5th Gen PRNG Help / Info - RNG Reporter 9.96.5, PPRNG 1.15.0 (Request in first post) - Page 739

**voodoo pimp** · Feb 18th, 2013, 1:36:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat MonsterXA

Hello everyone, I am trying to RNG breed shiny + flawless zoroark.

I use the chatots to advance my frame and I hatch the shiny pokemon with my desired nature. However, the IVs are off. I am using a ditto and a japanese zoroark (both flawless). I don't know what I am doing wrong. Thank you.

With international breeding, you will have multiple shiny frames near each other, and it's possible two or more of them will have the same nature (especially if you used Everstone). Open your seed in the main window and see if any of the shiny frames match the IVs you got, then adjust your Chatters so you hit your target instead.

MonsterXA · Feb 18th, 2013, 1:41:06 AM

You are right. I have 2 modest nature right next to each other, but all I see is the 3 IVs inherited from the parent; for the others it is blank.

Example: Fe Fe x Fe x x

I am assuming the blanks = 31? because I searched for a flawless seed in time finder. Thank you.

Hozu · Feb 18th, 2013, 1:53:21 AM

The blanks are the IVs that are not inherited. They come from frame 8 of the IVRNG from your current seed.

MonsterXA · Feb 18th, 2013, 2:03:51 AM

Frame 8 of the IVRNG, hm... Could you please explain what that is? How do I check that? Sorry, I am new to rng in the 5th gen. Thank you

Hozu · Feb 18th, 2013, 2:41:57 AM

Oh, you don't have to advance the IVRNG at all for eggs. The frame 8 thing is automatically taken into account.

**voodoo pimp** · Feb 18th, 2013, 2:51:29 AM

To see the missing IVs, right-click > Display Parents In Search, then input their IVs and click Get IVs from IVRNG (Frame 8), and that should give you all the details.

klock · Feb 18th, 2013, 3:37:57 AM

Trying to RNG for ID/SID for my White 2 cartridge on the get-go. Seems like I need all the Seed Encryption variables first, though.. What's the usual VCount / Timer0 for White 2?

EDIT: Or do I have to play through my White 2 first to the point where I can IV-check and do calibrations myself?
Does anyone have any tips for ID/SID RNG'ing for first timers? (I have RNG experience in 4th/5th gen, but first time trying RNG on B2W2)

musicalbento · Feb 18th, 2013, 4:12:47 AM

RNGing on Black/White 2, when you calibrate to find your timer0's, is it better to use the most common timer0 or is it better to use the entire range that you get?

championdiego · Feb 18th, 2013, 9:02:08 AM

Is it possible to RNG the magikarp that guy sells on Marvelous Bridge?

Princess of Johto · Feb 18th, 2013, 10:23:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat klock

Trying to RNG for ID/SID for my White 2 cartridge on the get-go. Seems like I need all the Seed Encryption variables first, though.. What's the usual VCount / Timer0 for White 2?

EDIT: Or do I have to play through my White 2 first to the point where I can IV-check and do calibrations myself?
Does anyone have any tips for ID/SID RNG'ing for first timers? (I have RNG experience in 4th/5th gen, but first time trying RNG on B2W2)

If you haven't already, try reading my guide (link in sig). It's for BW, but BW2 is basically the same thing, except more timer0s. Make sure you find your parameters first.

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Originally Posted by Fat musicalbento

RNGing on Black/White 2, when you calibrate to find your timer0's, is it better to use the most common timer0 or is it better to use the entire range that you get?

I'd say it's better to use the most common one you hit, but if you feel that you hit some timer0s an equal amount of times you could try a range.

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Originally Posted by Fat championdiego

Is it possible to RNG the magikarp that guy sells on Marvelous Bridge?

Yes, I believe so. Method 5, gift pokemon I think.

The Agonist · Feb 18th, 2013, 11:51:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat klock

Trying to RNG for ID/SID for my White 2 cartridge on the get-go. Seems like I need all the Seed Encryption variables first, though.. What's the usual VCount / Timer0 for White 2?

