give it thunder on a rain abusing team and let it get hit by thunder.... then it destroys... __________________ FC 1806 4926 3107 My pokemon are hacked but are all legal stats. If that bothers you, don't battle me :)

Sep 18th, 2010, 1:09:03 PM	#80
cosmicexplorer pewpewpew Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,555 Bethesda, MD	Just asking again because Gyarados definitely deserves to go in the OP if it's true: does Gyarados get Earthquake Spiral from the Dream World? __________________ FATECRASHERS MADE MY AVATAR! Go look at more art! Currently out, college apps are poison. C&Cers, contact me if you need any help with anything important. Sorry!

Sep 18th, 2010, 1:41:15 PM	#86
Ace Emerald Greatest Team Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,233 Lost in thought Mentor	Where is kokoromori? Base 114 speed plus calm mind for an instant plus 2 sp attack with simple. __________________ \|UU Hub\|Work\|

Sep 18th, 2010, 1:04:09 PM	#77
amphouse Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 52 Behind Dual Screens	I see this as an article in the next smog. I don't think volt absorb raises Sp. attack, that's Lightning Rod. Also, Crawdaunt gets Adaptibility! It's still bad, but it's BETTER. Also, you need to put up Water Absorb Suicune, especially with all these rain teams.

Sep 18th, 2010, 1:09:06 PM	#81
amphouse Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 52 Behind Dual Screens	Like I said, you need pokemon to absorb water with all this rain. Also, will Entei be able to use both it's new event moves and flash fire? I don't think so. Without those moves, Entei has a terrible movepool.

Sep 18th, 2010, 1:33:54 PM	#85
GLS Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 113	Just a quick correction for the Venusaur write up. Jumpluff will be the fastest sub-seeder in the sun. I don't think Venusaur is getting up to 700 speed.

Sep 18th, 2010, 1:44:48 PM	#88
Aqueos Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 747 Slaving away for VGC	Venasaur is not the fastest subseeder in the sun. Jumpluff has clorophyll too you know. And some of this is theorymoning until we find out if you can breed in dream world abilities and stuff. Bullet seed is lol. Regice got ice body, so now stallrein will have to compete with Stallice. __________________ My Black FC:4040 6014 4141 My Trade Thread Aqua Falls If I cmt in your thread respond in mine.

Sep 18th, 2010, 1:46:24 PM	#89
evolutia Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 608	Emonga Dream World Ability: Motor Drive Moves[#587]: Lv1: ThunderShock, Lv4: Quick Attack, Lv7: Tail Whip, Lv10: Charge, Lv13: Spark, Lv16: Pursuit, Lv19: Double Team, Lv22: Shock Wave, Lv26: [M486], Lv30: [M512], Lv34: Light Screen, Lv38: Encore, Lv42: [M521], Lv46: Agility, Lv50: Discharge Ability Characteristics: When hit with an Electric-type move, Speed is boosted 1 stage. Pro's: Emonga may not look like much at first glance, however with Motor Drive and the new "Electi-Ball(As revealed in Coro-Coro) which functions as a reverse Gyro Ball, I think it could create a unique situation for itself. Emonga has a blistering 335 speed, after a Motor Drive boost it rises to 502. With Encore it can punish those pokemon who think they can use another move, other than the electric move to dispatch Emonga. With Emonga's speed after a boost, I don't think it would be at all uncommon to see a max power (150 BP) Electi-Ball. Con's: None. With Emonga's defenses, it's not ideal at all for it to take many hits for the chance to paralyze with it's other trait, Static. (;3 I thought this thread could use a bit of B/W flavor).

Sep 18th, 2010, 1:50:35 PM	#90
JLance Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 95	Thought I put that about Jumpluff, Know I was thinking that lol. But jumpluff will most likely not be seeing much action as compared to venusaur because of its weakness to Stealth rocks and its frailty. __________________ "People live their lives bound by what they accept as correct and true. That's how they define "reality". But what does it mean to be "correct" or "true"? Merely vague concepts ... their "reality" may all be a mirage. Can we consider them to simply be living in their own world, shaped by their beliefs?"

