Abomasnow (Analysis)

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[Overview]

<p>Abomasnow is a Pokemon that, without its ability, would certainly be overlooked by tons of many players. However, it is the one of only two Pokemon with Snow Warning as its an ability, making it a staple on hail teams. Also, since hail is the least common weather, it does get some uses use on balanced teams as an answer to more dangerous weather conditions.</p>

<p>When you look past its ability, what is found is a Grass / Ice Pokemon with seven weaknesses and only four resistances. It does have decent Attack and Special Attack which, when coupled with its base 60 Speed, it instantly brings bring Choice Scarf to mind. It has very powerful STAB attacks like such as Blizzard and Wood Hammer that can make up for the its only decent offenses. When you look at its defenses, they are below average, but when coupled with key resistances to Water-, Grass- and Electric-types, a specially bulky set isn't impossible to accomplish. When not holding a Choice Scarf, Abomasnow's low Speed means it will be outsped by other weather inducers, and hail will be overriden overridden. It has acess access to more support options such as Leech Seed, which is are helpful when creating a defensive set.</p>


[SET]

name: Choice Scarf
move 1: Blizzard
move 2: Grass Knot / Wood Hammer
move 3: Hidden Power Fire
move 4: Earthquake
item: Choice Scarf
ability: Snow Warning
ability: Snow Warning
nature: Hasty
ev's: 16 Atk / 252 SpA / 240 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>When holding a Choice Scarf, Abomasnow reaches 354 Speed, outspeeding max Speed Thundurus and Tornadus by one point each. Its STAB Blizzard has perfect accuracy under hail and deals massive damage to anything that doesn't resist it. Grass Knot is the preferred Grass-type attack because it offers great greater power against heavy foes and has high durability. Hidden Power Fire has two main targets: Scizor and Ferrothorn, though it hits Steel-types that resist Abomasnow's STAB moves as well. For the remaining Pokemon like Heatran and Magnezone, the snowman has Earthquake as its final move. However, these pokemon hold Balloon, so they have to suffer some prior damage from moves in order to pop it.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>Wood Hammer is an option as it hits much harder than Grass Knot most of the time against lighter opponents. The main reason it isn't recommended is because Abomasnow doesn't have recovery, and its health will go down too fast without recovery. If you use Wood Hammer over Grass Knot, switch the EVs to 140 Atk / 128 SpA / 240 Spe, as this provides Abomasnow with enough power to OHKO Swords Dance Scizor (the most common in this metagame along the Choice Band set) if Stealth Rock is on the field, and the Attack EVs give Wood Hammer more power. If you prefer a physical Grass STAB but dislike the recoil of Wood Hammer, Seed Bomb can be used instead. However, 60 Base Power is a great difference and may not be worth the lack of recoil.</p>

<p>With a Choice Scarf, Abomasnow can revenge kill many dangerous threats that rely on weather to outspeed the snowman; Excadrill, Venusaur, and Shiftry are just a few examples. Magnezone can trap and kill the Steel-types, and even though Abomasnow has two moves to deal with them, Magnezone can remove them so it Abomasnow can spam Blizzard and Wood Hammer more easily.</p>

[SET]

name: SubSeed
move 1: Leech Seed
move 2: Substitute
move 3: Blizzard / Ice Shard
move 4: Protect / Wood Hammer / Focus Punch
item: Leftovers
ability: Snow Warning
nature: Calm / Sassy
ev's: 252 HP / 172 Def / 84 SpD

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>This is a completely different approach to the snowman, taking advantage of its decent defenses and good typing. As the name suggests, Substitute and Leech Seed are the most important moves. Blizzard is a great move to have on Abomasnow as it is powerful and acts as reliable (if you're under hail) STAB under hail. When Protect is used alongside Substitute and Leech Seed, it can be very annoying because it allows Abomasnow to recover the health it loses from creating Substitutes.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>Wood Hammer may seem like an odd suggestion, but it gives Abomasnow a strong STAB move for when it isn't behind a Substitute. Focus Punch can be used if Abomasnow's job is to get rid of Tyranitar, and the common Steel-types that like to switch in. When running Focus Punch, a Careful nature should be used as it retains Abomasnow's power without losing its bulk. 188 HP EVs give Abomasnow a Leftovers and a Leech Seed number, giving Abomasnow a optimum recovery number. Taking into account the speedy nature of the metagame, Ice Shard has some uses on the last slot, giving Abomasnow some priority to abuse. A Sassy nature can also be used with an EV spread of 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD, this so as to allows allow Abomasnow to outslow the other weather inducers, while maximizing its special bulk.</p>

