1. Welcome to Smogon Forums! Please take a minute to read the rules.
  2. Welcome to Wi-Fi! Please remember to read the rules and do NOT create a new thread for simple trades or Friend Safari codes.
  3. Click here to ensure that you never miss a new SmogonU video upload!
  4. Ever find yourself missing out on the latest Smogon articles? We've now got a subscription service, so the newest articles (of your choice) are delivered right to your inbox! Check it out here.

5th Gen PRNG Help / Info - Latest: RNG Reporter 9.96.5, PPRNG 1.15.0

Discussion in 'Wi-Fi' started by Slashmolder, Dec 1, 2010.

  1. radishes

    radishes

    Joined:
    Oct 11, 2012
    Messages:
    23
    Hello, I'm new to RNG-ing and wanted to hopefully find the answers to a few questions about setting up parameters! I read through the original post and the BW2-related posts and had a few things I was unsure of, but apologies if they're rather obvious answers that I missed.

    Since my version of White 2 is brand new and I haven't played through any of it yet, is it possible to use the IV-method with your starter pokemon to determine parameters? Or do you have to use sweet scent with a wild pokemon? Since I don't have a Mac to use the Unova-link method, I was planning on using the IV-method in conjunction with Pokecheck to come up with results. I'm guessing it'll probably be a bit more difficult since I'm trying to get the parameters at the start of the game, but since I want to ID/SID abuse for a shiny starter my choices are kind of limited.

    Anyway, thanks in advance for any help!
  2. Deltablazy

    Deltablazy

    Joined:
    Oct 30, 2011
    Messages:
    21
    When calibrating DS parameters for timer0, do keypresses affect timer0 values (more specifically, L/R buttons)?
  3. voodoo pimp

    voodoo pimp Apply directly to the forehead
    is a Forum Moderator Alumnus

    Joined:
    Oct 12, 2010
    Messages:
    2,963
    I'm a little confused now, what exactly are you trying to do?
    There's no such thing as "shiny spreads" in 5th gen, since PID and IVs are unrelated. Any spread can be shiny with any ID/SID.
    You could do it with your starter theoretically, but if you're using Pokécheck that won't be very efficient since you can't use it until after you get the C-Gear anyway.
  4. kiddu

    kiddu

    Joined:
    May 1, 2010
    Messages:
    423
  5. SwampertGirl

    SwampertGirl

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2009
    Messages:
    569
    I don't know, but I can say I didn't abuse for it.


    Edit: Also I had a question. Do the NPCs still move when Latias is confronting you?
  6. radishes

    radishes

    Joined:
    Oct 11, 2012
    Messages:
    23
    Ack, I completely forgot about the C-Gear, silly of me. I'll probably see if a friend will let me use their Mac so I can find my parameters from the start, in that case. The Unova Link method seems tons easier. Thanks a lot for answering my question!
  7. DogfishHead

    DogfishHead

    Joined:
    Feb 29, 2012
    Messages:
    21
    So, I have had NO issues with RNG in Black 1 on my DSi. Both Eggs AND Stationary Legendaries. How come I can't RNG my Heatran in Black 2? I am finding my Standard Seed IV's, and the corresponding PIDRNG frame, but my results are VERY poor. Not once have I hit anything remotely correct. Any advice?
  8. naan

    naan

    Joined:
    Oct 11, 2012
    Messages:
    1
    In BW2 there are TONS of timer0 trolls. Make sure you calibrate your parameters at least 10 times to verify you've got the right range for timer0. I've read that some people can see 10 different timer0 values on the same cart / DS
  9. DogfishHead

    DogfishHead

    Joined:
    Feb 29, 2012
    Messages:
    21
    I have done that. I calibrated my parameters 9 times, and 3 of them were 167E with the other 6 being completely different. So I am using parameters with a timer0 of 167E. Is it because I am using a DSi?
  10. coolbiz

    coolbiz

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2010
    Messages:
    832
    I was doing normal standard wild non cgear abuse.
  11. Aryach

    Aryach

    Joined:
    Oct 11, 2012
    Messages:
    2
    I'm having some trouble with RNG breeding hidden abilities in Black, so I hope someone can help me with this:
    I used the latest version of PPRNG to find a seed/frame that would give me a female Eevee with its hidden ability. I put a Japanese female Eevee with Adaptability and a male English Lillipup in the daycare. Neither of them had a held item. I then hit my frame, collected the egg and hatched it. Now what I don't understand is: the gender, nature, characteristic and IV's were correct, but it didn't have its dw ability even though according to the frame it should. Am I missing something here/doing something wrong? I used seed 2D66F82F0DCFFCFF and frame 134.
  12. Teddiursa Bear

    Teddiursa Bear

    Joined:
    Nov 18, 2010
    Messages:
    100
    It's been too long :\ About 2 years? Heh, well for BW2 if a hidden grotto spawned a pokemon can I treat it like a stationary pokemon for RNG abuse?
  13. DarkestSamus

    DarkestSamus

    Joined:
    Jul 16, 2007
    Messages:
    59
    Yes, no programs currently support DSi/3DS RNGing, if I recall correctly.

    It's strange, the beginning of this thread USED to have a warning stating that, now it is gone... Has it been updated? If so, why is DogfishHead still having trouble?
  14. Xerain

    Xerain

    Joined:
    Oct 11, 2012
    Messages:
    6
    Hi guys, I've been playing around with the RNG manipulation in B&W2, and it's mostly been going well. I understand about the fluctuating timer0, and while I haven't done the full 10 calibrations, I've done a few and am amble to hit my seed fairly often. I've played the game far enough to obtain the C-Gear, and have been able to use pokecheck to verify I am able to hit my intended IV spread. (Oooh yeah, near flawless Sewaddle!)

