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Abomasnow (QC 3/3) (GP 2/2)

Discussion in 'Uploaded Analyses' started by ScraftyIsTheBest, Jan 18, 2013.

  1. Kitten Milk

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    I think you're really making a mistake by only listing Protect in the "other set options". The set that I've used after trying hundreds of other Abomasnow sets utilizes protect, and when you think about it practically it's pretty easy to see why.

    On any good hail team, you're going to have a wall that can take physical fire and fighting attacks for days. It's basically a perfect combination with a poke like Abomasnow. With Protect, you can scout things like Victini to see if they're going to Bolt Strike predicting Qwil (i'll be using Qwilfish for this hypothetical, but I've seen def. Arcanine and stuff too), U-turn for momentum, or just straight up V-Create. At the same time, you're racking up Leech Seed and Hail Damage.

    For the sake of making sense, I'm going to post the set that I used

    [SET]
    name: Offensive Seeder
    move 1: Leech Seed
    move 2: Blizzard
    move 3: Giga Drain
    move 4: Protect
    item: Leftovers
    ability: Snow Warning
    nature: Modest
    evs: 252 SpA/248 SpD/8 Spe

    Looks weird on paper, but actually very effective. With no HP investment but full Special Defense investment, Abomasnow retains it's ability to be an effective check to Kingdra, Raikou, and other pokes while maximizing the HP gain from Leech Seed and Giga Drain. It also can almost always survive Sludge Bomb from Roserade and Draco Meteor from Kingdra, something that it can't do as well with full HP Investment. With a set like this, you can do things like Protect against a Victini T1 and see that they're u-turning, but then thwart their attempt to gain momentum by Leech Seeding, Giga Draining, or Blizzarding depending on what you predict them to go into. By the end of the turn, you can be back as high as 75+% of your health, and you can Protect again for even more HP gain. Higher up on the ladder, Protect becomes useful for mindgames as well - I've had plenty of situations while laddering where I'll protect on a V-Create and then not switch out purely because Qwilfish is so obvious I suspect that they'll hard switch.

    Unlike other abomasnow sets that I've tested, this one lasts the longest throughout the entire match, which is important - especially when rain and sun are becoming more common. Abomasnow has this stigma of being used for hail and then just being dead weight/fodder, but with a set like this he can completely screw over your opponent's momentum while staying at a high health.

    Sorry to put my 2 cents in so late in the process, but I only just saw you were writing this.
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    Sorry, placeholdering this. I'll finish it later today. Ran out of time.

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    [Overview]

    <p>Abomasnow is unique in the fact that it is the only automatic weather setter in UU. With its ability, [comma] Snow Warning, Abomasnow can summon hail for such teams that can utilize it to flourish in. That's not all Abomasnow has going for it either; it has solid base 92 offensive stats and great offensive options to utilize them with. Abomasnow also has decent defenses to boot, and when combined with key resistances to Water-, Electric-, and Ground-types, Abomasnow can serve as a decent defensive Pokemon that can check threats such as Raikou and Kingdra. However, the fun ends there. Abomasnow has seven crippling weaknesses, especially to Stealth Rock, which greatly hinder its survivability make it difficult to last long. A low Speed stat isn't doing it any favors either; many things can outspeed and beat Abomasnow before it can react. Its offensive stats, while solid, are not exactly stellar, so it may not hit hard enough at times. Despite these flaws, Abomasnow makes for a great asset to any hail-centralized team in the UU tier.</p>

    [SET]
    name: SubSeed
    move 1: Substitute
    move 2: Leech Seed
    move 3: Blizzard
    move 4: Wood Hammer / Giga Drain
    item: Leftovers
    ability: Snow Warning
    nature: Sassy / Calm
    evs: 248 HP / 252 SpD / 8 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Abomasnow's best set is a SubSeed set. With decent bulk and good resistances, Abomasnow can set up Leech Seed on threats such as Raikou, Krookodile, and Slowbro. Abomasnow can wear down the opponent with its automatic hail and Leech Seed combined, which makes it a solid staller that also summons hail for the team to function. Unlike other SubSeed users, Abomasnow also has Ice STAB to handle Grass-types that typically stop the this strategy cold [haha I get it!]. Substitute is the first move of the this set, as it allows Abomasnow to avoid status while setting up Leech Seed for free and thus recover off any HP lost and attaining its recovery. Leech Seed is important to this set's success as well, as Abomasnow aims to wear down the opponent with its hail and Leech Seed while also providing itself with a decent form of recovery. Blizzard is Abomasnow's best STAB move, as it cannot miss under hail, [comma] while also dishing out a solid amount of damage. Wood Hammer is chosen as Grass-type STAB to maim many things that don't mind Blizzard, as well as Snorlax and SubCM Raikou. However, Giga Drain is an alternative that's useful as a recovery move that also sports a decent base power.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The EV spread is specially defensive to allow Abomasnow to check Electric- and Water-types such as Raikou and Suicune and overall take more advantage of Abomasnow's typing. Depending on what move Abomasnow runs for Grass STAB, either a Calm or Sassy Nature is needed to maximize Special Defense. Leftovers is there as an extra source of recovery, [comma] as Abomasnow lacks any outside of Leech Seed. Protect is a useful option over Wood Hammer or Giga Drain to add rack up the hail and Leech Seed damage while also damaging Mienshao.</p>