<p>As the goal of this set is to stall, entry hazards are a must as Leech Seed tends to cause switches. Toxic Spikes make the opponent's Pokemon suffer increasing damage each turn, and with Substitute and Protect, it will do wonders draining your opponent's health. Forretress, Ferrothorn, Roserade, and Tentacruel are the best partners for this reason.</p>

[Team Options]

<p>Abomasnow loves entry hazards as a revenge killer or a SubSeeder, but hates having them on its side of the field. Pokemon that set them up and can spin them away are great partners,. On the defensive side, Forretress can set up every entry hazard and spin them away at the same time, just but watch out for the nasty 4x Fire-type weakness it shares with Abomasnow though. Cloyster can also set up Spikes or Toxic Spikes, while removing entry hazards with Rapid Spin. Offensively speaking, Starmie can spin away entry hazards, has great synergy with Abomasnow, and has access to reliable recovery. Tentacruel can also set up Toxic Spikes while spinning away entry hazards at the same time.</p>

<p>Steel-types are Abomasnow's biggest enemys enemy, and therefore Magnezone is one of the best partners because of Magnet Pull, allowing it to remove the aforementioned Steel-types from the game. Skarmory and Blissey are also great partners, providing entry hazards and Wish support respectively,that which can be helpful if spinning is no longer an option.</p>

[Optional Changes]

<p>Abomasnow has plenty of STAB moves to choose from,. Seed Bomb can be included over Wood Hammer if you don't mind the considerable power drop. Ice Punch is its strongest physical Ice STAB, but it doesn't have the power to be considered over Blizzard. Giga Drain is a possibility for the SubSeed set to restore more health, so it can be used over Protect (Blizzard can't be replaced or Grass-types wall this set completely).</p>

<p>Outside of the sets in this analysis, Abomasnow doesn't pull off anything else as effectively. It can run a physical attacker moveset with Swords Dance, Wood Hammer, Ice Punch, and Earthquake, but it doesn't have the Speed or power to pull this off, (therefore being easily revenge killed).</p>

[Counters]

<p>Blissey and Chansey can switch into the Scarf set since it doesn't have much Attack investement to hurt them, and Flamethrower is now a relatively common move they both use to hurt Ferrothorn and destroy Abomasnow with. Heatran often holds a Balloon and can therefore switch in on any attack and threaten to OHKO Abomasnow with Fire-type attacks. Steel-types like Metagross and Jirachi are usually good switch-ins because they resist Abomasnow's STABs and usually survive Earthquake and Hidden Power Fire.</p>

<p>The SubSeed set is even easier for Steel-types to switch into, since the only thing Abomasnow can do is hit them with un-STABed Focus Punch, which is pretty weak. Ninetales can come in, changing the weather in the process and threaten it with Fire STAB. Forretress also threatens Abomasnow with STAB Gyro Ball while spinning Leech Seed if needed. Phazers in general don't worry about this set, as they can come in on Substitute or Leech Seed and Roar or Whirlwind it away.</p>

[Dream World]

<p>Abomasnow gets Soundproof as its Dream World ability, though Snow Warning is the main reason to use Abomasnow, so it shouldn't be considered as an option.</p>
 

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i can check this possibly tomorrow, at latest wednesday. if you didn't add them in yet, i'll be going off NatGeo's edits.
edit: definitely not monday... too much work.

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[Overview]

<p>Abomasnow is a Pokemon that, without its ability, would certainly be overlooked by tons of many players. However, it is the one of only two Pokemon with Snow Warning as its an ability, making it a staple on hail teams. Also, since hail is the least common weather, it does get some uses use on balanced teams as an answer to more dangerous weather conditions.</p>

<p>When you look past its ability, what is found is a Grass / Ice Pokemon with seven weaknesses and only four resistances. It does have decent Attack and Special Attack which, when coupled with its base 60 Speed, it instantly brings bring Choice Scarf to mind. It has very powerful STAB attacks like such as Blizzard and Wood Hammer that can make up for the its only decent offenses. When you look at its defenses, they are below average, but when coupled with key resistances to Water-, Grass- and Electric-types, a specially bulky set isn't impossible to accomplish. When not holding a Choice Scarf, Abomasnow's low Speed means it will be outsped by other weather inducers, and hail will be overriden overridden. It has acess access to more support options such as Leech Seed, which is are helpful when creating a defensive set.</p>


