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One small question... Is there a reason why you recommended restarting after I find my initial ID frame, and then looking for my other starting frame? Is there something I do during the first one that impacts the other? Or, can I just figure out both initially, and then move on from there?
 
Okay. I looked at the first page and I am having a little trouble figuring out how to get started on RNGing a Coballion in White.

Can anyone help me? Btw, if you are wondering, yes I have RNG before. I have worked with Pokemon in SS.
 
Okay. I found my White Parameters, and I've found a seed I want.

Seed: 30F1518FB9955D6C
Date/time: 5/10/2011 07:04:45
PID starting frame: 52
Desired Shiny PID: 65

Where do I go from here if I want to abuse an ID/SID combo?
 

Kaphotics

Remodeling Kitchens
is a Top Researcher Alumnusis a Top Contributor Alumnus
RNGing shiny starter IDs with Researcher as opposed to Pandora's Box:

Basically it is just a calibration first, execution second.
Be careful with timer0 and keypress seeds, at the moment.
The benefit of this method is only having to use one seed for IDs and starter nature/IVs.


Set up researcher like so.

It will look exactly the same, except I deleted and moved stuff in the image.

Code:
0. Delete previously existing save game.
1. Hit target seed, never say no to Juniper. Note down Trainer ID. 
2. Scroll through researcher to find the Trainer ID you hit. 
      if you missed your seed, go back to one.
      The frame your IDs exist on is your [U]Initial ID Frame[/U]. (around 35)
3. Save game.
4. Hit seed again, get starter. Note the nature.
5. Hit seed again, save once, get starter. Note the nature.
Repeat until you find the nature pattern in Researcher.
Corresponding Nature and Number List:
0) Hardy
1) Lonely
2) Brave
3) Adamant
4) Naughty
5) Bold
6) Docile
7) Relaxed
8) Impish
9) Lax
10) Timid
11) Hasty
12) Serious
13) Jolly
14) Naive
15) Modest
16) Mild
17) Quiet
18) Bashful
19) Rash
20) Calm
21) Gentle
22) Sassy
23) Careful
24) Quirky
Code:
6. The frame your nature pattern starts on is your [U]Initial Nature Frame[/U]. 
       It will be around ~55

End calibration phase. Time to get your shiny starter!

7. Find your wanted nature [[U]Target Nature Frame[/U]], 
       it must be in the frames following your initial nature frame, 
              not before.
8. Look one frame before that target nature. 
       So long as the High32 Bit does not end in zero, you are fine.
9. Do the math to find out how many advances you need to do.

ID   Advancements: (Target Nature Frame - 1 - Initial ID Frame)
Save advancements: (Target Nature Frame - Initial Nature Frame)
Code:
10. Delete old calibration save file. 
11. Hit seed when you start a new game. 
       Say no to Juniper's "Is your name XXX?" 
       according to how many ID advancements you need to do.
12. Confirm you hit your IDs. 
      If you surely hit your seed, find what frame you hit in researcher.
      If not, go back to 11.
13. Save game. Time to hit your seed again.
14. Hit seed, save your game depending on how many advancements you need.
      Confirm shiny. 
      If you surely hit your seed, you didn't hit your frame. 
              find what nature you hit in researcher.
      If not, repeat and hit your seed.
[11:35] kaphotics: first question: does your wanted IV spread have a keypress or not?
[11:35] JJackson9995: I believe Left iirc
[11:35] JJackson9995: I've hit it before
[11:35] kaphotics: Ok, bad news lols
[11:35] kaphotics: keypresses tend to increase your timer0 you hit by 1
[11:35] kaphotics: so you won't be hitting that seed much
[11:35] JJackson9995: Really?
[11:36] kaphotics: when I rng'd my shiny hpfire timid snivy, I hit my seed 5 times out of 24
[11:36] JJackson9995: my Timer0 is C7F for the seed, but I commonly get C80 too I think
[11:36] JJackson9995: Ouch
[11:36] kaphotics: right
[11:36] kaphotics: so if you want a keypress seed you'd hit often, find one C80


