5th Gen PRNG Help / Info - RNG Reporter 9.96.5, PPRNG 1.15.0 (Request in first post)

[firestorm xl]

wow duh me never wouldve thought of that one myself lol thanks guys

[Nightmare13]

Can someone explain the intricacies of the Timer0 value to me?

I calibrated 5 times and get C7C 4 times, and C7B once. I managed to catch a flawless Terrakion using a seed and spread that I found on C7C, but now every time I reset it feels like I'm getting the seed for the C7B value (same time and buttons).

Does anyone know why it flips back and forth and possibly what determines which one you hit?

[IkEr_14]

After a period of trial and error I think I understand now how to RNGing eggs, and now I can easily see in wich frame I land (PIDRNG).I already hatched a shiny flawless snivy with HP dragon and now I hatched a shiny oshawott with great succes so now I think I can understand very well how the process of eggs is done. Thanks OmegaDonut for the new RNG Reporter 9 beta 5.

[Viss]

Originally Posted by Fat Nightmare13

Can someone explain the intricacies of the Timer0 value to me?

I calibrated 5 times and get C7C 4 times, and C7B once. I managed to catch a flawless Terrakion using a seed and spread that I found on C7C, but now every time I reset it feels like I'm getting the seed for the C7B value (same time and buttons).

Does anyone know why it flips back and forth and possibly what determines which one you hit?

To me, I feel like it's the time at which you start the game. With my testing, I find that I land on C7F more than C80, but they both happen. C80 for me, always seems to happen if I start the game as fast as I possibly can on the second I aim for, while I feel like C7F is more successful when I wait just a fraction of a second before pressing the button. At this point, I just make a slight pause when the my second hits, and I almost always hit C7F Timers

[NspKiNG]

Quick Question

I want to RNG an EGG what tab or option do I use in the RNG to find my seed?

I see BW(Breeding) option in the main window of the RNG reporter but I'm sure that not where I look for my seed at.

Can anyone point me in the right direction?

[Toast++]

Originally Posted by Fat Viss

Not really sure what I'd be looking for. I guess I just don't get exactly where I should be looking for certain things.

When I get a PID from my IV seed, do I just pick anything? When I use the Method 5 PIDRNG, I find a Timid nature at frame 70, but from there I can't quite figure out exactly how to get a shiny. I can't seem to wrap my head around how I can get a shiny from there.

But, I'll see how I can go from here.

I used Method 5 PIDRNG, and found PID: FDFC65E7 at frame 70. I went into Time Finder (Which doesn't have a Nature selection anymore? (Assuming I use the PIDRNG method now?) I got the 2 ID's (65020 26087)... This is where I get lost. Do I just pick any Shiny, or what's the best way to go about choosing a seed here?

After that, I get even more confused. I guess I don't understand how I pull the SID and ID once I hit the Shiny seed. I understand that once I have that, I can easily determine which frame I hit... And from there it seems like I'd have no problem.

Does that make sense?

Since PID changes based on a ID/SID, Pandora's Box was changed so you use an initial seed and a frame number. Just go to the 5th gen tab, check the seed box and enter that seed you were talking about and 70 for the frame. Anything under starter that is true means that that combination will work for both starters and wild pokes.

[Mr. Sableye]

When do I hold down my L button or whatever for non-cgear abuse?

[MMX]

You can hold the L button and then press A at your target.

How do you find your starting PID?

[Toast++]

Originally Posted by Fat Mr. Sableye

When do I hold down my L button or whatever for non-cgear abuse?

Start at the menu screen and don't stop until the copyright screen. It's best if you can hold down the button and use the touch screen to start the game.

@Megaman
I was using an emulator to check what the starting frame would be. Another way would be to keep catching something frame by frame and match up the natures.

[Dizzyed]

I am a terrible Leecher, I know.

I just wanted to ask how to land on a frame that's not more than 10 frames behind a shiny frame. I choose my shiny seed, start the game at the specific time, and then proceed to sweet scent -> catch pokemon, restart at same time and repeat except save numerous times before sweet scenting so I can look for a pattern of 3 natures. As of now I don't care about IVs as I want to start slowly.