[SET]

name: Choice Scarf
move 1: Blizzard
move 2: Grass Knot / Wood Hammer
move 3: Hidden Power Fire
move 4: Earthquake
item: Choice Scarf
ability: Snow Warning
ability: Snow Warning
nature: Hasty
ev's: 16 Atk / 252 SpA / 240 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>When holding a Choice Scarf, Abomasnow reaches 354 Speed, outspeeding max Speed Thundurus and Tornadus by one point each. Its STAB Blizzard has perfect accuracy under hail and deals massive damage to anything that doesn't resist it. Grass Knot is the preferred Grass-type attack because it offers great greater power against heavy foes and has high durability. Hidden Power Fire has two main targets: Scizor and Ferrothorn, though it hits Steel-types that resist Abomasnow's STAB moves as well. For the remaining Pokemon like Heatran and Magnezone, the snowman has Earthquake as its final move. However, these pokemon hold Balloon, so they have to suffer some prior damage from moves in order to pop it.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>Wood Hammer is an option as it hits much harder than Grass Knot most of the time against lighter opponents. The main reason it isn't recommended is because Abomasnow doesn't have recovery, and its health will go down too fast without recovery. If you use Wood Hammer over Grass Knot, switch the EVs to 140 Atk / 128 SpA / 240 Spe, as this provides Abomasnow with enough power to OHKO Swords Dance Scizor (the most common in this metagame along the Choice Band set) if Stealth Rock is on the field, and the Attack EVs give Wood Hammer more power. If you prefer a physical Grass STAB but dislike the recoil of Wood Hammer, Seed Bomb can be used instead. However, 60 Base Power is a great difference and may not be worth the lack of recoil.</p>

<p>With a Choice Scarf, Abomasnow can revenge kill many dangerous threats that rely on weather to outspeed the snowman; Excadrill, Venusaur, and Shiftry are just a few examples. Magnezone can trap and kill the Steel-types, and even though Abomasnow has two moves to deal with them, Magnezone can remove them so it Abomasnow can spam Blizzard and Wood Hammer more easily.</p>

[SET]

name: SubSeed
move 1: Leech Seed
move 2: Substitute
move 3: Blizzard / Ice Shard
move 4: Protect / Wood Hammer / Focus Punch
item: Leftovers
ability: Snow Warning
nature: Calm / Sassy
ev's: 252 HP / 172 Def / 84 SpD

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>This is a completely different approach to the snowman, taking advantage of its decent defenses and good typing. As the name suggests, Substitute and Leech Seed are the most important moves. Blizzard is a great move to have on Abomasnow as it is powerful and acts as reliable (if you're under hail) STAB under hail. When Protect is used alongside Substitute and Leech Seed, it can be very annoying because it allows Abomasnow to recover the health it loses from creating Substitutes.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>Wood Hammer may seem like an odd suggestion, but it gives Abomasnow a strong STAB move for when it isn't behind a Substitute. Focus Punch can be used if Abomasnow's job is to get rid of Tyranitar, and the common Steel-types that like to switch in. When running Focus Punch, a Careful nature should be used as it retains Abomasnow's power without losing its bulk. 188 HP EVs give Abomasnow a Leftovers and a Leech Seed number, giving Abomasnow a optimum recovery number. Taking into account the speedy nature of the metagame, Ice Shard has some uses on the last slot, giving Abomasnow some priority to abuse. A Sassy nature can also be used with an EV spread of 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD, this so as to allows allow Abomasnow to outslow the other weather inducers, while maximizing its special bulk.</p>

<p>As the goal of this set is to stall, entry hazards are a must as Leech Seed tends to cause switches. Toxic Spikes make the opponent's Pokemon suffer increasing damage each turn, and with Substitute and Protect, it will do wonders draining your opponent's health. Forretress, Ferrothorn, Roserade, and Tentacruel are the best partners for this reason.</p>

[Team Options]

<p>Abomasnow loves entry hazards as a revenge killer or a SubSeeder, but hates having them on its side of the field. Pokemon that set them up and can spin them away are great partners,. On the defensive side, Forretress can set up every entry hazard and spin them away at the same time, just but watch out for the nasty 4x Fire-type weakness it shares with Abomasnow though. Cloyster can also set up Spikes or Toxic Spikes, while removing entry hazards with Rapid Spin. Offensively speaking, Starmie can spin away entry hazards, has great synergy with Abomasnow, and has access to reliable recovery. Tentacruel can also set up Toxic Spikes while spinning away entry hazards at the same time.</p>