[11:36] kaphotics: second question
[11:36] kaphotics: did you see my reply to you last night?
[11:37] kaphotics: http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3431001&postcount=3624
[11:40] kaphotics: so once you find a (c80 keypress)/(c7f none) seed you can start

[11:40] JJackson9995: Okay. So once I get a proper C80 IV seed... What would come next? I think I'm having trouble understanding everything about PIDs

[11:40] kaphotics: Ok
[11:40] kaphotics: for now, you are going to go through my example using my seed
[11:40] kaphotics: and you'll learn how to use researcher
[11:41] kaphotics: So in my image I included of the setup
[11:41] kaphotics: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12206225/RNG/Starter.png
[11:41] kaphotics: I deleted some of the stuff, and I put in some text via paint
[11:41] kaphotics: so if it looks foreign it's my image making skillz

[11:42] kaphotics: Basically all you do is pop open researcher
[11:42] JJackson9995: As long as I get the basics, I'm sure it'll come together
[11:42] kaphotics: click BWRNG (not BWRNGR)
[11:42] kaphotics: go to the top right and make them look like the image
[11:42] kaphotics: paste in your seed, make max results 100 because we dont need to many
[11:42] kaphotics: and then generate
[11:43] JJackson9995: Using your seed though for now?
[11:43] kaphotics: yeah
[11:43] JJackson9995: Numbers never change though otherwise?
[11:43] kaphotics: If you set it up properly, it should be the exact same
[11:47] kaphotics: so long as you get the custom 1, custom 2, and custom 4 columns
[11:47] kaphotics: so for my seed, when I hit it, I start a new game
[11:48] JJackson9995: Hit the IV seed?
[11:48] kaphotics: yes
[11:48] kaphotics: I just get my new game going, properly entering everything,
[11:48] kaphotics: not saying "no", and I check my ID
[11:48] JJackson9995: Which ID? Trainer?
[11:48] kaphotics: yeah
[11:48] kaphotics: cuz SID is invisible
[11:48] kaphotics: then I scroll through researcher and find my TID frame
[11:48] kaphotics: that's the initial ID frame, whenever I hit my seed
[11:49] kaphotics: so then I save, and hit my seed again and pick up my starter
[11:49] JJackson9995: Gotcha. So I should be able to see my TID in Custom 1
[11:49] kaphotics: yep
[11:49] JJackson9995: And that gives the initial ID frame. Cool cool

[11:49] kaphotics: so on the second time I hit it, I am looking for the initial PID frame for my starter
[11:49] kaphotics: easily found by the nature pattern
[11:50] kaphotics: so I'd hit it once, get my starter and check for the nature
[11:50] kaphotics: hit it again, save once (for a +1 frame advancement), and check the new nature
[11:50] kaphotics: once I know the pattern of natures I hit
[11:50] kaphotics: I look on the custom4 column
[11:51] kaphotics: there's a list of the (# -> Nature) online for like AR code nature editing videos
[11:51] kaphotics: so for my image
[11:51] JJackson9995: Yeah. I can use some Google-fu
[11:51] kaphotics: lets say I saw my starters natures started out on timid, etc
[11:51] JJackson9995: So.. This whole time, you're only ever hitting that first seed at this point?
[11:51] kaphotics: yep
[11:52] kaphotics: and that pattern started out on 74, I circled the timid nature
[11:52] kaphotics: the way PIDs and nature are generated
[11:52] kaphotics: PID is generated from the frame 73, and nature from 74
[11:52] kaphotics: PID is generated before 74.
[11:52] kaphotics: So if my starter's nature was on frame 74, the PID of my starter is on frame 73
[11:53] kaphotics: (in actuality, my starters PID frame was 56)
[11:53] kaphotics: so then I find my wanted nature in custom 4
[11:53] kaphotics: go back a frame to find the PID of my starter

