Moody (Ubers Edition)

calze6 · Jan 20th, 2011, 7:42:26 PM

We all hate this...

Now that Inconsistent is banned in OU, let's discuss this for Ubers!

Inconsistent

Pokemon that can learn Inconsistent:

Smeargle (DW Unreleased)
Octillery (DW Released)
Glailie (DW Unreleased)
Bibarel (DW Released)

Sets:

Octillery@Leftovers
252HP/252Spd/4SAtk
Timid
-Substitute
-Protect
-Surf
-Flamethrower/Icebeam/Energy ball

Your basic inconsistent sweeper. Get a speed boost on anything harmless with protect, then sweep a team. Surf can be dropped if groudon is in team, energy ball can be used for kyogre.

Bibarel@Leftovers
252HP/252Spd/SAtk
-Substitute
-Protect
-Surf
-Taunt/Ice beam

Taunt can be used to block phazing moves like from lugia or groudon. Pretty much the same but different stat distribution and normal typing.

Weaknesses:

UHHHHHHHHHHHHH..........

Priority when sub is not down, Haze, Moves that can't miss (Aura sphere/Tunder in rain)

Why is inconsistent less broken in Ubers:

In ubers, you'll see a lot more thunders in rain and aura spheres. They can never miss ruining any evasion boosts. Phazing moves can still work and then the boosts reset. Moves are more powerful and may be able to break through substitutes. Toxic spikes is a lot more common, negating lefties. The released octillery and bibarel are also weal to thunder.

Why inconsistent is still broken:

After a lucky speed boost, then it can potentially sweep a team. Can stall out opponents with toxic spikes support. Can PP stall out thunder.

So let's discuss. Please just don't say INCONSISTENT IS FREAKING BROKEN AND NEEDS TO BE BANNED EVEN IN UBERS. We all know that...

iDunno · Jan 20th, 2011, 8:49:34 PM

You forgot Assist Power Smeargle:

Smeargle@Leftovers
252HP/252 Spe Timid
-Assist Power
-Baton Pass
-Protect
-Substitute

If you say this set is bad, then I highly doubt you have ever used it and / or ever faced it. IT CAN ACTUALLY OHKO JIRACHI AND BLISSEY WITH ENOUGH BOOSTS. Also if it ever faces a dark type, it can just baton pass to something insane like Restalk Kyogre with Calm mind or something else; it doesn't matter when you have boosted defensive and offensive stats from Inconsistant.

EDIT@Acritter: wups changed.

Acritter · Jan 20th, 2011, 8:57:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat iDunno

You forgot Assist Power Smeargle:

Smeargle@Leftovers
252HP/252 Spe Jolly
-Assist Power
-Baton Pass
-Protect
-Substitute

If you say this set is bad, then I highly doubt you have ever used it and / or ever faced it. IT CAN ACTUALLY OHKO JIRACHI AND BLISSEY WITH ENOUGH BOOSTS. Also if it ever faces a dark type, it can just baton pass to something insane like Restalk Kyogre with Calm mind or something else; it doesn't matter when you have boosted defensive and offensive stats from Inconsistant.

Um, slight problem. Assist Power is special, so your Smeargle should be Timid, not Jolly. Unless you want to boost your Struggles.

Focus · Jan 20th, 2011, 9:37:40 PM

I have had great success using octillery in standard Ubers:

Octillery @ leftovers
248HP / 96Def / 28SpD / 136Spe
Bold

-Substitute
-Protect
-Surf
-Toxic / Energy Ball

The greatest partner that I have come across is this annoying Erufuun:

Erufuun @ Leftovers
240HP / 216Def / 56 Spe
Bold

-Stun Spore
-Substitute
-Leech Seed
-Hurricane

Rain support is also preferable. With paralysis and/or leech seed support, octillery can more easily start the sub/protect cycle, using Surf and Toxic as necessary.

TorchicBlaziken · Jan 20th, 2011, 10:10:17 PM

You might as well use Bidoof, just because it's so hilarious to sweep with a Bidoof, and the very real chance that you'll win even though it's a Bidoof.

calze6 · Jan 20th, 2011, 11:28:17 PM

Lol, the sets are only for the released pokes yet. But yeah, assist power smeargle definitely deserves a set as well as ice breath glalie.

ssbbm · Jan 21st, 2011, 5:55:27 PM

INCONSISTENT IS FREAKING BROKEN AND NEEDS TO BE BANNED EVEN IN UBERS.

