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Absol (QC Approved 0/2)

Discussion in 'Locked / Outdated Analyses' started by MixedCalibur, Nov 30, 2010.

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  1. MixedCalibur

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    [Overview]

    <p>In all honesty, the 5th generation was very cruel to Absol. The lack of Nitro Charge is heartbreaking. Those nasty Pokemon creators merely slapped on a pointless ability, and gave the disaster Pokemon a mediocre 6 new moves. However, this doesn't mean Absol is entirely useless in this new metagame. With new tough ghosts like Desukaan and Shandera lurking at every corner, being a mono dark type with 130 base attack, the game's strongest priority move, and an enormous movepool ain't half bad. Not to mention that priority move gets STAB, plus an extra boost from the likes of Swords Dance and Claw Sharpen.</p>

    [SET]
    Name: Swords Dance
    Move 1: Night Slash / Pursuit
    Move 2: Sucker Punch
    Move 3: Swords Dance
    Move 4: Superpower / Psycho Cut
    Ability: Super Luck
    Nature: Adamant / Jolly
    Item: Life Orb / Lum Berry
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]
    <p>Absol's amazing base 130 Attack stat, coupled with Swords Dance and the strongest priority move in the game, still makes it a devastating sweeper against those who aren't prepared. Sucker Punch helps mitigate its mediocre Speed. With it, Absol becomes a challenge to take down as Sucker Punch can severely dent or even OHKO would-be revenge killers. Superpower is a great move to pair with Sucker Punch, as it damages Steel- and Dark-type Pokémon, such as Natterei and Kirikizan, who take little damage from Absol's STAB Dark-type attacks. Night Slash allows Absol to eliminate Pokémon who try to outsmart you by refusing to attack while Absol tries to Sucker Punch, and works extremely well with Absol's Super Luck ability. Pursuit is an option for revenging Shandera, and is usually unexpected by the likes of Espeon, Alakazam, and Rankurusu.</p>

    <p>In the 5th generation, Superpower is now the main choice over the previously used Psycho Cut. There are just too many new, powerful Dark/Steel types running around. Psycho Cut could be used to take out slower fighting types who don't pack Mach Punch (which almost never happens) but it's really not worth it.</p>

    [OPTIONAL CHANGES]
    Lum Berry can be used over Life Orb to absorb the game-crippling burn. Adamant nature is recommended over Jolly because Absol is too slow anyway, plus the extra power is too nice to let up. Absol's best move is priority anway.</p>

    [SET]
    Name: Choice
    Move 1: Night Slash
    Move 2: Superpower
    Move 3: Psycho Cut / Sucker Punch
    Move 4: Pursuit
    Nature: Adamant / Jolly
    Ability: Super Luck
    Item: Choice Scarf / Choice Band
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]
    <p>Choice Scarf makes up for Absol's mediocre Speed, boosting it to a reasonable 373 with an Adamant nature. Due to this great increase in Speed, Sucker Punch becomes a lesser option; Night Slash is a far better choice to hit almost as hard without worrying about opponents potentially using non-damaging moves. Superpower will intimidate those who resist Absol's Dark-type STAB attacks, such as Nattorei and Kirizikan (who otherwise walls Absol) while Psycho Cut eliminates Fighting-type Pokémon who also enjoy switching in on Absol's STAB attacks. Pursuit is Absol's best choice for the last slot, as it allows Absol to take out retreating Ghost- and Psychic-types.</p>


    <p>Even with the boosted speed, standard EVs maxed out in speed an attack are imperative for Absol to have maximum potential. This Absol is much faster than the Swords Dancer, and hence less prone to revenge-killing, but unfortunately it is also a lot less powerful, making it much more susceptible to being walled by defensive threats. If a foe is runs a Nattorei-Burungeru core, and outpredicts Absol, than he's usually pretty useless. One of Choice Scarf Absol's main attractions is its fast STAB Pursuit, which allows it to checkmate slower, frail sweepers such as Alakazam and even Shandera, who fails to OHKO Absol with Shadow Ball/-2 Overheat. You can also use it to get rid of a weakened Blissey permanently should it attempt to flee. It is worth mentioning that Choice Scarf Absol can have some merit in the lead position, acting as an anti-lead that also has a strong presence later on in the game. With its strong STAB Night Slash, it can OHKO Azelf and counter-trap lead Shandera.</p>