[11:54] JJackson9995: So... Nature from PID frame +1
[11:55] JJackson9995: So... Hit the seed, get TID... Find starting frame
[11:55] JJackson9995: Then... Restart, hit seed, get starter and find nature
[11:55] JJackson9995: Then do the save trick a few times to get a nature pattern
[11:56] kaphotics: yep
[11:56] kaphotics: then you find your target starter PID frame
[11:56] kaphotics: and that target frame is the same for your IDs, because thats how the shiny calc works
[11:56] kaphotics: then you just hit the seeds with the right amount of advancements and blam shiny
[11:57] JJackson9995: Okay. That's where my confusion is...
[11:57] JJackson9995: So... Let's say based on your SS
[11:57] JJackson9995: You want PID from 73 and nature from 74?
[11:57] JJackson9995: Right?
[11:57] kaphotics: Yes
[11:57] kaphotics: Lets say I wanted an adamant tepig
[11:57] kaphotics: Adamant's nature # is 3
[11:57] kaphotics: That's on frame 70
[11:58] kaphotics: the PID frame I'd want is 69
[11:58] JJackson9995: Alright. Gotcha there
[11:58] kaphotics: so my target ID frame is 69, and target PID frame is 69
[11:58] kaphotics: and since I know my initial ID frame and initial PID frame
[11:58] kaphotics: math gives me the amount of advancements I need
[11:58] JJackson9995: Which is the 6548 and 9658
[11:58] JJackson9995: ?
[11:59] JJackson9995: Wait... I misunderstood a bit
[11:59] kaphotics: Custom 1 column is IDs
[11:59] JJackson9995: I get the initial ID frame
[11:59] kaphotics: k
[11:59] JJackson9995: Oh... And the initial PID frame is from nature pattern
[12:00] kaphotics: so if I did hit my IDs, my TID would show 6548
[12:00] kaphotics: and the SID is hidden of course, but it's there so you can write it for later

[12:01] JJackson9995: So... Am I seeing anything about the PID frame in Researcher?
[12:01] JJackson9995: Or that's just "Nature"
[12:02] JJackson9995: This is where I get lost
[12:02] JJackson9995: I understand finding TID and getting my starting frame
[12:02] JJackson9995: That's the easy stuff for my brain
[12:02] kaphotics: the PID would be the number under the 32Bit High column, +/- 10000 hex
[12:03] kaphotics: you really don't have to care about it to be honest
[12:03] JJackson9995: I even get finding a nature pattern.
[12:03] JJackson9995: How do I ensure I make them match up though?
[12:03] kaphotics: it's not hard to do so
[12:04] JJackson9995: Like... If I'm starting on frame 50 in the ID area... But 60 in the other... What would I need to do exactly?
[12:04] kaphotics: 50 in the ID area and 60 for what
[12:04] JJackson9995: The Natures
[12:04] kaphotics: oh ok
[12:04] JJackson9995: Or should it just always match up to this, and all the stars will align? :-)
[12:05] kaphotics: ID Advancements: (Target Nature -1 - (Initial ID))
[12:05] kaphotics: Save advancements (Target Nature - Hit Nature)
[12:05] kaphotics: save advancements can be restated as (Target PID - Hit PID)
[12:06] kaphotics: and ID advancements can be restated as (Target PID - Initial ID)
[12:06] JJackson9995: Okay... That helps a bit I think
[12:07] kaphotics: when you are actually doing the process it makes much more sense
[12:08] JJackson9995: So... Once I get everything figured out, I restart and just get it all to line up?
[12:08] kaphotics: yeah
[12:09] JJackson9995: And, I can advance the nature frame by saying no to the name correct part, or saving.. Right?
[12:09] kaphotics: you save the game
[12:09] kaphotics: each time you save is +1
[12:09] kaphotics: and for the ID portion you just say no to "your name is Viss?"
[12:09] kaphotics: that's +1
[12:09] JJackson9995: OH!!!
[12:09] JJackson9995: That's something I think I was messing up pretty good then
[12:10] JJackson9995: So... Name ? is for IDs and saves for Natures
[12:10] kaphotics: yep
[12:10] JJackson9995: And... How is this ensuring a shiny?
[12:11] JJackson9995: I get all of the steps. Just confused how I get a shiny by doing that
[12:11] JJackson9995: Or is that the use of Researcher
[12:11] kaphotics: the way shininess is determined
[12:11] kaphotics: it just is usually
[12:11] kaphotics: So my target frame was 73
[12:12] kaphotics: High 32 bits of frame 73 557BCDDA
[12:12] kaphotics: 557BCDDA, I then xor by 10000
[12:12] kaphotics: 557ACDDA
[12:13] kaphotics: 557A xor CDDA xor 557B xor (CDDA - 1)
[12:13] kaphotics: is almost always less than 5
[12:13] JJackson9995: xor?
[12:13] kaphotics: it's a (0/1) bit calculation
[12:13] kaphotics: basically an addition and divide by 2 if even of each bit
[12:13] kaphotics: too complex for now
[12:14] kaphotics: in theory, if you have the same ID frame and PID frame
[12:14] JJackson9995: Okay... So now I'm looking back at your post
[12:14] kaphotics: it will be shiny
[12:14] JJackson9995: This all clarifies it a but
[12:14] kaphotics: If you put your seed into RNG Reporter Method 5 PIDRNG
[12:14] kaphotics: with your target IDs
[12:14] kaphotics: it'll tell you if it will be shiny
[12:15] kaphotics: 99% of the time, it will
[12:15] JJackson9995: Gotcha
[12:15] JJackson9995: So... I find an ideal nature... And then just make everything match up the the frame just before it
[12:16] kaphotics: it'd be shiny with that nature, and IVs
[12:16] kaphotics: yay RNG
[12:16] JJackson9995: LOL. I think I get it... At least FAR better than I used to
[12:16] kaphotics: thats good
[12:16] JJackson9995: Researcher makes it far easier of course
[12:16] JJackson9995: Understanding it, makes it tons easier
[12:16] kaphotics: yeah, basically all RNG Reporter does is interpret the data calculated from the seed
[12:16] JJackson9995: Now I just gotta go search for a seed in C80.
[12:17] kaphotics: Researcher shows you the uninterpreted data, and you can make up new methods with it
[12:17] JJackson9995: Bah. Why'd my C7F Frame 1 seed have you have a keypress!!!
[12:17] kaphotics: yeah, it's a bummer
[12:17] JJackson9995: Alright! Thanks a TON!
[12:17] kaphotics: I think Pandora's box does whatever we just covered
[12:17] kaphotics: but I prefer researcher lolol
[12:17] JJackson9995: Hey... I'll use whatever I can learn on :-D
[12:17] kaphotics: cuz programs can be buggy and not be correct
[12:17] kaphotics: yeah
[12:18] kaphotics: <3 the research thread and help thread
[12:18] kaphotics: that's all we ask
 