<p>Steel-types are Abomasnow's biggest enemys enemy, and therefore Magnezone is one of the best partners because of Magnet Pull, allowing it to remove the aforementioned Steel-types from the game. Skarmory and Blissey are also great partners, providing entry hazards and Wish support respectively,that which can be helpful if spinning is no longer an option.</p>

[Optional Changes]

<p>Abomasnow has plenty of STAB moves to choose from,. Seed Bomb can be included over Wood Hammer if you don't mind the considerable power drop. Ice Punch is its strongest physical Ice STAB, but it doesn't have the power to be considered over Blizzard. Giga Drain is a possibility for the SubSeed set to restore more health, so it can be used over Protect (Blizzard can't be replaced or Grass-types wall this set completely).</p>

<p>Outside of the sets in this analysis, Abomasnow doesn't pull off anything else as effectively. It can run a physical attacker moveset with Swords Dance, Wood Hammer, Ice Punch, and Earthquake, but it doesn't have the Speed or power to pull this off, (therefore being easily revenge killed).</p>

[Counters]

<p>Blissey and Chansey can switch into the Scarf set since it doesn't have much Attack investement to hurt them, and Flamethrower is now a relatively common move they both use to hurt Ferrothorn and destroy Abomasnow with. Heatran often holds a Balloon and can therefore switch in on any attack and threaten to OHKO Abomasnow with Fire-type attacks. Steel-types like Metagross and Jirachi are usually good switch-ins because they resist Abomasnow's STABs and usually survive Earthquake and Hidden Power Fire.</p>

<p>The SubSeed set is even easier for Steel-types to switch into, since the only thing Abomasnow can do is hit them with un-STABed Focus Punch, which is pretty weak. Ninetales can come in, changing the weather in the process and threaten it with Fire STAB. Forretress also threatens Abomasnow with STAB Gyro Ball while spinning Leech Seed if needed. Phazers in general don't worry about this set, as they can come in on Substitute or Leech Seed and Roar or Whirlwind it away.</p>

[Dream World]

<p>Abomasnow gets Soundproof as its Dream World ability, though Snow Warning is the main reason to use Abomasnow, so it shouldn't be considered as an option.</p>
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Just an idea, but have you ever thought of a specs set? Specs Blizzard from that semi-decent special attack stat is beastly and it can really surprise quite a few things. Something like this could work well:

Abomasnow @ Choice Specs
Modest Nature
4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
- Blizzard
- Grass Knot
- Hidden Power Fire
- Focus Blast / Ice Shard (for Dragons)

This thing does a shitload of damage and it really surprises a lot of random crap.
Nice analysis, keep it up!


P.S. Sorry about the deleted post above, pressed the button by accident...
 
Just an idea, but have you ever thought of a specs set? Specs Blizzard from that semi-decent special attack stat is beastly and it can really surprise quite a few things. Something like this could work well:

Abomasnow @ Choice Specs
Modest Nature
4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
- Blizzard
- Grass Knot
- Hidden Power Fire
- Focus Blast / Ice Shard (for Dragons)

This thing does a shitload of damage and it really surprises a lot of random crap.
Nice analysis, keep it up!


P.S. Sorry about the deleted post above, pressed the button by accident...
Its weaknesses and abysmal Speed don't allow Specs to be effective because it also doesn't have the defenses to take a hit before the attack.
 
In the Dream World section I think Shed Shell should be mentioned as an option to avoid losing your weather Pokemon to an opposing Shandera.

EDIT: Unless it can't be mentioned because Shandera has not yet been released in the Dream World in which I say IGNORE ME AND CARRY ON, MY GOOD MAN (MEN).
 
name: Choice Scarf
move 1: Blizzard
move 2: Grass Knot / Wood Hammer
move 3: Hidden Power Fire
move 4: Earthquake
item: Choice Scarf
ability: Snow Warning
ability: Snow Warning

nature: Hasty
ev's: 16 Atk / 252 SpA / 240 Spe
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[Overview]

<p>Abomasnow is a Pokemon that, Without its ability, Abomasnow would certainly be overlooked by many players. However, it is the only Pokemon with Snow Warning as its ability, making it a staple on hail teams. Also, since hail is the least common weather, it does get some use on balanced teams as an answer to more dangerous weather conditions.</p>