And still, Inconsistent is actually really easy to build a team around. Poison Arceus / Rapid Spinner + Inconsistent mon is amazing, especially since Forretress and Tentacruel can also lay down toxic spikes.

Bynine · Jan 21st, 2011, 6:10:02 PM

So, is the fact that Inconsistent is going to be in Ubers going to ruin it completely? Although it is merely the banning list for OU, I think this will destroy the Ubers metagame. If your foe has a Nattorei/Blissey/Forretress/what have you out, and you get a Bidoof in, it's game over unless you're incredibly unlucky/you don't have Toxic Spikes up.

***Jibaku**** · Jan 21st, 2011, 6:53:50 PM

Inconsistent probably won't even remain in Ubers after a while. I'm working to get it banned.

**trickroom** · Jan 21st, 2011, 6:59:23 PM

I thought nothing is banned in Ubers. Randomly slap in Perish Song or Curse to deal with Inconsistent? or the Unaware Quagsire can deal with them?
Rain Thunders and Aura Sphere helps. I hate evasion boosts since I missed a lot of moves.

ssbbm · Jan 21st, 2011, 7:01:35 PM

Well, things like Evasion moves and OHKOes are banned because they presumably make the game "uncompetitive"; I assume Inconsistent is the same way.

calze6 · Jan 21st, 2011, 7:09:42 PM

So inconsistent deserves a universal ban? Do we all agree?

**trickroom** · Jan 21st, 2011, 7:11:16 PM

Should be banned, since it makes lol things like Smeargle capable of sweeping entire teams with Assist Power alone.

ssbbm · Jan 21st, 2011, 10:15:15 PM

It should be banned for promoting reliance on "hax", also known as decreasing the importance of skill, strategy, and risk management (lol). If we wanted to ban it for power alone, Ho-oh and STag Shandy should be banned because they are (imo) the most powerful Pokemon in Gen V.

TorchicBlaziken · Jan 21st, 2011, 10:19:32 PM

No. It should not be banned. Banning it would defeat the purpose of Ubers.

Rather, a standard clause should be implemented, like OHKO and Evasion clauses. Note how OHKO and Evasion are not banned; they are forbidden by a clause. I believe that Inconsistent should receive the same treatment.

ssbbm · Jan 21st, 2011, 10:22:29 PM

Well, I assume that the people who are saying "ban" mean "make a clause".

calze6 · Jan 21st, 2011, 11:13:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat ssbbm

It should be banned for promoting reliance on "hax", also known as decreasing the importance of skill, strategy, and risk management (lol). If we wanted to ban it for power alone, Ho-oh and STag Shandy should be banned because they are (imo) the most powerful Pokemon in Gen V.

How is ho-oh so powerful? It's HP is cut in half from SR. While hard to counter, it is by no means the most powerful. ST Shandera hasn't been released yet. While it can pick off a whole team, it isn't that broken.

Most people are now treating ubers as a tier, not a banlist and besides, we can make a clause against it or advancing the evasion clause into abilities.

TM13IceBeam · Jan 22nd, 2011, 12:30:39 AM

Stealth Rock is no longer a problem for Ho-oh thanks to Regeneration, and even if its illegal with Roost it still has Recover for healing.

Also supporting Inconsistent clause for it makes Uber even more Inconsistent.

guanlong · Jan 22nd, 2011, 2:12:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat TM13IceBeam

Stealth Rock is no longer a problem for Ho-oh thanks to Regeneration, and even if its illegal with Roost it still has Recover for healing.

Also supporting Inconsistent clause for it makes Uber even more Inconsistent.

On the topic of Ho-Oh, SR really hurts it as it allows Draco Meteors from Palkia and MixQuaza to pick it off more easily.

I think that a check to Inconsistent is the Extreme Killer. If there are no Evasion or Defense boosts, the target will die horribly.

ZetoTarken · Jan 22nd, 2011, 10:49:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat TorchicBlaziken

Rather, a standard clause should be implemented, like OHKO and Evasion clauses. Note how OHKO and Evasion are not banned; they are forbidden by a clause. I believe that Inconsistent should receive the same treatment.

