Dugtrio - Page 2

adventureguy · Oct 17th, 2010, 5:58:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Breludicolo

Have you ever played with dugtrio? It's the frailest thing to exist and not particularly strong (or blessed with a truly good movepool) either...

But it has arena trap, making it the only physical revenge killer that will guarantee a shot at hitting or at least effecting your desired target, as opposed to others that will only guarantee you get off an attack on their switch-in. Memento also gives it the option of turning the game around from a failed revenge-kill situation, again handing you complete control of the situation. Dugtrio's reliability isn't in its power, or obviously its defenses, but its speed and ground typing, as well as its ability to guarantee a result that you can choose freely from, even if the result may not be as crushing as something from garchomp.

In a team that NEEDS things like magnezone or shanderaa dead, instead of just hoping they won't switch out, there are quite simply no other options in physical revenge killers. EDIT: though I guess you could use a snorlax with pursuit for shanderaa, but dugtrio covers more than just dark-weak pokemon.

Chameleon · Oct 17th, 2010, 7:25:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat adventureguy

Given solid prediction abilities, choice scarf dugtrio could prove an excellent addition to many stall teams as an answer to blaziken and shanderaa, as well as an all-purpose trapper.

Dugtrio lloks good, and I tentatively agree with this. Jolly Scarf Dugtrio seems even more like a decent utility trapper this gen.

Anti-weather? (assuming 252 atk, 236 spe, jolly)
Always KOs 4/0 Tyranitar at 63.7% health or lower
Always KOs 0/4 Doryuuzu at 98.6% health or lower (outspeeds adamant varieties!)
Always KOs 4/0 Ninetales

And anti-trapper, because Shanderaa, Magnezone, (and most slower Dugtrio after SR) will fall, like said in the above post.

But dugtrio is generally unreliable because of pursuit, and people will pull their hair out if Balloon becomes popular because if your EQ misses you are dead 99% of the time.

breh · Oct 17th, 2010, 8:21:37 PM

My point is, even though it has a niche value, it sucks everywhere else.

Sure it can KO the weather changers, but what does it do after that? Act as setup fodder for damn near everything in the game? An unboosted Earthquake running off of 80 base is not the most threatening thing in the world...

To put it simply, there's good reason to Dugtrio's UU status in the 4th gen.

EDIT:

~~As far as I know max speed Doryuuzuu outruns Dugtrio period (558 vs. 604..); am I missing something?~~ Derp adamant only

If it only outspeeds Adamant Doryuuzu then what's the point? For practically every sweeper in existence, intelligent players should run max speed unless max attack gets some sort of KO.

1234gjy · Oct 17th, 2010, 8:26:45 PM

I tried Dugtrio once in Gen IV and I absolutely sucked with it. Everytime I try to trap kill something, it either does waaaaaay less than I expected resulting in it getting killed. Or stone edge plain misses on me.

**PK Gaming** · Oct 17th, 2010, 8:28:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Chameleon

Dugtrio lloks good, and I tentatively agree with this. Jolly Scarf Dugtrio seems even more like a decent utility trapper this gen.

Anti-weather? (assuming 252 atk, 236 spe, jolly)
Always KOs 4/0 Tyranitar at 63.7% health or lower
Always KOs 0/4 Doryuuzu at 98.6% health or lower (outspeeds adamant varieties!)
Always KOs 4/0 Ninetales

And anti-trapper, because Shanderaa, Magnezone, (and most slower Dugtrio after SR) will fall, like said in the above post.

But dugtrio is generally unreliable because of pursuit, and people will pull their hair out if Balloon becomes popular because if your EQ misses you are dead 99% of the time.

I'd like to point out that most (if not all) Doryuuzu's are Jolly. You need Jolly so you can speed tie with opposing Doryuuzu's.

Chameleon · Oct 17th, 2010, 10:04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat PK Gaming

I'd like to point out that most (if not all) Doryuuzu's are Jolly. You need Jolly so you can speed tie with opposing Doryuuzu's.

Jolly... Darn, that's bad. I should have read more of Doryuuzu's thread.