Suppose I better ask it now so I can save myself a lot of searching. I am trying to get a flawless Roamer seed generated that has Hidden Power Ice. Is that possible for flawless pokes? Are is Dark the only Hidden Power available for flawless spreads? If so, what IV Spread would one recommend I search for in regards to Thundurus?
 

Bond697

Dies, died, will die.
Okay. I found my White Parameters, and I've found a seed I want.

Seed: 30F1518FB9955D6C
Date/time: 5/10/2011 07:04:45
PID starting frame: 52
Desired Shiny PID: 65

Where do I go from here if I want to abuse an ID/SID combo?
pandora's box, 5th gen tab. in "search by", check "seed" and fill in that seed you have and also frame 65 and the date. click to search and you're set. pick a seed from the bottom and you should be good to go. pandora's box is done and works great, there is literally no reason at all to use researcher for ID abuse now that pandora's box is done and working well.
 
Just wondering I have Found my EGG Spreed

M/M/F
HP/attack/ Defense/Random/Random/Random

I know I can force IV to pass using the Power Items in this case I would force down Speed. Making it

31/31/ 31/Random/Random/31

Is there anyway to find out if I can get a set near perfect without having the last two be random?
 
pandora's box, 5th gen tab. in "search by", check "seed" and fill in that seed you have and also frame 65 and the date. click to search and you're set. pick a seed from the bottom and you should be good to go. pandora's box is done and works great, there is no reason at all to use researcher for ID abuse.
Awesome! Thanks a lot! And what do the starter False/True things mean?
 