<p>When you look past its ability, what is found is a Grass / Ice Pokemon with seven weaknesses and only four resistances. It does have decent Attack and Special Attack which, when coupled with its base 60 Speed, instantly bring Choice Scarf to mind. It has very powerful STAB attacks such as Blizzard and Wood Hammer that can make up for its only decent offenses. When you look at its defenses, they are below (seems more average to me; 90 HP and 85 SpD make up for this... and also, you contradict yourself at the subseed set =P) only average, but when coupled with key resistances to Water-, Grass- and Electric-type attacks, a specially bulky set isn't impossible to accomplish can be valuable. When not holding a Choice Scarf, Abomasnow's low Speed means it will be outsped by other weather inducers, and hail will be overridden. (isn't the opposite true? low speed = you get the weather off first) Its access to useful support options such as Leech Seed is also helps mold defensive sets together. It has access to support options such as Leech Seed, which are helpful when creating a defensive set. All in all, while Abomasnow may seem controversial, its niche as the only auto-hail inducer makes it a fierce competitor on the battlegrounds.</p>

[SET]
(backspace this)
name: Choice Scarf
move 1: Blizzard
move 2: Grass Knot / Wood Hammer
move 3: Hidden Power Fire
move 4: Earthquake
item: Choice Scarf
ability: Snow Warning
nature: Hasty
evs: 16 Atk / 252 SpA / 240 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>With a Choice Scarf, Abomasnow reaches 354 Speed, allowing it to surprise slower foes such as max Speed Thundurus and Tornadus and revenge kill efficiently. When holding a Choice Scarf, Abomasnow reaches 354 Speed, outspeeding max Speed Thundurus and Tornadus by one point. Its STAB Blizzard has perfect accuracy under hail and deals massive damage to anything Pokemon that doesn't resist it. Grass Knot is the preferred Grass-type attack because it offers greater great power against heavy foes and has high durability (can you explain this? if not, i would remove). Hidden Power Fire has two main targets: covers Steel-types such as Scizor and Ferrothorn, though it hits Steel-types that resist Abomasnow's STAB moves as well. For the remaining Pokemon like Heatran and Magnezone, the snowman has Earthquake as its final move to destroy them. However, these Pokemon commonly hold Balloon, so they will have to suffer some prior damage in order to pop it.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>(explain the ev spread here, what does 16 atk do, why 240 spe, max spa does what? also, why hasty?) Wood Hammer is an option as it hits much harder than Grass Knot against lighter opponents. The main reason it isn't recommended is because Abomasnow's doesn't have recovery, and its health will go down too fast without recovery. If you use Wood Hammer over Grass Knot, switch the EVs to 140 Atk / 128 SpA / 240 Spe, as this provides Abomasnow with enough power to OHKO Swords Dance Scizor (the most common Scizor variant in this metagame alongside the Choice Band set) if Stealth Rock is on the field, and the Attack EVs give Wood Hammer more power. If you prefer a physical Grass STAB but dislike the recoil of Wood Hammer, Seed Bomb can be used instead. However, 60 Base Power is a great difference and may not be worth the lack of recoil.</p>

<p>With a Choice Scarf, Abomasnow can revenge kill many dangerous threats that rely on weather to outspeed the snowman; Excadrill, Venusaur, and Shiftry are just a few examples. Although Abomasnow has Earthquake and Hidden Power Fire, it is still a good idea to remove Steel-types via other methods so that Abomasnow can spam Blizzard and Grass Knot more easily. As such, Magnezone is an ideal partner since it can trap and kill Steel-types without much trouble, and even though Abomasnow has two moves to deal with them, Magnezone can remove them so Abomasnow can spam Blizzard and Wood Hammer more easily.</p>

[SET]
(backspace this)
name: SubSeed
move 1: Substitute
move 2: Leech Seed
move 3: Blizzard / Ice Shard
move 4: Protect / Wood Hammer / Focus Punch
item: Leftovers
ability: Snow Warning
nature: Calm / Sassy
evs: 252 HP / 172 Def / 84 SpD

