B&W Research Thread - Page 114

DDRMaster · Feb 25th, 2012, 7:56:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Somebody Anonymous

If I change my Shedninja's ability to Sturdy in battle, will it act as an upgraded WonderGuard? (You can change the ability by using worry seed then skill swap)

Yes. Shedinja will essentially be immune to all regular attacks but will still take damage from things like status and Sandstorm.

One thing that it won't do that Wonderguard would is make Shedinja immune to Dragon Tail. Dragon Tail will still force Shedinja out if it has Sturdy.

AOPSUser · Feb 26th, 2012, 2:38:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Somebody Anonymous

If I change my Shedninja's ability to Sturdy in battle, will it act as an upgraded WonderGuard? (You can change the ability by using worry seed then skill swap)

Yes, although it does not block secondary effects such as Scald's burn.

How do I know? Pokemon Showdown's Balanced Hackmons tier.

**V4Victini** · Feb 26th, 2012, 9:47:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat DDRMaster

Yes. Shedinja will essentially be immune to all regular attacks but will still take damage from things like status and Sandstorm.

One thing that it won't do that Wonderguard would is make Shedinja immune to Dragon Tail. Dragon Tail will still force Shedinja out if it has Sturdy.

Proof: See Vid: 37-83435-94408

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat AOPSUser

Yes, although it does not block secondary effects such as Scald's burn.

How do I know? Pokemon Showdown's Balanced Hackmons tier.

PS's Mechanics aren't always accurate. As in the case above D-Tail doesnt phaze Shedinja on PS but it does in-game

mattj · Feb 26th, 2012, 10:08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat AOPSUser

How do I know? Pokemon Showdown's Balanced Hackmons tier.

Respectfully, that's not proof of how it works ingame.

Galladez · Mar 6th, 2012, 11:51:31 PM

I was thinking of implementing a Weavile into my team as a sweeper. Upon looking for help on the Smogon website, it suggested having Low Kick as one of the moves. I can't find anywhere where it is possible for Weavile to learn Low Kick. Serebii says it is only learnable in gen IV.... any help would be appreciated, thanks.

AOPSUser · Mar 6th, 2012, 11:56:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Galladez

I was thinking of implementing a Weavile into my team as a sweeper. Upon looking for help on the Smogon website, it suggested having Low Kick as one of the moves. I can't find anywhere where it is possible for Weavile to learn Low Kick. Serebii says it is only learnable in gen IV.... any help would be appreciated, thanks.

Apparently, you would have to PokeTransfer it after having tutored it the move in Gen 4.

Galladez · Mar 7th, 2012, 12:49:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat AOPSUser

Apparently, you would have to PokeTransfer it after having tutored it the move in Gen 4.

Do you know if I would be able to use that Weavile to breed Low Kick to a new one then?

**R_N** · Mar 7th, 2012, 1:49:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Galladez

Do you know if I would be able to use that Weavile to breed Low Kick to a new one then?

If it's not an egg move or a TM move within that generation, you can't.

**blarajan** · Mar 11th, 2012, 11:39:23 PM

Does Power Swap work through Substitute?

MarvelScaleSamurai7k · Mar 12th, 2012, 11:02:22 AM

Apparently there is a lot more math to pokemon than i realized

juunichka · Mar 12th, 2012, 10:29:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat blarajan

Does Power Swap work through Substitute?

power swap cannot be blocked by substitute.

Bologo · Mar 14th, 2012, 5:37:18 PM

Hey, just out of curiosity, if a pokemon faster than mine uses Roost, and my pokemon uses Reflect Type in the same turn, which typing would Reflect Type give my pokemon?

I'm just wondering because Roost does remove their Flying-type for the turn, so I'm not sure if Reflect Type would take the target's regular typing, or their modified type from the faster Roost.

poccil · Mar 14th, 2012, 6:21:01 PM

In this case, the user of Reflect Type will have the Normal type if the opponent is a pure Flying type, or the type that isn't Flying if the opponent is a Flying type plus that type. My description for Roost reads, in part: "[U]ntil the end of the round ... effects treat user's types as the type other than Flying instead if the user is a Flying type and another type, or Normal instead if the user is a Flying type and no other type."

Sprocket · Mar 15th, 2012, 12:47:06 AM

Interesting discovery regarding Fling and Eject Button usage, provided it hasn't been discovered yet.

If a user of Fling uses it to toss a Flame Orb to an Eject Button user, the burn from Flame Orb will apply before the Eject Button triggers.

Sprocket · Mar 24th, 2012, 10:43:00 PM

Flying types that use Dig are still immune to Earthquake even during the charge turn.