    The problem I'm having is I'd like to restart the game for a controlled TID. I've been following the using RNG Reporter 9.961and the TID guide for B&W here: http://www.smogon.com/forums/group.php?do=discuss&gmid=109518, and am very close to getting it, but keep running into problems at the very end.

    The problem is my initial frame is always higher than my target frame. I've hit about 5 different seeds so far, and the result is a useless target frame every time.

    Do I need to just keep trying till I get it? When the guide says I need to pick a new seed, does it mean a new seed for generating the TID, or does it mean I have to go back to square 1 and generate an entirely new spread? So far I've mostly been picking a different frame on the same spread, then going to a new spread once I run out of decent frames?

    Also one more thing I'd like to verify, when I'm generating the frames for nature, gender, and encounter slot on my initial seed, the TID and SID input into RNG Reporter should be the TID and SID for my current existing save file that I will be replacing with a new game, correct?
  15. Teddiursa Bear

    Teddiursa Bear

    Joined:
    Nov 18, 2010
    Messages:
    100
    I know 3DS RNG works for BW1 haven't tried BW2 yet. I've RNGed a few pokes on my 3DS already for teams on my Black 2
  16. kiddu

    kiddu

    Joined:
    May 1, 2010
    Messages:
    423
    PPRNG has had the capability since early yesterday. RNG Reporter doesn't yet.
  17. DarkestSamus

    DarkestSamus

    Joined:
    Jul 16, 2007
    Messages:
    59
    Yes, I meant BW2, not the originals.
  18. voodoo pimp

    voodoo pimp Apply directly to the forehead
    is a Forum Moderator Alumnus

    Joined:
    Oct 12, 2010
    Messages:
    2,963
    I mean, what you said didn't really make sense, so what exactly was the process you did?
    Are you sure the Eevee is legitimate? And did you enter the correct ID/SID?
    Yes, but keep in mind that it has its own PIDRNG type and can't be shiny.
    PPRNG supports it.
    Try setting a higher maximum frame. And it means you just need a new seed for that TID/SID.

    Use whatever TID/SID matches the save you are going to use to capture the Pokémon in question.
  19. Teddiursa Bear

    Teddiursa Bear

    Joined:
    Nov 18, 2010
    Messages:
    100
    That's fine I planned on breeding some anyways so I'll just go for my seed and make sure it's female to pass the DW ability on. Thanks :D
  20. chiizu

    chiizu PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP RNG
    is a Programmer Alumnusis a Researcher Alumnus

    Joined:
    Nov 12, 2010
    Messages:
    424
    Both PPRNG (from 1.14.2) and RNG Reporter (from 9.96.1) support DSi / 3DS for English Black 2 / White 2.
  21. kiddu

    kiddu

    Joined:
    May 1, 2010
    Messages:
    423
    You mentioned earlier that it already spawned...you might wanna make sure its female before you even start trying, if you haven't already, 'cause once it's there its gender isn't changing no matter what you RNG.
  22. Teddiursa Bear

    Teddiursa Bear

    Joined:
    Nov 18, 2010
    Messages:
    100
    Oh the gender isn't abuseable? I have both versions so if it's not a female I'll just abuse it on my White 2 before it spawns I guess.
  23. Xerain

    Xerain

    Joined:
    Oct 11, 2012
    Messages:
    6
    Let me give some more details to make sure I am understanding correctly. One I have my seed and frame, I put those into the ID/SID manipulation tool, along with my desired TID.

    In the search parameters I am putting 28 min frame and 75 max frame. For teh Date I am using either 11/x/2012 or 10/x/2012, because I want my trainer card to say I started my journey at some point after the game was actually released.

    Of the results I pick one that stays Starter True because I want to try for a shiny starter (even though they kinda suck). It will report a frame as well as an initial frame, which I ignore because it is always wrong. Then I hit the displayed seed and start a new game. I enter my name and my rival's name, making sure never to hit 'no' to anything because I want to enter the game on the initial frame.

    I then take the TID from my trainer card, and in put it into the Seed finder. If the Seed matches the one I used, I look at the displayed Frame and Initial frame. These are the real target frame and initial frame, respectively. If I push were to 'no' when talking to juniper to hit the target frame, then using that same seed I woudl get my desired TID instead of the one I just ran the test on.

    Also of note is in the seed Finder box, I set the min and max frames wider than what I searched for. This way I'll still get a result telling me if I hit the seed or not even if the real frames are outside of the range I searched for.

    The problem here is the value of "frame" Is always something really low, like in the low 20s or less (19, 22, 26, etc). The Initial frame is always at least 30 or 40, and is usually divisible by 5 or 10. <-- after further testing this line is not true.

    Is this just flat out "bad luck?" Is there anything special about the default date that gives better results?
  24. Slashmolder

    Slashmolder 'Ello Governor
    is a Programmer Alumnusis a Researcher Alumnus

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2011
    Messages:
    280
    No it wasn't but it's still possible. We'll need so more testing. I personally haven't seen any changes on my carts.

    I see 1105 more than anything else so stick with that. If you start seeing more of a different one change it to that.
  25. chiizu

    chiizu PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP RNG
    is a Programmer Alumnusis a Researcher Alumnus

    Joined:
    Nov 12, 2010
    Messages:
    424
    Gender is abuseable. You need to clear out the grotto and abuse the grotto generation process. There's a guide here for PPRNG, and I think there's another guide out there somewhere for RNG Reporter.

Users Viewing Thread (Users: 0, Guests: 1)