[Standard] Fallout 3 Mafia - Game Over! UncleSam and Flamestrike Win!

[UncleSam]

Ok yea I missed the edits but I love how no one has given any reasoning behind them.

By lynching me you may get a mafia...who is trying to fake his way to village leadership by claiming uninspectable? That's retarded.

By lynching makiri worst case is you confirm me as a mafia. By the way he claimed the same damn character as tas did.

So yea any villager with a brain will trust the inspector over idle speculation at this point.

[MK Ultra]

If you wish to change your vote from now on, please make a new post rather than editing it into an old one, unless it would result in a double post.

[vonFiedler]

Billymills proved that he's an announcer. He claims that he's Three Dog, who almost certainly would be an announcer, and would 100% be in this game as Wasteland. Now if he's a fake, the REAL Three Dog should come forward. Until then, he's 100% clean in my eyes, and the already VERY shady UncleSam isn't winning any favors from me when he tried to take control of the village.

lynch UncleSam

[UncleSam]

Oi Von so the fact that I'm "VERY shady" trumps an inspection result on a mafia? Are you seriously retarded?

Please tell me no one is listening to this.

Also I never fucking said Billy was mafia I said makiri was cause he is.

[vonFiedler]

An alleged inspection result, that could be from the other mafia (or you could be neutral). Either way, you were safeguarded last night and there's really no good reason a village safeguard would do that when it would only serve to "prove" your bullshit inspection claim.

[LifeAdmiral]

Epic shit going on in IRC right now.

Like I said, much more interesting than the passed out hooker on my bed.

[Objection]

OK, since we apparently "know" makiri is mafia (still trying to wrap my head around how because it was all written in capitals) and I sense there's no stopping the makiri bandwagon.

Retraced vote for UncleSam, but not voting makiri yet. If he really is a mafia, then you guys should be able to reach majority without my vote. Plus, if possible, I'd like to hear his defence. Who knows, maybe it will have major logical flaws (in which case I will vote makiri).

[Flamestrike]

Lynch makiri, no idea about US's trustworthiness but billy and IPL are also going with this so I see no reason not to go with it as well.

[vonFiedler]

lynch Makiri

[LightWolf]

lynch makiri

I want US cleaned as soon as possible(hint he is uninspectable, nowhere does it say, unquestionable)

[Veedrock]

Majority; that's 13/25 votes.

2-3 hour grace period. Speak now or forever hold your peace (or is it piece?).

[Veedrock]

DEADLINE.

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Day begins and there was little hesitation in its progression. UncleSam quickly made his way to the pedestal and claimed to possess evidence against makiri. Most citizens nodded to one another and placed their ballots quickly. But billymills and a few others were outspoken in their doubts of UncleSam. Just who does he think he is? Regardless of their concern, they had little else planned for the evening and followed along with the lynching of makiri.

The more able-bodied among you wrestled with makiri and took him around back to deliver a Wasteland-style execution. You then lined up and took aim with your various weaponry. After makiri fell to a bloody mess, somebody went to check him out. makiri turned out to be:

Originally Posted by Fat Veedrock

Dear makiri,
You are a Yao Guai.

Mutated from a Black Bear, you are extremely fast and agile. Because of these characteristics, once per night, you may send both iiMKUltra and Veedrock a PM titled ‘Night X – Charge User.’ You will run at User at full speed, stealing any items they may have.

<snip>

You are allied with The Creatures. You win if all other factions are eliminated.

"Told you so," muttered UncleSam. Doubts still circulated among you, but as the case always seems to be in the Capital Wasteland, day was short and night had fallen. You all retreat to your places of residence to brace for the night, with worries starting to grow over the bad blood from today's trial. It is said that the key to happiness was to never go to bed angry, but it seemed that certain individuals had no intentions of sleeping.
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It is now Night 1. Kills are now valid.

Deadline will be a minimum of 48 hours from this post. You do not want to idle; word on the street is that I like to rip out souls.

[billymills]

I take full credit.

[Da Letter El]

But veed

what if i really want to i_dle

[UncleSam]

Oh wow makiri was mafia.

How surprising.

Now then, BG get your ass on me as I would rather not be murdered this night.

[shade]

veedrock is a dickweed

bg would be wise to take caution, unclesam still leaves many unanswered questions on the table

[UncleSam]

I never fucking said to claim to me I said to protect me because no one will kill the announcer when they can have a go at the alliance checker.

[shade]

veedrock is a dickweed

so apparently is unclesam

[Objection]

Hmph. So much for hearing from both sides. Luckily the accused was actually guilty this time, but that won't always be the case.

And UncleSam, why should a BG protect someone who's not 100% confirmed village? Seriously, I'm still a noob here. I need a lot of things explained to me.

[UncleSam]

Because you and your mafia pals will kill what they KNOW to be the village alliance checker precisely because he "isnt 100% confirmed"???

Newsflash for ya buddy: no one is confirmed at this point but I've just proven both that I am an alliance checker and that, at the very least, I am not a member of one mafia. That's more than anyone else can say except for maybe Billy and, quite frankly, if we lose our announcer "who cares"?

