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2vs2 Tier List (as of december)

Discussion in 'Archives' started by RicepigeonKKM, Feb 4, 2006.

  1. RicepigeonKKM

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    Normally I'd do something like this, but it appears MythTrainerInfinity of Serebii beat me to it.

    original topic: http://www.serebiiforums.com/showthread.php?t=99498

    Imo:

    - Ludicolo, Shiftry, Gengar, Exeggutior, and Moltres need to be moved up toe 2nd tier
    - Jolteon, Huntail, & Gorebyss need to be moved to 3rd tier
    - Umbreon needs a massive jump to either 3rd or 4th tier.
    - Blissey need to be 4th tier, possibly even 3rd tier, its that good in 2vs2 (not as good as in 1vs1 but still good)
    - Ninjask needs to be moved to either borderline or one of the UU tiers
  2. Atlas

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    jirachi needs to be moved up a tier at least
  3. Kikuichimonji

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    Clefable should be bumped up one.

    I really don't see why there are so many "UU" tiers. Basically, tiers should go something like:

    Ubers
    Staple
    Other mainstays
    Common
    Usable
    Crap

    Maybe insert one tier in between "usable" and "crap," but I've found that in double battles, the line between something like Sudowudo and Ditto or Unown is so thin that it's practically non-existant. I dunno, maybe an intermediate between Usable and Crap would be for stuff that has some obscure use, like Butterfree who can Skill Swap Compoundeyes and stuff like that.

    I think the line between "common" and "usable" needs to be drawn. I mean, I really don't feel that Jolteon should be in the same tier with Mantine, but then Mantine isn't really UU in any regard, I'm sure he'd be banned if a 2vs2 UU metagame were to develop.

    Looking at it, there seems to be a lot wrong with the "common" tier. This is a single tier that contains Jirachi and Suicune, and Misdreavus and Miltank. I mean, you've got Gorebyss in the same tier with Alakazam, what's up with that?
  4. Atlas

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    gorebyss is a swift swimmer with 114 sp atk and 105 def. i think that warrants it to be in the same tier
  5. Yuri

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    This is basically Articuno64's tier list for the 386!

    And concurring with Kikuichimonji.
  6. RicepigeonKKM

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    Looking at Victreebel, I'd say it warrants some use. Chlorophyll is a godsend in 2vs2, and just for that I'm willing to give the bel a spin.
  7. Mekkah

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    How about just Uber, Standard, BL, UU? Or maybe one or two more tiers, but honestly 23902690 tiers is just asking for people to get nitpicky.
  8. Yuri

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    I think that 'Staple' gives people more insight in what they need to counter. I would be okay with just four tiers though.
  9. RicepigeonKKM

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    Yeah, needs to be reduced to at most 6 imo
  10. Yuri

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    Code:
    TIER 1: UBERS
    
    Deoxys 
    Deoxys-fr 
    Deoxys-lg 
    Groudon 
    Ho-oh 
    Kyogre 
    Latias 
    Latios 
    Lugia 
    Mew 
    Mewtwo 
    Rayquaza 
    
    
    TIER 2: STAPLE 
    
    Aerodactyl
    Deoxys-e 
    Exeggutor (moved from Standard)
    Gengar (moved from Standard)
    Gyarados 
    Kingdra 
    Metagross 
    Moltres (moved from Standard)
    Salamence 
    Zapdos
    
    
    TIER 3: COMMON
    
    Alakazam 
    Armaldo 
    Blaziken 
    Blissey (moved from Borderline)
    Charizard 
    Celebi 
    Claydol
    Clefable 
    Cradily 
    Donphan
    Dodrio 
    Dragonite 
    Dusclops
    Electrode
    Flygon
    Gardevoir
    Gorebyss 
    Heracross
    Huntail 
    Jirachi 
    Jolteon 
    Jumpluff
    Kabutops
    Lunturn
    Ludicolo
    Mantine 
    Marowak 
    Medicham (moved from Borderline)
    Milotic 
    Miltank 
    Minun
    Misdreavus 
    Omastar
    Porygon2 
    Plusle
    Raikou 
    Regice 
    Regirock 
    Rhydon
    Sceptile
    Shedinja 
    Shiftry
    Slaking
    Skarmory
    Slowbro 
    Snorlax 
    Starmie
    Stantler (moved from Average Underused)
    Steelix 
    Suicune
    Swampert 
    Swellow (moved from Borderline)
    Tauros 
    Togetic (moved from Average Underused)
    Tyranitar
    Victreebel
    Weezing 
    
    
    TIER 4: BORDERLINE
    
    Altaria 
    Arcanine 
    Articuno 
    Blastoise 
    Cloyster 
    Crobat 
    Electabuzz 
    Entei
    Espeon 
    Forretress 
    Golem 
    Granbull 
    Hitmontop 
    Houndoom 
    Kangaskhan 
    Lapras 
    Lunatone (moved from Good Underused)
    Mr. Mime
    Muk 
    Poliwrath 
    Quagsire 
    Qwilfish 
    Registeel 
    Solrock (moved from Good Underused)
    Tentacruel (moved from Good Underused)
    Tropius 
    Vileplume(moved from Good Underused)
    Venusaur 
    Umbreon (moved from Good Underused)
    Ursaring 
    Zangoose
    