And as to being setup fodder, that's definetely true. Memento can help avoid that especially for non-choice sets (get your kill and promote a set-up). I guess I agree with you there, it has a lot of flaws, but can trap certain pokemon in all tiers like no other.

alphatron · Oct 17th, 2010, 10:37:58 PM

Balloon doesn't bother dugtrio revengers unless magnezone is the one holding it.

shrang · Oct 30th, 2010, 5:45:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Wynought

name: Physical Shandera
move 1: Substitute
move 2: Claw Sharpen
move 3: Earthquake / Fissure? lol
move 4: Sucker Punch / Stone Edge
ability: Arena Trap
item: Life Orb / Leftovers
nature: Jolly
evs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe

The idea is simple, switch into an obvious Wall who can't touch you without the use of Status inflicting moves, which is where Substitute becomes really handy. Once safely behind a Sub, raise your Attack and Accuracy and sweepity sweep sweep.

Yes. Use this set (Get rid of Fissure/Sucker Punch, seriously). You guys would be surprised how many Choiced Electric attacks run around. I can see this being especially awesome in Ubers, where Choiced Thunders are thrown around quite a bit. In the current "normal" metagame, predict a Volt Change or Thunderbolt from Specs <Insert grounded Electric-type here>, and Sub/Claw Sharpen to +6. Now have fun.

Wafflez · Oct 31st, 2010, 4:28:58 AM

Aww UU again =L.Well anyway momento was a pretty cool upgrade for this guy.And lol ubers Duggy >:

leingodf8 · Nov 1st, 2010, 3:53:08 PM

although a HUGE gimmick, dugtrio is the fastest abuser of sand veil. It can be even more annoying than cacturne as it can set up a sub in front of a whole lot more threats (though its sucker punch is a whole lot weaker). Can abuse it hopefully get a couple claw sharpens in. Don't see it replacing arena trap anytime soon, but its an option none the less

A2ZOMG · Nov 1st, 2010, 9:48:59 PM

Pair this dude up with Calm Mind Shanderra/Goth Pokemon or even something like Charge Beam Magnezone (assuming you're trapping a Steel without a ground move). Make sure your opponent doesn't have a Scarf Ditto. And you're probably good to go.

Torchic · Nov 2nd, 2010, 12:06:17 AM

It is easy to use.
If you trap and kill a Ttar/Ninetales, you can easily control the weather.
It can revenge kill Shandera with banded sucker punch.

It deserves more use.

ChaosNebula · Jan 2nd, 2011, 2:38:05 AM

Memento... I can see this as a free switch to Cloyster and a delicious setup as well.

Shell Smash abusers throw your attention at Dugtrio your wonderful friend!

ARandomDude · Jan 2nd, 2011, 4:12:55 AM

Claw Sharpen sweep due to Specs/Scarf Ogre/Zekrom lol.

But other than that Dugtrio basically got worse, this generation's sweepers and walls are bulkier than they were before.

Mazaki Anzu · Jan 2nd, 2011, 4:22:18 AM

Personally, this is the dugtrio set I use

Dugtrio (M) @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Arena Trap
EVs: 80 HP / 252 Atk / 176 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Death Gambit
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
- Aerial Ace

Right now I dont remember why I had that speed, but it was to outspeed something at +2. He has 528 speed.

Death Gambit has been pretty useful for me, even if he has low hp.

Chieliee · Mar 28th, 2011, 1:24:37 PM

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That's Dugtrio's power. (for those of you who want to know, I use Ninetails in the lead spot, usually switch Dugtrio to trap any of Ninetails' counters. Dugtrio did a total of 313%+ some Subs from Ninjask damage, trapped/revenge killed 3 of the opponent's pokes, and was just generally cool. I run Scarf Adamant(i know about dory) basic EV's with Earthquake, Rock Slide, Shadow Claw and Sucker Punch.

Earthquake is for all pokes except:
Levitating pokes - (usually weak to Shadow Claw)
Flying types - weak to Rock Slide
Sucker Punch is for when someone is somehow faster than me ( I should've used it in turn 35)

EDIT: here's another log:

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Again, mainly to show how useful this guy is in the lead position. Too bad he doesn't learn taunt.

And his animated sprite is freaking hilarious:

alphatron · Mar 28th, 2011, 4:08:36 PM

Lead dugtio was something I so enjoyed running in fourth gen. He...could actually work as a lead this gen. You've convinced me to give him another shot at doing so. Not necessarily because your logs convinced me but because your post contained no trace of, "Use him to kill off t-tar if you're running a sun team."

His main problem is the fact that he can't switch in to anything except for electric attacks. Duggy is sadly ohko'd by near everything, even some resisted rock attacks. The sand rush and chlorophyll pokemon also don't care for sucker punch too much.