    <p>Mienshao is a good teammate to handle opposing Steel-types while not minding hail. Since Abomasnow hates entry hazards of all kinds, Blastoise and Claydol are both useful to remove them entry hazards while sporting useful defensive typing synergy with it. Xatu is also a usable choice to bounce back entry hazards while spreading paralysis, allowing Abomasnow to stall more easily. Slowbro, Escavalier, and Nidoqueen all have excellent defensive synergy with Abomasnow and can work well in the hail, while the latter can abuse hail itself with Blizzard. Since Abomasnow summons hail, an Ice-type is ideal to take advantage of it; Rotom-F and Walrein are common hail abusers that should be used in conjunction with Abomasnow.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Mixed Attacker
    move 1: Blizzard
    move 2: Wood Hammer / Giga Drain
    move 3: Earthquake / Focus Punch
    move 4: Ice Shard
    item: Expert Belt
    ability: Snow Warning
    nature: Lonely
    evs: 252 Atk / 108 SpA / 148 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Abomasnow has good mixed attacking stats and a solid offensive movepool, which allow it to serve as a great mixed attacker. It has excellent coverage in with its two STABs [no apostrophe] alone, while it can break common defensive Pokemon such as Slowbro and Gligar thanks to its mixed attacking prowess. Blizzard serves as preliminary primary Ice STAB, packing a great amount of power while attaining boasting perfect accuracy in the hail Abomasnow summons. Wood Hammer is an excellent secondary STAB, hitting the Pokemon that resist Blizzard hard while also helping giving utility against Snorlax. Giga Drain, however, is useful for recovery while still being decently powerful. Earthquake is a useful coverage move, nailing threats such as Darmanitan and Bisharp, which resist Abomasnow's STABs, for super effective damage. Focus Punch, however, is useful to catch incoming Snorlax if Giga Drain is chosen, while still being useful providing use against Bisharp. Finally, Ice Shard is chosen to pick off weakened opponents and to also revenge kill Flygon.

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The Speed EVs aim to outspeed minimum Speed Blastoise, an important benchmark to hit. Attack is maximized with the this EV spread and a Lonely nature is used to deal significant damage to Snorlax, while the remaining EVs are dumped into Special Attack. To be able to effectively revenge kill Flygon, Abomasnow should not invest any lower than 140 EVs in Attack EVs. An Expert Belt is chosen to make good use of Abomasnow's excellent coverage while not wearing it down Abomasnow like a Life Orb would do. Since Abomasnow is summoning summons hail in the match, Rotom-F and Walrein are good partners to take advantage of it the hail Abomasnow summons. Blastoise, Claydol, or and Cryogonal are useful to provide Rapid Spin support for Abomasnow since it dislikes all kinds of entry hazards. Slowbro, Escavalier, and Nidoqueen are useful thanks to their synergy with Abomasnow, while also being able to make making good use of the hail themselves. Weather Ball Raikou can also make use of the hail Abomasnow summons. Mienshao can take care of Steel-types for Abomasnow while not minding the hail thanks to Regenerator. Finally, Xatu is a usable option to bounce back hazards and spread paralysis.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Abomasnow has a number of other options at its disposal that it can make use of. It has Focus Punch, of which it can run a SubPunch set with, although this is rather situational due to Abomasnow's mediocre defensive typing. It can run a Choice Scarf to revenge kill Pokemon such as Nidoqueen and Honchkrow, but it is far too slow to make effective use of it; for example, even with the boost, it barely misses out on outpacing base 115 Speed Pokemon such as Raikou and Azelf. Abomasnow has a couple of other physical moves such as Avalanche, Double-Edge, and Rock Slide. It can also run Swords Dance, but again, it is too slow to make use of the move. Abomasnow also can run Hidden Power and Shadow Ball for as half decent coverage moves. Finally, it has some useful support moves such as Toxic and Light Screen that could be put to some decent use.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Fire-types, such as Chandelure, Darmanitan, and Victini, are by far Abomasnow's worst nightmare, as they resist both of its STAB moves and hit it super effectively. They must, however, be wary of an incoming Earthquake. Steel-types such as Escavalier and Bisharp are also notable, hitting Abomasnow hard with their STAB moves while again resisting both of its STABs. Flying-types such as Crobat, Togekiss, and Yanmega can check it thanks to their STAB hitting it super effectively; [changed , to ;] however, a Blizzard or Ice Shard can deal some real damage to them on the switch. Fighting-types such as Mienshao and Heracross can hit it before it reacts. Snorlax can come in on most of what Abomasnow has to offer aside from Wood Hammer or Focus Punch and retaliate with Fire Punch, Body Slam, or Return. Constant pressure from entry hazards will also quickly shorten Abomasnow's life thanks to its weakness to Stealth Rock. In short, taking advantage of Abomasnow's numerous weaknesses is the best way to remove it. However, the way to remove Abomasnow's hail is to change the weather, by the use of Pokemon such as Prankster Tornadus and to a lesser extent, Volbeat.</p>