Slashmolder

'Ello Governor
is a Programmer Alumnusis a Top Researcher Alumnus
when you did the search did you make sure to change the option from wild encounter to roamers?

if not, the same seeds yield completely different results, so this could explain continuously hitting the same/right seed (especially when you've done it consistently before) but not getting the right IVs.

if this isn't the issue, maybe your just starting to hit a different Timer0 value? I know this happened when I was RNGing a reshiriam, I calibrated like 6 times and got the same value everytime, but when it got to actually RNGing, I started hitting different seeds... about half of the time for some reason... it was the Timer0 value being funky...
I doubt it's the first one because I still do occasionally hit the proper seed and IVs.
It probably is something weird with the Timer0. I have noticed that problems like this are more abundant when I'm doing a seed with no keypresses.
 
Just wondering I have Found my EGG Spreed

M/M/F
HP/attack/ Defense/Random/Random/Random

I know I can force IV to pass using the Power Items in this case I would force down Speed. Making it

31/31/ 31/Random/Random/31

Is there anyway to find out if I can get a set near perfect without having the last two be random?
How did you find your egg spread?
 

Kaphotics

Remodeling Kitchens
is a Top Researcher Alumnusis a Top Contributor Alumnus
I doubt it's the first one because I still do occasionally hit the proper seed and IVs.
It probably is something weird with the Timer0. I have noticed that problems like this are more abundant when I'm doing a seed with no keypresses.
We're seeing that using a Keypress increases your calibrated timer0 by 1.

Just wondering I have Found my EGG Spreed

M/M/F
HP/attack/ Defense/Random/Random/Random

I know I can force IV to pass using the Power Items in this case I would force down Speed. Making it

31/31/ 31/Random/Random/31

Is there anyway to find out if I can get a set near perfect without having the last two be random?
You can't inherit 4 IVs, so your logic there is wrong.

The 2 'random' IVs come from the MTRNG Seed, be it standard or C-Gear.
thank you :) where can I download it?
first post...
 
You can't inherit 4 IVs, so your logic there is wrong.

The 2 'random' IVs come from the MTRNG Seed, be it standard or C-Gear.
I know you can only inherit 3 Ivs, But doesn't the Power Item force Down a 4th one of your choosing? So that would only make it so there is 2 Random ones? Is that correct or am I missing something?
 
Suppose I better ask it now so I can save myself a lot of searching. I am trying to get a flawless Roamer seed generated that has Hidden Power Ice. Is that possible for flawless pokes? Are is Dark the only Hidden Power available for flawless spreads? If so, what IV Spread would one recommend I search for in regards to Thundurus?
Hidden Power is determined by IVs, so no, it's impossible to get fully flawless with HP Ice. You want 31/30/30/31/31/31 (best HP Ice spread with max Speed). As you probably won't be using its Attack stat, an IV of 2, 6, 10, 14, 18, 22, or 26 in Attack will also yield HP Ice 70.
 

Kaphotics

Remodeling Kitchens
is a Top Researcher Alumnusis a Top Contributor Alumnus
I know you can only inherit 3 Ivs, But doesn't the Power Item force Down a 4th one of your choosing? So that would only make it so there is 2 Random ones? Is that correct or am I missing something?
No, power item forces the first IV inherited to be as specified by the held item/parent. Then 2 more follow from the RNG.
 
Well I was at the part where I put in my MAC address. And when I followed that part, I went to the online part of C-Gear. So when I click the bottom left part of the screen it said, 'configure my connection' or something like that.

So I remember I could check my MAC Address at System settings on my DS, so I enter that part int he RNG reporter. But when I got done with that part, I got to the criteria part. Which is confusing me with all that info to put in. First off, I don't know which seed I need or delay or whatever. All I know is the IVs I want.
 
I'm going to try to hit this (ID/SID Abuse):

Seed: 3258EDD89C9FDFE4
Date: 4/6/2011
Time: 00:09:24
Frame: 33
ID/SID: 48636/49665
Starter: True
Button: None

What does the bolded part mean?
 
I've been following bearsfan's videos that he posted and I have all that down but I'm trying to apply it to wild pokemon now.

Is there anyway to figure out which pokemon you're going to run into after using sweet scent? I'm trying to rng a scraggy but he doesn't always come up after sweet scent, so it's kind of annoying when trying to get the right nature.
 

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