Tenodera · Mar 28th, 2011, 5:01:25 PM

This little dude might be the downfall of choiced Zekrom. It's too bad he needs Jolly to have a chance out outspeeding Excadrill because Dugtrio needs all the power he can get!
Is unStabbed Sucker Punch off 80 attack very threatening though?

Chieliee · Mar 29th, 2011, 8:15:59 AM

Yet another log of Dugtrio being succesful:

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Also, what tier was Dugtrio in last gen? I've only played competetively for 2-3 months, and iirc it was UU. Seriously this thing is top OU IMO. He can revenge at least 1/3rd of the meta.

EDIT: 252 Adamant almost OHKO'd full HP Kojondo with Earthquake D:

Poppy · Mar 29th, 2011, 8:34:25 AM

Something stupid that has probably little potential --> combined with another memento user, when used on a grounded pokemon or during the effects of gravity dugtrio and this allied pokemon can chain mementos and then bring in something like shadow tag shanderaa on a -4 / -4 pokemon, sub, cm 6 times. Prooooobably not going to work though.

alphatron · Mar 29th, 2011, 9:03:21 AM

^A friend of mine tried that and I've tried that as well. What happens is that your shandera will get critted and your opponent will ignore the memento effects. Now you've lost half your team for no reason. Memento on duggy isn't bad by any means though.

Edit: Duggy was OU Gen 3 and dropped to UU Gen 4.

Forsety · Mar 29th, 2011, 9:12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Chieliee

Also, what tier was Dugtrio in last gen? I've only played competetively for 2-3 months, and iirc it was UU. Seriously this thing is top OU IMO. He can revenge at least 1/3rd of the meta.

It was UU indeed, problem Dugtrio had last gen competing is that Scizor, Weaville and Metagross were much more viable last gen with far less checks and could both OHKO it with priority. In all of their cases even if you suspected priority they could also Pursuit you as you tried to run and still OHKO Duggy. Considering how required it is for Dugtrio to run a choice item of some sort, coming onto one of Duggy's weaker coverage moves wasn't hard. Don't forget also the Rotom forms last gen were alot more dominating and W at least still is. Porygon2 was also a great counter being able to come in, trace Arena Trap and OHKO Dugtrio and can do it even easier this gen thanks to its defensive boost.

Chieliee · Mar 29th, 2011, 1:07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat alphatron

^A friend of mine tried that and I've tried that as well. What happens is that your shandera will get critted and your opponent will ignore the memento effects. Now you've lost half your team for no reason. Memento on duggy isn't bad by any means though.

Edit: Duggy was OU Gen 3 and dropped to UU Gen 4.

Safeguard? lol

Shandera@ Leftovers
242 HP 252 Def (just to make sure)
Calm Mind
Shadow Ball
Flame Charge
Safeguard

TheLD · May 26th, 2011, 5:37:17 PM

Just a quick thought I had, Protect could be very useful on this guy on non-Claw Sharpen sets. Its main use would be protecting from a Choice attack and bringing out a Pokemon that resists said move (possible free turn of setup/KO for the new Pokemon.) It does have other uses, though, such as scouting (somewhat), Toxic/burn stalling, and in a more niche sense, it gives it a definite attack against Scarf Ditto whereas an Earthquake/Sucker Punch runs the risk of a reciprocated Earthquake/Sucker Punch.

That said, Substitute has more uses with Claw Sharpen against choice locked Electric moves, but Protect fits his lack of HP and vulnerability to priority moves very well.

skitz0phrenic · May 26th, 2011, 8:32:31 PM

CB Dugtrio is my favorite Blissey killer of all time <3

I've found him helpful this gen for taking out partially weakened Jellicents as well with CB Night Slash/Sucker Punch.

If only he could take more (any) hits. He's so helpful to have, but so easy to lose.

Oct 17th, 2010, 8:21:37 PM	#28
breh Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 2,938	My point is, even though it has a niche value, it sucks everywhere else. Sure it can KO the weather changers, but what does it do after that? Act as setup fodder for damn near everything in the game? An unboosted Earthquake running off of 80 base is not the most threatening thing in the world... To put it simply, there's good reason to Dugtrio's UU status in the 4th gen. EDIT: ~~As far as I know max speed Doryuuzuu outruns Dugtrio period (558 vs. 604..); am I missing something?~~ Derp adamant only If it only outspeeds Adamant Doryuuzu then what's the point? For practically every sweeper in existence, intelligent players should run max speed unless max attack gets some sort of KO. __________________ VGC Regionals: VGC11 Top 16, VGC12 12th Place Last edited by breh; Oct 17th, 2010 at 8:39:18 PM.