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>This is a set takes a completely different approach to the snowman, by taking advantage of its decent defenses and typing. As the name suggests, Substitute and Leech Seed are the most important moves. (explain what substitute and leech seed do) Blizzard is a great move to have on Abomasnow as it is powerful and acts as a reliable STAB under hail. When Protect is used alongside Substitute and Leech Seed, it can be very annoying because it allows Abomasnow to recover the health it loses from creating Substitutes.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>(again, explain the evs and natures) Wood Hammer may seem like an odd suggestion, but it gives Abomasnow a strong STAB move for when it isn't behind a Substitute. Focus Punch can be used if Abomasnow's job is to get rid of Tyranitar, (remove comma) and the common Steel-types that like to switch in. When running Focus Punch, a Careful nature should be used as it retains Abomasnow's power without losing its bulk. 188 HP EVs give Abomasnow a Leftovers and a Leech Seed number, giving Abomasnow optimum recovery. (uh you probably wanted "252" but put that part at the beginning of this paragraph) Taking into account the speedy nature of the metagame, Ice Shard has some uses on the last slot, giving Abomasnow some priority to abuse. A Sassy nature can also be used with an EV spread of 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD to allow other weather inducers to outspeed Abomasnow in order to preserve hail to outslow other weather inducers, while maximizing its special bulk.</p>

<p>As the goal of this set is to stall, entry hazards are a must as Leech Seed tends to cause switches. Toxic Spikes make the opponent's Pokemon suffer increasing damage each turn, and with Substitute and Protect, it will do wonders draining your opponent's health. Forretress, Roserade, and Tentacruel are the best partners for this reason. (why? what makes them the best?)</p>

[Team Options]

<p>Abomasnow loves entry hazards as a revenge killer or a SubSeeder, but hates having them on its side of the field. Pokemon that set them up and can spin them away are great partners. On the defensive side, Forretress can set up every entry hazard and spin them away at the same time, but watch out for the nasty 4x Fire-type weakness it shares with Abomasnow though. Cloyster can also set up Spikes or Toxic Spikes, while removing entry hazards with Rapid Spin. Offensively speaking, Starmie can spin away entry hazards, has great synergy with Abomasnow, and has access to reliable recovery. Tentacruel can also set up Toxic Spikes while spinning away entry hazards at the same time.</p>

<p>Steel-types are Abomasnow's biggest enemy, and therefore Magnezone is one of the best partners because of Magnet Pull, allowing it to remove the aforementioned Steel-types from the game. Skarmory and Blissey are also great partners, providing entry hazards and Wish support respectively, which can be helpful if spinning is no longer an option.</p>

[Optional Changes]

<p>Abomasnow has plenty of STAB moves to choose from. Seed Bomb can be included over Wood Hammer if you don't mind the considerable power drop. (if it's mentioned in additional comments, it doesn't need a mention in optional changes) Ice Punch is its strongest physical Ice STAB, but it doesn't have the power to be considered over is inferior to Blizzard. Giga Drain is a possibility for the SubSeed set to restore more health, so it can be used over Protect (Blizzard can't be replaced or Grass-types wall this the set completely).</p>

<p>Outside of the sets in this analysis, Abomasnow doesn't pull off anything else as effectively. It can run a physical attacker moveset with Swords Dance, Wood Hammer, Ice Punch, and Earthquake, but it doesn't have the Speed or power to pull this off, therefore being easily revenge killed.</p>

[Counters]

<p>Blissey and Chansey is one of the best existing counters as it can safely switch into the Scarf set since it doesn't have much Attack investment to hurt them, and use Flamethrower is now a relatively common move they both use (chansey uses flamethrower? i really would think flamethrower would have a mention in its analysis then) to hurt Ferrothorn and destroy Abomasnow with. Heatran often holds a Balloon and can therefore switch in on any attack and threaten to OHKO Abomasnow with Fire-type attacks. Steel-types like Metagross and Jirachi are usually good switch-ins because they resist Abomasnow's STABs and can usually survive Earthquake and Hidden Power Fire.</p>

<p>The SubSeed set is even easier for Steel-types to switch into, since the only thing Abomasnow can do is hit them with unSTABed a weak Focus Punch, which is pretty weak. Ninetales can come in, changing the weather in the process, (comma) and threaten it with Fire STAB Fire attacks. Forretress also threatens Abomasnow with STAB Gyro Ball while spinning away Leech Seed if needed. Phazers in general don't need to worry about this set, as they can come in on Substitute or Leech Seed and Roar or Whirlwind it away.</p>

(also letting you know that you're supposed to talk about general abomasnow counters, not talk about specific sets. if you can rearrange the counters section so that it's more into a "general" feeling, that would be awesome.)