EDIT: Or do I have to play through my White 2 first to the point where I can IV-check and do calibrations myself?
Does anyone have any tips for ID/SID RNG'ing for first timers? (I have RNG experience in 4th/5th gen, but first time trying RNG on B2W2)

Depends on the DS. DS Lite is 10F2-10F8 for timer0's, and VCount is 82.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat musicalbento

RNGing on Black/White 2, when you calibrate to find your timer0's, is it better to use the most common timer0 or is it better to use the entire range that you get?

I use the most common Timer0s that I normally hit, 10F3/10F4/10F6.

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Originally Posted by Fat championdiego

Is it possible to RNG the magikarp that guy sells on Marvelous Bridge?

Yes it is.

Misdreavus · Feb 18th, 2013, 12:04:55 PM

When RNGing my ID/SID in B2/W2, what's a good frame range to use? Also, what are the purposes of the "Calculate Min Frame" and "Existing Save File" checkboxes? What exactly is meant by the "Starter" column?

Is there a way to find what Timer0 I hit via the Pandora's Box Seed Finder?

goldnblue564 · Feb 18th, 2013, 12:38:02 PM

When trying to PIDRNG does using sweet scent to find the pokemon mess up the frame?

MonsterXA · Feb 18th, 2013, 12:41:56 PM

So how accurate is the initial frame calculated from b/w international breeding? I seem to have hit my seed perfect yesterday and matching the chatot frames, but I can't anymore. I always hear random chatot pitches, I don't know if it's just my ears...

Hozu · Feb 18th, 2013, 12:47:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat goldnblue564

When trying to PIDRNG does using sweet scent to find the pokemon mess up the frame?

No, but random NPCs can move during the Sweet Scent animation, making things difficult.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat MonsterXA

So how accurate is the initial frame calculated from b/w international breeding? I seem to have hit my seed perfect yesterday and matching the chatot frames, but I can't anymore. I always hear random chatot pitches, I don't know if it's just my ears...

While you technically start on the initial frame, there is a random NPC in the area that advances the PIDRNG. So by time you can get to the menu (NPCs move during the season splash screen) you're no longer on the initial frame.

The Agonist · Feb 18th, 2013, 12:57:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Misdreavus

When RNGing my ID/SID in B2/W2, what's a good frame range to use? Also, what are the purposes of the "Calculate Min Frame" and "Existing Save File" checkboxes? What exactly is meant by the "Starter" column?

Is there a way to find what Timer0 I hit via the Pandora's Box Seed Finder?

I normally use 25-40 range for mine. As for the other stuff, I've got no clue how RNGR works in regards to Pandora's box, so someone else will have to explain.

MonsterXA · Feb 18th, 2013, 1:20:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Hozu

No, but random NPCs can move during the Sweet Scent animation, making things difficult.

While you technically start on the initial frame, there is a random NPC in the area that advances the PIDRNG. So by time you can get to the menu (NPCs move during the season splash screen) you're no longer on the initial frame.

Alright, thank you, is there a common amount it gets shifted by or is it random?

Hozu · Feb 18th, 2013, 1:21:12 PM

It changes each time you save the game. It's usually 4-8 I think.

MonsterXA · Feb 18th, 2013, 1:50:20 PM

Alright, I hit my seed and I think I have the desired pokemon I want. I heard it wasn't possible to trade the egg without losing it's shinyness when it's from international parents. Is it true?

The Agonist · Feb 18th, 2013, 2:37:06 PM

Yes, that's true (actually in any situation, unless you RNG the egg to hatch shiny on the other game, it wouldn't ever hatch shiny, unless it was a shiny PID on that game as well, which is extremely unlikely). International parents changes something (forget what off the top of my head) that make it unable to be traded, and hatch shiny.

Hozu · Feb 18th, 2013, 2:37:39 PM

MM checks against YOUR TID/SID. Meaning that it stops rerolling for the PID when it's shiny on the save it came from. It wouldn't stop if you use someone else's TID/SID.