Oct 17th, 2010, 8:26:45 PM	#29
1234gjy Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 365	I tried Dugtrio once in Gen IV and I absolutely sucked with it. Everytime I try to trap kill something, it either does waaaaaay less than I expected resulting in it getting killed. Or stone edge plain misses on me. __________________ roflorzzorz I am LOLUMAD? from PO. Please do not be offended by that name.

Nov 2nd, 2010, 12:06:17 AM	#37
Torchic Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 102 Unova Region	It is easy to use. If you trap and kill a Ttar/Ninetales, you can easily control the weather. It can revenge kill Shandera with banded sucker punch. It deserves more use. __________________ Hundred Posts!

Jan 2nd, 2011, 2:38:05 AM	#38
ChaosNebula Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 207 The Network.	Memento... I can see this as a free switch to Cloyster and a delicious setup as well. Shell Smash abusers throw your attention at Dugtrio your wonderful friend! __________________ Blood will be spilled, and souls will be torn away. _________________________________________ Transformice Players - "I WHIP MY TAIL BACK AND FORTH!"

Jan 2nd, 2011, 4:22:18 AM	#40
Mazaki Anzu Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 162 Perú.	Personally, this is the dugtrio set I use Dugtrio (M) @ Choice Scarf Trait: Arena Trap EVs: 80 HP / 252 Atk / 176 Spd Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk) - Death Gambit - Earthquake - Stone Edge - Aerial Ace Right now I dont remember why I had that speed, but it was to outspeed something at +2. He has 528 speed. Death Gambit has been pretty useful for me, even if he has low hp. __________________ Best thread ever: http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65237

Oct 17th, 2010, 10:37:58 PM	#32
alphatron Volt turn in every tier! I'm in despair! Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 1,357	Balloon doesn't bother dugtrio revengers unless magnezone is the one holding it.

Oct 31st, 2010, 4:28:58 AM	#34
Wafflez Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 414	Aww UU again =L.Well anyway momento was a pretty cool upgrade for this guy.And lol ubers Duggy >:

Nov 1st, 2010, 3:53:08 PM	#35
leingodf8 Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 133	although a HUGE gimmick, dugtrio is the fastest abuser of sand veil. It can be even more annoying than cacturne as it can set up a sub in front of a whole lot more threats (though its sucker punch is a whole lot weaker). Can abuse it hopefully get a couple claw sharpens in. Don't see it replacing arena trap anytime soon, but its an option none the less

Nov 1st, 2010, 9:48:59 PM	#36
A2ZOMG Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 68 Rancho Palos Verdes, California	Pair this dude up with Calm Mind Shanderra/Goth Pokemon or even something like Charge Beam Magnezone (assuming you're trapping a Steel without a ground move). Make sure your opponent doesn't have a Scarf Ditto. And you're probably good to go.

Mar 28th, 2011, 4:08:36 PM	#42
alphatron Volt turn in every tier! I'm in despair! Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 1,357	Lead dugtio was something I so enjoyed running in fourth gen. He...could actually work as a lead this gen. You've convinced me to give him another shot at doing so. Not necessarily because your logs convinced me but because your post contained no trace of, "Use him to kill off t-tar if you're running a sun team." His main problem is the fact that he can't switch in to anything except for electric attacks. Duggy is sadly ohko'd by near everything, even some resisted rock attacks. The sand rush and chlorophyll pokemon also don't care for sucker punch too much. __________________ Fifth Gen OU RMT: http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthr...67#post3383567

Mar 28th, 2011, 5:01:25 PM	#43
Tenodera Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 390 Ambassador for the Most High.	This little dude might be the downfall of choiced Zekrom. It's too bad he needs Jolly to have a chance out outspeeding Excadrill because Dugtrio needs all the power he can get! Is unStabbed Sucker Punch off 80 attack very threatening though? __________________ John 14:6 REGIGIGAS is so CUTE. My wifi occasionally acts up, but that's the only reason you'll see me disconnect. ;)