The point is that I am an important role that is almost guaranteed to kick it tonight unless I get the BG to protect me!

[Objection]

Could you remind me why you think I'm mafia?

[UncleSam]

Because you argued and argued not to lynch an obvious mafia and even then you didn't vote that mafia???

Oh that's right and you tried to counterlynch the alliance checker. With no basis other than idle speculation.

Also you are trying desperately to get the BG off of me. Now why would one do that...

(psst do you need me to explain that last bit to you or do you get my insinuation that you are trying to kill me oh whoops there I said it).

[Blue_Tornado]

ok since i don't want the potentially cluelesss bg to actually do what you say, i'll pitch in

1) there are already enough reasons to think you are indeed allied with the other mafia, reasons which should be clear to you and hopefully the bg as well

2) both you and billy have essentially made your case better using your own abilities -- but, nothing forbids the possibility of said abilities belonging to a certain mafia member on your team (or simply having them yourselves). billy is more trust-able because a) the possibilities of a mafia inspector or alliance checker being present are a lot higher than a mafia announcer and b) his behavoir is not as awkward as yours.

let me explain the latter reason. firstly, you're an experienced mafia player. we've already have not 1 but 3 players mentioning the possibility of them leading, all as experienced (or more) than you are. despite that, you felt the urge of pub-claiming even though your role is absolutely terrible when it comes to leading. and you know that, but you still attempted at leading. the second thing that bothered me is something that's usually seen when a mafian is lynched -- overreaction. after only one lynch vote, you started to panic like crazy. evidence of this is your rage and the fact you felt it was ok to spill tas's name in one of your posts.

now, i know you keep claiming you were not trying to lead, but i mean seriously, just look at what you were doing. you pubclaimed when it wasn't needed, proposed and led a lynch on makiri, and of course, you kept insisting that after we lynch makiri we'll trust you, while you surely knew that's not true.

if you'd actually tried thinking more about your actions, you would have realized that 1) you're not a fitting role you lead, assuming that really is your role and 2) it's not needed. but you decided on doing it anyway. you really just had to because you felt you NEEDED to get your pm in the open, although it was really not needed. and i'm not buying the "i didn't want ipl leading and chaos etc etc" thing.. i mean honestly, it wasn't even day 1 yet.

overall i think that if you really were village, you wouldn't have acted this stupid. and if you ARE village, you deserve to get lynched because of playing poorly, really.

oh and i forgot the fact you're hastily accusing others of being mafia just because they dare oppose you.. yeah, good job with that

[Objection]

Nothing is obvious unless everyone knows why it's obvious. I did not know why it was obvious, so it was not obvious. Got that?

I argued and argued because your reasoning did not make logical sense and was based on the very big assumption that you were a villager (and an assumption that is allegedly difficult to prove). It is illogical to just assume that someone is a villager, which is why I am cautious with my claims (oh no, Objection won't give anyone a full role PM, that means he's mafia!!!!!1). Plus, you never told me how I could know that you weren't a weak role on a mafia team with an inspector of some sort and that makiri was a vital village role. As long as that was a possibility, I could not risk mislynching makiri, even if it was a small risk.

Plus, I tried to lynch you because you were basing your actions solely on the words of someone whom you implied was untrustworthy. An intelligent villager would have no logical reason to base their actions solely on the words of someone whom they themselves imply is untrustworthy (this means you're either a fucking moron or a bad guy, and you presented evidence to suggest that you're not a moron). Luckily, you actually explained this inconsistency, and that is why I retracted my vote.

That is not idle speculation, Unclesam. It's logic, and unlike role PMs and inspection results, logic cannot be faked. Logic > inspector. Got that?

Finally, I don't understand how I'm "desperately" trying to get the BG off of you. One post asking for reasoning =/= desperate.

You have to understand that disagreeing with you does not automatically make someone a bad guy, regardless of whether or not they were right to disagree with you. Still, if you're going to continue to believe that I'm mafia, then be my guest. Hell, you can even lynch me tomorrow if you like.

[UncleSam]

Hey bt in case you didn't notice it was three votes (including billys), and my "overreaction" resulted in a mafia lynch so nice point???

As for why I tried to lead: I didn't want people trusting Billy completely, and I figured that people would just fucking go along with it while I lynched mafias. Yes I foresaw problems if I lynched a villager, but what I didn't foresee was a bunch of idle speculation paranoia getting the better of everyone and people thinking it is a better idea to accuse the alliance checker than lynch mafia!

I admit that from your perspective I COULD be mafia, but I am undeniably more valuable to this team than an announcer. Also if I were mafia why the fuck would I care when I could just put my teams BG on myself?

Oh that's right I care because I don't have a team and both mafia know it and therefore I will be murdered at the first possible opportunity. Billymills will not because the mafia would rather rand village roles than kill announcers (then again when you have geniuses like objection on their team who knows...)

And as for my "poor play" it has already lynched a mafia so stop talking since your excellent play hasn't done anything yet?