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Gen 1 15/15/15/15 DVs are impossible (in most cases)

Discussion in 'Ruins of Alph' started by Zowayix, May 24, 2016.

  1. Crystal_

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    Yeah, any DV spread is possible fishing, see my post above. RNG stabilizes again due to being prompted to press the A button to advance the text that pops up before the fishing encounter. This applies to all rods.
  2. OM!

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    Does Gen1 include Pokémon Stadium (only the original, not the sequel) and Green versions? (Trade backs only from Stadium, mechanics and trade backs from Green)?
    I ask because it says GEN 1 not RBY
    I.e. Obtaining Surf Pikachu from Stadium.

    I ask it here, in case Green's DV mechanics may give more light on how to determine the viability and rules on how DVs and other cartridge limits take precedent.
  3. froggy25

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    Gen 1 includes Pokémon Stadium. Green is Japan-only.

    Green likely uses the same generation method as international RBY.

    You cannot B cancel in-game evolution trades.
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    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1N9ytjiNshJeYyzDpouFOFSAUefIXKsViazVLJExXBgY/edit?usp=sharing

    ok, used the spreadsheet hashtag posted and had a look at potential moveset restrictions as they pertain to DV combos. If I didn't leave a note, there's no moveset restriction based on DVs. The results... weren't all that interesting. Because most good moves come at higher levels (or by TM) you're looking at stuff like Scratch and Pound being restricted by DVs. By far the most notable was Arbok having its DVs restricted in order to run Wrap, otherwise nothing.

    As always, feel free to check yourself, I may have missed something, but otherwise that's it
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  5. froggy25

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    Surf Pikachu comes from the Game Boy cartridges, Pokémon Stadium simply lets you teach it Surf.
    Not that it matters since Yellow Pikachu can have any DV combination, but guessed you could change the note at the end of the spreadsheet :P

    You can get Eevee at Level 20 in Stadium

    And you could get a Lv 40 Rapidash and a Lv 20 Fearow as events with Pay Day (in Japan though)
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    As mentioned earlier, what's the situation about illegal IV/Nature combinations in generation 3-4 pokemon, like Hasty Defog Latios. Even during DPP era people were using these sets in Wi-Fi battles but there were no legitimate way to get them in game. Why is that scratched off and this topic isnt?
  7. OM!

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    What about Rock Smash? Can't you encounter Graveler, and Geodude that way?
    And what about Headbutt on trees?
    I assume it's similar to Fishing?

    If so, can you still obtain some perfect IV Golem?

    Also if you are talking about no tradebacks, does that exclude Stadium from being allowed? I mentioned this because then Psyduck can be obtained with Amnesia (making Amnesia Golduck allowed), as you can get it from Stadium.
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  8. Ortheore

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    Stadium is allowed, tradebacks are not, if you are using tradebacks you could probably just breed for max DV pokemon
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    But does using Rock Smash and Headbutt to encounter Pokémon work like Fishing? Thus, can it be a perfect DV? If so, Geodude can be caught this way and therefore Golem can be obtained.
    Or is it like a regular wild encounter?
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    Rock Smash does not exist in RBY and Headbutt has no overworld effect.

    The only RBY encounter types are: tall grass/surfing, fishing, legendary, trades/gifts.
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    Necroing thread, sorry, just wanna know are these discoveries going to be implemented in simulators in the end?

    Also:

    I just stumbled upon this https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Wood_box

    I checked 2 Hitmonchans rewarded in Stad1 in Round1 and Round2 with an editor, I couldn't find any specific difference about why R1 rewarded will have Normal Box, and R2 rewarded will have Gorgeous Box (Silver and Gold Trophies).

    The only thing that was different were DVs(IVs), and when transferred to Gen 2 that translated into a different Hidden Power, every other thing was identical between them.

    Does this also allude that Stad1 has a specific DV generator for rewarded Pokes, specific for each Round? I can send saves if needed...
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  12. BokePall1

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    Regadring Stad1 + Held Item when transferring to Gen 2, answer is here:
    https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pokémon_data_structure_in_Generation_I#Catch_rate.2FHeld_item

    Regarding Stad1 possibly having different DV generator because of the above, someone more code savvy should check...

    PS: Can someone please add these impossible DV findings to Bulbapedia? I would, but I dunno under what category to add it.
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    Yeah, the value normally used for Catch Rate is used to determine the held item when trading to GSC.

    The DV generation should be the same as the one for Psyduck, but I'll check if there is some sort of bias for the gifts after you beat GLC (which I hightly doubt).
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    Bulbapedia states Amnesia Psyduck always gets Normal Box fyi.

    Can you link me Catch/Capture Rates, I can only find them in percentages on wikis, not the exact values ala 30, 25, etc...
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    He was asking about the catch rates, which are available here:
    https://github.com/pret/pokered/tree/master/data/baseStats
    Note that some values are converted to other item IDs when trading over GSC.

    On the other hand, I'm having fun reversing the Gift Pokémon script. Gee, I wonder what kind of Pokémon this Pokéball could hold!

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    So, Yellow Pikachu can have any DV combination because it's a fixed event and not a true wild encounter (even though it is presented as one)?
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    Correct. It is not a wild encounter.
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