Mar 29th, 2011, 8:15:59 AM	#44
Chieliee Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 1,463	Yet another log of Dugtrio being succesful: ... Battle between Chieliee and mjoh started! Tier: BW OU Variation: +15, -16 Rule: Rated Rule: Sleep Clause Rule: Species Clause Rule: Wifi Battle mjoh sent out Whimsicott! Chieliee sent out Dugtrio! Start of turn 1 The foe's Whimsicott used Substitute! The foe's Whimsicott made a substitute! Dugtrio used Aerial Ace! It's super effective! The foe's Whimsicott's substitute faded! The foe's Whimsicott restored a little HP using its Leftovers! Start of turn 2 Dugtrio used Aerial Ace! It's super effective! The foe's Whimsicott lost 37% of its health! The foe's Whimsicott used U-turn! Dugtrio lost 73 HP! (34% of its health) mjoh called Whimsicott back! mjoh sent out Swampert! Start of turn 3 Chieliee called Dugtrio back! Chieliee sent out Venusaur! The foe's Swampert used Waterfall! It's not very effective... Venusaur lost 62 HP! (20% of its health) Start of turn 4 mjoh called Swampert back! mjoh sent out Magmortar! Venusaur used Energy Ball! It's not very effective... The foe's Magmortar lost 25% of its health! Venusaur is hurt by its Life Orb! Start of turn 5 The foe's Magmortar used Overheat! It's super effective! Venusaur lost 210 HP! (69% of its health) The foe's Magmortar's Sp. Att. sharply fell! Venusaur fainted! Chieliee sent out Dugtrio! Start of turn 6 Dugtrio used Earthquake! It's super effective! The foe's Magmortar lost 74% of its health! The foe's Magmortar fainted! mjoh sent out Swampert! Start of turn 7 Chieliee called Dugtrio back! Chieliee sent out Ninetales! Ninetales is floating on a balloon! Ninetales's Drought intensified the sun's rays! The foe's Swampert used Stealth Rock! Pointed stones float in the air around Chieliee's team! The sunlight is strong! Start of turn 8 Ninetales used Will-O-Wisp! The foe's Swampert was burned! The foe's Swampert ate its Lum Berry! The foe's Swampert's status cleared! The foe's Swampert used Earthquake! It had no effect! The sunlight is strong! Chieliee: lol Chieliee: balloon Start of turn 9 Ninetales used Will-O-Wisp! The foe's Swampert was burned! The foe's Swampert used Earthquake! It had no effect! The sunlight is strong! The foe's Swampert is hurt by its burn! Chieliee: lol Chieliee: balloon Start of turn 10 Ninetales used Substitute! Ninetales made a substitute! The foe's Swampert used Waterfall! It's super effective! Ninetales's substitute took the damage! Ninetales's Balloon popped! The sunlight is strong! The foe's Swampert is hurt by its burn! Start of turn 11 Ninetales used Confuse Ray! The foe's Swampert became confused! The foe's Swampert is confused! The foe's Swampert used Waterfall! It's super effective! Ninetales's substitute faded! The sunlight is strong! The foe's Swampert is hurt by its burn! Start of turn 12 Ninetales used Fire Blast! It's not very effective... The foe's Swampert lost 23% of its health! The foe's Swampert snapped out its confusion! The foe's Swampert used Earthquake! It's super effective! A critical hit! Ninetales lost 263 HP! (75% of its health) Ninetales fainted! The sunlight is strong! The foe's Swampert is hurt by its burn! Chieliee: -__- Chieliee sent out Dugtrio! Pointed stones dug into Dugtrio! Start of turn 13 Dugtrio used Earthquake! A critical hit! The foe's Swampert lost 26% of its health! The foe's Swampert fainted! The sunlight is strong! mjoh sent out Dragonite! Start of turn 14 Chieliee called Dugtrio back! Chieliee sent out Porygon2! Pointed stones dug into Porygon2! Porygon2 traced the foe's Dragonite's Inner Focus! The foe's Dragonite used Dragon Dance! The foe's Dragonite's Attack rose! The foe's Dragonite's Speed rose! The sunlight is strong! Start of turn 15 The foe's Dragonite used Dragon Claw! Porygon2 lost 135 HP! (36% of its health) Porygon2 used Ice Beam! It's super effective! The foe's Dragonite lost 63% of its health! The sunlight is strong! The foe's Dragonite restored a little HP using its Leftovers! Start of turn 16 The foe's Dragonite used Roost! The foe's Dragonite landed on the ground! The foe's Dragonite regained health! Porygon2 used Recover! Porygon2 regained health! The sunlight is strong! The foe's Dragonite restored a little HP using its Leftovers! Start of turn 17 mjoh called Dragonite back! mjoh sent out Whimsicott! Porygon2 used Ice Beam! It's super effective! The foe's Whimsicott lost 43% of its health! The foe's Whimsicott fainted! The sunlight is strong! mjoh sent out Mandibuzz! Start of turn 18 The foe's Mandibuzz used Snarl! Porygon2 lost 30 HP! (8% of its health) Porygon2's Sp. Att. fell! Porygon2 used Toxic! The foe's Mandibuzz