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A Guide to EV Training with Hordes

Discussion in 'Orange Islands' started by Stellar, Oct 16, 2013.

  1. Stellar

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    Tips and General Information

    A Few General EV Training Tips:

    • Pokémon gain EVs whenever they gain experience; if you're not starting with a freshly hatched Pokémon, you'll probably need to reset its EVs with a Reset Bag first.
    • Pokérus doubles the EVs gained per Pokémon defeated.
    • Macho Brace doubles the EVs gained per Pokémon defeated.
    • Power items add +4 in a specific stat to the EVs gained per Pokémon defeated.
    • With Exp. Share ON, all Pokémon in the party gain EVs.
    A Few Horde EV Training Tips:
    • Using Sweet Scent or Honey initiates a Horde battle 100% of the time on the routes listed below.
    • Common Sweet Scent Pokémon include Combee (Route 4) and Bulbasaur (Pokémon Lab).
    • Sweet Scent Horde battles will not activate on rainy routes.
    • If it is currently raining on a route you were going to use for EV training, choose another route from the list below.
    • To defeat all five Pokémon in one turn, use a powerful Pokémon with a move that hits all opponents.
    • Common choices include Pokémon with Surf, Parabolic Charge Heliolisk, and Petal Blizzard Venusaur.
    • You gain EVs for each Pokémon defeated in battle. In Horde battles, you gain a total of five times the regular EVs.
    • Power item, Macho Brace, and Pokérus boosts are applied to each Pokémon defeated.
    • With Exp. Share ON, a Pokémon who does not participate in battle can gain additional EVs by equipping the aforementioned EV-boosting items.
    An Explanation of Horde EV Math:
    • The total number of EVs gained from defeating every Pokémon in a Horde Battle can be found at the end of each line below.
    • Pokérus doubles the total EV gain per Horde Battle.
    • Macho Brace doubles the total EV gain per Horde Battle.
    • Power Items add four EVs per Pokémon defeated.
    • All multipliers are cumulative (e.g., Pokérus + Macho Brace = 4*EVs).
    Most Efficient Routes for EV Training
    These routes take into account frequency of encounters, number of EVs gained per Pokémon defeated, and ease of access to the location.
    • HP - Route 5, Connecting Cave, Route 20
    • Attack - Route 19, Route 14
    • Defense - Terminus Cave, Victory Road
    • Special Attack - Frost Cavern
    • Special Defense - Reflection Cave
    • Speed - Route 8, Route 12, Route 15
    A Complete List of Horde Battles Per Route
    Encounters are color coded as follows:
    • Health Points
    • Attack
    • Defense
    • Special Attack
    • Special Defense
    • Speed
    • Mixed
    Route 5 - Versant Road
    [​IMG] [Common] Gulpin (1 HP) = 5 HP
    [​IMG] [Uncommon] Scraggy (1 Atk) = 5 Atk
    [​IMG] [​IMG] [Rare: Y] Minun*4 (4 Spe) + Plusle*1 (1 Spe) = 5 Spe
    [​IMG] [​IMG] [Rare:
    X] Plusle*4 (4 Spe) + Minun*1 (1 Spe) = 5 Spe

    Route 7 - Rivière Walk
    [​IMG] [Common] Hoppip (1 SpD) = 5 SpD
    [​IMG] [Uncommon] Psyduck (1 SpA) = 5 SpA
    [​IMG] [Rare] Roselia (2 SpA) = 10 SpA


    Connecting Cave
    [​IMG] [Common] Whismur (1 HP) = 5 HP
    [​IMG] [Uncommon] Zubat (1 Spe) = 5 Spe
    [​IMG] [Rare] Axew (1 Atk) = 5 Atk

    Route 8 - Muraille Coast [​IMG]
    [​IMG] [Common] Wingull (1 Spe) = 5 Spe
    [​IMG] [​IMG] [Uncommon: Y] Seviper*4 (4 Atk + 4 SpA) + Zangoose*1 (2 Atk) = 6 Atk + 4 SpA
    [​IMG] [​IMG] [Uncommon: X] Zangoose*4 (8 Atk) + Seviper*1 (1 Atk + 1 SpA) = 9 Atk + 1 SpA
    [​IMG] [Rare] Taillow = 5 Spe