MonsterXA · Feb 18th, 2013, 3:34:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Hozu

MM checks against YOUR TID/SID. Meaning that it stops rerolling for the PID when it's shiny on the save it came from. It wouldn't stop if you use someone else's TID/SID.

Alright thanks for the info.

Anyways, I have a question regarding 4th gen rnging. I was RNGing my heart gold sid/tid. I got a modest/calm flawless seed. I was successful, but is it true that no adamanant + flawless seeds exist? And synchronize doesn't work on stationaries like it does for black/white for heart gold/ss right?

klock · Feb 18th, 2013, 3:42:38 PM

@Princess of Johto
@The Agonist

Thank you guys for your helpful posts. I've successfully RNG'ed my ID/SID for White 2, now onto shiny starters!

Hozu · Feb 18th, 2013, 3:58:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat MonsterXA

Alright thanks for the info.

Anyways, I have a question regarding 4th gen rnging. I was RNGing my heart gold sid/tid. I got a modest/calm flawless seed. I was successful, but is it true that no adamanant + flawless seeds exist? And synchronize doesn't work on stationaries like it does for black/white for heart gold/ss right?

Adamant hex-flawless is impossible. But you don't really need such a spread, so Adamant penta-flawless is fine.

Sync works on stationaries in all games where it had the out-of-battle effect except Emerald.

MonsterXA · Feb 18th, 2013, 4:04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Hozu

Adamant hex-flawless is impossible. But you don't really need such a spread, so Adamant penta-flawless is fine.

Sync works on stationaries in all games where it had the out-of-battle effect except Emerald.

So if I stood in front of Ho-Oh (in heart gold) and I had an adamant synch in my party, it would affect it to have hex-flawless with adamant instead of a modest/calm nature? Thanks

Feb 18th, 2013, 1:53:21 AM	#18453
Hozu RNGenius Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 1,174 Orre	The blanks are the IVs that are not inherited. They come from frame 8 of the IVRNG from your current seed. __________________ McGillicuddy's Bazaar - Hidden Grotto encounter RNG guide for RNG reporter - Emerald Egg PID RNG guide - Misc 3rd gen info - incl. Emerald frontier/Orre Colosseum, frame offsets - Free events If I CMT in your thread please respond in mine. If I really wanted a Pokémon that is more common than herpes, I'd get it myself from Pokécheck.

Feb 18th, 2013, 2:41:57 AM	#18455
Hozu RNGenius Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 1,174 Orre	Oh, you don't have to advance the IVRNG at all for eggs. The frame 8 thing is automatically taken into account. __________________ McGillicuddy's Bazaar - Hidden Grotto encounter RNG guide for RNG reporter - Emerald Egg PID RNG guide - Misc 3rd gen info - incl. Emerald frontier/Orre Colosseum, frame offsets - Free events If I CMT in your thread please respond in mine. If I really wanted a Pokémon that is more common than herpes, I'd get it myself from Pokécheck.

Feb 18th, 2013, 2:51:29 AM	#18456
voodoo pimp Apply directly to the forehead Moderator Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 2,954	To see the missing IVs, right-click > Display Parents In Search, then input their IVs and click Get IVs from IVRNG (Frame 8), and that should give you all the details. __________________ Check out Smogon's new Doubles metagame! White FC: 4126-4421-4056 Black 2 FC: 3311-0920-4475 My Pokécheck Pokémon RNG is kind of like firing a gun. Why shoot blindly in every direction until you're lucky enough to hit the target when you can just take the time to aim properly and hit it with one shot?

Feb 18th, 2013, 3:37:57 AM	#18457
klock Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 995 New Jersey	Trying to RNG for ID/SID for my White 2 cartridge on the get-go. Seems like I need all the Seed Encryption variables first, though.. What's the usual VCount / Timer0 for White 2? EDIT: Or do I have to play through my White 2 first to the point where I can IV-check and do calibrations myself? Does anyone have any tips for ID/SID RNG'ing for first timers? (I have RNG experience in 4th/5th gen, but first time trying RNG on B2W2) __________________ Platinum FC : 4599-1750-5707[/URL]

Feb 18th, 2013, 4:12:47 AM	#18458
musicalbento Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 46 USA	RNGing on Black/White 2, when you calibrate to find your timer0's, is it better to use the most common timer0 or is it better to use the entire range that you get? __________________ my pokécheck

Feb 18th, 2013, 1:41:06 AM	#18452
MonsterXA Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 11	You are right. I have 2 modest nature right next to each other, but all I see is the 3 IVs inherited from the parent; for the others it is blank. Example: Fe Fe x Fe x x I am assuming the blanks = 31? because I searched for a flawless seed in time finder. Thank you.