was poisoned! The sunlight is strong! The foe's Mandibuzz is hurt by poison! Start of turn 19 mjoh called Mandibuzz back! mjoh sent out Dragonite! Porygon2 used Ice Beam! It's super effective! The foe's Dragonite lost 42% of its health! The sunlight is strong! The foe's Dragonite restored a little HP using its Leftovers! Start of turn 20 The foe's Dragonite used Dragon Dance! The foe's Dragonite's Attack rose! The foe's Dragonite's Speed rose! Porygon2 used Toxic! The foe's Dragonite was poisoned! The sunlight is strong! The foe's Dragonite restored a little HP using its Leftovers! The foe's Dragonite is hurt by poison! Start of turn 21 The foe's Dragonite used Heal Bell! A bell chimed! Porygon2 used Ice Beam! It's super effective! The foe's Dragonite lost 44% of its health! The sunlight is strong! The foe's Dragonite restored a little HP using its Leftovers! Start of turn 22 Chieliee called Porygon2 back! Chieliee sent out Charizard! Pointed stones dug into Charizard! The foe's Dragonite used Roost! The foe's Dragonite landed on the ground! The foe's Dragonite regained health! The sunlight is strong! Charizard lost some HP because of Solar Power! The foe's Dragonite restored a little HP using its Leftovers! Start of turn 23 Charizard used Air Slash! A critical hit! The foe's Dragonite lost 74% of its health! The foe's Dragonite used Dragon Claw! Charizard lost 112 HP! (37% of its health) Charizard fainted! The sunlight is strong! The foe's Dragonite restored a little HP using its Leftovers! Chieliee sent out Porygon2! Pointed stones dug into Porygon2! Porygon2 traced the foe's Dragonite's Inner Focus! Start of turn 24 The foe's Dragonite used Roost! The foe's Dragonite landed on the ground! The foe's Dragonite regained health! Porygon2 used Ice Beam! It's super effective! The foe's Dragonite lost 30% of its health! The sunlight is strong! The foe's Dragonite restored a little HP using its Leftovers! Start of turn 25 The foe's Dragonite used Roost! The foe's Dragonite landed on the ground! The foe's Dragonite regained health! Porygon2 used Toxic! The foe's Dragonite was poisoned! The sunlight is strong! The foe's Dragonite restored a little HP using its Leftovers! The foe's Dragonite is hurt by poison! Start of turn 26 The foe's Dragonite used Dragon Dance! The foe's Dragonite's Attack rose! The foe's Dragonite's Speed rose! Porygon2 used Ice Beam! It's super effective! A critical hit! The foe's Dragonite lost 88% of its health! The foe's Dragonite fainted! The sunlight is strong! Chieliee: sorry for the crit mjoh sent out Mandibuzz! Start of turn 27 The foe's Mandibuzz used Snarl! Porygon2 lost 30 HP! (8% of its health) Porygon2's Sp. Att. fell! Porygon2 used Toxic! The foe's Mandibuzz was poisoned! The sunlight is strong! The foe's Mandibuzz restored a little HP using its Leftovers! The foe's Mandibuzz is hurt by poison! mjoh: part of the game hax.. don't worry Start of turn 28 Chieliee called Porygon2 back! Chieliee sent out Dugtrio! Pointed stones dug into Dugtrio! The foe's Mandibuzz used Taunt! Dugtrio fell for the taunt! The sunlight is strong! The foe's Mandibuzz restored a little HP using its Leftovers! The foe's Mandibuzz is hurt by poison! Start of turn 29 Dugtrio used Earthquake! It had no effect! The foe's Mandibuzz used Snarl! Dugtrio lost 73 HP! (34% of its health) Dugtrio's Sp. Att. fell! The sunlight is strong! The foe's Mandibuzz restored a little HP using its Leftovers! The foe's Mandibuzz is hurt by poison! Chieliee: damn you overprediction Start of turn 30 Dugtrio used Earthquake! It had no effect! The foe's Mandibuzz used Snarl! Dugtrio lost 40 HP! (18% of its health) Dugtrio fainted! The sunlight is strong! The foe's Mandibuzz restored a little HP using its Leftovers! The foe's Mandibuzz is hurt by poison! Chieliee: didn't matter that much though Chieliee: Rock Slide woudn't have done much with those defenses Chieliee sent out Porygon2! Pointed stones dug into Porygon2! Porygon2 traced the foe's Mandibuzz's Overcoat! Start of turn 31 The foe's Mandibuzz used Roost! The foe's Mandibuzz landed on the ground! The foe's Mandibuzz regained health! Porygon2 used Ice Beam! The foe's Mandibuzz lost 18% of its health! The sunlight is strong! The foe's Mandibuzz restored a little HP using its Leftovers! The foe's Mandibuzz is hurt by poison! Start of turn 32 The foe's Mandibuzz used Toxic! Porygon2 was poisoned! Porygon2 used Recover! Porygon2 regained health! The sunlight is strong! The foe's Mandibuzz restored a little HP using its Leftovers! The foe's Mandibuzz is hurt by poison! Porygon2 is hurt by poison! Start of turn 33 The foe's Mandibuzz used Roost! The foe's Mandibuzz landed on