    Route 10 - Menhir Trail [​IMG]
    [​IMG] [Common] Nosepass (1 Def) = 5 Def
    [​IMG] [Uncommon] Yanma (1 Spe) = 5 Spe
    [​IMG] [Rare:
    Y] Electrike (1 Spe) = 5 Spe
    [​IMG] [Rare: X] Houndour (1 SpA) = 5 SpA

    Route 11 - Miroir Way
    [​IMG] [​IMG] [Common: Y] Nidoran♀*4 (4 HP) + Nidoran♂*1 (1 Atk) = 4 HP + 1 Atk
    [​IMG] [​IMG] [Common:
    X] Nidoran♂*4 (4 Atk) + Nidoran♀*1 (1 HP) = 4 Atk + 1 HP
    [​IMG] [Uncommon] Stunky = 5 Spe
    [​IMG] [Rare] Starly = 5 Spe


    Reflection Cave
    [​IMG] [Common] Mime Jr. (1 SpD) = 5 SpD
    [​IMG] [Uncommon] Roggenrola (1 Def) = 5 Def
    [​IMG] [​IMG] [Rare] Roggenrola*4 (4 Def) + Carbink*1 (1 Def + 1 SpD) = 5 Def + 1 SpD

    Route 12 - Fourrage Road
    [​IMG] [Common] Wingull = 5 Spe
    [​IMG] [Uncommon] Mareep = 5 SpA
    [​IMG] [​IMG] [Rare] Tauros*4 (4 Atk + 4 Spe) + Miltank*1 (2 Def) = 4 Atk + 4 Spe + 2 Def

    Azure Bay
    [​IMG] [Common] Wingull (1 Spe) = 5 Spe
    [​IMG] [Uncommon] Slowpoke (1 HP) = 5 HP
    [​IMG] [Rare] Exeggcute (1 Def) = 5 Def

    Route 14 - Laverre Nature Trail [​IMG]
    [​IMG] [Common] Bellsprout (1 Atk) = 5 Atk
    [​IMG] [Uncommon] Skorupi (1 Def) = 5 Def
    [​IMG] [Rare] Ekans (1 Atk) = 5 Atk

    Route 15 - Brun Way [​IMG]
    [​IMG] [Common] Murkrow (1 Spe) = 5 Spe
    [​IMG] [Uncommon] Foongus (1 HP) = 5 HP
    [​IMG] [Rare] Klefki (1 Def) = 5 Def

    Route 16 - Mélancolie Path [​IMG]
    [​IMG] [Common] Murkrow (1 Spe) = 5 Spe
    [​IMG] [Uncommon] Foongus (1 HP) = 5 HP
    [​IMG] [Rare] Klefki (1 Def) = 5 Def

    Frost Cavern
    [​IMG] [Common] Vanillite (1 SpA) = 5 SpA
    [​IMG] [Uncommon] Cubchoo (1 Atk) = 5 Atk
    [​IMG] [Rare] Smoochum (1 SpA) = 5 SpA

    Route 18 - Vallée Étroite Way
    [​IMG] [Common] Geodude (1 Def) = 5 Def
    [​IMG] [Uncommon] Durant (2 Def) = 10 Def

    [​IMG] [​IMG] [Rare] Durant*4 (8 Def) + Heatmor*1 (2 SpA) = 8 Def + 2 SpA

    Terminus Cave
    [​IMG] [Common] Durant (2 Def) = 10 Def
    [​IMG] [Uncommon] Geodude (1 Def) = 5 Def
    [​IMG] [Rare:
    X] Aron (1 Def) = 5 Def
    [​IMG] [Rare: Y] Larvitar (1 Atk) = 5 Atk

    Route 19 - Grande Vallée Way [​IMG]
    [​IMG] [Common] Weepinbell (2 Atk) = 10 Atk
    [​IMG] [Uncommon] Gligar (1 Def) = 5 Def
    [​IMG] [Rare] Arbok (2 Atk) = 10 Atk

    Route 20 - Winding Woods
    [​IMG] [Common] Foongus (1 HP) = 5 HP
    [​IMG] [Uncommon] Trevenant (2 Atk) = 10 Atk
    [​IMG] [​IMG] [Rare] Trevenant*4 (8 Atk) / Sudowoodo*1 (2 Def) = 8 Atk + 2 Def

    The Pokémon Village
    [​IMG] [Common] Foongus (1 HP) = 5 HP
    [​IMG] [Uncommon] Poliwag (1 Spe) = 5 Spe
    [​IMG] [Rare] Lombre (2 SpD) = 10 SpD