Zacchaeus · Mar 29th, 2012, 5:52:18 PM

I will test both of these:

Quote:

The order that other ability based immunities activate (LightningRod, Storm Drain, Hyper Cutter, Clear Body, Insomnia, Etc.) when using a multi-target attack

Freeze Shock\Ice Burn: Do these moves appear as part of a combination attack with Reshiram\Zekrom's unique moves and Kyurem's unique moves? Test all combinations.

But can the ability immunity question be explained further? I'm not sure I understand what that one is looking for yet. I'm assuming the signature move question is asking for a relationship like Fusion Flare with Fusion Bolt

RockinX · Mar 30th, 2012, 9:10:30 AM

I think my friends triggered a glitch with Scald:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZaTdvzeSaU

Scald actually failed. It didn't miss, it didn't hit a target that wasn't there, it just failed.

My circle of friends often plays four player double battles. Four people from the group were playing, when suddenly, out of nowhere, that happened, as if the target had been statused and the Vaporeon had tried to Yawn the opponent.

Its video number on the GTS is 25-92783-45480 if anyone wants to see the whole battle. One of the guys was new, and another one forgot it wasn't a single battle, so forgive them for not having a very good battle there. Anyway, I'd like to know a possible explanation as to why it happened.

poccil · Mar 30th, 2012, 11:16:15 AM

I just tested this.

It's probably because your friend must have accidentally targeted his/her partner with Scald. In generation 5, when an attack targets an ally that isn't there, it doesn't go back and target an opposing Pokemon that is there. Moreover, generation 5 uses the message "But it failed!" rather than the message "But there was no target..." (as was the case in generation 4) when an attack fails because there is no target.

Therefore, Scald indeed tried to "hit a target that wasn't there".

RockinX · Mar 30th, 2012, 12:46:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat poccil

I just tested this.

It's probably because your friend must have accidentally targeted his/her partner with Scald. In generation 5, when an attack targets an ally that isn't there, it doesn't go back and target an opposing Pokemon that is there. Moreover, generation 5 uses the message "But it failed!" rather than the message "But there was no target..." (as was the case in generation 4) when an attack fails because there is no target.

Therefore, Scald indeed tried to "hit a target that wasn't there".

Seriously? That's so weird. Thanks, I'll let my friends know that was the case and to be extra careful so that it doesn't cost them the game.

Kaphotics · Mar 30th, 2012, 1:10:21 PM

Move Interpretation (from video data):

=========

Start of turn 22
Dario's Gallade used Close Combat on Acualan.
Cito's Acualan used Scald on Gallade.

Start of turn 23
Dario's Gallade used Leaf Blade on Acualan.
Cito's Acualan used Scald.

Start of turn 24
Dario's Gallade used Leaf Blade on Acualan.
Acualan fainted!
Cito's Acualan was trying to use Scald on Gallade.

....

Battle Instructions (from video data):

=========

Code:

94             - Start Turn 22
01 00 00 00 00 - No PKM on Field 
21 21 b9 00 00 - Gallade Close Combat 3rd PKM
41 91 fb 00 00 - Vaporeon Scald 2nd PKM
61 00 00 00 00 - No PKM on Field 

94             - Start Turn 23 
01 00 00 00 00 - No PKM on Field
21 21 ae 00 00 - Gallade Leaf Blade 3rd PKM
41 81 fb 00 00 - Vaporeon Scald Ally PKM 
61 00 00 00 00 - No PKM on Field

94             - Start Turn 24
01 00 00 00 00 - No PKM on Field 
21 21 ae 00 00 - Gallade Leaf Blade 3rd PKM 
41 91 fb 00 00 - Vaporeon Scald 2nd PKM
61 00 00 00 00 - No PKM on Field

Yep, misclicked ally.

RockinX · Mar 30th, 2012, 1:18:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Kaphotics

Move Interpretation (from video data):

=========

Start of turn 22
Dario's Gallade used Close Combat on Acualan.
Cito's Acualan used Scald on Gallade.

Start of turn 23
Dario's Gallade used Leaf Blade on Acualan.
Cito's Acualan used Scald.

Start of turn 24
Dario's Gallade used Leaf Blade on Acualan.
Acualan fainted!
Cito's Acualan was trying to use Scald on Gallade.

....

Battle Instructions (from video data):

=========

Code:

94             - Start Turn 22
01 00 00 00 00 - No PKM on Field 
21 21 b9 00 00 - Gallade Close Combat 3rd PKM
41 91 fb 00 00 - Vaporeon Scald 2nd PKM
61 00 00 00 00 - No PKM on Field 

94             - Start Turn 23 
01 00 00 00 00 - No PKM on Field
21 21 ae 00 00 - Gallade Leaf Blade 3rd PKM
41 81 fb 00 00 - Vaporeon Scald Ally PKM 
61 00 00 00 00 - No PKM on Field

94             - Start Turn 24
01 00 00 00 00 - No PKM on Field 
21 21 ae 00 00 - Gallade Leaf Blade 3rd PKM 
41 91 fb 00 00 - Vaporeon Scald 2nd PKM
61 00 00 00 00 - No PKM on Field

Yep, misclicked ally.

