ZhengTann
Nargacuga
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Illegal Orders
There has been occassions where illegal orders were made to the advantage of those who made them. Apparently there is cause for concern that such an issue might be exploited maliciously, so after a Discussion (link up there), the Council will attempt to come to an agreement upon the solution. Slate is as follows:
Retain the current method
Use Dogfish44's method
Use Frosty's method
Use Pwnemon's method
Zt's interpretation of "Current Method" said:
- If an order is made illegal during the round (eg. Taunted A1 before you could Toxic A2 and Reflect A3), then the Pokemon spends an action doing nothing and subsequent actions Struggling.
- If an order is illegal before reffing (as in, you are Taunted last round but still reorder Toxic this round), then a reorder is mandated (I'm saying "mandated" and not "allowed" because I wish to avoid discretion issues where people will start arguing back and forth to protect their own interests).
- Substitutions that are made unavailable in-match (as in, you are already Taunted but still subbed for Taunt in case of an opponent's Toxic) will activate, and replace the subbed move with doing nothing, then Struggle.
- Illegal substitutions (in other words, substitutions that would not have worked whatsoever in battle) are automatically discounted.
Dogfish's Method said:Orders which cannot be performed are replaced by Struggle. All substitutions that are of a legal syntax activate, those which are of an illegal syntax or those which call a move which is illegal do not - but they still count towards the substitution limit.
Frosty's Method said:1) When the illegal order is given by the player ordering last, the ref has to determine a reorder.
2) When the illegal order is given by the player ordering first and the ref or the player ordering last notice and point out it before any other orders, the player ordering first has to reorder
3) When the illegal order is given by the player ordering first, and any other orders were given after that the ref will warn the player at the first time and let him/her reorder. On the subsequent times the illegal order will become struggle.
OBS1 - If the illegality of the order is questionable, to the point of having to ask for an official ruling to a Council Member or Deck Knight then a reorder must be held.
OBS2 - If the player that posted the illegal order was warned for that on other battle less than 1 week before the illegal order and has more than 5 battles finished then the ref will change the action with struggle right away
OBS3 - On Gym Matches or Highlight Matches, when OBS1 doesn't apply, the ref will replace the illegal action with struggle right away. The player should pay 100% attention on those.
OBS4 - If the player is caught maliciously abusing illegal orders when ordering first, not only will it become struggle, but also the player is subject to a formal warn, losing the match or even worse punishments depending on the case and always with the agreement of one member of the council or a mod.
IRV voting format, so with all the best intentions, let's get started!Pwnemon's Method said:
- In matches tagged "Ongoing," in the case of an illegal order, the player that ordered illegally is allowed to reorder (unless it is otherwise specified in the original Battle Tower posts). Illegal subs will be ignored. (Unless otherwise stated in the original Battle Tower posts)
- In matches not tagged "Ongoing," in the case of an illegal order, that action is replaced with Struggle. In the case of an illegal substitution, that substitution is ignored. The creator of a roleplay has the right to determine whether more 'lenient' or 'harsh' illegal order rules will be used.
- If the illegality of the order is questionable—to the point of having to ask for an official ruling to a Council Member or Deck Knight—or if the order itself is questionable—and thus interpreted by diktat of a Councillor or Deck Knight—in a way that causes it to be illegal, then a reorder must be held.
My vote:
Use Dogfish44's method
Use Pwnemon's method
Use Frosty's method
Retain the current method
After doing some reading and comparison, I'm starting to think that we're just pretty much writing towards the same goals, only with different word counts. But what makes Dogfish's proposal appeal to me is the non-discrimination between regular Tower matches and roleplays.
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