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A New Beginner [Republicans Win]

Discussion in 'Circus Maximus' started by askaninjask, Jun 6, 2012.

  1. penguin344

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    An uninformed majority against an informed minority...
    Hard to say who would win, right? That is why mafia is still played, it is hard to say who could possibly win, and requires strategy on both sides.

    An informed minority against a smaller informed minority...
    Much easier to determine a winner. The larger minority will always win. The pure size will overwhelm the smaller party.

    Now, what will happen if you team up with jimera?
    Village is eliminated.
    Wolf is eliminated.
    3v2, Aliens vs Media.
    Now, who would win?
    If you think the media will win, you are terribly, terribly wrong.
  2. MrcRanger97

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    the differance is that Jimera will immediately know who you are, we will not.
    Just food for thought.
  3. askaninjask

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    Sorry for the late update!

    It appeared as though all was well in Congresstown, but you notice a lack of baby-headed men around. You realize that this lack of baby-headed men could only be due to the death of Nexus. He had been shot from above. He was:

    Also found was another body! This body had been zapped by lasers until it was fried. Crying over his body were his 90 writers. You realized with glee that this meant the death of trollmonchan. He was:

    After this eventful night, the Republicans gathered again to determine WHO would be lynched today. Who will it be!??!

    It is now Day 3. Day 3 ends 2 and a half hours before 48 hours after this post or when majority is reached (I want to get back on our normal schedule).

    If you guys feel that it would be better to have 24 hours days from here on out, to make the game go a bit faster, let me know and we'll have 24 hour days starting on Day 4.

    Results are going out now.
  4. Jimera0

    Jimera0 You don't understand, Edgar is the one in the hole!

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    Yeah, remember that bit where I said where I wanted to know who you guys were to avoid crossfire?

    This is why. Your choice just lost you the game LME. And we weren't even trying to get you.

    Well, whatcha going to do eh? It's basically waterfall flinch chance... anyway I'll be joining you soon trollmonchan... no way I'm surviving this day now. But seriously...

    What were the chances of us hitting one of the only two remaining LME? >.> And the silencer too? At least we didn't target Nexus and waste our kill I suppose...
  5. Draycos7

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    Lynch Jimera0
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  7. Jimera0

    Jimera0 You don't understand, Edgar is the one in the hole!

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    Actually, I just realized that I have one last trump card... one piece of information I turned up way back on N1.

    MrcRanger97 is probably the wolf.

    How do I know this? No I didn't inspect him, but I DID inspect Steamroll. And on Day 1, I told Ranger about Steamroll's role as a backup, when I was trying to ingratiate myself to him. He was the only person I told outside of my own team.

    And then Steamroll is killed by the wolf the very next night. I was somewhat stunned when I made the connection; my team had specifically avoided killing Steamroll SPECIFICALLY to avoid suspicion falling on ME. But he dies the very next night. And the ONLY other party I had given the key information to was Ranger.

    Now what are the chances of the Wolf hitting the one role that could screw him over the most* on Night 1? Well there were 17 players still on night one, giving him a 1 in 16 chance of hitting him.

    One in 16, pretty long odds. And yet, Ranger here had put himself in a position of power with a role PM no one could disprove... He asked for inspections, counting on the fact that he asked to clear him on his own, or perhaps he has a mole ability (which causes a fake role PM to go out to inspectors instead of a real one), which isn't uncommon for a Lone Wolf to have.

    And it gets worse, because on N2, just now, Nexus got killed by the wolf. Nexus was a role stopper, which can stop kills, making him very dangerous to the Wolf, as it could expose him. Nexus also role stopped me the same night, showing coordination. Ranger, having played games in the past, probably knew that the role stop would still go through and that he could eliminate his other big threat the same night. So now I ask you, what are the chances of the Wolf hitting two targets in a ROW that are of great threat to him? Slim to none.

    So villagers, I ask you... Who is more dangerous to you? My inspector role puts none of you at immediate risk; it can't kill you or stop your actions. Killing me won't put an end to the kills for my team either, since as long as my team lives we can still kill.

    The wolf on the other hand, has more information than I could ever dream of and a kill every night. And all you need to do to stop the kills is just kill one person; him.