Haha, I would have been ok with just poccil's explanation, but scientific proof is always awesome!

DDRMaster · Mar 31st, 2012, 3:19:36 PM

If Magic Coat/Magic Bounce reflect a move with less than 100 Accuracy, does that move have two chances to miss or just one.

For example, are both of these scenarios possible:

Porygon2 use Magic Coat!
Darkrai used Dark Void!
Darkrai's attack missed!

Porygon2 used Magic Coat!
Darkrai used Dark Void!
Porygon2's Magic Coat reflected the attack!
Porygon2's attack missed! (or 'But it failed!' I'm not exactly sure how the game handles it)

poccil · Mar 31st, 2012, 3:45:31 PM

DDRMaster:

Magic Coat's effect resolves before the accuracy check. The accuracy check applies to the new user and opponent of the attack, thus here, the Pokemon that used Magic Coat (Porygon2) uses the attack against its previous user (Darkrai).

Therefore, the attack reflected with Magic Coat has only one chance to be avoided by the opponent. By the way, generation 5 always uses the message "[Opponent] avoided the attack!", never "[Attacker]'s attack missed!".

Zacchaeus · Mar 31st, 2012, 9:30:53 PM

I'm set to test out the prospective Kyurem signature moves in corelation to Zekrom and Reshiram signature moves but I lost my cartridge! Oh joy.

I'm still not sure what is meant by "The order that other ability based immunities activate (LightningRod, Storm Drain, Hyper Cutter, Clear Body, Insomnia, Etc.) when using a multi-target attack"

atsync · Mar 31st, 2012, 10:31:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Zacchaeus

I'm still not sure what is meant by "The order that other ability based immunities activate (LightningRod, Storm Drain, Hyper Cutter, Clear Body, Insomnia, Etc.) when using a multi-target attack"

Doesn't it just involve, for example, using Discharge in doubles on one pokemon with Lightningrod and another with Volt Absorb, and seeing which activates first?

Likewise, you could test other abilities, such as Water Absorb/Storm Drain against Surf, Vital Spirit/Insomnia against Dark Void, Hyper Cutter/Clear Body against Growl, Big Pecks/Clear Body against Tail Whip, etc.

That's how I interpreted the statement anyway.

Mar 6th, 2012, 11:51:31 PM	#2830
Galladez Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 2	Weavile and Low Kick? I was thinking of implementing a Weavile into my team as a sweeper. Upon looking for help on the Smogon website, it suggested having Low Kick as one of the moves. I can't find anywhere where it is possible for Weavile to learn Low Kick. Serebii says it is only learnable in gen IV.... any help would be appreciated, thanks. __________________ White FC - 3396 8466 9090

Mar 11th, 2012, 11:39:23 PM	#2834
blarajan no abuse pls Moderator Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 2,718 Mentor	Does Power Swap work through Substitute? __________________ Team Babby: Little Cup in Ubers RMT

Mar 14th, 2012, 6:21:01 PM	#2838
poccil Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 398	In this case, the user of Reflect Type will have the Normal type if the opponent is a pure Flying type, or the type that isn't Flying if the opponent is a Flying type plus that type. My description for Roost reads, in part: "[U]ntil the end of the round ... effects treat user's types as the type other than Flying instead if the user is a Flying type and another type, or Normal instead if the user is a Flying type and no other type." __________________ Peter O. of The Ultimate Pokemon Center (Make a donation) Last edited by poccil; Mar 15th, 2012 at 1:45:42 PM.

Mar 15th, 2012, 12:47:06 AM	#2839
Sprocket Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 1,487 Phoenix, AZ	Interesting discovery regarding Fling and Eject Button usage, provided it hasn't been discovered yet. If a user of Fling uses it to toss a Flame Orb to an Eject Button user, the burn from Flame Orb will apply before the Eject Button triggers. __________________ Black FC: 2537-3042-2350 VGC2012 Analysis: Slowbro (Uploaded)

Mar 24th, 2012, 10:43:00 PM	#2840
Sprocket Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 1,487 Phoenix, AZ	Flying types that use Dig are still immune to Earthquake even during the charge turn. __________________ Black FC: 2537-3042-2350 VGC2012 Analysis: Slowbro (Uploaded)

Mar 12th, 2012, 11:02:22 AM	#2835
MarvelScaleSamurai7k Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 23	Apparently there is a lot more math to pokemon than i realized

Mar 14th, 2012, 5:37:18 PM	#2837
Bologo Have fun with birds and bees. Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 2,828 Brampton, Ontario	Hey, just out of curiosity, if a pokemon faster than mine uses Roost, and my pokemon uses Reflect Type in the same turn, which typing would Reflect Type give my pokemon? I'm just wondering because Roost does remove their Flying-type for the turn, so I'm not sure if Reflect Type would take the target's regular typing, or their modified type from the faster Roost.