the ground! The foe's Mandibuzz regained health! Porygon2 used Thunderbolt! The foe's Mandibuzz lost 19% of its health! The sunlight is strong! The foe's Mandibuzz restored a little HP using its Leftovers! The foe's Mandibuzz is hurt by poison! Porygon2 is hurt by poison! Start of turn 34 The foe's Mandibuzz used Snarl! Porygon2 lost 31 HP! (8% of its health) Porygon2's Sp. Att. fell! Porygon2 used Ice Beam! It's super effective! The foe's Mandibuzz lost 17% of its health! The foe's Mandibuzz fainted! The sunlight is strong! Porygon2 is hurt by poison! mjoh sent out Tentacruel! Start of turn 35 The foe's Tentacruel used Scald! Porygon2 lost 24 HP! (6% of its health) Porygon2 used Thunderbolt! It's super effective! The foe's Tentacruel lost 19% of its health! The sunlight is strong! The foe's Tentacruel restored a little HP using its Leftovers! Porygon2 is hurt by poison! Start of turn 36 The foe's Tentacruel used Scald! Porygon2 lost 22 HP! (5% of its health) Porygon2 used Thunderbolt! It's super effective! The foe's Tentacruel lost 18% of its health! The sunlight is strong! The foe's Tentacruel restored a little HP using its Leftovers! Porygon2 is hurt by poison! Porygon2 fainted! Chieliee: cough toxic spikes wouldve been better cough Chieliee sent out Urugamosu! (Volcarona) Pointed stones dug into Urugamosu! Start of turn 37 Urugamosu used Morning Sun! Urugamosu regained health! The foe's Tentacruel used Ice Beam! It's not very effective... Urugamosu lost 30 HP! (8% of its health) The sunlight is strong! Urugamosu restored a little HP using its Leftovers! The foe's Tentacruel restored a little HP using its Leftovers! Start of turn 38 Urugamosu used Quiver Dance! Urugamosu's Sp. Att. rose! Urugamosu's Sp. Def. rose! Urugamosu's Speed rose! The foe's Tentacruel used Scald! It's super effective! Urugamosu lost 48 HP! (12% of its health) The sunlight is strong! Urugamosu restored a little HP using its Leftovers! The foe's Tentacruel restored a little HP using its Leftovers! Start of turn 39 Urugamosu used Quiver Dance! Urugamosu's Sp. Att. rose! Urugamosu's Sp. Def. rose! Urugamosu's Speed rose! The foe's Tentacruel used Scald! It's super effective! Urugamosu lost 42 HP! (11% of its health) The sunlight is strong! Urugamosu restored a little HP using its Leftovers! The foe's Tentacruel restored a little HP using its Leftovers! Start of turn 40 Urugamosu used Quiver Dance! Urugamosu's Sp. Att. rose! Urugamosu's Sp. Def. rose! Urugamosu's Speed rose! The foe's Tentacruel used Scald! It's super effective! Urugamosu lost 32 HP! (8% of its health) The sunlight is strong! Urugamosu restored a little HP using its Leftovers! The foe's Tentacruel restored a little HP using its Leftovers! Start of turn 41 Urugamosu used Quiver Dance! Urugamosu's Sp. Att. rose! Urugamosu's Sp. Def. rose! Urugamosu's Speed rose! The foe's Tentacruel used Ice Beam! It's not very effective... Urugamosu lost 10 HP! (2% of its health) The sunlight is strong! Urugamosu restored a little HP using its Leftovers! The foe's Tentacruel restored a little HP using its Leftovers! Start of turn 42 Urugamosu used Quiver Dance! Urugamosu's Sp. Att. rose! Urugamosu's Sp. Def. rose! Urugamosu's Speed rose! The foe's Tentacruel used Ice Beam! It's not very effective... Urugamosu lost 9 HP! (2% of its health) The sunlight is strong! Urugamosu restored a little HP using its Leftovers! Start of turn 43 Urugamosu used Quiver Dance! Urugamosu's Sp. Att. rose! Urugamosu's Sp. Def. rose! Urugamosu's Speed rose! The foe's Tentacruel used Ice Beam! It's not very effective... Urugamosu lost 7 HP! (1% of its health) The sunlight is strong! Urugamosu restored a little HP using its Leftovers! Start of turn 44 Urugamosu used Fiery Dance! It's not very effective... The foe's Tentacruel lost 68% of its health! The foe's Tentacruel used Ice Beam! It's not very effective... Urugamosu lost 8 HP! (2% of its health) The sunlight is strong! Urugamosu restored a little HP using its Leftovers! The foe's Tentacruel restored a little HP using its Leftovers! Chieliee: gg mjoh: gg Start of turn 45 Urugamosu used Fiery Dance! It's not very effective... The foe's Tentacruel lost 37% of its health! The foe's Tentacruel fainted! Chieliee won the battle! Chieliee: =D mjoh: good game Also, what tier was Dugtrio in last gen? I've only played competetively for 2-3 months, and iirc it was UU. Seriously this thing is top OU IMO. He can revenge at least 1/3rd of the meta. EDIT: 252 Adamant almost OHKO'd full HP Kojondo with Earthquake D: __________________ nyuu~ This is the world we live in And these are the hands we're given Use them and lets start trying To make it a place worth living in.