    So I say, Lynch MrcRanger97! No one wants the wolf alive, the village least of all.

    Now why should you believe me? Well for one, I haven't lied at all except for when it was vital. I wasn't lying at all with the proposed alliance; I honestly thought that it was beneficial for all the scum. I haven't lied at all, except to say that my role was Jan Brewer the role inspector, and that was only because I had to. I told the truth about all my inspections. I believe that lying when you don't have to is a bad idea, since it just gives you more ways to get caught. I haven't lied to you yet and I'm not lying to you now. I truly believe that Ranger97 is the wolf, and that he is playing every last person in this game.

    Now, you have the chance to stop him.

    *Backup screws him up the most because it means vital roles would take two nights to eliminate instead of one, and killing off a vital role would immediately expose him. A bodyguard wouldn't screw him over since he has the Bodyguard by the leash anyway as leader, and an Inspector doesn't bother him as he has a mole ability.
  8. AOPSUser

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    Lynch Jimera0

    I believe Ranger97.
  9. Jimera0

    Jimera0 You don't understand, Edgar is the one in the hole!

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    Of course YOU do, he told me a long time ago that you're "Loyal but not that bright". Want logs? I got logs. LOTS of logs.

    N0 PM with Ranger97 (open)
    17:59:55: <Jimera0> Ok I'm going to have to be perfectly honest I don't know to trust you or not
    18:00:06: <Ranger97> its ok
    18:00:30: <Jimera0> you are a Rogue according to that, which is common for faking
    18:01:38: <Jimera0> hang on let me take a closer look... I really don't want to jump the gun here
    18:05:25: <Jimera0> well the pm looks solid comparing it to my own
    18:06:27: <Ranger97> ok
    18:06:34: <Jimera0> got anything further to say to convince me?
    18:06:51: <Jimera0> It could still be a well done fake...
    18:07:02: <Ranger97> Other that i lack imagination XD
    18:07:16: <Ranger97> and i know who BG is
    18:07:25: <Ranger97> well, suspect
    18:07:27: <Jimera0> you do? how?
    18:07:39: <Jimera0> it's not like your role is an information gathering one
    18:08:19: <Ranger97> he told me
    18:08:22: <Ranger97> :D
    18:09:00: <Ranger97> like i said earlier, hes kindof an idiot, but a loyal one
    18:09:03: <Jimera0> ah claimed to you
    18:09:06: <Ranger97> hint
    18:09:08: <Ranger97> hint
    18:09:12: <Jimera0> lol
    18:09:24: <Jimera0> aops then?
    18:09:43: <Ranger97> yeah
    18:09:49: <Ranger97> he wants it secret though
    18:09:53: <Ranger97> so dont tell
    18:09:56: <Ranger97> unless your scum
    18:09:56: <Jimera0> lmao sure
    18:09:58: <Ranger97> then fuck you
    18:10:01: <Ranger97> :D
    18:10:01: <Jimera0> XD
    18:10:48: <Jimera0> Well I guess I can send you... I suppose I wouldn't be the highest priority target anyway
    18:11:00: <Jimera0> still not really a role I want the mafia to know about though
    18:11:13: <Ranger97> well, im not mafia, though i cant proe it yet
    18:11:25: <Ranger97> there is a fundamental trust thing for mafia
    18:11:30: <Jimera0> yeah
    18:12:09: <Ranger97> its called gut feeling