I have only gotten a pattern that was a reasonable amount of frames away from my shiny frame once. Other than that they are usually over 600 frames away. Is there a way I can prevent this or is this normal? I assume the way to bypass this is to RNG your TID/SID as that seems to be the way everyone is getting shinies.

[MMX]

That sounds confusing. Do I have to know my starting PID to breed shinies?

[Explotic]

Originally Posted by Fat Dizzyed

I am a terrible Leecher, I know.

I just wanted to ask how to land on a frame that's not more than 10 frames behind a shiny frame. I choose my shiny seed, start the game at the specific time, and then proceed to sweet scent -> catch pokemon, restart at same time and repeat except save numerous times before sweet scenting so I can look for a pattern of 3 natures. As of now I don't care about IVs as I want to start slowly.

I have only gotten a pattern that was a reasonable amount of frames away from my shiny frame once. Other than that they are usually over 600 frames away. Is there a way I can prevent this or is this normal? I assume the way to bypass this is to RNG your TID/SID as that seems to be the way everyone is getting shinies.

I'm gonna take a stab at this, I believe you can go into the time finder and set the method to Method 5 PIDRNG. Then make the min frame 60 and the max frame 70, you'll get a bunch of seeds with shinies a few frames away from your starting frame (which is 40-60). So just hit one of those seeds and advance the frame, via saving or chatot, and you should get a shiny.

[thetorsoboy]

Originally Posted by Fat thetorsoboy

I'm trying to use the non-C Gear method. I get the IVs, do the time right, and etc., but I never can get any results. None.

I don't get what I'm doing wrong. I have the Mac Adress, Pokemon Black (English) set, a DS Lite, the time: 4:41:05, the date: 04/05/11: and the IVs down.

Anyone? I'd like to know so I can get started abusing B/W. ^.^

[Dizzyed]

Originally Posted by Fat Explotic

I'm gonna take a stab at this, I believe you can go into the time finder and set the method to Method 5 PIDRNG. Then make the min frame 60 and the max frame 70, you'll get a bunch of seeds with shinies a few frames away from your starting frame (which is 40-60). So just hit one of those seeds and advance the frame, via saving or chatot, and you should get a shiny.

That's the thing, how can you change what starter frame you are on when you load the game? Mine is usually 600+. Unless it has something to do with the DS parameters being set every time. In which case I will facepalm for myself.

[Explotic]

Originally Posted by Fat thetorsoboy

Anyone? I'd like to know so I can get started abusing B/W. ^.^

Try finding your parameters again, the timer0 you got may be one that appears less frequent. You're starting the game 1-2sec(depending on your actual second result) before the seed time right?

Originally Posted by Fat Dizzyed

That's the thing, how can you change what starter frame you are on when you load the game? Mine is usually 600+. Unless it has something to do with the DS parameters being set every time. In which case I will facepalm for myself.

As long as no moving npcs are around and you don't move at all, you're starting PID frame will be between 40-60.

Edit: And I think no weather effects.

[IkEr_14]

Originally Posted by Fat MeGaMaN X

That sounds confusing. Do I have to know my starting PID to breed shinies?

All you need is to check in wich frame you usally land when using the seed you choose to capture, breed shinies etc, only for this seed, because the landing frame change with each seed. When you are absolutly sure in wich frame you land(PIDNRG) procced to advance the frame for your target.

[Toast++]

Originally Posted by Fat thetorsoboy

Anyone? I'd like to know so I can get started abusing B/W. ^.^

That happened to me quite a few times when I was finding mine even though I knew the parameters ahead of time and I knew the actual seed I hit, not just IVs. We're not exactly sure what happens there.

Originally Posted by Fat MeGaMaN X

That sounds confusing. Do I have to know my starting PID to breed shinies?

It'll be difficult otherwise because you're kind of taking a shot in the dark. Unless there's another method I don't know about..

Edit:The initial advancements will always be the same for any particular seed. It's just a matter of finding out what that frame is. That's why I suggested doing it that way. The only other way I know of is to be able to see what the PID is. And that's not going to work for most people.

[MMX]

I wanna attempt to breed an HP Electric shiny Timid Panpour. Here are the IVs of the parents.