    <p>Choice Band allows Absol to forgo Swords Dance and hit hard right off the bat. Absol is capable of reaching a whopping 591 Attack, making it a fierce competitor. Absol should generally always run Sucker Punch as it helps support its mediocre Speed and is Absol's strongest option to deal huge amounts of damage. However, it is well worth noting that locking yourself into Sucker Punch can be a very dangerous move if the opponent out-predicts and decides not to attack. Superpower is a great secondary option as it allows Absol to deal super effective damage to Dark- and Steel-type Pokémon who resist Absol's STAB moves. Like on the Choice Scarf set, Pursuit is an excellent option to rid your team of Ghosts and special walls. In this case, it is stronger against Blissey, and therefore carries less risk in case of a misprediction. However, it cannot be used to checkmate Burungeru and Gengar the way it can with the Choice Scarf set, though it is still quite effective against them. Night Slash is a reliable attack and serves as Absol's "safe" option on this set, since all three other moves have undesirable side-effects.</p>

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    [Team Options]
    <p>Absol absolutely loves assistance from entry hazards, easily making 2HKOs into OHKOs. Cloyster or Skarmory are both good candidates for Spikes support, and Claydol is a nice choice for setting up Stealth Rock, since it resists Absol's Fighting-type weakness and can threaten Fighting-types with Psychic. It can also Rapid Spin, which is very helpful due to the amount of hazards are used in the 5th generation plus the residual damage from Sandstorm. If a spin blocker is needed, Burungeru makes an excellent choice. It's immune to fighting and is able to fire off Will-O-Wisps at Pokemon who would normally OHKO frail Absol.</p>

    Offensively, Shandara makes a near perfect teammate to Absol. Packing Psychic, Shandera can switch in to the incoming fighting move, trap, and KO that Pokemon, and most of Absol's counters. Will-O-Wisp absorbers like Houndoom and Heatran also make good teammates, usually resulting in a free hard hitting fire attack, or a free substitute.</p>

    [Optional Changes]
    <p>Claw Sharpen can be used instead of Swords Dance, however there are literally no reasons to do so. All of Absol's main set moves have 100% accuracy. The only move that could possibly benefit is Stone Edge. Razor Claw is a viable item, though getting critical hits isn't exactly a good idea of attempting to sweep. Still, Night Slash + Razor Claw + Super Luck can result in a lot of critical hits if one relies on luck to win a game, which is certainly frowned upon. </p>

    [Counters]
    <p>Absol is usually difficult to counter due to its immense strength and coverage, but there are several Pokemon in the game completely wall/obliterate it. Intimidate Hitmontop makes a nice counter, being able to eat Sucker Punches all day, and hit back hard, and usually fatally, with a Mach Punch or Close Combat. Roopushin also makes an excellent counter, especially after a Bulk Up. Blaziken also makes a formidable opponent as well, if it can come in on a choiced set (even though it resists, a +2 Sucker Punch still OHKOs after Stealth Rocks damage).</p>

    [Dream World]
    <p>Dream World was mean to poor Absol. Absol received an ability called Righteous Heart, which boosts Absol's attack +1 when hit with a Dark type move. Even though Absol resists the attack, it will NOT take it well. Absol is simply too frail to take advantage of its Dream World ability, therefore the choice should always remain Super Luck.</p>
  2. MixedCalibur

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    Finished, please give feedback especially for the "optional changes" note.
  3. Don Honchkrorleone

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    Did Absol lose Swords Dance in this generation? If not, Swords Dance is better in any way(I know you mentioned, but the only merit Claw Sharpen has over Swords Dance is the boost on the accuracy of Stone Edge). You could also slash Pursuit in this set to trap fleeing Ghosts and Psychics such as Burungeru, Goruugo, Alakazam and Rankurusu.

    Oh, and a Choice Band or Scarf set is also good.
  4. MixedCalibur

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    I'm not going to bother copying and pasting Absol's D/P analysis in here. I'll slash Pursuit for Shandera though.
  5. supermarth64

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    You still have to write a Swords Dance set for the 5th generation metagame because it's completely different than the 4th gen metagame. You can't just say "see the 4th gen analysis" because that's centered around the UU metagame and doesn't mention all of the new mons/4th gen OU mons/4th gen non-banned Ubers.

    Additionally, there is little reason at all to use Claw Sharpen like Don Honch said except for Stone Edge.
  6. MixedCalibur

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    So be it.

