Ice, Ice, Baby - Hail Discussion - Page 9

Synth_Metal · Apr 2nd, 2011, 12:58:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Nubbins

Abomasnow is a horrible lead. Inability to set stealth rock (therefore not being able to do anything useful as a lead) and having bad matchups against every single weather lead means more often than not the hail team loses the lead battle. A dedicated lead such as Froslass would fair much better in general.

Mamoswine in particular seems to be consistently ignored in this hail thread and it seriously needs more love. While it's typing is probably the worst defensive speaking in the entire OU metagame. However, I feel that it's offensive strengths more than make up for this as it can provide major support against any type of weather team. Ice Shard completely wrecks all 3 genies after SR as well as most chlorophyll boosters (but no grasser is OHKOed sadly). Earthquake + Icicle Drop mauls SS teams as even SpDef Ferrothorn can be KOed if it switches in on EQ or sometimes even Icicle Drop. Hippowdon is is 2hit koed by Icicle Drop. Ice Shard also provides great insurance against any dragon.

I agree with this. Mamoswine counters the main speed devils of this gen, like the genies and scarf dragons. It also immune to electric moves, takes no damage from hail or sandstorm, and its ability snow cloak makes it function similar to garchomp in the sandstorm.

***Delko**** · Apr 2nd, 2011, 3:50:44 PM

Cool guide, I've been lurking here for a while.

Anyway, I think Jellicent is a good pokemon to use a Hail team, Immunity to Fire and Fighting, and it can act as a Spin Blocker.
His abilities are 2 useful ones, although Cursed Body get the preference here as Water can be taken by most Ice pokemon as well. Cursed Body allows Jellicent to beat Reuniclus (big threat to both Stall as offensive teams).

shofly12 · Apr 2nd, 2011, 4:19:32 PM

^er. jellicent is not immune to fire....and ice types don't resist water...

***Delko**** · Apr 2nd, 2011, 4:37:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat shofly12

^er. jellicent is not immune to fire....and ice types don't resist water...

Ugh, you know what I mean, resistance to Fire.
Ice types are mostly Water types (Lapras, Walrein, ...), that's why I say most. And before you post another comment, by that I meant that Water attacks aren't an issue for Hail teams.

shofly12 · Apr 2nd, 2011, 7:41:50 PM

Sorry. I was just confused for a second. How many ice types should you normally have on a hail team? I tried having only 2 but then too much of my team was taking passive damage. But then when i had 5, it seemed like my entire team was weak to fighting. -.-

Cshadow · Apr 2nd, 2011, 8:25:03 PM

You shouldn't ever run 5 ice-types. You should always have a minimum of one though because you're running Abomasnow. A Hail team should not run more Ice-types than needed because the only benefit it gets is the 100% accurate Blizzard and the sparse distribution of Ice Body.

Hail should be used as a way to completely ruin the opponent's of their own weather, it really can't be run as anything more than an anti-meta strategy because Hail doesn't have enough benefits of its own to try and compete with Drizzle, Sand, or Sun in any other way.

Kei-kun · Apr 29th, 2011, 1:40:36 AM

A big thanks to you Cshadow for making this thread. I created a pretty good Anti-meta team with the help of your guide! But I could sure use some help if anyone is willing to give it :)

He Who Must Not Be Named · May 12th, 2011, 10:17:03 PM

So I started makin' a hail team and could use a little help on it.

This is what I'm thinking:
Abomasnow- Subseed or Choice Scarf
Rotom-F- Choice Scarf
Tentacruel- Spinner
Heatran- Scarf/Ballon
Reuniclus- Wall
Salamence/Garchomp- Life Orb/Band

TorchicBlaziken · May 12th, 2011, 10:20:57 PM

Kyurem usually goes special, and Mamoswine has a better physical movepool, and arguably, a better typing.

He Who Must Not Be Named · May 12th, 2011, 10:24:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat TorchicBlaziken

Kyurem usually goes special, and Mamoswine has a better physical movepool, and arguably, a better typing.

Kyurem is OU am I right?
Which is better Thick Fat or Super Power?

133k · May 12th, 2011, 10:40:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat He Who Must Not Be Named

Kyurem is OU am I right?
Which is better Thick Fat or Super Power?

Kyurem is currently UU.

And I'd say snow cloak is better, only because you can have move tutor/egg moves.

Apr 2nd, 2011, 8:25:03 PM	#206
Cshadow Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 767 Bossier City, Louisiana	You shouldn't ever run 5 ice-types. You should always have a minimum of one though because you're running Abomasnow. A Hail team should not run more Ice-types than needed because the only benefit it gets is the 100% accurate Blizzard and the sparse distribution of Ice Body. Hail should be used as a way to completely ruin the opponent's of their own weather, it really can't be run as anything more than an anti-meta strategy because Hail doesn't have enough benefits of its own to try and compete with Drizzle, Sand, or Sun in any other way. __________________ Platinum FC: 3653 0990 0714 I have an AR and am capable of cloning, just VM me. *I can't find my action replay atm, don't bother asking d: Join the hail discussion here! See my art thread here!

May 12th, 2011, 10:17:03 PM	#208
He Who Must Not Be Named Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 27 Somewhere?	So I started makin' a hail team and could use a little help on it. This is what I'm thinking: Abomasnow- Subseed or Choice Scarf Rotom-F- Choice Scarf Tentacruel- Spinner Heatran- Scarf/Ballon Reuniclus- Wall Salamence/Garchomp- Life Orb/Band __________________ "Chuck Norris has already been to Mars; that why there are no signs of life"

Apr 2nd, 2011, 3:50:44 PM	#202
*Delko at the end of the game, the king and the pawn go into the same box Super Moderator** Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 2,961 Belgium Mentor	Cool guide, I've been lurking here for a while. Anyway, I think Jellicent is a good pokemon to use a Hail team, Immunity to Fire and Fighting, and it can act as a Spin Blocker. His abilities are 2 useful ones, although Cursed Body get the preference here as Water can be taken by most Ice pokemon as well. Cursed Body allows Jellicent to beat Reuniclus (big threat to both Stall as offensive teams).

Apr 2nd, 2011, 4:19:32 PM	#203
shofly12 Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 159	^er. jellicent is not immune to fire....and ice types don't resist water...

Apr 2nd, 2011, 7:41:50 PM	#205
shofly12 Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 159	Sorry. I was just confused for a second. How many ice types should you normally have on a hail team? I tried having only 2 but then too much of my team was taking passive damage. But then when i had 5, it seemed like my entire team was weak to fighting. -.-

Apr 29th, 2011, 1:40:36 AM	#207
Kei-kun Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 21	A big thanks to you Cshadow for making this thread. I created a pretty good Anti-meta team with the help of your guide! But I could sure use some help if anyone is willing to give it :)

May 12th, 2011, 10:20:57 PM	#209
TorchicBlaziken Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 1,225 Use sunscreen!	Kyurem usually goes special, and Mamoswine has a better physical movepool, and arguably, a better typing.