    Oh, and here's more! This is where I mentioned Steamroll, Day 1!
    Day 1 PM with Ranger97 (open)
    02:55:39: <Jimera0> thought you should know that people apparently aren't very eager to claim to you
    02:55:54: <Ranger97> I can tell :/
    02:55:59: <Jimera0> bit of discussion in #congress about it
    02:56:10: <Ranger97> by tan's post
    02:56:20: <Jimera0> well Rouge is a commonly falsified role
    02:56:37: <Jimera0> honestly I'm somewhat regretting claiming so quickly myself, since I really have no solid proof
    02:56:42: <Ranger97> arent you inspect?
    02:56:50: <Jimera0> role action inspect
    02:57:01: <Jimera0> I tried it out night zero, just tells me the type of role they have
    02:57:11: <Jimera0> like bodyguard or investigator, that sort of thing
    02:57:18: <Ranger97> ah
    02:57:41: <Jimera0> you know what a "backup" is?
    02:57:54: <Ranger97> no,
    02:58:22: <Jimera0> well that's what steamroll is apparently
    02:58:29: <Jimera0> guess I should ask tas since he's in here
    02:58:49: <Ranger97> so, if u inspected me, would it say rogue?
    02:59:05: <Jimera0> if you are what you say you are it should
    02:59:19: <Jimera0> course if you were a mole it wouldn't tell me Mole. I don't think so anyway
    02:59:25: <Ranger97> kk, use it then
    02:59:38: <Jimera0> lol we'll have to wait a bit but I can try
    02:59:48: <Jimera0> obviously can't do it during the day :P
    03:00:47: <Jimera0> 02:58:47: <Jimera0> hey what's a backup? 02:58:50: <Jimera0> as a role? 02:59:12: <the_angry_scientist> a backup is a role that at first doesn't do anything 02:59:21: <the_angry_scientist> but should another role on its team die, the backup can take on that role 03:00:01: <Jimera0> alright that explains a lot 03:00:04: <Jimera0> damn that's pretty powerful
    03:00:57: <Jimera0> well damn
    03:01:06: <Jimera0> steamroll has pretty big shit then
    03:01:26: <Ranger97> well, depends on the backup
    03:01:51: <Jimera0> well sounds like it basically gives whatever team he's on two of their most powerful role
    03:02:00: <Jimera0> when one goes down he just steps in to replace them
    03:02:03: <Jimera0> hope he's village
    03:02:20: <Jimera0> give us a safety blanket should our BG or full inspector get wasted


    So, judge for yourselves. I think it's pretty clear :P

    EDIT:

    And from later in they day after Tan public claimed...

    PM with Ranger97 later the same day (open)
    22:02:39: <Jimera0> get my pm?
    22:02:51: <Ranger97> yeah
    22:03:01: <Jimera0> so what do you think?
    22:03:27: <Ranger97> could be real, could be fake :/
    22:03:52: <Ranger97> you should try to inspect his role
    22:04:10: <Ranger97> though he is starting a spreadsheet...
    22:04:18: <Jimera0> yeah he gave me access
    22:04:26: <Jimera0> it's pretty pathetic tbh lol
    22:04:35: <Jimera0> he forgot to put Blackhawk11 on it too XD
    22:04:54: <Jimera0> so you want me to inspect his role tonight?
    22:05:23: <Ranger97> yeah, but if hes a mole it wont say that :/
    22:05:26: <Jimera0> should give us a 100% answer because there's no mafia without roles in most games
    22:05:36: <Jimera0> yeah true but we can't really assume evryone is a mole
    22:05:45: <Jimera0> there won't be more than one and what's the chance it's him?
    22:05:58: <Jimera0> well I guess there could be more than one
    22:06:08: <Jimera0> but this being a begginer match I find that unlikely
    22:06:12: <Ranger97> he seems sincere, but could be an idiot
    22:06:24: <Jimera0> yeah lol he's clearly not the brightest person
    22:06:36: <Jimera0> AOPS claimed to him too if you didn't know
    22:06:50: <Jimera0> I've also noticed you're not sharing info with him :P I don't blame you I wouldn't either
    22:07:11: <Ranger97> Well, aopuser is a moron :/
    22:07:17: <Jimera0> XD
    22:07:40: <Jimera0> I haven't told him anything he didn't already know
    22:07:55: <Jimera0> though I did clarify a couple role names for him >.> he didn't know your role is called rogue
    22:08:03: <Ranger97> but, i think tan might be sincere
    22:08:04: <Jimera0> and he had labled me as a full inspector
    22:08:11: <Jimera0> yeah just dumb as a brick XD
    22:08:16: <Ranger97> lol
    22:08:19: <Jimera0> we'll know soon enough
    22:08:42: <Jimera0> role inspection will reveal his allegiance this time thankfully
    22:08:57: <Jimera0> if he faked he made a mistake picking a vanillager :P
    22:09:09: <Ranger97> good


    Seems like Ranger doesn't have a very high opinion of you AOPS.
  10. penguin344

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    Remaining Media, read this carefully. After saying he would allow the wolf to live, he tries to start a lynch on the "proposed wolf". How could you possibly trust him if he doesn't keep his own promises? You are now a less powerful wolf, and joining with Jimera will be the end of you.