Sep 18th, 2010, 1:54:16 PM	#91
Taruta Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 90	Suicune Dream world ability: Water Absorb Ability Characteristic: Heals HP when hit by a water move Pros: Do I even need to say it? Suicune entering in on water attacks for free heal is going to make SubCM Suicunes have an easier time switching in and getting free health Cons: Lack of Pressure stall but who care really? Zapdos Dream Ability: Lightning Rod Ability Characteristics: Draw electric attacks towards it and boost it's Special Attack when hit by it Pros: Zapdos gaining an attack boost is DEADLY. Working off the base 125 special attack will make him a force to be reckoned with. In doubles/Triples you can definently see this guy protecting it's team mates and giving his opponents a boosted Thunderbolt Attack. Cons: See Suicune How have these 2 not been added yet?

Sep 18th, 2010, 1:55:20 PM	#92
JLance Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 95	Ah, I was just doing zapdos. :/ __________________ "People live their lives bound by what they accept as correct and true. That's how they define "reality". But what does it mean to be "correct" or "true"? Merely vague concepts ... their "reality" may all be a mirage. Can we consider them to simply be living in their own world, shaped by their beliefs?"

Sep 18th, 2010, 2:05:35 PM	#93
DashB Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 4	Fun fact: On triple matches, Politoed (Choice Scarf, Max Speed and SpAtk, Timid/Modest) + Ampharos + Magnetric = instant boosted ThunderDancing, with a water move to cover for EQ users.

Sep 18th, 2010, 2:10:22 PM	#94
~Yadoking~ Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 87	Or Gigigear : )

Sep 18th, 2010, 2:17:20 PM	#95
cosmicexplorer pewpewpew Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,555 Bethesda, MD	@evolutia: Although Emonga has an excellent Dream World ability, this thread is specifically for improvements to D/P pokemon. @Taruta: Really any Suicune besides offensive Suicune likes Pressure more than Water Absorb, it lets them stall effectively and hold its own in a stall war. Also, SubRoost Zapdos will want Pressure more than Lightningrod, but the other variants will want Lightningrod, as you said. @DanielG: If it does, I won't be able to write it because I'll be offline for the next few hours, so if you can figure it out for sure before then, can you or someone else write it? __________________ FATECRASHERS MADE MY AVATAR! Go look at more art! Currently out, college apps are poison. C&Cers, contact me if you need any help with anything important. Sorry!

Sep 18th, 2010, 2:27:13 PM	#97
JLance Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 95	Heres more. Dream World Ability: Rain Dish Ability Characteristics: Heals 1/16 max HP in rain. Pros: Tentacruel has always been found on stall thanks to its ability to carry toxic spikes and rapid spin, come in and absorb toxic spikes and its good special defense. Now, if rain is up, tentacruel is gonna be sticking around for awhile thanks to rain dish. With both rain dish and leftovers Tentacruel will be restoring 1/8 of its health every turn, in the rain. And thanks to drizzle politoed, the rain won't end in 5 turns but will endless, until the weather changes. Cons: There really are none. Clear body never did anything for Tentacruel since he doesn't try to sweep and Liquid ooze only really help against leech seed in the ou meta-game, but rapid spin gets rid of leech seed anyway so, no loss. __________________ "People live their lives bound by what they accept as correct and true. That's how they define "reality". But what does it mean to be "correct" or "true"? Merely vague concepts ... their "reality" may all be a mirage. Can we consider them to simply be living in their own world, shaped by their beliefs?"

Sep 18th, 2010, 2:27:48 PM	#98
monster Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 85 Virginia	Hmm so Electivire can now switch into Sleep moves. That's probably worth mentioning. __________________ White FC: 0605 3536 3776

Sep 18th, 2010, 2:29:30 PM	#99
Full_Korbe Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 52 France	Dream World ability: Cloud Nine Ability Characteristic: Eliminates the effects of weather. Pros: With Drought & Drizzle and new offensive capacities with Sandstorm, weather will be omnipresent in OU. With Cloud Nine Lickilicky can abuse to its good overall capacites, great offensive and support movepool. He can eliminate quickly Politoed, and put a serious dent in Ninetales. Cons: Lack of Obvious ? Stop laughing. No Tempo Perso ? A great loss, knowing he is weak to the main confusion-inducer. No drawback.

Sep 18th, 2010, 2:34:01 PM	#100
DanielG Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 137 Cleveland OH	Getting some submissions in, thanks lance! @evolutia, sorry, but I am only including changes to D/P =[ __________________ I use Photoshop 8. I do requests for the request thread in Smeargle's Studio.