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  4. ScraftyIsTheBest

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    [Overview]

    <p>Abomasnow is unique in the fact that it is the only automatic weather setter in UU. With its ability, Snow Warning, Abomasnow can summon hail for teams that can utilize it to flourish in. That's not all Abomasnow has going for it either (The 'either' is sort of redundant in the sentence because you are already introducing more that Abo offers.); it has solid base 92 offensive stats and great offensive options to utilize them with. Abomasnow also has decent defenses to boot, and when combined with key resistances to Water-, Electric-, and Ground-types, Abomasnow can serve as a decent defensive Pokemon that can check threats such as Raikou and Kingdra. However, the fun ends there. Abomasnow has seven crippling weaknesses, especially to not including its weakness to (I changed that because when you say 'especially to', doesn't that imply that SR is part of those seven weaknesses, which it isn't? Abo has 7 weaknesses + SR; my wording may be a bit lenghty, so feel free to tweak it to your liking, but make sure not to mix in SR weakness with the seven Abo already has.) Stealth Rock, which greatly hinder its survivability. A low Speed stat isn't doing it any favors either; many things can outspeed and beat Abomasnow before it can react. Its offensive stats, while solid, are not exactly stellar, so it may not hit hard enough at times. Despite these flaws, Abomasnow makes for a great asset to any hail team in the UU tier.</p>

    [SET]
    name: SubSeed
    move 1: Substitute
    move 2: Leech Seed
    move 3: Blizzard
    move 4: Wood Hammer / Giga Drain
    item: Leftovers
    ability: Snow Warning
    nature: Sassy / Calm
    evs: 248 HP / 252 SpD / 8 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Abomasnow's best set is a SubSeed set. With decent bulk and good resistances, Abomasnow can set up Leech Seed on threats such as Raikou, Krookodile, and Slowbro. Abomasnow can wear down the opponent with its automatic hail combined with and Leech Seed combined, which makes making it a solid staller. (Feels like the last bit of the sentence flows better when read aloud; 'which makes' kinda sounds weird with the rest of the sentence.) Unlike other SubSeed users, Abomasnow also has Ice STAB to handle Grass-types that typically stop this strategy cold. Substitute is the first move of this set, as it allows Abomasnow to avoid status while setting up Leech Seed for free and thus recover any HP lost. Leech Seed is important to this set's success as well, as Abomasnow aims to wear down the opponent with hail and Leech Seed while also providing itself with a decent form of recovery. Blizzard is Abomasnow's best STAB move, as it cannot miss under hail, while also dishing out a solid amount of damage. Wood Hammer is chosen as its Grass-type STAB to maim many things that don't mind Blizzard, as well as Snorlax and SubCM Raikou. However, Giga Drain is an alternative that's useful as a recovery move that and also sports a decent bBase pPower.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The EV spread is specially defensive to allow Abomasnow to check Electric- and Water-types such as Raikou and Suicune and overall take more advantage of Abomasnow's typing. Depending on what move Abomasnow runs for a Grass STAB, either a Calm or Sassy Nature is needed to maximize Special Defense. Leftovers is there as an extra source of recovery, (AC) as Abomasnow lacks any outside of Leech Seed. Protect is a useful option over Wood Hammer or Giga Drain to rack up the hail and Leech Seed damage while also damaging Mienshao.</p>