[Dream World]

<p>Abomasnow gets Soundproof as its Dream World ability, though Snow Warning is the main reason to use Abomasnow, so it shouldn't be considered as an option.</p>


I can stamp this after my comments get implemented. Nice job with the analysis though!
 
Ugh, I was so sure I had written a new Counters' section after bmb's advice that I didn't even double-checked. Ok, it's now a more general section as it is supposed to be and I also explained what the natures and EV spreads were supposed to provide.

Can I ask you to re-check the Counters and Additional Comments' sections? I'd feel better knowing they were well written.
 

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[Overview]

<p>Without its ability, Abomasnow would certainly be overlooked by many players. However, it is the only Pokemon with Snow Warning, making it a staple on hail teams. Also, since hail is the least common weather, it does get some use on balanced teams as an answer to more dangerous weather conditions.</p>

<p>When you look past its ability, what is found is a Grass / Ice Pokemon with seven weaknesses and only four resistances. It does have decent Attack and Special Attack which, when coupled with its base 60 Speed, instantly bring Choice Scarf to mind. It has very powerful STAB attacks such as Blizzard and Wood Hammer that can make up for its only decent offenses. When you look at its defenses, they are only average, but when coupled with key resistances to Water-, Grass- and Electric-type attacks, a specially bulky set can be valuable. Its access to useful support options such as Leech Seed also helps mold defensive sets together. All in all, while Abomasnow may seem controversial, its niche as the only fully evolved auto-hail inducer makes it a fierce competitor on the battlegrounds.</p>

[SET]
name: Choice Scarf
move 1: Blizzard
move 2: Grass Knot / Wood Hammer
move 3: Hidden Power Fire
move 4: Earthquake
item: Choice Scarf
ability: Snow Warning
nature: Hasty
evs: 16 Atk / 252 SpA / 240 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>With a Choice Scarf, Abomasnow reaches 354 Speed, allowing it to surprise slower foes such as max Speed Thundurus and Tornadus and revenge kill efficiently. Its STAB Blizzard has perfect accuracy under hail and deals massive damage to any Pokemon that doesn't resist it. Grass Knot is the preferred Grass-type attack because it offers great power against heavy foes and doesn't have recoil, allowing Abomasnow to switch in more times. Hidden Power Fire covers Steel-types such as Scizor and Ferrothorn that resist Abomasnow's STAB moves. For the remaining Pokemon like Heatran and Magnezone, the snowman has Earthquake to destroy them. However, these Pokemon commonly hold Balloon, so they will have to suffer some prior damage in order to pop it.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>A Hasty nature and 240 Speed EVs allow Abomasnow to outspeed Thundurus and Tornadus by one point without hurting its offenses; max Special Attack to maximizes Blizzard's, Grass Knot's, and Hidden Power Fire's damage output; and the remaining EVs go into Attack to give Earthquake and Wood Hammer a small boost. Wood Hammer is an option as it hits much harder than Grass Knot against lighter opponents. The main reason it isn't recommended is because Abomasnow's health will go down too fast without recovery. If you use Wood Hammer over Grass Knot, switch the EVs to 140 Atk / 128 SpA / 240 Spe, as this provides Abomasnow with enough power to OHKO Swords Dance Scizor (the most common Scizor variant in this metagame alongside the Choice Band set) if Stealth Rock is on the field, and the Attack EVs give Wood Hammer more power. If you prefer a physical Grass STAB but dislike the recoil of Wood Hammer, Seed Bomb can be used instead. However, 60 Base Power is a great difference and may not be worth the lack of recoil.</p>

<p>With a Choice Scarf, Abomasnow can revenge kill many dangerous threats that rely on weather to outspeed the snowman; Excadrill, Venusaur, and Shiftry are just a few examples. Although Abomasnow has Earthquake and Hidden Power Fire, it is still a good idea to remove Steel-types via other methods so that Abomasnow can spam Blizzard and Grass Knot more easily. As such, Magnezone is an ideal partner since it can trap and kill Steel-types without much trouble.</p>

[SET]
name: SubSeed
move 1: Substitute
move 2: Leech Seed
move 3: Blizzard / Ice Shard
move 4: Protect / Wood Hammer / Focus Punch
item: Leftovers
ability: Snow Warning
nature: Calm / Sassy
evs: 252 HP / 172 Def / 84 SpD