    Route 21 - Dernière Way
    [​IMG] [Common] Spinda (1 SpA) = 5 SpA
    [​IMG] [Uncommon] Swablu (1 SpD) = 5 SpD
    [​IMG] [Rare] Scyther (1 Atk) = 5 Atk

    Victory Road [Caves 1 & 4]
    [​IMG] [Common] Geodude (1 Def) = 5 Def
    [​IMG] [Uncommon] Floatzel (2 Spe) = 10 Spe
    [​IMG] [Rare] Lickitung (2 HP) = 10 HP

    Victory Road [Caves 2 & 3]
    [​IMG] [Common] Geodude (1 Def) = 5 Def
    [​IMG] [Uncommon] Graveler (2 Def) = 10 Def

    [​IMG] [Rare] Lickitung (2 HP) = 10 HP
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    You rock! I was working on something like this on my own today, but didn't know the frequencies.

    However, I suggest listing all of the stats (HP, etc.) and the optimal place to train at the top of the post.
  4. Kromlech

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    I don't think the average player quite grasps just how amazing this is. Thanks so much.

    Do you mind if we repost these around the interwebs with all credit to you?
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    went over to route 15 to try and get lucky and get a Klefki horde. First encounter's a charm!
    Klefki - 1 Def

    so Kelfki Horde = 5 Def
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  6. Stellar

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    I'm in class but can someone confirm if Carbink is one special defense / one defense or two of each? I know it gives both, just not how many of each. I don't think any Pokemon gives four, so it is probably one of each.
  7. Erionn

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    This is absolutely fantastic. Thanks a lot.

    Edit: Just to confirm in case anyone isn't aware, the traditional means of EV training will not let you go over 252 either. It seems 252 is actually the max now.
    Last edited: Oct 17, 2013
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    Thanks a ton with this run down. Forget Super training, this is indeed the fastest way to EV train.
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  9. sunshinesan

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    Thanks a lot. Traditional EV training still has some tricks up its sleeves.
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  10. lordryu

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    So who exactly needs to hold the power item? The pokemon in the party I'm training right?
  11. TrueSoprano

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    Yes.
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  12. cant say

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    because of the way the exp share works now, could I for example; turn exp share on, give X a power bracer, put it in the back of the party, have Y at the front of the party and kill a horde of Axew, Y get 1 attack EV and X get 5? Or does X still have to fight to get the EV's from the power bracer?

    EDIT: immediately after posting this I realised this doesn't make sense
  13. Scepticallistic

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    Potentially dumb question: Is there any normal patch of grass on Route 19 that can initiate horde battles? I kept trying Sweet Scent and Honey in the flower fields but they failed.

    Edit: I think that initiating horde battles fails when late at night. Not sure.
    Last edited: Oct 19, 2013
  14. kid31

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    Great job on this list ^_^ Which pokemon would you recommend for using sweet scent?
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    Combee or Ivysaur both learn it via level up iirc... Combee is probably easier to get (Route 4 Wild encounter) unless you picked Bulba at sycamores lab or have one through a friend safari :)
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    Can anyone tell me how to trigger horde battles?

    I know it's with Honey and Sweet Scent, but how is it done?
  17. Fennekin

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    You use the Honey or Sweet Scent on the grass. That's about it.
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    I see only 5 EVs for each listing. Where does the 10 come from?

    Apologize in advance, sort of getting back into the game after a while.
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    I need a double confirmation on this

    I think now mareep give 1 Speed EV instead of SpAtk ...Tried earlier today but It dint give SpA at all

    And also farm SpA in Frost cavern at the eeveelution rock area somehow give more smoochum den cubchoo to me.
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    Now I just need Pokemon Bank to come out since all my PokeRus Pokemon are in Black2...
  21. Stellar

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    I got Special Attack EVs every time I fought them.
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    If you fight a horde of Axew, they all give 1 Attack EV, so you get 5 per battle (5x1). If you fight a horde of Weepinbell, who give 2 Attack EVs each, you get 10 (5x2). There aren't any hordes with Pokemon that give 3 EVs on any stat, but if there were, you would get 15...
  23. xShinji

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    I will try again later on today ..i might be place wrong power item instead...
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    Raining on a route seems to make Honey and Sweet Scent fail to initiate a horde battle, unfortunately.
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    wouldn't macho brace be better than a power item? or do the power items give 4 EVs per kill now (for 20 in a horde battle)?

    I have pokerus I can trade to you
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