    As for Ranger, could he be the wolf? Of course. However, we do not know this for a fact. What, in truth, do we know? We know that Jimera is desperate not to die. We know that his last ditch effort to save himself last night failed. He is trying to save his own hide once again, and is you allow him to do so, you are playing right into his hands. Even if he is the wolf, we should not kill him now, and instead focus our efforts on killing Jimera, or even better if possible, the last member of the Media, who will be killing tonight.
  11. Jimera0

    Jimera0 You don't understand, Edgar is the one in the hole!

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    I would let the wolf live if my uniting plan had worked >.> obviously that didn't pan out so I have to change my plan. I have no intention of allying with the wolf now since it's clear the wolf has no intention of allying with me. That plan fell through yesterday, get with the picture.

    Basically, they didn't keep their end of the bargain so I'm not keeping mine. had the wolf and mafia ended up working with me, I would have had no reason to point him out. No one worked with me, so unfortunately I am forced to put the others forth as offerings for my own life. If they had worked with me, it would not have come to this.

    As for not knowing for sure if Ranger is the wolf... yeah we don't know for sure. But you have a lot more to lose if Ranger IS the wolf than you do if I don't get lynched. You can always lynch me day 3; at this point there's little hope of me getting the numbers to protect myself yet again. Ranger on the other hand, holds all the cards. He has the BG as his personal lapdog, he has several of your claims, and he can kill. Every. Single. Night. And the wolf has already shown uncanny accuracy...

    As for losing Ranger, well, if he's a good leader he'll already have a second in command ready. It's not like he has a role that can actually help you in and of itself. You don't need his vote anymore. You lose little by lynching him if he's village, and gain so much if he's wolf.

    Ranger, as the wolf, has fashioned a very strong plan. Lead the village, kill mafia by day, kill village by night. Doing so he slowly eliminates all the threats against him, until it's just him and a few defenseless villagers, desperately trying to find the wolf among them while their very leader is the culprit. It's a damn good plan, and with it it's hardly any surprise he didn't consider allying with me yesterday. He already has the power, he has nothing to gain by following my orders.

    You leave Ranger in power and you will lose the last of your members that can stop him over the next couple days. You leave me alive, and I get one extra inspection, assuming you don't block me again somehow. The risks are clear, and I think the evidence is clear too. Make your choice. Your team's fate depends on you choosing right.
  12. MrcRanger97

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    The right choice is not letting proven scum like yourself dictate what the village does, or listen to anything you have to say otherwise, idc if you think im wolf, as I know im not, and thats all I need to lead the Republican's to the best of my abilities. I have done a good job thus far, and I intend to lead the republicans to victory. Nothing you say or do will change that.
  13. Jimera0

    Jimera0 You don't understand, Edgar is the one in the hole!

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    Scum is such a bad word, it implies that we'll cheat and lie to win. In truth, we're just another team, and the circumstances we're put in force us to lie to survive.

    So yes, I'm proven be on the other team. But that doesn't make my points any less valid. There is a LOT of circumstantial evidence that points to you being the wolf. I'm not the only one that thinks so either. You've gotten this far leading the village based on sheer conviction and force of will; you haven't ever proven yourself to be village, and haven't even provided a method to do so with. Really, only the fact this is a beginner game has let you lead at all, since no experienced player would ever trust you given your flimsy claim.

    Well I'm here to lift the wool from these fellows eyes. Even if they decide that they should take me out first, it's still to my benefit if the wolf is eliminated eventually, and it's to the village's benefit as well. While we might be opposing teams, we're united in that we ALL oppose the wolf.