You do realize the definition of 'to ban' is 'to forbid' right? What you said means the same thing as "OHKO and Evasion are not forbidden; they are forbidden by a clause."

TorchicBlaziken · Jan 22nd, 2011, 12:14:15 PM

Yeah, I do. But, I think that that should be the method of banning, not being completely forbidden, like Kyogre is completely forbidden from UU.

Cooky · Jan 22nd, 2011, 1:45:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat iDunno

You forgot Assist Power Smeargle:

Smeargle@Leftovers
252HP/252 Spe Timid
-Assist Power
-Baton Pass
-Protect
-Substitute

If you say this set is bad, then I highly doubt you have ever used it and / or ever faced it. IT CAN ACTUALLY OHKO JIRACHI AND BLISSEY WITH ENOUGH BOOSTS. Also if it ever faces a dark type, it can just baton pass to something insane like Restalk Kyogre with Calm mind or something else; it doesn't matter when you have boosted defensive and offensive stats from Inconsistant.

EDIT@Acritter: wups changed.

With those Evs a Smeargle with +6 in every stat (just for arguments sake so Assist Power reaches base 860) deals 19.5% - 23% to standard Blissey and 14.3% - 17% to 4 HP Jirachi with Assist Power. You should probably think before you speak.

edit: absolutely rinsed, apologies man

ZetoTarken · Jan 22nd, 2011, 1:58:57 PM

You forgot to put him at +6 SpAtk for calculation purposes. It does 71.8% - 84.5% to 252/252 calm Blissey.
Also lets not forget the fact that Smeargle can just BP to a Ghost or Ground completely nullifying one of the two moves that can actually ignore your evasion boosts. Another notable BP partner is Arceus-Poison for its ability to absorb Toxic-Spikes while resisting Aura Sphere.

Loves_Eo · Jan 22nd, 2011, 4:42:52 PM

It should be banned because Ubers is NOT a place for stuff that is banned in other tiers. Something that is broken in OU may well be broken in Ubers as well, and in this case Inconsistent is broken in Ubers as well. What has changed from OU to Ubers Inconsistent?

- More chance of getting KO'd thanks to moves like Aura Sphere or Thunder.

So wait, there's a slightly higher chance of getting KO'd from Aura Sphere, if the opponent has that move on their team, if the user doesn't put the counter to sleep/recover/take next to nothing from Aura Sphere. Inconsistent will over centralise the meta-game, as every team will need 1 or 2 things which has Aura Sphere and Thunder, just to deal with Inconsistent.

calze6 · Jan 22nd, 2011, 6:35:47 PM

I believe one of the reasons of banning something from a tier is "overcentralising the metagame". I believe that inconsistent does exactly that.

Jan 20th, 2011, 7:42:26 PM	#1
calze6 Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 548	Moody (Ubers Edition) We all hate this... Now that Inconsistent is banned in OU, let's discuss this for Ubers! Inconsistent Pokemon that can learn Inconsistent: Smeargle (DW Unreleased) Octillery (DW Released) Glailie (DW Unreleased) Bibarel (DW Released) Sets: Octillery@Leftovers 252HP/252Spd/4SAtk Timid -Substitute -Protect -Surf -Flamethrower/Icebeam/Energy ball Your basic inconsistent sweeper. Get a speed boost on anything harmless with protect, then sweep a team. Surf can be dropped if groudon is in team, energy ball can be used for kyogre. Bibarel@Leftovers 252HP/252Spd/SAtk -Substitute -Protect -Surf -Taunt/Ice beam Taunt can be used to block phazing moves like from lugia or groudon. Pretty much the same but different stat distribution and normal typing. Weaknesses: UHHHHHHHHHHHHH.......... Priority when sub is not down, Haze, Moves that can't miss (Aura sphere/Tunder in rain) Why is inconsistent less broken in Ubers: In ubers, you'll see a lot more thunders in rain and aura spheres. They can never miss ruining any evasion boosts. Phazing moves can still work and then the boosts reset. Moves are more powerful and may be able to break through substitutes. Toxic spikes is a lot more common, negating lefties. The released octillery and bibarel are also weal to thunder. Why inconsistent is still broken: After a lucky speed boost, then it can potentially sweep a team. Can stall out opponents with toxic spikes support. Can PP stall out thunder. So let's discuss. Please just don't say INCONSISTENT IS FREAKING BROKEN AND NEEDS TO BE BANNED EVEN IN UBERS. We all know that... __________________ Computer back up! The end of gyara... Trickroom: yeah Gyarados isn't that great in Ubers. Try Jellicent maybe, since it worked out great for me. Gyarados kinda lacks recovery and bad stats which is horrible.