Mar 30th, 2012, 9:10:30 AM	#2842
RockinX My goal in life is to make everyone cringe with my bad puns Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 1,248	I think my friends triggered a glitch with Scald: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZaTdvzeSaU Scald actually failed. It didn't miss, it didn't hit a target that wasn't there, it just failed. My circle of friends often plays four player double battles. Four people from the group were playing, when suddenly, out of nowhere, that happened, as if the target had been statused and the Vaporeon had tried to Yawn the opponent. Its video number on the GTS is 25-92783-45480 if anyone wants to see the whole battle. One of the guys was new, and another one forgot it wasn't a single battle, so forgive them for not having a very good battle there. Anyway, I'd like to know a possible explanation as to why it happened. __________________ White: 4727-8034-9319 White 2: 4513-9096-8698 Joint trade thread with OmegaDonut If I ask for something on SQSR, don't link me to Pokecheck. If I were willing to use it, I wouldn't be asking for it there. My blog. I'm compiling a list of vocabulary used in Japanese game manuals to help me and other people learn the language of the Land of the Rising Sun. Last edited by ΩDonut; Mar 30th, 2012 at 9:18:41 AM. Reason: fixed broken link

Mar 30th, 2012, 11:16:15 AM	#2843
poccil Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 398	I just tested this. It's probably because your friend must have accidentally targeted his/her partner with Scald. In generation 5, when an attack targets an ally that isn't there, it doesn't go back and target an opposing Pokemon that is there. Moreover, generation 5 uses the message "But it failed!" rather than the message "But there was no target..." (as was the case in generation 4) when an attack fails because there is no target. Therefore, Scald indeed tried to "hit a target that wasn't there". __________________ Peter O. of The Ultimate Pokemon Center (Make a donation) Last edited by poccil; Mar 30th, 2012 at 12:41:53 PM.

Mar 30th, 2012, 1:10:21 PM	#2845
Kaphotics Remodeling Kitchens Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 758 Berkeley, CA	Move Interpretation (from video data): ========= Start of turn 22 Dario's Gallade used Close Combat on Acualan. Cito's Acualan used Scald on Gallade. Start of turn 23 Dario's Gallade used Leaf Blade on Acualan. Cito's Acualan used Scald. Start of turn 24 Dario's Gallade used Leaf Blade on Acualan. Acualan fainted! Cito's Acualan was trying to use Scald on Gallade. .... Battle Instructions (from video data): ========= Code: 94 - Start Turn 22 01 00 00 00 00 - No PKM on Field 21 21 b9 00 00 - Gallade Close Combat 3rd PKM 41 91 fb 00 00 - Vaporeon Scald 2nd PKM 61 00 00 00 00 - No PKM on Field 94 - Start Turn 23 01 00 00 00 00 - No PKM on Field 21 21 ae 00 00 - Gallade Leaf Blade 3rd PKM 41 81 fb 00 00 - Vaporeon Scald Ally PKM 61 00 00 00 00 - No PKM on Field 94 - Start Turn 24 01 00 00 00 00 - No PKM on Field 21 21 ae 00 00 - Gallade Leaf Blade 3rd PKM 41 91 fb 00 00 - Vaporeon Scald 2nd PKM 61 00 00 00 00 - No PKM on Field Yep, misclicked ally.

Mar 31st, 2012, 3:45:31 PM	#2848
poccil Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 398	DDRMaster: Magic Coat's effect resolves before the accuracy check. The accuracy check applies to the new user and opponent of the attack, thus here, the Pokemon that used Magic Coat (Porygon2) uses the attack against its previous user (Darkrai). Therefore, the attack reflected with Magic Coat has only one chance to be avoided by the opponent. By the way, generation 5 always uses the message "[Opponent] avoided the attack!", never "[Attacker]'s attack missed!". __________________ Peter O. of The Ultimate Pokemon Center (Make a donation)

Mar 31st, 2012, 9:30:53 PM	#2849
Zacchaeus Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 3,268	I'm set to test out the prospective Kyurem signature moves in corelation to Zekrom and Reshiram signature moves but I lost my cartridge! Oh joy. I'm still not sure what is meant by "The order that other ability based immunities activate (LightningRod, Storm Drain, Hyper Cutter, Clear Body, Insomnia, Etc.) when using a multi-target attack"