    TIER 5: UNDER USED
    
    The rest
    [Hariyama (moved from Common)
    Luvdisc (moved from Borderline)
    Magneton (moved from Borderline)
    Manectric (moved from Common)
    Machamp (moved from Common)
    Ninjask (moved from Common)
    Sableye (moved from Borderline)
    Sunflora (moved from Borderline)
    Vaporeon (moved from Common)]

    My toughts about it. Maybe Borderline has too much pokes.
  11. RicepigeonKKM

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    Revising this as time goes by:

    Code:
    TIER 1: 00BERS
    Deoxys
    Deoxys-fr
    Deoxys-lg
    Groudon
    Ho-oh
    Kyogre
    Latias
    Latios
    Lugia
    Mew
    Mewtwo
    Rayquaza
    
    TIER 2: OVERUSED
    Aerodactyl
    Deoxys-E
    Exeggutor
    Gengar
    Gyarados
    Jolteon
    Kingdra
    Ludicolo
    Metagross
    Moltres
    Salamence
    Shiftry
    Slaking
    Umbreon
    Zapdos
    
    TIER 3: STANDARD
    Alakazam
    Blissey
    Celebi
    Claydol
    Clefable
    Dusclops
    Entei
    Flygon
    Gorebyss
    Heracross
    Houndoom
    Huntail
    Jirachi
    Jumpluff
    Kabutops
    Lanturn
    Minun
    Omastar
    Plusle
    Regice
    Regirock
    Rhydon
    Snorlax
    Starmie
    Tauros
    Victreebel
    
    [b]From here things get a bit shoddy, so fixes are welcome[/b]
    
    TIER 4: BORDERLINE
    
    Armaldo
    Arcanine
    Articuno
    Blaziken
    Charizard
    Cradily
    Crobat
    Donphan
    Dodrio
    Dragonite
    Dugtrio
    Electrode
    Gardevoir
    Hariyama
    Luvdisc
    Machamp
    Manectric
    Mantine
    Marowak
    Medicham
    Milotic
    Miltank
    Misdreavus
    Ninjask
    Porygon2
    Quagsire
    Raikou
    Registeel
    Sceptile
    Shedinja
    Skarmory
    Slowbro
    Steelix
    Solrock
    Suicune
    Swampert
    Tropius
    Tyranitar
    Vaporeon
    Weezing
    
    TIER 5: UNDERUSED
    Altaria
    Blastoise
    Cloyster
    Electabuzz
    Espeon
    Forretress
    Golem
    Granbull
    Hitmontop
    Kangaskhan
    Lapras
    Magneton
    Mr. Mime
    Muk
    Poliwrath
    Qwilfish
    Sableye
    Sunflora
    Swellow
    Venusaur
    Ursaring
    Zangoose
    
    TIER 6: NEVER USED
    Absol
    Ampharos
    Azumarill
    Banette
    Breloom
    Cacturne
    Camerupt
    Fearow
    Gligar
    Golduck
    Grumpig
    Hitmonlee
    Jynx
    Linoone
    Lunatone
    Magmar
    Meganium
    Nidoking
    Nidoqueen
    Piloswine
    Pinsir
    Primeape
    Sandslash
    Shuckle
    Tentacruel
    Typhlosion
    Vileplume
    Walrein
    Wobbuffet
    
    TIER 7: THE UNLISTED (help these poor hobos find a home)
    
    Aggron
    Ariados
    Bellossom
    Dunsparce
    Exploud
    Feraligatr
    Flareon
    Girafarig
    Glalie
    Hitmonchan
    Hypno
    Kecleon
    Octillery
    Persian
    Raichu
    Scizor
    Scyther
    Sharpedo
    Slowking
    Smeargle
    Stantler
    Swalot
    Tangela
    Togetic
    Xatu
    Arbok
    Dewgong
    Kingler
    Ledian
    Ninetales
    Noctowl
    Parasect
    Pidgeot
    Politoed
    Rapidash
    Raticate
    Seviper
    Sudowoodo
    Torkoal
    Venomoth
    Whiscash
    Wigglytuff
    Yanma
    Butterfree
    Crawdaunt
    Farfetch'd
    Furret
    Lickitung
    Nosepass
    Relicanth
    Seaking
    Sneasel
    Wailord
    Aipom
    Beautifly
    Beedrill
    Castform
    Chimecho
    Corsola
    Delcatty
    Delibird
    Dustox
    Illumise
    Magcargo
    Masquerain
    Mawile
    Mightyena
    Murkrow
    Pelipper
    Roselia
    Spinda
    Volbeat
    Ditto
    Unown
  12. Yuri

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    What the fuck, please organize that ;[
  13. Zero

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    Uber, OU, BL, UU, NU should be it. Maybe two tiers for OU if you really want to separate the lesser used OUs from the ones that are always used.
  14. Sir Spanky

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    Separation of Venusaur etc from Salamence is nice.

    Spanky
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    imo you should make a list from scratch so we don't have to bother with credit, especially when it's some shitty list from serebii we'd need to credit
  16. RicepigeonKKM

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    The list is being redone, hopefully itll be finished soon
  17. Mekkah

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    Since there is no such thing as playing 2v2 UU, or because it is so undevelopped, I don't think you need to distinct UU and NU. Uber, BL, Standard, UU is all you need, MAYBE with another standard tier (though I wouldn't call them OU and standard, that's confusing since it's practically the same).
  18. Warthog

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    agreeing with Mekkah, since theres maybe on a dozen people playing this we dont need the tiers that broken up.

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