Jan 20th, 2011, 8:49:34 PM	#2
iDunno Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 1,134	You forgot Assist Power Smeargle: Smeargle@Leftovers 252HP/252 Spe Timid -Assist Power -Baton Pass -Protect -Substitute If you say this set is bad, then I highly doubt you have ever used it and / or ever faced it. IT CAN ACTUALLY OHKO JIRACHI AND BLISSEY WITH ENOUGH BOOSTS. Also if it ever faces a dark type, it can just baton pass to something insane like Restalk Kyogre with Calm mind or something else; it doesn't matter when you have boosted defensive and offensive stats from Inconsistant. EDIT@Acritter: wups changed. __________________ :3 yum Last edited by iDunno; Jan 20th, 2011 at 10:22:27 PM.

Jan 20th, 2011, 9:37:40 PM	#4
Focus Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 559 THORAX CORPORATION LLC,,.	I have had great success using octillery in standard Ubers: Octillery @ leftovers 248HP / 96Def / 28SpD / 136Spe Bold -Substitute -Protect -Surf -Toxic / Energy Ball The greatest partner that I have come across is this annoying Erufuun: Erufuun @ Leftovers 240HP / 216Def / 56 Spe Bold -Stun Spore -Substitute -Leech Seed -Hurricane Rain support is also preferable. With paralysis and/or leech seed support, octillery can more easily start the sub/protect cycle, using Surf and Toxic as necessary. __________________ [FONT=Arial]Insects are divided up into 3 different parts. The HEAD, the THORAX, and the ABDOMEN. The THORAX is the head of the insect. And that's what THORAX CORPORATION LLC,,. is all about. Getting you a HEAD of the rest. [/FONT] Last edited by Focus; Jan 21st, 2011 at 1:14:19 AM.

Jan 20th, 2011, 11:28:17 PM	#6
calze6 Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 548	Lol, the sets are only for the released pokes yet. But yeah, assist power smeargle definitely deserves a set as well as ice breath glalie. __________________ Computer back up! The end of gyara... Trickroom: yeah Gyarados isn't that great in Ubers. Try Jellicent maybe, since it worked out great for me. Gyarados kinda lacks recovery and bad stats which is horrible.

Jan 21st, 2011, 6:53:50 PM	#9
*Jibaku [02:06] <DixieNormous> Rodan x pookar: Just Do It Super Moderator** Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 5,910 Foursquare, a sprained ankle, bottlecap ninjas, and wallball	Inconsistent probably won't even remain in Ubers after a while. I'm working to get it banned. __________________

Jan 20th, 2011, 10:10:17 PM	#5
TorchicBlaziken Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 1,225 Use sunscreen!	You might as well use Bidoof, just because it's so hilarious to sweep with a Bidoof, and the very real chance that you'll win even though it's a Bidoof.

Jan 21st, 2011, 5:55:27 PM	#7
ssbbm Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,001 Where you can play Pokemon with Singing Narwhals and Dancing Clouds	INCONSISTENT IS FREAKING BROKEN AND NEEDS TO BE BANNED EVEN IN UBERS. And still, Inconsistent is actually really easy to build a team around. Poison Arceus / Rapid Spinner + Inconsistent mon is amazing, especially since Forretress and Tentacruel can also lay down toxic spikes.

Jan 21st, 2011, 6:59:23 PM	#10
trickroom Birds RULE kacaw! Moderator Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 944 Malaysia	I thought nothing is banned in Ubers. Randomly slap in Perish Song or Curse to deal with Inconsistent? or the Unaware Quagsire can deal with them? Rain Thunders and Aura Sphere helps. I hate evasion boosts since I missed a lot of moves.

Jan 21st, 2011, 7:01:35 PM	#11
ssbbm Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,001 Where you can play Pokemon with Singing Narwhals and Dancing Clouds	Well, things like Evasion moves and OHKOes are banned because they presumably make the game "uncompetitive"; I assume Inconsistent is the same way.