Timid Panpour: 4 / 20 / 8 / 14 / 25 / 31
Timid Ditto: 31 / 31 / 31 / 30 / 31 / 31

Seed: F379B7BB4AD40B69
Date: 4 / 16 / 2011
Time: 18:31:04
KeyPress: Right
Frame: 35
IVs: 31 / 31 / 31 / 30 / 31 / 31

So I would:
1. Grab the parents and put them into the daycare with an Everstone on Ditto and the Power Anklet and Panpour and bike around til an egg comes.
2. Save inside the daycare, hit your seed, do your advancements, and walk outside holding L and mashing A as fast as possible.
3. Collect the egg, hatch it, and check the IVs.

If they're not right, how do I go about finding what frame I hit and how far I have to go to get the desired results?

[Dizzyed]

Originally Posted by Fat Explotic

Try finding your parameters again, the timer0 you got may be one that appears less frequent. You're starting the game 1-2sec(depending on your actual second result) before the seed time right?



As long as no moving npcs are around and you don't move at all, you're starting PID frame will be between 40-60.

Edit: And I think no weather effects.

Does that old guy in the 3rd floor of that cave where coballion is count as a moving NPC? And if this is true how would you breed shinies as there are moving NPCs all around the daycare?

I do appreciate your help.

[Explotic]

Originally Posted by Fat Dizzyed

Does that old guy in the 3rd floor of that cave where coballion is count as a moving NPC? And if this is true how would you breed shinies as there are moving NPCs all around the daycare?

I do appreciate your help.

I know for a fact that the old guy doesn't interfere with the PID since I rng'ed a cobalion today (he doesn't move anyway). I don't recall any of those outdoor daycare npcs moving but if they do, then I'm not sure how people rng breed.

Edit: Or they may grab the egg immediately before any npc is supposed to turn by doing all the advancements inside.

[Nightmare13]

Originally Posted by Fat ToastPlusOne

Start at the menu screen and don't stop until the copyright screen. It's best if you can hold down the button and use the touch screen to start the game.

@Megaman
I was using an emulator to check what the starting frame would be. Another way would be to keep catching something frame by frame and match up the natures.

So battles don't advance the PIDRNG by more than 1? I tried that before and couldn't find a series of natures that matched, but I may have missed my seed. I didn't try too hard.

[Dizzyed]

Then maybe I am not looking hard enough for my nature pattern. I double check each time so I am sure the natures aren't wrong.

[Explotic]

Originally Posted by Fat Dizzyed

Then maybe I am not looking hard enough for my nature pattern. I double check each time so I am sure the natures aren't wrong.

If you mean for Cobalion, make sure you save right infront of him facing him. What seed are you using? and what natures are u getting?

[IkEr_14]

Originally Posted by Fat MeGaMaN X

I wanna attempt to breed an HP Electric shiny Timid Panpour. Here are the IVs of the parents.

Timid Panpour: 4 / 20 / 8 / 14 / 25 / 31
Timid Ditto: 31 / 31 / 31 / 30 / 31 / 31

Seed: F379B7BB4AD40B69
Date: 4 / 16 / 2011
Time: 18:31:04
KeyPress: Right
Frame: 35
IVs: 31 / 31 / 31 / 30 / 31 / 31

So I would:
1. Grab the parents and put them into the daycare with an Everstone on Ditto and the Power Anklet and Panpour and bike around til an egg comes.
2. Save inside the daycare, hit your seed, do your advancements, and walk outside holding L and mashing A as fast as possible.
3. Collect the egg, hatch it, and check the IVs.

If they're not right, how do I go about finding what frame I hit and how far I have to go to get the desired results?

Frame 35 is too early because normally all the frames start from 40-60(PIDRNG), the everstone It's ok but I don't know about the power anklet for me It's more difficult to know in wich frame the egg landed because the Power Anlket maybe maybe not inherit ivs.
The first egg is always frame 8(IVRNG), You need to advance the IVRNG too if your egg is not in frame 8, and of course advance the PIDRNG with saving or with a chatot in the house before you grab the egg.
I don't understand the part of holding the L button all you need is to go outside and grab the egg as fast as possible. You need to hold the button when you start the game when it says nintendo to land in the correct seed.
Hope I help you

[MMX]

The L button part was a typo. I meant to hold left on the DPad as I was exiting the house.

Speaking of the keypress, would I hold the R bumper or actually hold the right side of the DPad to hit my seed?