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>This set takes a completely different approach to the snowman by taking advantage of its decent defenses and typing. As the name suggests, Substitute and Leech Seed are the most important moves. Substitute provides Abomasnow with an immunity to status, while Leech Seed slowly reduces the opponent's health while restoring the snowman's own health. Blizzard is a great move to have on Abomasnow as it is powerful and acts as a reliable STAB under hail. When Protect is used alongside Substitute and Leech Seed, it can be very annoying because it allows Abomasnow to recover the health it loses from creating Substitutes.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>A Calm nature and the given EV spread provide Abomasnow with good overall bulk to maximize the snowman's potential against the Grass-, Water-, and Electric-types that it is supposed to stall. Wood Hammer may seem like an odd suggestion, but it gives Abomasnow a strong STAB move for when it isn't behind a Substitute. Focus Punch can be used if Abomasnow's job is to get rid of Tyranitar and the common Steel-types that like to switch in. When running Focus Punch, a Careful nature should be used as it retains Abomasnow's power without losing its bulk. Taking into account the speedy nature of the metagame, Ice Shard has some uses on the last slot, giving Abomasnow some priority to abuse. A Sassy nature can also be used with an EV spread of 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD to allow other weather inducers to outspeed Abomasnow in order to preserve hail while maximizing its special bulk.</p>

<p>As the goal of this set is to stall, entry hazards are a must as Leech Seed tends to cause switches. Toxic Spikes make the opponent's Pokemon suffer increasing damage each turn, and with Substitute and Protect, it will do wonders draining your opponent's health. Forretress, Roserade, and Tentacruel are the best partners to set them up since they have great bulk and, in the latter's case, great synergy with the snowman.</p>

[Team Options]

<p>Abomasnow loves entry hazards as a revenge killer or a SubSeeder, but hates having them on its side of the field. Pokemon that set them up and can spin them away are great partners. On the defensive side, Forretress can set up every entry hazard and spin them away at the same time, but watch out for the nasty 4x Fire-type weakness it shares with Abomasnow. Cloyster can also set up Spikes or Toxic Spikes, while removing entry hazards with Rapid Spin. Offensively speaking, Starmie can spin away entry hazards, has great synergy with Abomasnow, and has access to reliable recovery. Tentacruel can also set up Toxic Spikes while spinning away entry hazards at the same time.</p>

<p>Steel-types are Abomasnow's biggest enemy, and therefore Magnezone is one of the best partners because of Magnet Pull, allowing it to remove the aforementioned Steel-types from the game. Skarmory and Blissey are also great partners, providing entry hazards and Wish support respectively, which can be helpful if spinning is no longer an option.</p>

[Optional Changes]

<p>Abomasnow has plenty of STAB moves to choose from. Ice Punch is its strongest physical Ice STAB, but it is inferior to Blizzard. Giga Drain is a possibility for the SubSeed set to restore more health, so it can be used over Protect (Blizzard can't be replaced or Grass-types wall the set completely).</p>

<p>Outside of the sets in this analysis, Abomasnow doesn't pull off anything else as effectively. It can run a physical attacker moveset with Swords Dance, Wood Hammer, Ice Punch, and Earthquake, but it doesn't have the Speed or power to pull this off.</p>

[Counters]

<p>Abomasnow's main counters are Pokemon whose typing allow them to resist its STAB moves; Steel- and Fire-type Pokemon are therefore the best counters. They can come in even on even Abomasnow's coverage moves (supposed to hit them super effectively) and threaten the snowman out with their STAB moves. (period) Bronzong, Jirachi, Metagross, (comma) and Volcarona are great examples of such Pokemon some of the snowman's counters.</p>

<p>If one takes into account the fact that Abomasnow's offenses are only average, bulky walls that aren't hit super effectively by its STABs can come in and set up on it. Blissey is one of the examples; it can come in and, with access to Wish and Flamethrower, threaten the snowman or attempt to outstall it, if needed. Chansey can also come in on Abomasnow, (comma) but its sub-par Special Attack means that, (remove comma) if the snowman can sets up a Substitute and avoids Toxic, it can only attempt to outstall Abomasnow.</p>

[Dream World]

<p>Abomasnow gets Soundproof as its Dream World ability, though Snow Warning is the main reason to use Abomasnow, so it shouldn't be considered as an option.</p>


Okay, that's it basically. Thanks for writing the analysis!
 

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