Jan 21st, 2011, 7:09:42 PM	#12
calze6 Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 548	So inconsistent deserves a universal ban? Do we all agree? __________________ Computer back up! The end of gyara... Trickroom: yeah Gyarados isn't that great in Ubers. Try Jellicent maybe, since it worked out great for me. Gyarados kinda lacks recovery and bad stats which is horrible.

Jan 21st, 2011, 7:11:16 PM	#13
trickroom Birds RULE kacaw! Moderator Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 944 Malaysia	Should be banned, since it makes lol things like Smeargle capable of sweeping entire teams with Assist Power alone.

Jan 21st, 2011, 10:15:15 PM	#14
ssbbm Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,001 Where you can play Pokemon with Singing Narwhals and Dancing Clouds	It should be banned for promoting reliance on "hax", also known as decreasing the importance of skill, strategy, and risk management (lol). If we wanted to ban it for power alone, Ho-oh and STag Shandy should be banned because they are (imo) the most powerful Pokemon in Gen V.

Jan 21st, 2011, 10:19:32 PM	#15
TorchicBlaziken Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 1,225 Use sunscreen!	No. It should not be banned. Banning it would defeat the purpose of Ubers. Rather, a standard clause should be implemented, like OHKO and Evasion clauses. Note how OHKO and Evasion are not banned; they are forbidden by a clause. I believe that Inconsistent should receive the same treatment.

Jan 21st, 2011, 10:22:29 PM	#16
ssbbm Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,001 Where you can play Pokemon with Singing Narwhals and Dancing Clouds	Well, I assume that the people who are saying "ban" mean "make a clause".

Jan 22nd, 2011, 12:30:39 AM	#18
TM13IceBeam Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 3,246 stuck in the past, locked in the present, banned from the future	Stealth Rock is no longer a problem for Ho-oh thanks to Regeneration, and even if its illegal with Roost it still has Recover for healing. Also supporting Inconsistent clause for it makes Uber even more Inconsistent. __________________ Start of turn 24 Natu used Grass Knot! It's super effective! The foe's Corsola lost 31% of its health! Riolu ftw Amazing Rotom-S is amazing KAKUNA i'm dead, don't bother contacting me

Jan 22nd, 2011, 12:14:15 PM	#21
TorchicBlaziken Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 1,225 Use sunscreen!	Yeah, I do. But, I think that that should be the method of banning, not being completely forbidden, like Kyogre is completely forbidden from UU.

Jan 22nd, 2011, 1:58:57 PM	#23
ZetoTarken Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 226 secret	You forgot to put him at +6 SpAtk for calculation purposes. It does 71.8% - 84.5% to 252/252 calm Blissey. Also lets not forget the fact that Smeargle can just BP to a Ghost or Ground completely nullifying one of the two moves that can actually ignore your evasion boosts. Another notable BP partner is Arceus-Poison for its ability to absorb Toxic-Spikes while resisting Aura Sphere. __________________ <Witty comment here> Last edited by ZetoTarken; Jan 22nd, 2011 at 2:11:15 PM.

Jan 22nd, 2011, 4:42:52 PM	#24
Loves_Eo Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 48	It should be banned because Ubers is NOT a place for stuff that is banned in other tiers. Something that is broken in OU may well be broken in Ubers as well, and in this case Inconsistent is broken in Ubers as well. What has changed from OU to Ubers Inconsistent? - More chance of getting KO'd thanks to moves like Aura Sphere or Thunder. So wait, there's a slightly higher chance of getting KO'd from Aura Sphere, if the opponent has that move on their team, if the user doesn't put the counter to sleep/recover/take next to nothing from Aura Sphere. Inconsistent will over centralise the meta-game, as every team will need 1 or 2 things which has Aura Sphere and Thunder, just to deal with Inconsistent. __________________ I love Eo, and I don't care what Folgorio says, he's mine. ALL MINE! -evil laugh- Support Eo and join the official Eo fan club! Support CAM and join!

Jan 22nd, 2011, 6:35:47 PM	#25
calze6 Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 548	I believe one of the reasons of banning something from a tier is "overcentralising the metagame". I believe that inconsistent does exactly that. __________________ Computer back up! The end of gyara... Trickroom: yeah Gyarados isn't that great in Ubers. Try Jellicent maybe, since it worked out great for me. Gyarados kinda lacks recovery and bad stats which is horrible.