    EDIT: Done, check it out.
  7. PooF

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    Does Claw Sharpen set really deserve an analysis? Imo it's pretty much totally outclassed by Swords Dance. I guess it would be better to just mention Claw Sharpen in other options.
  8. MixedCalibur

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    It's 5th Gen's way of trolling Absol so we're gonna troll right back with a full set.
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    You can mention Razor Claw as a viable item, though getting critical hits isn't exactly a good idea of attempting to sweep. Still, Night Slash+Razor Claw+Super Luck can result in a lot of crits.
  10. Ahhhhhh......Clefable.

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    In the 4th generation, I had a lot of success using Me First with Absol. Baton Pass him a speed boost (usually an Agility from Scizor or Gliscor) and then sweep, throwing back the likes of Close Combat to Lucario, Rock Slide to Aerodactyl, and numerous Outrages. I realize that this is a very situational strategy, and honestly, I'm not sure how useful it will be in the 5th gen. However, you asked for help in "Other Options," so I thought I would at least mention it! If you think it's a good idea, and want my moveset, I can post it.
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    I don't think anybody actually understands why it is that Absol sucks. The main reason that it's terrible in most metagames is due not only to its frailty or its slowness, but due to the low BP of all of its moves. For god's sake its highest power moves level out at base 120 - Superpower and Sucker Punch tie in power. Then, if you consider Night Slash to be its most reliable move, Superpower is its most powerful move, which is just sad.

    Basically the main problem with absol is that its amazing attack is offset by its terrible moves.

    Oh and the claw sharpen set should be removed; claw sharpen is a godawful move no matter how you look at it (ok except on Aianto and other random things) and Absol doesn't have enough to abuse it with.
  12. Ahhhhhh......Clefable.

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    I completely agree. Absol's moves are accurate with the exception of Stone Edge (which isn't even a main option) so the accuracy boost from Claw Sharpen is not really needed. Absol is so frail that if it gets a chance to boost, it should be spent Swords Dancing for the extra power. Claw Sharpen has its uses on other Pokemon, but certainly not Absol.
  13. MixedCalibur

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    • Removed the useless Claw Sharpen set
    • Added to the optional changes
    Check it out.
  14. Ahhhhhh......Clefable.

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    I still think that Me First deserves a mention. Here is the set that I use:

    [SET]
    Name: Baton Pass Recipient
    Move 1: Substitute
    Move 2: Night Slash
    Move 3: Psycho Cut
    Move 4: Me First
    Nature: Jolly
    Ability: Super Luck
    Item: Leftovers
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

    I Baton Pass Absol an Agility boost (I use Scizor personally, but any speed booster could work) and start sweeping. I drop Superpower for Me First because most of the time you'll be using it to shoot back Close Combats or Earthquakes anyways. It may also seem absurd to run Substitute and Leftovers on Absol, but it acts as a useful buffer against the powerful moves and status inflictions aimed for the frail little puppy, and Absol can actually get it up with the speed boost that has been passed to it. I know that it takes a lot of prediction, heavy team support, and a little bit of luck, but Absol works surprisingly well for my team.

    I still don't know how useful this would be in the 5th generation, because I've yet to try it. It was a huge success for me in the 4th gen, though, and because Absol itself hasn't changed much, I assume it will still be possible to use in the new gen.
  15. MixedCalibur

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    A Baton Pass recepient isn't actually a real set. If you can't Baton Pass successfully, the whole set is useless.
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    I was just explaining the set that I use, and trying to prove the validity that Me First can have in the right hands as another option.
  17. smashlloyd20

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    A PerishTrap set seems sort of viable on this thing, especially with Zen Headbutt flinching.
  18. Don Honchkrorleone

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    In OC, of course. He's too frail to pull it of. Stick with Jynx or Mismagius, or even Gengar.

    Also, should be mentioned in the OC that Absol has a good special movepool, but can't use because of his low SpA. Just my $0,02
  19. chocolate-kipp

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    Octillery has a Baton Pass recipient analysis on-site, so I don't see why not.
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    Octillery has a Receiver set because it is meant to be at the end of a Baton Pass chain, and even then it's entirely because it has Suction Cups. An entire set to receive an meager Agility boost is not worth a spot on site, as there are many pokemon that can benefit from this (most of them better than Absol too) and then every pokemon would have a receiving set. Me First is also unreliable and gimmicky at best.
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