Mar 29th, 2011, 8:34:25 AM	#45
Poppy SYMPTOMATIC OF A GREATER ILL Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 2,421 brisbane	Something stupid that has probably little potential --> combined with another memento user, when used on a grounded pokemon or during the effects of gravity dugtrio and this allied pokemon can chain mementos and then bring in something like shadow tag shanderaa on a -4 / -4 pokemon, sub, cm 6 times. Prooooobably not going to work though. __________________ erotically erudite

Mar 29th, 2011, 9:03:21 AM	#46
alphatron Volt turn in every tier! I'm in despair! Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 1,357	^A friend of mine tried that and I've tried that as well. What happens is that your shandera will get critted and your opponent will ignore the memento effects. Now you've lost half your team for no reason. Memento on duggy isn't bad by any means though. Edit: Duggy was OU Gen 3 and dropped to UU Gen 4. __________________ Fifth Gen OU RMT: http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthr...67#post3383567

May 26th, 2011, 5:37:17 PM	#49
TheLD Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 10	Just a quick thought I had, Protect could be very useful on this guy on non-Claw Sharpen sets. Its main use would be protecting from a Choice attack and bringing out a Pokemon that resists said move (possible free turn of setup/KO for the new Pokemon.) It does have other uses, though, such as scouting (somewhat), Toxic/burn stalling, and in a more niche sense, it gives it a definite attack against Scarf Ditto whereas an Earthquake/Sucker Punch runs the risk of a reciprocated Earthquake/Sucker Punch. That said, Substitute has more uses with Claw Sharpen against choice locked Electric moves, but Protect fits his lack of HP and vulnerability to priority moves very well.

May 26th, 2011, 8:32:31 PM	#50
skitz0phrenic Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 289	CB Dugtrio is my favorite Blissey killer of all time <3 I've found him helpful this gen for taking out partially weakened Jellicents as well with CB Night Slash/Sucker Punch. If only he could take more (any) hits. He's so helpful to have, but so easy to lose.