    <p>Mienshao is a good teammate to handle opposing Steel-types while not minding hail. Since Because Abomasnow hates entry hazards of all kinds, Blastoise and Claydol are both useful to remove them while sporting useful defensive type synergy. Xatu is also a usable choice to bounce back entry hazards while spreading paralysis, allowing Abomasnow to stall more easily. Slowbro, Escavalier, and Nidoqueen all have excellent defensive synergy with Abomasnow and can work well in hail, while the latter can abuse take advantage of hail itself with Blizzard. Since Abomasnow summons hail, an Ice-type is ideal to take advantage of it; Rotom-F and Walrein are common hail abusers users (Try to avoid using 'abuse'; the Smogon Grammar 101 thread said that we don't abuse anything in the sets.) that should be used in conjunction with Abomasnow.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Mixed Attacker
    move 1: Blizzard
    move 2: Wood Hammer / Giga Drain
    move 3: Earthquake / Focus Punch
    move 4: Ice Shard
    item: Expert Belt
    ability: Snow Warning
    nature: Lonely
    evs: 252 Atk / 108 SpA / 148 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Abomasnow has good mixed attacking stats and a solid offensive movepool, which allow it to serve as a great mixed attacker. It has excellent coverage with its two STABs alone, while and it can break common defensive Pokemon such as Slowbro and Gligar thanks to its mixed attacking prowess. Blizzard serves as primary Ice STAB, packing a great amount of power while boasting perfect accuracy in hail. Wood Hammer is an excellent secondary STAB, hitting the Pokemon that resist Blizzard hard while also helping against Snorlax. Giga Drain, however, is useful for recovery while still being decently powerful. Earthquake is a useful coverage move, nailing threats such as Darmanitan and Bisharp, which resist Abomasnow's STABs, for super effective damage. Focus Punch, however, is useful to catch incoming Snorlax if Giga Drain is chosen, while still being useful against Bisharp. Finally, Ice Shard is chosen to pick off weakened opponents and to revenge kill Flygon.

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The Speed EVs aim to outspeed minimum Speed Blastoise, an important benchmark to hit. Attack is maximized with this EV spread and a Lonely nature is used to deal significant damage to Snorlax, while the remaining EVs are dumped into Special Attack. To be able to effectively revenge kill Flygon, Abomasnow should not invest any lower than 140 EVs in Attack. An Expert Belt is chosen to make good use of Abomasnow's excellent coverage while not wearing it down like a Life Orb would do. Since Because (try to avoid using 'since' unless 'as' or 'because' simply cannot fit into the sentence.) Abomasnow summons hail, Rotom-F and Walrein are good partners to take advantage of it. Blastoise, Claydol, and Cryogonal are useful to provide Rapid Spin support for Abomasnow, (AC) since as it dislikes all kinds of entry hazards. Slowbro, Escavalier, and Nidoqueen are useful thanks to their synergy with Abomasnow, while also being able to make good use of the hail themselves. Weather Ball Raikou can also make use of the hail. Mienshao can take care of Steel-types for Abomasnow while not minding being bothered by the hail thanks to Regenerator. Finally, Xatu is a usable option to bounce back entry hazards and spread paralysis.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Abomasnow has a number of other options at its disposal. It has Focus Punch, which it can run a SubPunch set with, although but this is rather situational due to Abomasnow's mediocre defensive typing. It can run a Choice Scarf to revenge kill Pokemon such as Nidoqueen and Honchkrow, but it is far too slow to make effective use of it; for example, even with the boost, it barely misses out on outpacing base 115 Speed Pokemon such as Raikou and Azelf. Abomasnow has a couple of other physical moves such as Avalanche, Double-Edge, and Rock Slide. It can also run Swords Dance, but again, it is too slow to make use of the move. Abomasnow also can run Hidden Power and Shadow Ball as half semi-decent coverage moves. Finally, it has some useful support moves such as Toxic and Light Screen.(Maybe explain why they are useful or the disadvantages of using it? I mean, yeah, it has useful support moves, but that's just listing some moves; why should the reader really care about them?)</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Fire-types, such as Chandelure, Darmanitan, and Victini, are by far Abomasnow's worst nightmare, as they resist both of its STAB moves and hit it super effectively. They must, however, be wary of an incoming Earthquake. Steel-types such as Escavalier and Bisharp are also notable, hitting Abomasnow hard with their STAB moves while again resisting both of its STABs. Flying-types such as Crobat, Togekiss, and Yanmega can check it Abomasnow thanks to their STAB hitting it super effectively; however, a Blizzard or Ice Shard can deal serious damage to them on the switch. Fighting-types such as Mienshao and Heracross can hit it Abomasnow before it reacts. Snorlax can come in on most of what Abomasnow has to offer aside from Wood Hammer or Focus Punch and retaliate with Fire Punch, Body Slam, or Return. Constant pressure from entry hazards will also quickly shorten Abomasnow's life thanks to its weakness to Stealth Rock. In short, taking advantage of Abomasnow's numerous weaknesses is the best way to remove it. However, the way to remove Abomasnow's hail is to change the weather, (RC) by the use of Pokemon such as Prankster Tornadus and, (AC) to a lesser extent, Volbeat.</p>
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    hail abusers should be hail sweepers (I know Walrein isn't sweeping in the normal sense but yeah)

    there's a missing </p> tag at the end of the Set Comments of the second set

    "since" doesn't have to be changed, though Because sounds better in the first instance in the AC of the second set


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