Feb 18th, 2013, 2:03:51 AM	#18454
MonsterXA Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 11	Frame 8 of the IVRNG, hm... Could you please explain what that is? How do I check that? Sorry, I am new to rng in the 5th gen. Thank you

Feb 18th, 2013, 9:02:08 AM	#18459
championdiego Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 41	Is it possible to RNG the magikarp that guy sells on Marvelous Bridge?

Feb 18th, 2013, 12:04:55 PM	#18462
Misdreavus Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,210 Orlando, FL	When RNGing my ID/SID in B2/W2, what's a good frame range to use? Also, what are the purposes of the "Calculate Min Frame" and "Existing Save File" checkboxes? What exactly is meant by the "Starter" column? Is there a way to find what Timer0 I hit via the Pandora's Box Seed Finder? __________________ My other Rotom is a washing machine.

Feb 18th, 2013, 12:38:02 PM	#18463
goldnblue564 Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 7	When trying to PIDRNG does using sweet scent to find the pokemon mess up the frame?

Feb 18th, 2013, 12:41:56 PM	#18464
MonsterXA Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 11	So how accurate is the initial frame calculated from b/w international breeding? I seem to have hit my seed perfect yesterday and matching the chatot frames, but I can't anymore. I always hear random chatot pitches, I don't know if it's just my ears...

Feb 18th, 2013, 1:21:12 PM	#18468
Hozu RNGenius Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 1,174 Orre	It changes each time you save the game. It's usually 4-8 I think. __________________ McGillicuddy's Bazaar - Hidden Grotto encounter RNG guide for RNG reporter - Emerald Egg PID RNG guide - Misc 3rd gen info - incl. Emerald frontier/Orre Colosseum, frame offsets - Free events If I CMT in your thread please respond in mine. If I really wanted a Pokémon that is more common than herpes, I'd get it myself from Pokécheck.

Feb 18th, 2013, 1:50:20 PM	#18469
MonsterXA Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 11	Alright, I hit my seed and I think I have the desired pokemon I want. I heard it wasn't possible to trade the egg without losing it's shinyness when it's from international parents. Is it true?

Feb 18th, 2013, 2:37:06 PM	#18470
The Agonist Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,998 Reflecting ourselves in the blood of all the beings we slay.	Yes, that's true (actually in any situation, unless you RNG the egg to hatch shiny on the other game, it wouldn't ever hatch shiny, unless it was a shiny PID on that game as well, which is extremely unlikely). International parents changes something (forget what off the top of my head) that make it unable to be traded, and hatch shiny. __________________ #

Feb 18th, 2013, 2:37:39 PM	#18471
Hozu RNGenius Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 1,174 Orre	MM checks against YOUR TID/SID. Meaning that it stops rerolling for the PID when it's shiny on the save it came from. It wouldn't stop if you use someone else's TID/SID. __________________ McGillicuddy's Bazaar - Hidden Grotto encounter RNG guide for RNG reporter - Emerald Egg PID RNG guide - Misc 3rd gen info - incl. Emerald frontier/Orre Colosseum, frame offsets - Free events If I CMT in your thread please respond in mine. If I really wanted a Pokémon that is more common than herpes, I'd get it myself from Pokécheck.

Feb 18th, 2013, 3:42:38 PM	#18473
klock Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 995 New Jersey	@Princess of Johto @The Agonist Thank you guys for your helpful posts. I've successfully RNG'ed my ID/SID for White 2, now onto shiny starters! __________________ Platinum FC : 4599-1750-5707[/URL]