    And I am sure that the wolf is you.
  14. penguin344

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    guys remember not to hit majority
  15. MrcRanger97

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    I have been persuaded (for those of you who don't know, that means they have a role that makes a user vote to lynch a user, or else they die. This is what mostly likely killed Darkaxis d1.) By the Illegal Aliens to Lynch Myself :/
    Lynch MRCranger97
    Stupid Scum.
    EDIT: as it seems no one trusts me enough, and im not vital, I might as well die proving im not the wolf
    Lynch Jimera0
    Good Luck Republicans.
    EDITEDIT: FINE!
    Substantial pestering from the people who actually DO trust me has gotten me to try and keep me alive :/ fuck you.
    Lynch MRCranger97
    seriously guys?
  16. Jimera0

    Jimera0 You don't understand, Edgar is the one in the hole!

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    Careful, don't switch your vote around from ranger just yet if you didn't believe him before. There's nothing stopping him from changing his vote BACK just before deadline to avoid the God-kill.

    If you were going to vote Ranger before, do it now. If he really does follow through with his suicide, then I'll be lynched anyway, so there's no danger at all.
  17. MrcRanger97

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    eh, no.
    Ima be killed in ADDITION to jimera, and if im wolf, you kill 2 birds with 1 stone now dontcha?
  18. penguin344

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    There is no reason for anyone else to vote. Keep it where it is now, else that would give us less time to figure things out, plan for tomorrow, etc. etc.

    so don't vote, please. If you vote now, you will be put under heavy suspicion.

    also please don't update 10 minutes early aska.
  19. Jimera0

    Jimera0 You don't understand, Edgar is the one in the hole!

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    Yup, bluffing. What did I tell you? A calculated move to try and make you trust him more. Just like he claims to be open to inspection to get you all to let your guard down.

    Ranger is not new at this... he knows his stuff.
  20. MrcRanger97

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    wasnt bluffing, I was fully prepared to kill myself. And in a way, still are (as im lynching myself lol) but the people convinced me that every vote counts. Believe im wolf if you want. It won't change the fact that i am not. And again, this is coming from Jimera, who is trying very desperately to save his skin. And for those of you who think im wolf, fine. Believe what the LIAR is feeding you. He lied to everyone, so why is now any different? All his so called "evidence" is purely circumstantial, as I was not the only one who knew Steamroll was a backup. He has brought up the point that I knew who nexus was. How? he never claimed, he never talked on irc. If you beleive Jimera, I targeted him. But, Jimera also said I could be a mole. Widely Known Fact: Wolves aren't moles. They'd be too OP if they were. idgaf what you believe, as long as the Republicans win I will be fine.
  21. askaninjask

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    ...

    After an eventful day, you all decide to lynch Jimera0. As you could tell from his hairy body and spaceship, he was none other than:

    "YES!" shouts MrcRanger97. "We did it! We killed Jimera0!"

    Despite his outwardly happy appearance, MrcRanger97 was experiencing severe inner turmoil, and before you all went to sleep, he killed himself. He jumped off of a bridge holding a plushie of a Fearow, hoping that he might fly away. Instead he died. He was:

    Poor Herman Cain.

    It is now Night 3. Night 3 ends an hour and a half before 48 hours as of this post.

    In the future, don't change your votes after deadline. It won't do anything, and it makes it more difficult for me to figure out what actually happened during the day.
  22. Jimera0

    Jimera0 You don't understand, Edgar is the one in the hole!

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    WAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!

    I'll honestly say I did suspect Ranger of being the wolf, right up until around 3 hours ago or so when his demeanor managed to change my mind.

    Thankfully for me, he made a fatal mistake.

    Everyone knows your truthfulness now Ranger, and I guess I was wrong. But I've never been so glad to be wrong in my life!

    Go my allies, and let's finish this! Down with the Republicans! Long live the Illegal Aliens!
  23. YAYtears

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    Dont dead talk
  24. Draycos7

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    Requesting SG, I'm the new town leader.
    We together shall avenge the death of Ranger! All remaining townies, contact me! We outnumber the mafians by far! Together, we can win this game!
  25. Draycos7

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    The following users have yet to send me their role PMs as proof of their innocence;

    Honus
    The Royal Guard
    ButteredToast
    YAYtears
    idiotfrommars
    penguin334

    Hurry up and get them in by tonight if you're truly a townie! I'd hate to lynch any of my fellow Republicans.

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